Debian Install ALSA/Intel Issue

Debian Install ALSA/Intel Issue

[Liz Hare]

Hi, all,

I am installing Samuel Thibault's Debian with espeakup.

I am having a problem because I have an Intel onboard sound card, which 
is not well-supported by ALSA. I've spent a few hours googling this and 
have found various solutions for systems that are already set up, but 
they don't apply to installing a system.

Has anyone found a way to work around the lack of speech caused by this 
problem? I've tried turning up the volume and unmuting the sound.

Thanks,
Liz

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Dog Genetics LLC
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Re: Debian Install ALSA/Intel Issue

[Chuck Hallenbeck]

Hi Liz,

On Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 04:56:14PM -0600, Liz Hare wrote:
> 
> Hi, all,
> 
> Has anyone found a way to work around the lack of speech caused by
> this problem? I've tried turning up the volume and unmuting the
> sound.
> 
> Thanks,
> Liz

The HDA-Intel motherboard audio has a set of controls that differ a
little from the usual ones. Normally it is sufficient to unmute Master
and PCM, raising their volume to reasonable levels. On the HDA-Intel
device, there is also something called Front that also has to be
unmuted and its volume set. You didn't say how you unmuted the audio
interface, but if you didn't do all three items, Master, PCM, and
Front, you won't get sound. The best mixer utility to use is one that a
lot of people hate, it is amixer

I had that problem a while ago on this system, an Intel 945 
motherboard with the HDA-Intel audio interface, and that solved it for
me here.

Chuck


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Re: Debian Install ALSA/Intel Issue

[Samuel Thibault]

Chuck Hallenbeck, le Mon 07 Mar 2011 18:35:21 -0500, a écrit :
> On the HDA-Intel device, there is also something called Front that
> also has to be unmuted and its volume set.

So it's called exactly "Front"? The script on my image should already
unmute it and set its volume (probably still worth checking out).

Samuel

Re: Debian Install ALSA/Intel Issue

[Chuck Hallenbeck]

Hi Samuel,

On Tue, Mar 08, 2011 at 12:39:17AM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> 
> So it's called exactly "Front"? The script on my image should already
> unmute it and set its volume (probably still worth checking out).
> 
> Samuel
[hallenbeck@rx ~]$ amixer sget Front
Simple mixer control 'Front',0
  Capabilities: pvolume pswitch penum
  Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Limits: Playback 0 - 64
  Mono:
  Front Left: Playback 58 [91%] [-4.50dB] [on]
  Front Right: Playback 58 [91%] [-4.50dB] [on]

The control name works fine when one omits the single quotes and the
trailing comma zero. The F is capitalized.

Chuck



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Re: Debian Install ALSA/Intel Issue

[Samuel Thibault]

Chuck Hallenbeck, le Mon 07 Mar 2011 18:44:44 -0500, a écrit :
> On Tue, Mar 08, 2011 at 12:39:17AM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > 
> > So it's called exactly "Front"? The script on my image should already
> > unmute it and set its volume (probably still worth checking out).
> > 
> > Samuel
> [hallenbeck@rx ~]$ amixer sget Front
> Simple mixer control 'Front',0
>   Capabilities: pvolume pswitch penum
>   Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
>   Limits: Playback 0 - 64
>   Mono:
>   Front Left: Playback 58 [91%] [-4.50dB] [on]
>   Front Right: Playback 58 [91%] [-4.50dB] [on]
> 
> The control name works fine when one omits the single quotes and the
> trailing comma zero. The F is capitalized.

Ok, so it should already be unmuted by the script on the iso.

Samuel

RE: Debian Install ALSA/Intel Issue

[Øyvind Lode]

On my system I need to unmute 'Master Front'

$ amixer sset 'Master Front' 50% unmute &> /dev/null

I have not tried the Debian eSpeakup image but Arch unmutes the channel.

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Subject: Re: Debian Install ALSA/Intel Issue

Chuck Hallenbeck, le Mon 07 Mar 2011 18:44:44 -0500, a écrit :
> On Tue, Mar 08, 2011 at 12:39:17AM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> >
> > So it's called exactly "Front"? The script on my image should already
> > unmute it and set its volume (probably still worth checking out).
> >
> > Samuel
> [hallenbeck@rx ~]$ amixer sget Front
> Simple mixer control 'Front',0
>   Capabilities: pvolume pswitch penum
>   Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
>   Limits: Playback 0 - 64
>   Mono:
>   Front Left: Playback 58 [91%] [-4.50dB] [on]
>   Front Right: Playback 58 [91%] [-4.50dB] [on]
>
> The control name works fine when one omits the single quotes and the
> trailing comma zero. The F is capitalized.

Ok, so it should already be unmuted by the script on the iso.

Samuel
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Re: Debian Install ALSA/Intel Issue

[Samuel Thibault]

Øyvind Lode, le Tue 08 Mar 2011 06:48:13 +0000, a écrit :
> On my system I need to unmute 'Master Front'
> 
> $ amixer sset 'Master Front' 50% unmute &> /dev/null
> 
> I have not tried the Debian eSpeakup image but Arch unmutes the channel.

That one is not in the debian script yet.  I've requested the addition.
Do you know where I could find the Arch script that unmutes channels?
It'd be good that such list of controls could be shared among
distributions rather than everybody guessing on their own.

Samuel

RE: Debian Install ALSA/Intel Issue

[Øyvind Lode]

Samuel writes:
> Do you know where I could find the Arch script that unmutes channels?
No, but I guess you'll find it on the Arch Talking images by Chris Brannon.
I'm not sure where on the ISO the alsa script is located.
Let's hope Chris reads this message and chimes in and tell us were the script is located.

Re: Debian Install ALSA/Intel Issue

[Christopher Brannon]

Øyvind Lode <oyvind@lode.is> writes:

> Let's hope Chris reads this message and chimes in and tell us were the script is located.

http://the-brannons.com/livecdsound

It hasn't changed since the last time that this topic was broached on
the list.  I do need to update it for some controls that I wasn't
handling, like the one for the built-in speaker on Netbooks.

I'm idly curious whether my image would work for the OP.  At this point,
I doubt it.

-- Chris

Re: Debian Install ALSA/Intel Issue

[Samuel Thibault]

Christopher Brannon, le Tue 08 Mar 2011 16:14:50 +0000, a écrit :
> Øyvind Lode <oyvind@lode.is> writes:
> 
> > Let's hope Chris reads this message and chimes in and tell us were the script is located.
> 
> http://the-brannons.com/livecdsound
> 
> It hasn't changed since the last time that this topic was broached on
> the list.

Ok. There's no mention of "Master Front" there actually...

> I do need to update it for some controls that I wasn't
> handling, like the one for the built-in speaker on Netbooks.

