* Fetchmail and SSL
@ Christian
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` Fetchmail and SSL Gregory Nowak
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From: Christian @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Hi all,
Can fetchmail handle SSL?
Many thanks,
Christian
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* Re: doubletalk lt [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0611081205340.2462@darkstar.example.net> @ ` randy turner ` randy turner ` Gregory Nowak 0 siblings, 2 replies; 41+ messages in thread From: randy turner @ UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > hi all, > i am going to try to upgrade to another computer > it has no isa slots so i baught a pci serial card that should work, i hope > > where is a good place to buy a doubletalk lt?? > thanks in advance > randy turner > > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 41+ messages in thread
* Re: doubletalk lt ` doubletalk lt randy turner @ ` randy turner ` Gregory Nowak 1 sibling, 0 replies; 41+ messages in thread From: randy turner @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. >> hi all, >> i am going to try to upgrade to another computer >> it has no isa slots so i baught a pci serial card that should work, i hope >> >> where is a good place to buy a doubletalk lt?? >> thanks in advance >> randy turner >> >> >> > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 41+ messages in thread
* Re: doubletalk lt ` doubletalk lt randy turner ` randy turner @ ` Gregory Nowak ` randy turner 1 sibling, 1 reply; 41+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I think directly from rc systems would be the best choice. As far as I know, they're still selling those. http://www.rcsys.com Good luck. Greg On Wed, Nov 08, 2006 at 12:20:27PM -0600, randy turner wrote: > > > > > hi all, > > i am going to try to upgrade to another computer > > it has no isa slots so i baught a pci serial card that should work, i hope > > > > where is a good place to buy a doubletalk lt?? > > thanks in advance > > randy turner > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFUig97s9z/XlyUyARAn/OAKDdfo3viZU8yyk33Pp+T96yBcWUGQCeP2vN ouBKhqsnlUFwiPIVytW7TQg= =CGwt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 41+ messages in thread
* Re: doubletalk lt ` Gregory Nowak @ ` randy turner ` Gregory Nowak ` What's the advantage of a hardware synth? Jonathan Duddington 0 siblings, 2 replies; 41+ messages in thread From: randy turner @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. hi greg, do they still build any computers with the older isa slots? also has any company built any pci synths that will work in linux? what are the choices that are left for linux?? thanks in advance randy turner On Wed, 8 Nov 2006, Gregory Nowak wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I think directly from rc systems would be the best choice. As far as I > know, they're still selling those. > > http://www.rcsys.com > > Good luck. > > Greg > > > On Wed, Nov 08, 2006 at 12:20:27PM -0600, randy turner wrote: >> >> >> >>> hi all, >>> i am going to try to upgrade to another computer >>> it has no isa slots so i baught a pci serial card that should work, i hope >>> >>> where is a good place to buy a doubletalk lt?? >>> thanks in advance >>> randy turner >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > - -- > web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org > gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc > skype: gregn1 > (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) > > - -- > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFFUig97s9z/XlyUyARAn/OAKDdfo3viZU8yyk33Pp+T96yBcWUGQCeP2vN > ouBKhqsnlUFwiPIVytW7TQg= > =CGwt > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 41+ messages in thread
* Re: doubletalk lt ` randy turner @ ` Gregory Nowak ` John Heim ` What's the advantage of a hardware synth? Jonathan Duddington 1 sibling, 1 reply; 41+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Randy and all. I don't know if it is still possible to get a new pc with an isa slot. I doubt it, but I would be glad to be corrected by someone who knows for sure that some company out there still sells new machines with an isa slot. As I posted here not too long ago, a friend of mine told me that it is still possible to get a new motherboard today with an isa slot, but he says they're very expensive. Again, I don't know if this is actually true or not. If it is true, then even if a company like Del or Gateway doesn't build machines with an isa slot anymore, you could still get such a board, and build a machine with an isa slot yourself, or have someone else build it for you. As far as I know, the only pci synth out there today is the trippletalk, but I don't know if speakup drivers are in development for that or not. Greg On Wed, Nov 08, 2006 at 04:40:39PM -0600, randy turner wrote: > > hi greg, > do they still build any computers with the older isa slots? > also has any company built any pci synths that will work in linux? > what are the choices that are left for linux?? > thanks in advance > randy turner > > - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFUm2w7s9z/XlyUyARAjRyAKDGH5hBczg6MoJqBxJ3t9RMsIoIFwCfUgUt 0gpSWD0h3C//7yJ5ZrAJyHY= =mTWT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 41+ messages in thread
