OT: Twinkle cli

OT: Twinkle cli

[Igor Gueths]

Hi all. I've lately started poking around Twinkle, and it almost seems that it
is possible to have the whole thing link against NCurses, instead of QT as is
the regular build procedure. Am I chasing shadows here, or is this indeed
possible? Twinkle looks much better than Linphone in my opinion, not to mention
that it supports ZRTP. Thanks.
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New System with Fedora

[Liz Hare]

Hello,

I'm about to buy a  new workstation, primarily for statistical analysis, 
and install Fedora on it.

Is it possible for me to install Fedora without help, if I get the 
machine with nothing on it? What is the easiest way to set it up? (The 
recommended Telnet method won't work if there isn't anything on there 
already, and I doubt I can get a new machine with a serial port).

Thanks,
Liz

Re: Twinkle cli

[Kitty Litter]

If you use the -c option it doesn't care about QT so I would think it would 
be possible to put some #ifdef stuff in there so it would compile without 
that. I was goind to build it from source but really didn't want to put in 
all the QT stuff. I wanted to add a single key for mute/unmute and also if 
your command starts with a digit, pound or star it would assume a touchtone 
command. Let us know when you finished with that! 

Re: Twinkle cli

[Igor Gueths]

Hi. I actually ended up dumping QT in /opt/qt, since imo adding ifdefs and
playing around with the configure script was a bit more work than it was worth,
when I could just as quickly if not more so simply install QT in an isolated
location. Currently trying to get Twinkle through its configure script, and from
then on it should be fairly easy to get it going.
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 06:13:19PM -0500, Kitty Litter wrote:
> If you use the -c option it doesn't care about QT so I would think
> it would be possible to put some #ifdef stuff in there so it would
> compile without that. I was goind to build it from source but really
> didn't want to put in all the QT stuff. I wanted to add a single key
> for mute/unmute and also if your command starts with a digit, pound
> or star it would assume a touchtone command. Let us know when you
> finished with that!
> 
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Re: Twinkle cli

[Igor Gueths]

Hi all. What's the best way to create a twinkle.cfg file without the profile
editor? I'm checking out the manual, and thus far I haven't found any mention of
the file's actual syntax, just the field names as presented in the GUI. Thanks.
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Re: Twinkle cli

[Kitty Litter]

Go to twinklephone.com and you should find a sample twinkle.cfg there. 
Twinkle has poor documentation. Make sure your NAT settings are correct if 
behind a router.

Re: Twinkle cli

[Igor Gueths]

Hi. Ok, I'll check again and see if I can find a sample file, I didn't see any
relevant links last time I looked though.
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 07:47:24PM -0500, Kitty Litter wrote:
> Go to twinklephone.com and you should find a sample twinkle.cfg
> there. Twinkle has poor documentation. Make sure your NAT settings
> are correct if behind a router.
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Re: OT: Twinkle cli

[Kirk Reiser]

Hi Igor: I would be surprised if anyone here on this list knows much
about how easy it would be to replace qt with ncurses but I'd say go
for it and try.

We have played quite a bit with both twinkle and linphone and they
both have advantages and drawbacks.  Yes twinkle supports zrtp but
linphone supports ipv6 which twinkle does not.  Twinkle has a much
nicer interface in console mode but linphone has better noise
cancellation and echo control.  Linphone is not as robust as twinkle
is however and likes to segfault whenever it gets a chance.

They can both be nice to use and iritating when they aren't working as
advertised unfortunately.  So if we could get one feature rich stable
sip client it would be nice.  If anyone knows of any other console
based sip clients we don't know about it would also be useful to hear
about them.

I would also like to invite folks interested in playing with sip and
freeswitch to join us at sip:3000@linux-speakup.org to play.  If we
can get things all working correctly the possibilities seem endless.
I am thinking of language channels for folks interested in learning
and speaking various languages and all sorts of special interest
discussion groups.  We have a fair way to go before we have it all
figured out but the more the merrier from a discussion perspective.
Hell, we might even be able to do a little tech support, who knows!

We are currently looking into getting chats working and a skype bridge
up.  There are probably good windows soft phone clients but I don't
know what they are.  I'd be interested in finding out how ekiga works
for blinks also.