Yes, debian has "Front Speaker", "LFE" and "Speaker" in addition to
these.

Samuel

Re: Debian Install ALSA/Intel Issue

[Liz Hare]

Hi all,

Thanks so much for all your help with this.

Chuck said

 > Normally it is sufficient to unmute Master
> and PCM, raising their volume to reasonable levels. On the HDA-Intel
> device, there is also something called Front that also has to be
> unmuted and its volume set. You didn't say how you unmuted the audio
> interface, but if you didn't do all three items, Master, PCM, and
> Front, you won't get sound. The best mixer utility to use is one that a
> lot of people hate, it is amixer

I just used amixer to change volume and unmute Master, PCM, and Front, 
and no sound.

Another potential problem that may or may not be relevant is that ALSA 
sees two cards-- the Intel card and the NVdia Video card. I'm not sure 
how to ensure that the signal is going to card0, the Intel card.

FWIW, the Intel card is on an Intel S5520SC workstation motherboard. In 
an Ubuntu HOWTO (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto) I 
found suggestions to run

cat /proc/asound/card0/codec#* | grep Codec

And I get

Realtek ALC 889

It suggests that you look up in a table what your model is, and I get

intel-x58

It then suggests that you change alsa-base.conf, which isn't feasible in 
the install situation.

Any suggestions for getting this thing running would be really appreciated.

Liz

Re: Debian Install ALSA/Intel Issue

[Christopher Brannon]

Liz Hare <doggene@earthlink.net> writes:

> Any suggestions for getting this thing running would be really appreciated.

I want to see the output from amixer, if you can send it to me.

-- Chris

Re: Debian Install ALSA/Intel Issue

[Liz Hare]

> I want to see the output from amixer, if you can send it to me.

Hi Chris,

Do you have any ideas of how I can do this? I'm installing from CD on a 
system that doesn't have any OS already installed.

Thanks,
Liz

Re: Debian Install ALSA/Intel Issue

[Christopher Brannon]

Liz Hare <doggene@earthlink.net> writes:

> Do you have any ideas of how I can do this? I'm installing from CD on
> a system that doesn't have any OS already installed.

Hi Liz,
Maybe.

If you have a floppy drive and a spare floppy,
mount /dev/fd0 /mnt
amixer > /mnt/out.txt
Yes, those old floppy drives are still good for something!  You can hear
the motor and know that the data is being saved.
I've done the same thing with USB storage devices.

How about your local area network?  If you can somehow cajole the
machine into connecting to the Internet, then you can upload the data to
me using the nc utility.  I'm fairly certain it is available on the .iso
you are using.  I'll tell you where to upload off-list.

-- Chris

Re: Debian Install ALSA/Intel Issue

[Liz Hare]

Hi again, and thanks for all your help.

Would it be possible to mount a USB device? How?

Thanks, Liz


On 3/8/2011 11:45 AM, Christopher Brannon wrote:
> Liz Hare<doggene@earthlink.net>  writes:
>
>> Do you have any ideas of how I can do this? I'm installing from CD on
>> a system that doesn't have any OS already installed.
>
> Hi Liz,
> Maybe.
>
> If you have a floppy drive and a spare floppy,
> mount /dev/fd0 /mnt
> amixer>  /mnt/out.txt
> Yes, those old floppy drives are still good for something!  You can hear
> the motor and know that the data is being saved.
> I've done the same thing with USB storage devices.
>
> How about your local area network?  If you can somehow cajole the
> machine into connecting to the Internet, then you can upload the data to
> me using the nc utility.  I'm fairly certain it is available on the .iso
> you are using.  I'll tell you where to upload off-list.
>
> -- Chris
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Re: Debian Install ALSA/Intel Issue

[Christopher Brannon]

Liz Hare <doggene@earthlink.net> writes:

> Would it be possible to mount a USB device? How?

Hi Liz,
It is, but the problem is knowing the name of the device.
On my box, /dev/sdb1 is usually the first partition of my external
device.  /dev/sda is my internal hard drive.  It really gets problematic
if you have connected multiple USB storage devices.

You might be able to make this easier using filesystem labels,
especially if your external device has an ext2 or ext3 filesystem.
I don't know how to add a volume label to an MSDOS filesystem.

Here's a fully-worked example of how labels work, based on my own setup.
My external hard disk has three partitions.  The first two aren't
important.  Partition 3 has all of my data.  It's at /dev/sdb3 right
now.  I added a label to the filesystem, using e2label:
e2label /dev/sdb3 cmb_external_hd
You probably want to run that command with the filesystem unmounted.
Now, any time I need to access that partition, I can do so using the
pathname /dev/disk/by-label/cmb_hd_external.
>From now on, I don't have to care about the physical device name.  It
could be /dev/sdb3, /dev/sdc3, or anything else.  But it doesn't matter.
The logical name /dev/disk/by-label/cmb_external_hd always refers to the
3rd partition on my external hard drive.

So hopefully that whole discussion was beneficial, and it will simplify
the process of working with USB devices.
Assuming you've assigned a label of my_fs to a filesystem on your USB
device, you should be able to do:
mount /dev/disk/by-label/my_fs /mnt
amixer > /mnt/amixer.txt
sync
umount /mnt

Hope this helps.
-- Chris

Re: Debian Install ALSA/Intel Issue

[Igor Gueths]

If I recall, Dos employed the same label concept, in the form of so-called
"disklabels." What I don't know however, is if Mount supports any other
filesystem labeling schemes other than the EXT family.
On Tue, Mar 08, 2011 at 08:09:57PM +0000, Christopher Brannon wrote:
> Liz Hare <doggene@earthlink.net> writes:
> 
> > Would it be possible to mount a USB device? How?
> 
> Hi Liz,
> It is, but the problem is knowing the name of the device.
> On my box, /dev/sdb1 is usually the first partition of my external
> device.  /dev/sda is my internal hard drive.  It really gets problematic
> if you have connected multiple USB storage devices.
> 
> You might be able to make this easier using filesystem labels,
> especially if your external device has an ext2 or ext3 filesystem.
> I don't know how to add a volume label to an MSDOS filesystem.
> 
> Here's a fully-worked example of how labels work, based on my own setup.
> My external hard disk has three partitions.  The first two aren't
> important.  Partition 3 has all of my data.  It's at /dev/sdb3 right
> now.  I added a label to the filesystem, using e2label:
> e2label /dev/sdb3 cmb_external_hd
> You probably want to run that command with the filesystem unmounted.
> Now, any time I need to access that partition, I can do so using the
> pathname /dev/disk/by-label/cmb_hd_external.
> >From now on, I don't have to care about the physical device name.  It
> could be /dev/sdb3, /dev/sdc3, or anything else.  But it doesn't matter.
> The logical name /dev/disk/by-label/cmb_external_hd always refers to the
> 3rd partition on my external hard drive.
> 
> So hopefully that whole discussion was beneficial, and it will simplify
> the process of working with USB devices.
> Assuming you've assigned a label of my_fs to a filesystem on your USB
> device, you should be able to do:
> mount /dev/disk/by-label/my_fs /mnt
> amixer > /mnt/amixer.txt
> sync
> umount /mnt
> 
> Hope this helps.
> -- Chris
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Re: Debian Install ALSA/Intel Issue

[Liz Hare]

Thanks, Chris,

This would be really useful, except that e2label isn't available to me 
on the distribution of Debian from Samuel Thibault.