* Re: doubletalk lt ` Gregory Nowak @ ` John Heim ` randy turner 0 siblings, 1 reply; 41+ messages in thread From: John Heim @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. If you need a machine with an ISA slot, rather than buying a new machine, it might be a good idea to check a used computer store. The used computer store at the University of Wisconsin usually has several machines in the 900 Mhz to 1 Ghz range that have ISA slots. If you're running speakup wit a hardware synth, that's plenty fast. Maybe the used computer store at the UW is atypical but I doubt it. I suspect you can still get a used machine with ISA slots fairly easily and fairly cheaply. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 5:52 PM Subject: Re: doubletalk lt > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi Randy and all. > > I don't know if it is still possible to get a new pc with an isa > slot. I doubt it, but I would be glad to be corrected by someone who > knows for sure that some company out there still sells new machines > with an isa slot. As I posted here not too long ago, a friend of mine > told me that it is still possible to get a new motherboard today with an > isa slot, but he says they're very expensive. Again, I don't know if > this is actually true or not. If it is true, then even if a company > like Del or Gateway doesn't build machines with an isa slot anymore, > you could still get such a board, and build a machine with an isa slot > yourself, or have someone else build it for you. > > As far as I know, the only pci synth out there today is the > trippletalk, but I don't know if speakup drivers are in development > for that or not. > > Greg > > > On Wed, Nov 08, 2006 at 04:40:39PM -0600, randy turner wrote: >> >> hi greg, >> do they still build any computers with the older isa slots? >> also has any company built any pci synths that will work in linux? >> what are the choices that are left for linux?? >> thanks in advance >> randy turner >> >> > > > > > - -- > web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org > gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc > skype: gregn1 > (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) > > - -- > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFFUm2w7s9z/XlyUyARAjRyAKDGH5hBczg6MoJqBxJ3t9RMsIoIFwCfUgUt > 0gpSWD0h3C//7yJ5ZrAJyHY= > =mTWT > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 41+ messages in thread
* Re: doubletalk lt ` John Heim @ ` randy turner 0 siblings, 0 replies; 41+ messages in thread From: randy turner @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. hi john, sounds like a good idea if the price is right randy turner On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, John Heim wrote: > If you need a machine with an ISA slot, rather than buying a new machine, it > might be a good idea to check a used computer store. The used computer store > at the University of Wisconsin usually has several machines in the 900 Mhz > to 1 Ghz range that have ISA slots. If you're running speakup wit a hardware > synth, that's plenty fast. > > Maybe the used computer store at the UW is atypical but I doubt it. I > suspect you can still get a used machine with ISA slots fairly easily and > fairly cheaply. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 5:52 PM > Subject: Re: doubletalk lt > > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Hi Randy and all. >> >> I don't know if it is still possible to get a new pc with an isa >> slot. I doubt it, but I would be glad to be corrected by someone who >> knows for sure that some company out there still sells new machines >> with an isa slot. As I posted here not too long ago, a friend of mine >> told me that it is still possible to get a new motherboard today with an >> isa slot, but he says they're very expensive. Again, I don't know if >> this is actually true or not. If it is true, then even if a company >> like Del or Gateway doesn't build machines with an isa slot anymore, >> you could still get such a board, and build a machine with an isa slot >> yourself, or have someone else build it for you. >> >> As far as I know, the only pci synth out there today is the >> trippletalk, but I don't know if speakup drivers are in development >> for that or not. >> >> Greg >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 08, 2006 at 04:40:39PM -0600, randy turner wrote: >>> >>> hi greg, >>> do they still build any computers with the older isa slots? >>> also has any company built any pci synths that will work in linux? >>> what are the choices that are left for linux?? >>> thanks in advance >>> randy turner >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> - -- >> web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org >> gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc >> skype: gregn1 >> (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) >> >> - -- >> Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) >> >> iD8DBQFFUm2w7s9z/XlyUyARAjRyAKDGH5hBczg6MoJqBxJ3t9RMsIoIFwCfUgUt >> 0gpSWD0h3C//7yJ5ZrAJyHY= >> =mTWT >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 41+ messages in thread
* What's the advantage of a hardware synth? ` randy turner ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Jonathan Duddington ` Glenn at home ` (3 more replies) 1 sibling, 4 replies; 41+ messages in thread From: Jonathan Duddington @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. In article <Pine.LNX.4.64.0611081636470.1525@darkstar.example.net>, randy turner <rturner222@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > do they still build any computers with the older isa slots? > also has any company built any pci synths that will work in linux? > what are the choices that are left for linux?? I'm not visually impaired and I've not used a hardware synth myself, but I'm curious. What is the advantage of a hardware synth over a software synth? I can think of a few possibilities, but I'm curious which are true and are important for those who use or prefer hardware synths: 1. It doesn't affect the computer's sound system, which can therefore play other sounds unaffected by the TTS. This could probably be achieved for a software synth by using two sound cards. 2. System startup messages can be spoken before the point when the sound system and synth software is initialized and working. This would be overcome by the proposed "Spoken Boot" feature. 3. Problems with installing and setting up a software synth. 4. Prefer the sound of the hardware synth voice to those currently available with software synths. 5. Limitations of computer processor power or memory, although I doubt this is an issue now. 6. The hardware synth offers some feature not available in the software synths. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 41+ messages in thread