   Kirk

On Tue, 25 Jan 2011, Igor Gueths wrote:

> Hi all. I've lately started poking around Twinkle, and it almost seems that it
> is possible to have the whole thing link against NCurses, instead of QT as is
> the regular build procedure. Am I chasing shadows here, or is this indeed
> possible? Twinkle looks much better than Linphone in my opinion, not to mention
> that it supports ZRTP. Thanks.
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Re: New System with Fedora

[Kirk Reiser]

I can't advise as to fedora but I just purchased a computer from Tiger
Direct before Xmas which is a hex core Phenton that came stock with
one serial port.  It is made by IBuyPower which is a gamers computer
but it was only $800.00 without a monitor so if you install using a
serial synth there's at least one stock system which still has rs-232
ports.

On Tue, 25 Jan 2011, Liz Hare wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I'm about to buy a  new workstation, primarily for statistical analysis, and 
> install Fedora on it.
>
> Is it possible for me to install Fedora without help, if I get the machine 
> with nothing on it? What is the easiest way to set it up? (The recommended 
> Telnet method won't work if there isn't anything on there already, and I 
> doubt I can get a new machine with a serial port).
>
> Thanks,
> Liz
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: New System with Fedora

[Richard Villa]

It is still possible to purchase a card that will provide a serial port for 
use.

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Subject: Re: New System with Fedora


>I can't advise as to fedora but I just purchased a computer from Tiger
> Direct before Xmas which is a hex core Phenton that came stock with
> one serial port.  It is made by IBuyPower which is a gamers computer
> but it was only $800.00 without a monitor so if you install using a
> serial synth there's at least one stock system which still has rs-232
> ports.
>
> On Tue, 25 Jan 2011, Liz Hare wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I'm about to buy a  new workstation, primarily for statistical analysis, 
>> and install Fedora on it.
>>
>> Is it possible for me to install Fedora without help, if I get the 
>> machine with nothing on it? What is the easiest way to set it up? (The 
>> recommended Telnet method won't work if there isn't anything on there 
>> already, and I doubt I can get a new machine with a serial port).
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Liz
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>
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Re: OT: Twinkle cli

[covici]

Kirk Reiser <kirk@braille.uwo.ca> wrote:
freeswitch makes a very nice sip client as well, uses portaudio.  When
are people at that sip uri?

> Hi Igor: I would be surprised if anyone here on this list knows much
> about how easy it would be to replace qt with ncurses but I'd say go
> for it and try.
> 
> We have played quite a bit with both twinkle and linphone and they
> both have advantages and drawbacks.  Yes twinkle supports zrtp but
> linphone supports ipv6 which twinkle does not.  Twinkle has a much
> nicer interface in console mode but linphone has better noise
> cancellation and echo control.  Linphone is not as robust as twinkle
> is however and likes to segfault whenever it gets a chance.
> 
> They can both be nice to use and iritating when they aren't working as
> advertised unfortunately.  So if we could get one feature rich stable
> sip client it would be nice.  If anyone knows of any other console
> based sip clients we don't know about it would also be useful to hear
> about them.
> 
> I would also like to invite folks interested in playing with sip and
> freeswitch to join us at sip:3000@linux-speakup.org to play.  If we
> can get things all working correctly the possibilities seem endless.
> I am thinking of language channels for folks interested in learning
> and speaking various languages and all sorts of special interest
> discussion groups.  We have a fair way to go before we have it all
> figured out but the more the merrier from a discussion perspective.
> Hell, we might even be able to do a little tech support, who knows!
> 
> We are currently looking into getting chats working and a skype bridge
> up.  There are probably good windows soft phone clients but I don't
> know what they are.  I'd be interested in finding out how ekiga works
> for blinks also.
> 
>   Kirk
> 
> On Tue, 25 Jan 2011, Igor Gueths wrote:
> 
> > Hi all. I've lately started poking around Twinkle, and it almost seems that it
> > is possible to have the whole thing link against NCurses, instead of QT as is
> > the regular build procedure. Am I chasing shadows here, or is this indeed
> > possible? Twinkle looks much better than Linphone in my opinion, not to mention
> > that it supports ZRTP. Thanks.
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Re: OT: Twinkle cli

[Kirk Reiser]

On Wed, 26 Jan 2011, covici@ccs.covici.com wrote:

> Kirk Reiser <kirk@braille.uwo.ca> wrote:
> freeswitch makes a very nice sip client as well, uses portaudio.  When
> are people at that sip uri?
>

Hi John: Until we have a large enough community it is pretty muchas
with speak freely in the mornings and early afternoon.  After we build
a larger community who knows...