I got someone to check the syslog and the usb stick is sda1.

There is an application in there called usb-list, and it does list the 
USB stick.

When I try to mount it, I get an error saying  mounting failed, no such 
file or directory.

Liz

Liz Hare PhD
Dog Genetics LLC
doggene@earthlink.net
http://www.doggenetics.com

On 3/8/2011 2:09 PM, Christopher Brannon wrote:
> Liz Hare<doggene@earthlink.net>  writes:
>
>> Would it be possible to mount a USB device? How?
>
> Hi Liz,
> It is, but the problem is knowing the name of the device.
> On my box, /dev/sdb1 is usually the first partition of my external
> device.  /dev/sda is my internal hard drive.  It really gets problematic
> if you have connected multiple USB storage devices.
>
> You might be able to make this easier using filesystem labels,
> especially if your external device has an ext2 or ext3 filesystem.
> I don't know how to add a volume label to an MSDOS filesystem.
>
> Here's a fully-worked example of how labels work, based on my own setup.
> My external hard disk has three partitions.  The first two aren't
> important.  Partition 3 has all of my data.  It's at /dev/sdb3 right
> now.  I added a label to the filesystem, using e2label:
> e2label /dev/sdb3 cmb_external_hd
> You probably want to run that command with the filesystem unmounted.
> Now, any time I need to access that partition, I can do so using the
> pathname /dev/disk/by-label/cmb_hd_external.
>> From now on, I don't have to care about the physical device name.  It
> could be /dev/sdb3, /dev/sdc3, or anything else.  But it doesn't matter.
> The logical name /dev/disk/by-label/cmb_external_hd always refers to the
> 3rd partition on my external hard drive.
>
> So hopefully that whole discussion was beneficial, and it will simplify
> the process of working with USB devices.
> Assuming you've assigned a label of my_fs to a filesystem on your USB
> device, you should be able to do:
> mount /dev/disk/by-label/my_fs /mnt
> amixer>  /mnt/amixer.txt
> sync
> umount /mnt
>
> Hope this helps.
> -- Chris
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Re: Debian Install ALSA/Intel Issue

[Steve Holmes]

What are using for the mount command? 
A typical mount command should look like this:
mount -t auto /dev/sda1 /mnt
Where /mnt is your mount point; I assume that exists on your install
session.  I say '-t auto' in case we don't know what kind of file
system is on that USB stick.  That should work but I have had 'auto'
cause a miss-interpretation of the file system before.  If you know
for a fact that it is a FAT style system, you could ue vfat so then
the command would look like:
mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt

Hope this extra info helps.

On Tue, Mar 08, 2011 at 03:19:41PM -0600, Liz Hare wrote:
> Thanks, Chris,
> 
> This would be really useful, except that e2label isn't available to
> me on the distribution of Debian from Samuel Thibault.
> 
> I got someone to check the syslog and the usb stick is sda1.
> 
> There is an application in there called usb-list, and it does list
> the USB stick.
> 
> When I try to mount it, I get an error saying  mounting failed, no
> such file or directory.
> 
> Liz
> 
> Liz Hare PhD
> Dog Genetics LLC
> doggene@earthlink.net
> http://www.doggenetics.com
> 
> On 3/8/2011 2:09 PM, Christopher Brannon wrote:
> >Liz Hare<doggene@earthlink.net>  writes:
> >
> >>Would it be possible to mount a USB device? How?
> >
> >Hi Liz,
> >It is, but the problem is knowing the name of the device.
> >On my box, /dev/sdb1 is usually the first partition of my external
> >device.  /dev/sda is my internal hard drive.  It really gets problematic
> >if you have connected multiple USB storage devices.
> >
> >You might be able to make this easier using filesystem labels,
> >especially if your external device has an ext2 or ext3 filesystem.
> >I don't know how to add a volume label to an MSDOS filesystem.
> >
> >Here's a fully-worked example of how labels work, based on my own setup.
> >My external hard disk has three partitions.  The first two aren't
> >important.  Partition 3 has all of my data.  It's at /dev/sdb3 right
> >now.  I added a label to the filesystem, using e2label:
> >e2label /dev/sdb3 cmb_external_hd
> >You probably want to run that command with the filesystem unmounted.
> >Now, any time I need to access that partition, I can do so using the
> >pathname /dev/disk/by-label/cmb_hd_external.
> >>From now on, I don't have to care about the physical device name.  It
> >could be /dev/sdb3, /dev/sdc3, or anything else.  But it doesn't matter.
> >The logical name /dev/disk/by-label/cmb_external_hd always refers to the
> >3rd partition on my external hard drive.
> >
> >So hopefully that whole discussion was beneficial, and it will simplify
> >the process of working with USB devices.
> >Assuming you've assigned a label of my_fs to a filesystem on your USB
> >device, you should be able to do:
> >mount /dev/disk/by-label/my_fs /mnt
> >amixer>  /mnt/amixer.txt
> >sync
> >umount /mnt
> >
> >Hope this helps.
> >-- Chris
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Re: Debian Install ALSA/Intel Issue

[Alonzo Cuellar]

Hello Liz,
You'd have to see the output of dmesg
I'm not at my current machine at the moment. However, when you plugin your usb device, look at the lines dmesg displays.
You should see something like what type of device it is, it being on sdb, and then it referencing sdb1 as what to specify to mount.
then you'd just create a directory in our home directory, or your current working environment as follows
mkdir drive
mount /dev/sdb1 drive
Then you'd be able to do the following
cd drive
ls drive
then you'd view the contents. to un mount simply return back to your home directory by doing
cd ~
or cd ..
for the previous directory then do
unmount /dev/sdb1
This is a basic summary of what to do. I'm sorry its not therro
On Mar 8, 2011, at 12:22 PM, Liz Hare wrote:

> Hi again, and thanks for all your help.
> 
> Would it be possible to mount a USB device? How?
> 
> Thanks, Liz
> 
> 
> On 3/8/2011 11:45 AM, Christopher Brannon wrote:
>> Liz Hare<doggene@earthlink.net>  writes:
>> 
>>> Do you have any ideas of how I can do this? I'm installing from CD on
>>> a system that doesn't have any OS already installed.
>> 
>> Hi Liz,
>> Maybe.
>> 
>> If you have a floppy drive and a spare floppy,
>> mount /dev/fd0 /mnt
>> amixer>  /mnt/out.txt
>> Yes, those old floppy drives are still good for something!  You can hear
>> the motor and know that the data is being saved.
>> I've done the same thing with USB storage devices.
>> 
>> How about your local area network?  If you can somehow cajole the
>> machine into connecting to the Internet, then you can upload the data to
>> me using the nc utility.  I'm fairly certain it is available on the .iso
>> you are using.  I'll tell you where to upload off-list.
>> 
>> -- Chris
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Re: Debian Install ALSA/Intel Issue

[Bardia Zakeri]

do you  have  synt tts  hardvare ?
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Subject: Re: Debian Install ALSA/Intel Issue


> Hello Liz,
> You'd have to see the output of dmesg
> I'm not at my current machine at the moment. However, when you plugin your 
> usb device, look at the lines dmesg displays.
> You should see something like what type of device it is, it being on sdb, 
> and then it referencing sdb1 as what to specify to mount.
> then you'd just create a directory in our home directory, or your current 
> working environment as follows
> mkdir drive
> mount /dev/sdb1 drive
> Then you'd be able to do the following
> cd drive
> ls drive
> then you'd view the contents. to un mount simply return back to your home 
> directory by doing
> cd ~
> or cd ..
> for the previous directory then do
> unmount /dev/sdb1
> This is a basic summary of what to do. I'm sorry its not therro
> On Mar 8, 2011, at 12:22 PM, Liz Hare wrote:
>
>> Hi again, and thanks for all your help.
>>
>> Would it be possible to mount a USB device? How?
>>
>> Thanks, Liz
>>
>>
>> On 3/8/2011 11:45 AM, Christopher Brannon wrote:
>>> Liz Hare<doggene@earthlink.net>  writes:
>>>
>>>> Do you have any ideas of how I can do this? I'm installing from CD on
>>>> a system that doesn't have any OS already installed.
>>>
>>> Hi Liz,
>>> Maybe.
>>>
>>> If you have a floppy drive and a spare floppy,
>>> mount /dev/fd0 /mnt
>>> amixer>  /mnt/out.txt
>>> Yes, those old floppy drives are still good for something!  You can hear
>>> the motor and know that the data is being saved.
>>> I've done the same thing with USB storage devices.
>>>
>>> How about your local area network?  If you can somehow cajole the
>>> machine into connecting to the Internet, then you can upload the data to
>>> me using the nc utility.  I'm fairly certain it is available on the .iso
>>> you are using.  I'll tell you where to upload off-list.
>>>
>>> -- Chris
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
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debian usb.

[Bardia Zakeri]

hi! can i  use a debian  in myy usb ?

Re: debian usb.

[Liz Hare]

> hi! can i use a debian in myy usb ?

Do you mean that you want to install Debian from a USB device? I think 
you can do this but you'd have to change your BIOS to boot from a USB 
device. In my research about mounting USB drives I came across a lot of 
discussion about installing from USB on the Web.

Liz

Re: Debian Install ALSA/Intel Issue

[Liz Hare]

Chris Brannan said:

> I want to see the output from amixer, if you can send it to me.

Thanks to Steve Holmes' advice about mounting the USB stick, here it is:

Simple mixer control 'Master',0
   Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined penum
   Playback channels: Mono
   Limits: Playback 0 - 64
   Mono: Playback 52 [81%] [-12.00dB] [on]
Simple mixer control 'Headphone',0
   Capabilities: pswitch penum
   Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
   Mono:
   Front Left: Playback [on]
   Front Right: Playback [on]
Simple mixer control 'PCM',0
   Capabilities: pvolume penum
   Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
   Limits: Playback 0 - 255
   Mono:
   Front Left: Playback 204 [80%] [-10.20dB]
   Front Right: Playback 204 [80%] [-10.20dB]
Simple mixer control 'Front',0
   Capabilities: pvolume pswitch penum
   Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
   Limits: Playback 0 - 64
   Mono:
   Front Left: Playback 52 [81%] [-10.00dB] [on]
   Front Right: Playback 52 [81%] [-10.00dB] [on]
Simple mixer control 'Front Mic',0
   Capabilities: pvolume pswitch penum
   Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
   Limits: Playback 0 - 31
   Mono:
   Front Left: Playback 0 [0%] [-34.50dB] [off]
   Front Right: Playback 0 [0%] [-34.50dB] [off]
Simple mixer control 'Front Mic Boost',0
   Capabilities: volume penum
   Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
   Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
   Limits: 0 - 3
   Front Left: 0 [0%]
   Front Right: 0 [0%]
Simple mixer control 'Surround',0
   Capabilities: pvolume pswitch penum
   Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
   Limits: Playback 0 - 64
   Mono:
   Front Left: Playback 0 [0%] [-62.00dB] [on]
   Front Right: Playback 0 [0%] [-62.00dB] [on]
Simple mixer control 'Center',0
   Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined penum
   Playback channels: Mono
   Limits: Playback 0 - 64
   Mono: Playback 0 [0%] [-62.00dB] [on]
Simple mixer control 'LFE',0
   Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined penum
   Playback channels: Mono
   Limits: Playback 0 - 64
   Mono: Playback 52 [81%] [-10.00dB] [on]
Simple mixer control 'Side',0
   Capabilities: pvolume pswitch penum
   Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
   Limits: Playback 0 - 64
   Mono:
   Front Left: Playback 0 [0%] [-62.00dB] [on]
   Front Right: Playback 0 [0%] [-62.00dB] [on]
Simple mixer control 'Line',0
   Capabilities: pvolume pswitch penum
   Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
   Limits: Playback 0 - 31
   Mono:
   Front Left: Playback 0 [0%] [-34.50dB] [off]
   Front Right: Playback 0 [0%] [-34.50dB] [off]
Simple mixer control 'Mic',0
   Capabilities: pvolume pswitch penum
   Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
   Limits: Playback 0 - 31
   Mono:
   Front Left: Playback 0 [0%] [-34.50dB] [off]
   Front Right: Playback 0 [0%] [-34.50dB] [off]
Simple mixer control 'Mic Boost',0
   Capabilities: volume penum
   Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
   Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
   Limits: 0 - 3
   Front Left: 0 [0%]
   Front Right: 0 [0%]
Simple mixer control 'IEC958',0
   Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined penum
   Playback channels: Mono
   Mono: Playback [off]
Simple mixer control 'IEC958 Default PCM',0
   Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined penum
   Playback channels: Mono
   Mono: Playback [on]
Simple mixer control 'Beep',0
   Capabilities: pvolume pswitch penum
   Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
   Limits: Playback 0 - 31
   Mono:
   Front Left: Playback 23 [74%] [0.00dB] [off]
   Front Right: Playback 23 [74%] [0.00dB] [off]
Simple mixer control 'Capture',0
   Capabilities: cvolume cswitch penum
   Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
   Limits: Capture 0 - 46
   Front Left: Capture 0 [0%] [-16.00dB] [off]
   Front Right: Capture 0 [0%] [-16.00dB] [off]
Simple mixer control 'Capture',1
   Capabilities: cvolume cswitch penum
   Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
   Limits: Capture 0 - 46
   Front Left: Capture 0 [0%] [-16.00dB] [on]
   Front Right: Capture 0 [0%] [-16.00dB] [on]
Simple mixer control 'Capture',2
   Capabilities: cvolume cswitch penum
   Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
   Limits: Capture 0 - 46
   Front Left: Capture 0 [0%] [-16.00dB] [on]
   Front Right: Capture 0 [0%] [-16.00dB] [on]
Simple mixer control 'Input Source',0
   Capabilities: cenum
   Items: 'Mic' 'Front Mic' 'Line'
   Item0: 'Mic'
Simple mixer control 'Input Source',1
   Capabilities: cenum
   Items: 'Mic' 'Front Mic' 'Line'
   Item0: 'Mic'
Simple mixer control 'Input Source',2
   Capabilities: cenum
   Items: 'Mic' 'Front Mic' 'Line'
   Item0: 'Mic'