* Re: What's the advantage of a hardware synth? ` What's the advantage of a hardware synth? Jonathan Duddington @ ` Glenn at home ` Tyler Spivey ` randy turner ` What's the advantage of a hardware synth? Gregory Nowak ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 2 replies; 41+ messages in thread From: Glenn at home @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. The main reason is if the sound card doesn't work, we have the reliable synth to be working. I don't know if it can be compared to windows, but in windows, if we have to boot with no drivers, some internal speech cards would work with no drivers installed. And I do have a link to a 300+ dollar motherboard with an ISA slot. I think there are some less expensive ones out there, but they were limited to a slow bus speed, and a 2GB processor at best. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Duddington" <jsd@clara.co.uk> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 6:41 PM Subject: What's the advantage of a hardware synth? In article <Pine.LNX.4.64.0611081636470.1525@darkstar.example.net>, randy turner <rturner222@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > do they still build any computers with the older isa slots? > also has any company built any pci synths that will work in linux? > what are the choices that are left for linux?? I'm not visually impaired and I've not used a hardware synth myself, but I'm curious. What is the advantage of a hardware synth over a software synth? I can think of a few possibilities, but I'm curious which are true and are important for those who use or prefer hardware synths: 1. It doesn't affect the computer's sound system, which can therefore play other sounds unaffected by the TTS. This could probably be achieved for a software synth by using two sound cards. 2. System startup messages can be spoken before the point when the sound system and synth software is initialized and working. This would be overcome by the proposed "Spoken Boot" feature. 3. Problems with installing and setting up a software synth. 4. Prefer the sound of the hardware synth voice to those currently available with software synths. 5. Limitations of computer processor power or memory, although I doubt this is an issue now. 6. The hardware synth offers some feature not available in the software synths. _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 41+ messages in thread
* Re: What's the advantage of a hardware synth? ` Glenn at home @ ` Tyler Spivey ` randy turner 1 sibling, 0 replies; 41+ messages in thread From: Tyler Spivey @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The other advantage, I find, at least with my dectalk, is it can speak fast. I listen to speech pretty quickly, and espeak just can't get there. For example, http://tspivey.freeshell.org/speech.ogg is usually the rate I listen at when using windows. On Wed, Nov 08, 2006 at 06:50:16PM -0600, Glenn at home wrote: > The main reason is if the sound card doesn't work, we have the reliable > synth to be working. > I don't know if it can be compared to windows, but in windows, if we have to > boot with no drivers, some internal speech cards would work with no drivers > installed. > And I do have a link to a 300+ dollar motherboard with an ISA slot. > I think there are some less expensive ones out there, but they were limited > to a slow bus speed, and a 2GB processor at best. > Glenn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jonathan Duddington" <jsd@clara.co.uk> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 6:41 PM > Subject: What's the advantage of a hardware synth? > > > In article <Pine.LNX.4.64.0611081636470.1525@darkstar.example.net>, > randy turner <rturner222@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > > do they still build any computers with the older isa slots? > > also has any company built any pci synths that will work in linux? > > what are the choices that are left for linux?? > > I'm not visually impaired and I've not used a hardware synth myself, > but I'm curious. What is the advantage of a hardware synth over a > software synth? > > I can think of a few possibilities, but I'm curious which are true and > are important for those who use or prefer hardware synths: > > 1. It doesn't affect the computer's sound system, which can therefore > play other sounds unaffected by the TTS. This could probably be > achieved for a software synth by using two sound cards. > > 2. System startup messages can be spoken before the point when the > sound system and synth software is initialized and working. This would > be overcome by the proposed "Spoken Boot" feature. > > 3. Problems with installing and setting up a software synth. > > 4. Prefer the sound of the hardware synth voice to those currently > available with software synths. > > 5. Limitations of computer processor power or memory, although I doubt > this is an issue now. > > 6. The hardware synth offers some feature not available in the > software synths. > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFUnyZTsjaYASMWKQRAq12AJsEU/+ChDJ2Tdkn3psMj1sF+ccF9QCfTbiA D+XqbkAtNlVnSlsCGnRLZR8= =TDqZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 41+ messages in thread