Unless you've had better luck than I have playing with the freeswitch
portaudio interface it doesn't work very well with speakup.  I spent a
lot of time trying to get it working about six months ago with great
frustration, so I'd like to hear your experiences.

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Re: New System with Fedora

[Liz Hare]

Thanks, Kirk!

I'm ordering a custom computer from Puget Systems, and haven't asked 
them yet about the possibility of a serial port.

Is it possible to use a Dectalk USB instead of serial Dectalk? It seems 
like that might be faster and more responsive anyway.

Thanks for your help,
Liz

On 1/26/2011 6:59 AM, Kirk Reiser wrote:
> I can't advise as to fedora but I just purchased a computer from Tiger
> Direct before Xmas which is a hex core Phenton that came stock with
> one serial port. It is made by IBuyPower which is a gamers computer
> but it was only $800.00 without a monitor so if you install using a
> serial synth there's at least one stock system which still has rs-232
> ports.
>
> On Tue, 25 Jan 2011, Liz Hare wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I'm about to buy a new workstation, primarily for statistical
>> analysis, and install Fedora on it.
>>
>> Is it possible for me to install Fedora without help, if I get the
>> machine with nothing on it? What is the easiest way to set it up? (The
>> recommended Telnet method won't work if there isn't anything on there
>> already, and I doubt I can get a new machine with a serial port).
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Liz
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>
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> e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario
> phone: (519) 661-3061
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Re: New System with Fedora

[Roopakshi Pathania]

Hi Liz,

I'm curious: is there a specific reason for which you need to perform statistical analysis on Fedora?
If so, what software are you looking at?

In my experience, Debian is the best distro for scientific analysis.
R, an extremely popular statistics tool has latest builds for packages on Debian.
http://www.r-project.org/
There is also Gretl
http://gretl.sourceforge.net/



--- On Wed, 1/26/11, Liz Hare <doggene@earthlink.net> wrote:

> From: Liz Hare <doggene@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: New System with Fedora
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 8:38 PM
> Thanks, Kirk!
> 
> I'm ordering a custom computer from Puget Systems, and
> haven't asked 
> them yet about the possibility of a serial port.
> 
> Is it possible to use a Dectalk USB instead of serial
> Dectalk? It seems 
> like that might be faster and more responsive anyway.
> 
> Thanks for your help,
> Liz
> 
> On 1/26/2011 6:59 AM, Kirk Reiser wrote:
> > I can't advise as to fedora but I just purchased a
> computer from Tiger
> > Direct before Xmas which is a hex core Phenton that
> came stock with
> > one serial port. It is made by IBuyPower which is a
> gamers computer
> > but it was only $800.00 without a monitor so if you
> install using a
> > serial synth there's at least one stock system which
> still has rs-232
> > ports.
> >
> > On Tue, 25 Jan 2011, Liz Hare wrote:
> >
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> I'm about to buy a new workstation, primarily for
> statistical
> >> analysis, and install Fedora on it.
> >>
> >> Is it possible for me to install Fedora without
> help, if I get the
> >> machine with nothing on it? What is the easiest
> way to set it up? (The
> >> recommended Telnet method won't work if there
> isn't anything on there
> >> already, and I doubt I can get a new machine with
> a serial port).
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Liz
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >>
> >
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> > e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca
> University of Western Ontario
> > phone: (519) 661-3061
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> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> 
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> Dog Genetics LLC
> (210) 616 0422
> doggene@earthlink.net
> http://www.doggenetics.com
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Re: OT: Twinkle cli

[Igor Gueths]