Re: Debian Install ALSA/Intel Issue

[Bardia Zakeri]

what is amixer 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Liz Hare" <doggene@earthlink.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 6:10 AM
Subject: Re: Debian Install ALSA/Intel Issue


> Chris Brannan said:
> 
>> I want to see the output from amixer, if you can send it to me.
> 
> Thanks to Steve Holmes' advice about mounting the USB stick, here it is:
> 
> Simple mixer control 'Master',0
>   Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined penum
>   Playback channels: Mono
>   Limits: Playback 0 - 64
>   Mono: Playback 52 [81%] [-12.00dB] [on]
> Simple mixer control 'Headphone',0
>   Capabilities: pswitch penum
>   Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
>   Mono:
>   Front Left: Playback [on]
>   Front Right: Playback [on]
> Simple mixer control 'PCM',0
>   Capabilities: pvolume penum
>   Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
>   Limits: Playback 0 - 255
>   Mono:
>   Front Left: Playback 204 [80%] [-10.20dB]
>   Front Right: Playback 204 [80%] [-10.20dB]
> Simple mixer control 'Front',0
>   Capabilities: pvolume pswitch penum
>   Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
>   Limits: Playback 0 - 64
>   Mono:
>   Front Left: Playback 52 [81%] [-10.00dB] [on]
>   Front Right: Playback 52 [81%] [-10.00dB] [on]
> Simple mixer control 'Front Mic',0
>   Capabilities: pvolume pswitch penum
>   Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
>   Limits: Playback 0 - 31
>   Mono:
>   Front Left: Playback 0 [0%] [-34.50dB] [off]
>   Front Right: Playback 0 [0%] [-34.50dB] [off]
> Simple mixer control 'Front Mic Boost',0
>   Capabilities: volume penum
>   Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
>   Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
>   Limits: 0 - 3
>   Front Left: 0 [0%]
>   Front Right: 0 [0%]
> Simple mixer control 'Surround',0
>   Capabilities: pvolume pswitch penum
>   Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
>   Limits: Playback 0 - 64
>   Mono:
>   Front Left: Playback 0 [0%] [-62.00dB] [on]
>   Front Right: Playback 0 [0%] [-62.00dB] [on]
> Simple mixer control 'Center',0
>   Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined penum
>   Playback channels: Mono
>   Limits: Playback 0 - 64
>   Mono: Playback 0 [0%] [-62.00dB] [on]
> Simple mixer control 'LFE',0
>   Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined penum
>   Playback channels: Mono
>   Limits: Playback 0 - 64
>   Mono: Playback 52 [81%] [-10.00dB] [on]
> Simple mixer control 'Side',0
>   Capabilities: pvolume pswitch penum
>   Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
>   Limits: Playback 0 - 64
>   Mono:
>   Front Left: Playback 0 [0%] [-62.00dB] [on]
>   Front Right: Playback 0 [0%] [-62.00dB] [on]
> Simple mixer control 'Line',0
>   Capabilities: pvolume pswitch penum
>   Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
>   Limits: Playback 0 - 31
>   Mono:
>   Front Left: Playback 0 [0%] [-34.50dB] [off]
>   Front Right: Playback 0 [0%] [-34.50dB] [off]
> Simple mixer control 'Mic',0
>   Capabilities: pvolume pswitch penum
>   Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
>   Limits: Playback 0 - 31
>   Mono:
>   Front Left: Playback 0 [0%] [-34.50dB] [off]
>   Front Right: Playback 0 [0%] [-34.50dB] [off]
> Simple mixer control 'Mic Boost',0
>   Capabilities: volume penum
>   Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
>   Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
>   Limits: 0 - 3
>   Front Left: 0 [0%]
>   Front Right: 0 [0%]
> Simple mixer control 'IEC958',0
>   Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined penum
>   Playback channels: Mono
>   Mono: Playback [off]
> Simple mixer control 'IEC958 Default PCM',0
>   Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined penum
>   Playback channels: Mono
>   Mono: Playback [on]
> Simple mixer control 'Beep',0
>   Capabilities: pvolume pswitch penum
>   Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
>   Limits: Playback 0 - 31
>   Mono:
>   Front Left: Playback 23 [74%] [0.00dB] [off]
>   Front Right: Playback 23 [74%] [0.00dB] [off]
> Simple mixer control 'Capture',0
>   Capabilities: cvolume cswitch penum
>   Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
>   Limits: Capture 0 - 46
>   Front Left: Capture 0 [0%] [-16.00dB] [off]
>   Front Right: Capture 0 [0%] [-16.00dB] [off]
> Simple mixer control 'Capture',1
>   Capabilities: cvolume cswitch penum
>   Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
>   Limits: Capture 0 - 46
>   Front Left: Capture 0 [0%] [-16.00dB] [on]
>   Front Right: Capture 0 [0%] [-16.00dB] [on]
> Simple mixer control 'Capture',2
>   Capabilities: cvolume cswitch penum
>   Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
>   Limits: Capture 0 - 46
>   Front Left: Capture 0 [0%] [-16.00dB] [on]
>   Front Right: Capture 0 [0%] [-16.00dB] [on]
> Simple mixer control 'Input Source',0
>   Capabilities: cenum
>   Items: 'Mic' 'Front Mic' 'Line'
>   Item0: 'Mic'
> Simple mixer control 'Input Source',1
>   Capabilities: cenum
>   Items: 'Mic' 'Front Mic' 'Line'
>   Item0: 'Mic'
> Simple mixer control 'Input Source',2
>   Capabilities: cenum
>   Items: 'Mic' 'Front Mic' 'Line'
>   Item0: 'Mic'
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Re: Debian Install ALSA/Intel Issue

[Liz Hare]

> what is amixer

Amixer is a way to control the ALSA sound card driver from the command 
line. It's used for software speech in Linux, like with Samuel 
Thibault's Debian distribution with software speech.