* Re: What's the advantage of a hardware synth? ` Glenn at home ` Tyler Spivey @ ` randy turner ` Install w/o hardware synth (Re: What's the advantage of a hardware synth?) John Heim 1 sibling, 1 reply; 41+ messages in thread From: randy turner @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Glenn at home, Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. hi glenn, can you give me the link to the isa computers? also does anybody know of a document that explanes how to install linux from scratch using just a sound card for there speach? say that you had a formatted drive with nothing on it now if you have a doubletalk you just put in the install cd and type speakup.s speakup_synth=dtlk is there anything simular if you just had a sound card? thanks in advance randy turner On Wed, 8 Nov 2006, Glenn at home wrote: > The main reason is if the sound card doesn't work, we have the reliable > synth to be working. > I don't know if it can be compared to windows, but in windows, if we have to > boot with no drivers, some internal speech cards would work with no drivers > installed. > And I do have a link to a 300+ dollar motherboard with an ISA slot. > I think there are some less expensive ones out there, but they were limited > to a slow bus speed, and a 2GB processor at best. > Glenn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jonathan Duddington" <jsd@clara.co.uk> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 6:41 PM > Subject: What's the advantage of a hardware synth? > > > In article <Pine.LNX.4.64.0611081636470.1525@darkstar.example.net>, > randy turner <rturner222@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> do they still build any computers with the older isa slots? >> also has any company built any pci synths that will work in linux? >> what are the choices that are left for linux?? > > I'm not visually impaired and I've not used a hardware synth myself, > but I'm curious. What is the advantage of a hardware synth over a > software synth? > > I can think of a few possibilities, but I'm curious which are true and > are important for those who use or prefer hardware synths: > > 1. It doesn't affect the computer's sound system, which can therefore > play other sounds unaffected by the TTS. This could probably be > achieved for a software synth by using two sound cards. > > 2. System startup messages can be spoken before the point when the > sound system and synth software is initialized and working. This would > be overcome by the proposed "Spoken Boot" feature. > > 3. Problems with installing and setting up a software synth. > > 4. Prefer the sound of the hardware synth voice to those currently > available with software synths. > > 5. Limitations of computer processor power or memory, although I doubt > this is an issue now. > > 6. The hardware synth offers some feature not available in the > software synths. > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 41+ messages in thread
* Install w/o hardware synth (Re: What's the advantage of a hardware synth?) ` randy turner @ ` John Heim 0 siblings, 0 replies; 41+ messages in thread From: John Heim @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. About your second question -- installing with just a sound card (ie w/o a hardware synth). I will bet that you can do it simply by booting with a grml CD and using the grml installler grml2hd. I would try that first. I haven't actually done that though. Something that I know will work because I've done it is to boot from a knoppix modified cd and then manually doing each installation step., fdisk, debootstrap, etc. I haven't actually done this in a while, but what you can do is boot from the speakup modified knoppix CD at ftp://mirror.services.wisc.edu/mirrors/linux/distributions/speakup/disks/knoppix/KNOPPIX-speakup-V3.4-20040714.iso Then follow the instructions at this page: http://www.inittab.de/manuals/debootstrap.html That would probably be the hard way. But I know it will work. ----- Original Message ----- From: "randy turner" <rturner222@sbcglobal.net> To: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>; "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 2:11 PM Subject: Re: What's the advantage of a hardware synth? > > hi glenn, > can you give me the link to the isa computers? > also does anybody know of a document > that explanes how to install linux from scratch using just a sound card > for there speach? > say that you had a formatted drive with nothing on it > now if you have a doubletalk you just put in the install cd and type > speakup.s speakup_synth=dtlk > is there anything simular if you just had a sound card? > thanks in advance > randy turner > > > > On Wed, 8 Nov 2006, Glenn at home wrote: > >> The main reason is if the sound card doesn't work, we have the reliable >> synth to be working. >> I don't know if it can be compared to windows, but in windows, if we have >> to >> boot with no drivers, some internal speech cards would work with no >> drivers >> installed. >> And I do have a link to a 300+ dollar motherboard with an ISA slot. >> I think there are some less expensive ones out there, but they were >> limited >> to a slow bus speed, and a 2GB processor at best. >> Glenn >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jonathan Duddington" <jsd@clara.co.uk> >> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." >> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 6:41 PM >> Subject: What's the advantage of a hardware synth? >> >> >> In article <Pine.LNX.4.64.0611081636470.1525@darkstar.example.net>, >> randy turner <rturner222@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> >>> do they still build any computers with the older isa slots? >>> also has any company