Hi Kirk. Actually, it seems the Ncurses bits have already been done for us; the
only problem that remains however, is the fact that Twinkle itself seems unable
to build without at least a partial install of QT somewhere. Ideally I think
what we'd want to do is have some sort of flag in the configure script
(--enable-console-only for example), that would simply build the console
interface, and nothing else UI-wise. I also didn't notice any direct calls to
Ncurses or Readline for that matter while poking around the source tree
yesterday, so some reading through the files in src/gui is probably in order.
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 07:52:50AM -0500, Kirk Reiser wrote:
> Hi Igor: I would be surprised if anyone here on this list knows much
> about how easy it would be to replace qt with ncurses but I'd say go
> for it and try.
> 
> We have played quite a bit with both twinkle and linphone and they
> both have advantages and drawbacks.  Yes twinkle supports zrtp but
> linphone supports ipv6 which twinkle does not.  Twinkle has a much
> nicer interface in console mode but linphone has better noise
> cancellation and echo control.  Linphone is not as robust as twinkle
> is however and likes to segfault whenever it gets a chance.
> 
> They can both be nice to use and iritating when they aren't working as
> advertised unfortunately.  So if we could get one feature rich stable
> sip client it would be nice.  If anyone knows of any other console
> based sip clients we don't know about it would also be useful to hear
> about them.
> 
> I would also like to invite folks interested in playing with sip and
> freeswitch to join us at sip:3000@linux-speakup.org to play.  If we
> can get things all working correctly the possibilities seem endless.
> I am thinking of language channels for folks interested in learning
> and speaking various languages and all sorts of special interest
> discussion groups.  We have a fair way to go before we have it all
> figured out but the more the merrier from a discussion perspective.
> Hell, we might even be able to do a little tech support, who knows!
> 
> We are currently looking into getting chats working and a skype bridge
> up.  There are probably good windows soft phone clients but I don't
> know what they are.  I'd be interested in finding out how ekiga works
> for blinks also.
> 
>   Kirk
> 
> On Tue, 25 Jan 2011, Igor Gueths wrote:
> 
> >Hi all. I've lately started poking around Twinkle, and it almost seems that it
> >is possible to have the whole thing link against NCurses, instead of QT as is
> >the regular build procedure. Am I chasing shadows here, or is this indeed
> >possible? Twinkle looks much better than Linphone in my opinion, not to mention
> >that it supports ZRTP. Thanks.
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Re: New System with Fedora

[Frost]

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 07:17:38AM -0600, Richard Villa wrote:
> It is still possible to purchase a card that will provide a serial
> port for use.

	Yeah, Axxon Computer Corp in Ontario sells all kinds of 
serial/parallel port cards for just about any kind of motherboard slot 
you can have.  They're a little pricy though, but well worth the money 
in quality.  Their number is 800-361-1913.  I have one of their 
Serial+Parallel cards, because my SuperMicro mobo didn't have a stewpid 
printer port, and I love it.  No drivers needed.  No conflicts with 
existing serial or printer ports.  And best of all, no trying to use 
inaccessible software to set the thing up.  Just plug it in and go.

				Michael

Re: OT: Twinkle cli

[Alonzo Cuellar]

Hello,

Email the creator and he will send you a twinkle.cfg file. I had a sample laying around, but i can't seem to find it. I'll look in another drive of mine and see if i can't find it. Good luck.

Alonzo

On Jan 26, 2011, at 11:40 AM, Igor Gueths wrote:

> Hi Kirk. Actually, it seems the Ncurses bits have already been done for us; the
> only problem that remains however, is the fact that Twinkle itself seems unable
> to build without at least a partial install of QT somewhere. Ideally I think
> what we'd want to do is have some sort of flag in the configure script
> (--enable-console-only for example), that would simply build the console
> interface, and nothing else UI-wise. I also didn't notice any direct calls to
> Ncurses or Readline for that matter while poking around the source tree
> yesterday, so some reading through the files in src/gui is probably in order.
> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 07:52:50AM -0500, Kirk Reiser wrote:
>> Hi Igor: I would be surprised if anyone here on this list knows much
>> about how easy it would be to replace qt with ncurses but I'd say go
>> for it and try.
>> 
>> We have played quite a bit with both twinkle and linphone and they
>> both have advantages and drawbacks.  Yes twinkle supports zrtp but
>> linphone supports ipv6 which twinkle does not.  Twinkle has a much
>> nicer interface in console mode but linphone has better noise
>> cancellation and echo control.  Linphone is not as robust as twinkle
>> is however and likes to segfault whenever it gets a chance.
>> 
>> They can both be nice to use and iritating when they aren't working as
>> advertised unfortunately.  So if we could get one feature rich stable
>> sip client it would be nice.  If anyone knows of any other console
>> based sip clients we don't know about it would also be useful to hear
>> about them.
>> 
>> I would also like to invite folks interested in playing with sip and
>> freeswitch to join us at sip:3000@linux-speakup.org to play.  If we
>> can get things all working correctly the possibilities seem endless.
>> I am thinking of language channels for folks interested in learning
>> and speaking various languages and all sorts of special interest
>> discussion groups.  We have a fair way to go before we have it all
>> figured out but the more the merrier from a discussion perspective.
>> Hell, we might even be able to do a little tech support, who knows!
>> 
>> We are currently looking into getting chats working and a skype bridge
>> up.  There are probably good windows soft phone clients but I don't
>> know what they are.  I'd be interested in finding out how ekiga works
>> for blinks also.
>> 
>>  Kirk
>> 
>> On Tue, 25 Jan 2011, Igor Gueths wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all. I've lately started poking around Twinkle, and it almost seems that it
>>> is possible to have the whole thing link against NCurses, instead of QT as is
>>> the regular build procedure. Am I chasing shadows here, or is this indeed
>>> possible? Twinkle looks much better than Linphone in my opinion, not to mention
>>> that it supports ZRTP. Thanks.
>>> --
>>> Igor
>>> 
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>> 
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>> e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
>> phone: (519) 661-3061
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Re: OT: Twinkle cli

[Igor Gueths]

Hi Alonzo and all. I could have tried that, but didn't due to the fact that I
sort of presumed that Twinkle was no longer in active development, the last
release having been in February of 2009. FYI though, Linphone seems to still be
in active development, and as for the ZRTP issue, it seems that tacking Zfone on
can solve that problem fairly nicely indeed. A couple of problems I did have
with Twinkle that I couldn't seem to pin down, were that I couldn't find a way
to set my local IP different from 255.255.255.255. I eventually seemed to have
no choice but to recompile the binary after redefining AUTO_IP4_ADDRESS in sys.h
I think it was, which for me would not be an optimal solution at all. The other
problem I had was that while testing SIP and RTP connectivity between my laptop
and an Asterisk I have running on the same LAN, Twinkle would for some reason
send packets back to itself according to the log file. The only way I could seem
to preclude this behavior, was to set nat_public_ip, which for testing within
the local network, makes no sense because the client then adds the SIP via:
header to all outgoing requests. If anyone has found a way around the above two
issues, I'd be most definitely interested to hear it, else I'm afraid I'll be
sticking with Linphone for the time being.
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 06:57:26AM -0600, Alonzo Cuellar wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Email the creator and he will send you a twinkle.cfg file. I had a sample laying around, but i can't seem to find it. I'll look in another drive of mine and see if i can't find it. Good luck.
> 
> Alonzo
> 
> On Jan 26, 2011, at 11:40 AM, Igor Gueths wrote:
> 
> > Hi Kirk. Actually, it seems the Ncurses bits have already been done for us; the
> > only problem that remains however, is the fact that Twinkle itself seems unable
> > to build without at least a partial install of QT somewhere. Ideally I think
> > what we'd want to do is have some sort of flag in the configure script
> > (--enable-console-only for example), that would simply build the console
> > interface, and nothing else UI-wise. I also didn't notice any direct calls to
> > Ncurses or Readline for that matter while poking around the source tree
> > yesterday, so some reading through the files in src/gui is probably in order.
> > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 07:52:50AM -0500, Kirk Reiser wrote:
> >> Hi Igor: I would be surprised if anyone here on this list knows much
> >> about how easy it would be to replace qt with ncurses but I'd say go
> >> for it and try.
> >> 
> >> We have played quite a bit with both twinkle and linphone and they
> >> both have advantages and drawbacks.  Yes twinkle supports zrtp but
> >> linphone supports ipv6 which twinkle does not.  Twinkle has a much
> >> nicer interface in console mode but linphone has better noise
> >> cancellation and echo control.  Linphone is not as robust as twinkle
> >> is however and likes to segfault whenever it gets a chance.
> >> 
> >> They can both be nice to use and iritating when they aren't working as
> >> advertised unfortunately.  So if we could get one feature rich stable
> >> sip client it would be nice.  If anyone knows of any other console
> >> based sip clients we don't know about it would also be useful to hear
> >> about them.
> >> 
> >> I would also like to invite folks interested in playing with sip and
> >> freeswitch to join us at sip:3000@linux-speakup.org to play.  If we
> >> can get things all working correctly the possibilities seem endless.
> >> I am thinking of language channels for folks interested in learning
> >> and speaking various languages and all sorts of special interest
> >> discussion groups.  We have a fair way to go before we have it all
> >> figured out but the more the merrier from a discussion perspective.
> >> Hell, we might even be able to do a little tech support, who knows!
> >> 
> >> We are currently looking into getting chats working and a skype bridge
> >> up.  There are probably good windows soft phone clients but I don't
> >> know what they are.  I'd be interested in finding out how ekiga works
> >> for blinks also.
> >> 
> >>  Kirk
> >> 
> >> On Tue, 25 Jan 2011, Igor Gueths wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Hi all. I've lately started poking around Twinkle, and it almost seems that it
> >>> is possible to have the whole thing link against NCurses, instead of QT as is
> >>> the regular build procedure. Am I chasing shadows here, or is this indeed
> >>> possible? Twinkle looks much better than Linphone in my opinion, not to mention
> >>> that it supports ZRTP. Thanks.
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Re: OT: Twinkle cli