Liz

Re: Debian Install ALSA/Intel Issue

[Christopher Brannon]

Liz Hare <doggene@earthlink.net> writes:

> Simple mixer control 'PCM',0
>   Capabilities: pvolume penum
>   Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
>   Limits: Playback 0 - 255
>   Mono:
>   Front Left: Playback 204 [80%] [-10.20dB]
>   Front Right: Playback 204 [80%] [-10.20dB]

Hi,
I don't like this PCM entry.  Notice that alsa isn't telling us anything
about the muted/unmuted state of the card.
Something is wrong, and I don't know how to fix it.
Someone who was using my ArchLinux CD had a similar issue last year.
His card was an "Intel 82801HB ICH8 - High Definition Audio".
As it turned out, fixing his problem was as simple as a kernel upgrade.
Yes, I made a special CD just for him, and all was well.

What is the exact make and model of your card?

-- Chris

Re: Debian Install ALSA/Intel Issue

[Liz Hare]

> What is the exact make and model of your card?

It's an Intel s5520sc. It has "HD 7.1 Channel audio support."

Liz

Re: Debian Install ALSA/Intel Issue

[Liz Hare]

Hi Chris

> Yes, I made a special CD just for him, and all was well.

Which version of ALSA did that distribution have? It's 1.0.21 in the 
version of Debian I'm trying to install.



> What is the exact make and model of your card?

It's an Intel S5520C. With "HD 7.1 channel audio support" and the codec 
is ALC889. I've spent hours researching this and am not sure how to 
proceed, so any suggestions would help a lot.

Liz

Re: Debian Install ALSA/Intel Issue

[Christopher Brannon]

Liz Hare <doggene@earthlink.net> writes:

> Which version of ALSA did that distribution have? It's 1.0.21 in the
> version of Debian I'm trying to install.

Hi Liz,
The versions on my CD are as follows:
alsa-utils 1.0.23,
kernel 2.6.33.
These are old by ArchLinux standards.  It's time to make a new CD.  The
current versions in our repositories are:
alsa-utils-1.0.24.2 and kernel 2.6.37.

-- Chris

Still need advice ALSA/Intel onboard s5520sc

[Liz Hare]

Hi, all,

I'm still trying to figure out how to get Linux installed on this 
machine with the crazy Intel 7.1 HD audio.

I tried the Arch distribution

TalkingArch-2010.05-netinstall_x86_64.iso

and got a boot error in spite of trying to burn the CD slowly, and 
trying it several times.

Since I really wanted Debian

(espeakup-squeeze-amd64.iso),

  I tried borrowing eyeballs to just install Debian 6.0.0, but after a 
few  menu selections I got an error that the speech synthesizer couldn't 
be configured.

Any suggestions on the best way to get this thing running so I can 
actually get some work done on it? Is there any distribution with the 
most recent ALSA drivers (1.0.24) and speech? If not, would I be better 
off getting an external USB sound card-- are those supported with espeakup?

Thanks for any ideas,
Liz


Liz Hare PhD
Dog Genetics LLC
doggene@earthlink.net
http://www.doggenetics.com

On 3/10/2011 4:29 PM, Christopher Brannon wrote:
> Liz Hare<doggene@earthlink.net>  writes:
>
>> Which version of ALSA did that distribution have? It's 1.0.21 in the
>> version of Debian I'm trying to install.
>
> Hi Liz,
> The versions on my CD are as follows:
> alsa-utils 1.0.23,
> kernel 2.6.33.
> These are old by ArchLinux standards.  It's time to make a new CD.  The
> current versions in our repositories are:
> alsa-utils-1.0.24.2 and kernel 2.6.37.
>
> -- Chris
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
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Re: Still need advice ALSA/Intel onboard s5520sc

[Michael Whapples]

I don't know whether it will help, but have you considered trying GRML 
http://www.grml.org? Its based on debian unstable and is a great live 
CD. I probably wouldn't recommend using it installed to a hard disk, but 
it certainly can be used to install other distributions (eg. debian I 
believe is possible and I have certainly used it to install archlinux 
and I think I have heard of someone using it to install gentoo).

NOTE: If you try GRML, get the full CD sized image, do not use the small 
or medium versions as I think those do not contain all the speech stuff.

You asked about external sound cards, yes they will work with espeakup, 
the only possible problem may be if you have multiple sound cards 
working in the system, the problem being knowing which might be default 
(this can be overcome for an installed system but when booting from 
installer CDs it can be difficult to guess).

Michael Whapples
On -10/01/37 20:59, Liz Hare wrote:
> Hi, all,
>
> I'm still trying to figure out how to get Linux installed on this 
> machine with the crazy Intel 7.1 HD audio.
>
> I tried the Arch distribution
>
> TalkingArch-2010.05-netinstall_x86_64.iso
>
> and got a boot error in spite of trying to burn the CD slowly, and 
> trying it several times.
>
> Since I really wanted Debian
>
> (espeakup-squeeze-amd64.iso),
>
>  I tried borrowing eyeballs to just install Debian 6.0.0, but after a 
> few  menu selections I got an error that the speech synthesizer 
> couldn't be configured.
>
> Any suggestions on the best way to get this thing running so I can 
> actually get some work done on it? Is there any distribution with the 
> most recent ALSA drivers (1.0.24) and speech? If not, would I be 
> better off getting an external USB sound card-- are those supported 
> with espeakup?
>
> Thanks for any ideas,
> Liz
>
>
> Liz Hare PhD
> Dog Genetics LLC
> doggene@earthlink.net
> http://www.doggenetics.com
>
> On 3/10/2011 4:29 PM, Christopher Brannon wrote:
>> Liz Hare<doggene@earthlink.net>  writes:
>>
>>> Which version of ALSA did that distribution have? It's 1.0.21 in the
>>> version of Debian I'm trying to install.
>>
>> Hi Liz,
>> The versions on my CD are as follows:
>> alsa-utils 1.0.23,
>> kernel 2.6.33.
>> These are old by ArchLinux standards.  It's time to make a new CD.  The
>> current versions in our repositories are:
>> alsa-utils-1.0.24.2 and kernel 2.6.37.
>>
>> -- Chris
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>

Re: Still need advice ALSA/Intel onboard s5520sc

[Liz Hare]

Thanks for all the great advice Michael.