[Kitty Litter]

I am trying to learn more about the sip protocol and started using tcpdump. 
Could you tell me what options you use? It isn't alwalys clear to me the 
source and destination of the packets, I use -A and -t and -c count.

Re: OT: Twinkle cli

[Igor Gueths]

Well, in SIP, the thing you really have to worry about most is the IP
information that is contained within the packet's payload itself, since that is
really the deciding factor in call negotiation. Basically what would happen in
these nstances is that in Twinkle's twinkle.log file, I'd see packets going from
my laptop (192.168.1.44), back to 192.168.1.44 even though my Asterisk I was
trying to reach is at 192.168.1.43. For this reason, even though at the Twinkle
CLI I'd type call sip:300@192.168.1.43 (a test extension I have here), I just
get put back at a "twinkle>" prompt with no discernible activity occurring at
the console.
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 01:33:27PM -0500, Kitty Litter wrote:
> I am trying to learn more about the sip protocol and started using
> tcpdump. Could you tell me what options you use? It isn't alwalys
> clear to me the source and destination of the packets, I use -A and
> -t and -c count.
> 
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Re: OT: Twinkle cli

[Derek Roberts]

Hi,

I'm trying to call 3000@linux-speakup.org with sflphone, but it says
502 - Bad Gateway and gives a busy signal. What's up?

Thanks.

On 1/28/11, Igor Gueths <igueths@lava-net.com> wrote:
> Well, in SIP, the thing you really have to worry about most is the IP
> information that is contained within the packet's payload itself, since that
> is
> really the deciding factor in call negotiation. Basically what would happen
> in
> these nstances is that in Twinkle's twinkle.log file, I'd see packets going
> from
> my laptop (192.168.1.44), back to 192.168.1.44 even though my Asterisk I was
> trying to reach is at 192.168.1.43. For this reason, even though at the
> Twinkle
> CLI I'd type call sip:300@192.168.1.43 (a test extension I have here), I
> just
> get put back at a "twinkle>" prompt with no discernible activity occurring
> at
> the console.
> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 01:33:27PM -0500, Kitty Litter wrote:
>> I am trying to learn more about the sip protocol and started using
>> tcpdump. Could you tell me what options you use? It isn't alwalys
>> clear to me the source and destination of the packets, I use -A and
>> -t and -c count.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>> --
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>> believed to be clean.
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>
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Re: New System with Fedora

[Liz Hare]

Roopakshi wrote:

> I'm curious: is there a specific reason for which you need to perform statistical analysis on Fedora?
> If so, what software are you looking at?

That's a good question, and one that is causing me to think. I've been 
using Fedora since it was Red Hat, both on personal machines and lab 
ones, so it's familiar and I haven't re-evaluated the decision in a long 
time.

I do use R, but spend most of my time using software specific to 
statistical genetics that will not be part of any Linux distribution.

Liz

Re: OT: Twinkle cli

[Kirk Reiser]

Hello Derek: I am not familiar with sflphone but I have two questions
which may sound pretty silly so please be tolerant: is the port the
package is using set to 5060?  Do you have to specify a protocol
string with that client such as sip:3000@linux-speakup.org?  What you
did should have worked so I'm a tad confused.  If you've already
checked those angles possibly give us some more info about your
client.

On Fri, 28 Jan 2011, Derek Roberts wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm trying to call 3000@linux-speakup.org with sflphone, but it says
> 502 - Bad Gateway and gives a busy signal. What's up?
>
> Thanks.
>
> On 1/28/11, Igor Gueths <igueths@lava-net.com> wrote:
>> Well, in SIP, the thing you really have to worry about most is the IP
>> information that is contained within the packet's payload itself, since that
>> is
>> really the deciding factor in call negotiation. Basically what would happen
>> in
>> these nstances is that in Twinkle's twinkle.log file, I'd see packets going
>> from
>> my laptop (192.168.1.44), back to 192.168.1.44 even though my Asterisk I was
>> trying to reach is at 192.168.1.43. For this reason, even though at the
>> Twinkle
>> CLI I'd type call sip:300@192.168.1.43 (a test extension I have here), I
>> just
>> get put back at a "twinkle>" prompt with no discernible activity occurring
>> at
>> the console.
>> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 01:33:27PM -0500, Kitty Litter wrote:
>>> I am trying to learn more about the sip protocol and started using
>>> tcpdump. Could you tell me what options you use? It isn't alwalys
>>> clear to me the source and destination of the packets, I use -A and
>>> -t and -c count.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>
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>>> believed to be clean.
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Re: OT: Twinkle cli

[Igor Gueths]

Hello Derek and all. Most likely that 502 error is due to a proxy issue, in that
it is timing requests out for some reason, hence the busy signal.
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/SIP_Responses for a nice
reference of SIP protocol responses. Hope this helps.
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 06:56:16AM -0500, Kirk Reiser wrote:
> Hello Derek: I am not familiar with sflphone but I have two questions
> which may sound pretty silly so please be tolerant: is the port the
> package is using set to 5060?  Do you have to specify a protocol
> string with that client such as sip:3000@linux-speakup.org?  What you
> did should have worked so I'm a tad confused.  If you've already
> checked those angles possibly give us some more info about your
> client.
> 
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2011, Derek Roberts wrote:
> 
> >Hi,
> >
> >I'm trying to call 3000@linux-speakup.org with sflphone, but it says
> >502 - Bad Gateway and gives a busy signal. What's up?
> >
> >Thanks.
> >
> >On 1/28/11, Igor Gueths <igueths@lava-net.com> wrote:
> >>Well, in SIP, the thing you really have to worry about most is the IP
> >>information that is contained within the packet's payload itself, since that
> >>is
> >>really the deciding factor in call negotiation. Basically what would happen
> >>in
> >>these nstances is that in Twinkle's twinkle.log file, I'd see packets going
> >>from
> >>my laptop (192.168.1.44), back to 192.168.1.44 even though my Asterisk I was
> >>trying to reach is at 192.168.1.43. For this reason, even though at the
> >>Twinkle
> >>CLI I'd type call sip:300@192.168.1.43 (a test extension I have here), I
> >>just
> >>get put back at a "twinkle>" prompt with no discernible activity occurring
> >>at
> >>the console.
> >>On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 01:33:27PM -0500, Kitty Litter wrote:
> >>>I am trying to learn more about the sip protocol and started using
> >>>tcpdump. Could you tell me what options you use? It isn't alwalys
> >>>clear to me the source and destination of the packets, I use -A and
> >>>-t and -c count.
> >>>
> >>>_______________________________________________
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> >>>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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> >>
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> e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
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Re: OT: Twinkle cli