> I don't know whether it will help, but have you considered trying GRML

This is a great idea-- it has alsa 1.0.23 so at least I can see if that 
one works with my sound card. I'm downloading it now.

Can anyone suggest any resources to tell me how to use GRML to install 
another distribution? I've only installed Linux from installation CDs, 
so I wouldn't be sure how to proceed.

> You asked about external sound cards, yes they will work with espeakup,

Does anyone know if there is a list anywhere of models that have been 
tested?

> the only possible problem may be if you have multiple sound cards
> working in the system, the problem being knowing which might be default
> (this can be overcome for an installed system but when booting from
> installer CDs it can be difficult to guess).

I'm thinking I could probably use another console (would have to get 
sighted assistance) to find out and possibly change the default?

Liz, still really appreciating the help from everybody on this list.

>
> Michael Whapples
> On -10/01/37 20:59, Liz Hare wrote:
>> Hi, all,
>>
>> I'm still trying to figure out how to get Linux installed on this
>> machine with the crazy Intel 7.1 HD audio.
>>
>> I tried the Arch distribution
>>
>> TalkingArch-2010.05-netinstall_x86_64.iso
>>
>> and got a boot error in spite of trying to burn the CD slowly, and
>> trying it several times.
>>
>> Since I really wanted Debian
>>
>> (espeakup-squeeze-amd64.iso),
>>
>> I tried borrowing eyeballs to just install Debian 6.0.0, but after a
>> few menu selections I got an error that the speech synthesizer
>> couldn't be configured.
>>
>> Any suggestions on the best way to get this thing running so I can
>> actually get some work done on it? Is there any distribution with the
>> most recent ALSA drivers (1.0.24) and speech? If not, would I be
>> better off getting an external USB sound card-- are those supported
>> with espeakup?
>>
>> Thanks for any ideas,
>> Liz
>>
>>
>> Liz Hare PhD
>> Dog Genetics LLC
>> doggene@earthlink.net
>> http://www.doggenetics.com
>>
>> On 3/10/2011 4:29 PM, Christopher Brannon wrote:
>>> Liz Hare<doggene@earthlink.net> writes:
>>>
>>>> Which version of ALSA did that distribution have? It's 1.0.21 in the
>>>> version of Debian I'm trying to install.
>>>
>>> Hi Liz,
>>> The versions on my CD are as follows:
>>> alsa-utils 1.0.23,
>>> kernel 2.6.33.
>>> These are old by ArchLinux standards. It's time to make a new CD. The
>>> current versions in our repositories are:
>>> alsa-utils-1.0.24.2 and kernel 2.6.37.
>>>
>>> -- Chris
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>
>>
>
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Re: Still need advice ALSA/Intel onboard s5520sc

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 01:56:38PM -0500, Liz Hare wrote:
> Can anyone suggest any resources to tell me how to use GRML to
> install another distribution? I've only installed Linux from
> installation CDs, so I wouldn't be sure how to proceed.

I've installed debian on an amd64 system using debootstrap from
grml. Type 

man debootstrap

to have a look at the manual page. The examples section towards the
end gives you practically a step-by-step. If you're fine with just
running debian 32-bit, grml has a script that will do the install for
you, look at the documentation on the grml site. HTH.

Greg


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Re: Still need advice ALSA/Intel onboard s5520sc

[John G. Heim]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: Still need advice ALSA/Intel onboard s5520sc


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> On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 01:56:38PM -0500, Liz Hare wrote:
>> Can anyone suggest any resources to tell me how to use GRML to
>> install another distribution? I've only installed Linux from
>> installation CDs, so I wouldn't be sure how to proceed.
>
> I've installed debian on an amd64 system using debootstrap from
> grml. Type
>
> man debootstrap
>
> to have a look at the manual page. The examples section towards the
> end gives you practically a step-by-step. If you're fine with just
> running debian 32-bit, grml has a script that will do the install for
> you, look at the documentation on the grml site. HTH.


Yeah, one thing that getting through an installation like that is that it 
makes the whole installation process seem a lot less magical. You begin to 
understand that something like the ubuntu installer is just a point and 
click interface to stuff you could do yourself at the command line. 
Practically everything in linux is like that.

the rewards of getting your hands dirty, was: Re: Still need advice ALSA/Intel onboard s5520sc

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 08:23:40AM -0500, John G. Heim wrote:
> Yeah, one thing that getting through an installation like that is
> that it makes the whole installation process seem a lot less
> magical. You begin to understand that something like the ubuntu
> installer is just a point and click interface to stuff you could do
> yourself at the command line. Practically everything in linux is
> like that.

Absolutely, which is why I'm glad I started out with slackware. It
meant a higher learning curve initially than I would have had
otherwise, but it means that I got to realize what goes on under the
hood from the start, rather then having a rude awakening later on.

Greg


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Re: Still need advice ALSA/Intel onboard s5520sc

[Michael Whapples]

Hello,
I think you have already been pointed to debootstrap for installing 
debian from GRML. GRML I think has a convenience script to help with 
that process, the script is grml-debootstrap.

Now to installing archlinux from GRML which I know better. It may be 
worth noting, you mentioned a distribution with ALSA 1.0.24, an up to 
date installed archlinux system will have that. Unfortunately the 
process of installing is a bit more involved, also I don't know whether 
there is a nice precise step by step tutorial.

I did a recording on how to install archlinux from GRML (I think it may 
be on the speakup FTP server) but it may be a bit out dated now as there 
has been at least another release of GRML since then. This may be the 
most specific to installing from GRML though.

Other documents which may be useful include this article 
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Install_from_Existing_Linux. You 
probably want to bare in mind the additional steps mentioned in the 
talking archlinux install guide (eg. installing espeakup and copying the 
ALSA configuration).

Probably the biggest issue with installing archlinux from GRML is that 
there is no guiding installer to tell you what the next step is. 
Hopefully a combination of those documents will be enough, remember that 
GRML does come with browsers like lynx so you can read the documentation 
on the same machine you are performing the install on.