[Derek Roberts]

Hi,

A bit weird. I tried the same thing in linphonec and it worked, after
I set a stun server. So, I tried setting one up in sflphone, but it
still gives me that error. I prefer sflphone to linphonec though, and
linphonec crashes whenever anything interesting happens.
Sflphone is a free, gpl sip and iax2 compatible softphone. It uses a
client/server model (the core handles calls, audio, settings and other
stuff) while the clients connect to the core and give it commands.
There's supposed to be a console interface for it, but I have yet to
find one.
I was also able to do this from an asterisk prompt
dialplan add extension 100,1,Dial,SIP/linux-speakup.org/3000 into default
console dial 100
That works, but I can't do anything else while asterisk is using my
sound card. Grrrr.
Interestingly, this is the only time I've had this problem. I've been
able to talk to other people just fine, even without setting a stun
server. I'm breakingbigd@ekiga.net if anyone wants to sip me, not
online right now though.

Thanks,
KJ4UFX/AG
{.i doi .tcikoritys. mi cuxna ba'e do}


On 1/29/11, Igor Gueths <igueths@lava-net.com> wrote:
> Hello Derek and all. Most likely that 502 error is due to a proxy issue, in
> that
> it is timing requests out for some reason, hence the busy signal.
> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/SIP_Responses for a nice
> reference of SIP protocol responses. Hope this helps.
> On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 06:56:16AM -0500, Kirk Reiser wrote:
>> Hello Derek: I am not familiar with sflphone but I have two questions
>> which may sound pretty silly so please be tolerant: is the port the
>> package is using set to 5060?  Do you have to specify a protocol
>> string with that client such as sip:3000@linux-speakup.org?  What you
>> did should have worked so I'm a tad confused.  If you've already
>> checked those angles possibly give us some more info about your
>> client.
>>
>> On Fri, 28 Jan 2011, Derek Roberts wrote:
>>
>> >Hi,
>> >
>> >I'm trying to call 3000@linux-speakup.org with sflphone, but it says
>> >502 - Bad Gateway and gives a busy signal. What's up?
>> >
>> >Thanks.
>> >
>> >On 1/28/11, Igor Gueths <igueths@lava-net.com> wrote:
>> >>Well, in SIP, the thing you really have to worry about most is the IP
>> >>information that is contained within the packet's payload itself, since
>> >> that
>> >>is
>> >>really the deciding factor in call negotiation. Basically what would
>> >> happen
>> >>in
>> >>these nstances is that in Twinkle's twinkle.log file, I'd see packets
>> >> going
>> >>from
>> >>my laptop (192.168.1.44), back to 192.168.1.44 even though my Asterisk I
>> >> was
>> >>trying to reach is at 192.168.1.43. For this reason, even though at the
>> >>Twinkle
>> >>CLI I'd type call sip:300@192.168.1.43 (a test extension I have here), I
>> >>just
>> >>get put back at a "twinkle>" prompt with no discernible activity
>> >> occurring
>> >>at
>> >>the console.
>> >>On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 01:33:27PM -0500, Kitty Litter wrote:
>> >>>I am trying to learn more about the sip protocol and started using
>> >>>tcpdump. Could you tell me what options you use? It isn't alwalys
>> >>>clear to me the source and destination of the packets, I use -A and
>> >>>-t and -c count.
>> >>>
>> >>>_______________________________________________
>> >>>Speakup mailing list
>> >>>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >>>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >>>
>> >>>--
>> >>>This message has been scanned for viruses and
>> >>>dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
>> >>>believed to be clean.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>--
>> >>Igor
>> >>
>> >>--
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>> >>dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
>> >>believed to be clean.
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>> e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
>> phone: (519) 661-3061
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