Michael Whapples
On -10/01/37 20:59, Liz Hare wrote:
>
> Thanks for all the great advice Michael.
>
>> I don't know whether it will help, but have you considered trying GRML
>
> This is a great idea-- it has alsa 1.0.23 so at least I can see if 
> that one works with my sound card. I'm downloading it now.
>
> Can anyone suggest any resources to tell me how to use GRML to install 
> another distribution? I've only installed Linux from installation CDs, 
> so I wouldn't be sure how to proceed.
>
>> You asked about external sound cards, yes they will work with espeakup,
>
> Does anyone know if there is a list anywhere of models that have been 
> tested?
>
>> the only possible problem may be if you have multiple sound cards
>> working in the system, the problem being knowing which might be default
>> (this can be overcome for an installed system but when booting from
>> installer CDs it can be difficult to guess).
>
> I'm thinking I could probably use another console (would have to get 
> sighted assistance) to find out and possibly change the default?
>
> Liz, still really appreciating the help from everybody on this list.
>
>>
>> Michael Whapples
>> On -10/01/37 20:59, Liz Hare wrote:
>>> Hi, all,
>>>
>>> I'm still trying to figure out how to get Linux installed on this
>>> machine with the crazy Intel 7.1 HD audio.
>>>
>>> I tried the Arch distribution
>>>
>>> TalkingArch-2010.05-netinstall_x86_64.iso
>>>
>>> and got a boot error in spite of trying to burn the CD slowly, and
>>> trying it several times.
>>>
>>> Since I really wanted Debian
>>>
>>> (espeakup-squeeze-amd64.iso),
>>>
>>> I tried borrowing eyeballs to just install Debian 6.0.0, but after a
>>> few menu selections I got an error that the speech synthesizer
>>> couldn't be configured.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions on the best way to get this thing running so I can
>>> actually get some work done on it? Is there any distribution with the
>>> most recent ALSA drivers (1.0.24) and speech? If not, would I be
>>> better off getting an external USB sound card-- are those supported
>>> with espeakup?
>>>
>>> Thanks for any ideas,
>>> Liz
>>>
>>>
>>> Liz Hare PhD
>>> Dog Genetics LLC
>>> doggene@earthlink.net
>>> http://www.doggenetics.com
>>>
>>> On 3/10/2011 4:29 PM, Christopher Brannon wrote:
>>>> Liz Hare<doggene@earthlink.net> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Which version of ALSA did that distribution have? It's 1.0.21 in the
>>>>> version of Debian I'm trying to install.
>>>>
>>>> Hi Liz,
>>>> The versions on my CD are as follows:
>>>> alsa-utils 1.0.23,
>>>> kernel 2.6.33.
>>>> These are old by ArchLinux standards. It's time to make a new CD. The
>>>> current versions in our repositories are:
>>>> alsa-utils-1.0.24.2 and kernel 2.6.37.
>>>>
>>>> -- Chris
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Speakup mailing list
>>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>>
>>>
>>
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>>
>

Re: Still need advice ALSA/Intel onboard s5520sc

[Roopakshi Pathania]

Hi Liz,

Have you tried Debian images from Samuel's page?
http://people.debian.org/~sthibault/espeakup/

Regards

--- On Mon, 3/14/11, Liz Hare <doggene@earthlink.net> wrote:

> From: Liz Hare <doggene@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Still need advice ALSA/Intel onboard s5520sc
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Date: Monday, March 14, 2011, 8:59 PM
> Hi, all,
> 
> I'm still trying to figure out how to get Linux installed
> on this machine with the crazy Intel 7.1 HD audio.
> 
> I tried the Arch distribution
> 
> TalkingArch-2010.05-netinstall_x86_64.iso
> 
> and got a boot error in spite of trying to burn the CD
> slowly, and trying it several times.
> 
> Since I really wanted Debian
> 
> (espeakup-squeeze-amd64.iso),
> 
>  I tried borrowing eyeballs to just install Debian 6.0.0,
> but after a few  menu selections I got an error that
> the speech synthesizer couldn't be configured.
> 
> Any suggestions on the best way to get this thing running
> so I can actually get some work done on it? Is there any
> distribution with the most recent ALSA drivers (1.0.24) and
> speech? If not, would I be better off getting an external
> USB sound card-- are those supported with espeakup?
> 
> Thanks for any ideas,
> Liz
> 
> 
> Liz Hare PhD
> Dog Genetics LLC
> doggene@earthlink.net
> http://www.doggenetics.com
> 
> On 3/10/2011 4:29 PM, Christopher Brannon wrote:
> > Liz Hare<doggene@earthlink.net> 
> writes:
> > 
> >> Which version of ALSA did that distribution have?
> It's 1.0.21 in the
> >> version of Debian I'm trying to install.
> > 
> > Hi Liz,
> > The versions on my CD are as follows:
> > alsa-utils 1.0.23,
> > kernel 2.6.33.
> > These are old by ArchLinux standards.  It's time
> to make a new CD.  The
> > current versions in our repositories are:
> > alsa-utils-1.0.24.2 and kernel 2.6.37.
> > 
> > -- Chris
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: Still need advice ALSA/Intel onboard s5520sc

[Glenn]

Did you try Ubuntu?
That is a Debian flavor.
It can come up talking.
When the disk spins up and stops, press the space bar to highlight English
Press enter
Press F5 for accessibility
Press #3 for Speech
Press enter twice, and it will boot up to the Ubuntu desktop with Orca 
talking.
http://www.ubuntu.com/
HTH.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Liz Hare" <doggene@earthlink.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 10:29 AM
Subject: Still need advice ALSA/Intel onboard s5520sc


Hi, all,

I'm still trying to figure out how to get Linux installed on this
machine with the crazy Intel 7.1 HD audio.

I tried the Arch distribution

TalkingArch-2010.05-netinstall_x86_64.iso

and got a boot error in spite of trying to burn the CD slowly, and
trying it several times.

Since I really wanted Debian

(espeakup-squeeze-amd64.iso),

  I tried borrowing eyeballs to just install Debian 6.0.0, but after a
few  menu selections I got an error that the speech synthesizer couldn't
be configured.

Any suggestions on the best way to get this thing running so I can
actually get some work done on it? Is there any distribution with the
most recent ALSA drivers (1.0.24) and speech? If not, would I be better
off getting an external USB sound card-- are those supported with espeakup?

Thanks for any ideas,
Liz


Liz Hare PhD
Dog Genetics LLC
doggene@earthlink.net
http://www.doggenetics.com

On 3/10/2011 4:29 PM, Christopher Brannon wrote:
> Liz Hare<doggene@earthlink.net>  writes:
>
>> Which version of ALSA did that distribution have? It's 1.0.21 in the
>> version of Debian I'm trying to install.
>
> Hi Liz,
> The versions on my CD are as follows:
> alsa-utils 1.0.23,
> kernel 2.6.33.
> These are old by ArchLinux standards.  It's time to make a new CD.  The
> current versions in our repositories are:
> alsa-utils-1.0.24.2 and kernel 2.6.37.
>
> -- Chris
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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