built any pci synths that will work in linux? >>> what are the choices that are left for linux?? >> >> I'm not visually impaired and I've not used a hardware synth myself, >> but I'm curious. What is the advantage of a hardware synth over a >> software synth? >> >> I can think of a few possibilities, but I'm curious which are true and >> are important for those who use or prefer hardware synths: >> >> 1. It doesn't affect the computer's sound system, which can therefore >> play other sounds unaffected by the TTS. This could probably be >> achieved for a software synth by using two sound cards. >> >> 2. System startup messages can be spoken before the point when the >> sound system and synth software is initialized and working. This would >> be overcome by the proposed "Spoken Boot" feature. >> >> 3. Problems with installing and setting up a software synth. >> >> 4. Prefer the sound of the hardware synth voice to those currently >> available with software synths. >> >> 5. Limitations of computer processor power or memory, although I doubt >> this is an issue now. >> >> 6. The hardware synth offers some feature not available in the >> software synths. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 41+ messages in thread
* Re: What's the advantage of a hardware synth? ` What's the advantage of a hardware synth? Jonathan Duddington ` Glenn at home @ ` Gregory Nowak ` David Csercsics ` Nick G 3 siblings, 0 replies; 41+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 My personal opinion on the subject is as follows. On Thu, Nov 09, 2006 at 12:41:17AM +0000, Jonathan Duddington wrote: > 1. It doesn't affect the computer's sound system, which can therefore > play other sounds unaffected by the TTS. This could probably be > achieved for a software synth by using two sound cards. > I feel that this isn't really an issue anymore, especially now that dmix is available under alsa, providing a software mixer for sound cards that aren't multichannel. > 2. System startup messages can be spoken before the point when the > sound system and synth software is initialized and working. This would > be overcome by the proposed "Spoken Boot" feature. > I'd say this is the greatest advantage of a hardware synth for me. Not only for speaking startup messages, but also giving you speech all the way until reboot/shutdown, which isn't possible with software speech yet, since the processes responsible for providing software speech get killed as part of the shutdown procedure. Arguably, this isn't as important as the startup messages, but I still like to know at times exactly what my system is doing as part of the shutdown process. Also, from what I understand, spoken boot would be prerecorded sound files, letting you know the progress during startup. If that's what they would be, then they still wouldn't replace the combination of speakup and a hardware synth, when it comes to informing the user as to what exactly is happening, by giving the user all the details that a sighted user gets, once speakup loads. > 3. Problems with installing and setting up a software synth. > Yes. While the procedure isn't too difficult to replicate once you've been through it for the first time, I feel that it isn't a walk in the park for someone doing it for the first time, even if that person has a wealth of experience in working on linux, or even unix systems. > 4. Prefer the sound of the hardware synth voice to those currently > available with software synths. > This isn't as true as the above reasons. I'm sure I wouldn't be the only one to say that some hardware synths have a worse speech quality then espeak does for example. On the other hand, being able to choose between the use of a doubletalk pc, an accent pc (at least before it died on me), a braille 'n speak, and festival/flite/espeak via software speech, I still prefer the doubletalk hands down. The speech of synthesizers is a highly personal preference though, so I wouldn't be too surprised if someone responded to this saying that he/she absolutely hates the doubletalk speech. > 5. Limitations of computer processor power or memory, although I doubt > this is an issue now. > I'd agree, though see reason 7 below your quoted reasons. > 6. The hardware synth offers some feature not available in the > software synths. Well, I guess you could say this is true for the doubletalk at least, both pc and lt models. The doubletalk can play pcm files, play music via a tone generator, generate dtmf tones, like those used in dialing telephones, and it also has prerecorded word lists in I believe both male, and female voices. Finally, it can act as a playback-only soundcard under win9x systems. Admittedly, I don't remember the last time I even played with any of these features, but the fact is that they are there, and that no software synth currently has these features, as far as I know. 7. Responsiveness. This partly relates to reason 5 above. I wouldn't say that a serial synth is more responsive then a software synth, (I think they're about equal, though espeak/speechd-up/speech-dispatcher is probably more responsive then a serial synth). However, I do think a synth like the doubletalk pc for example, is more responsive then a serial, or software synth. I think this has to do with the fact that it is connected to the machine via an internal isa slot, has its own RAM, and has its own processor. I think that this however can't be said for all internal synths, because my opinion for example is that the accent pc, another isa synth, isn't as responsive as the doubletalk pc is. As far as I know, the accentt pc doesn't have its own CPU and RAM, and it is definitely an older technology than the doubletalk pc is. Greg - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFUocF7s9z/XlyUyARAn4HAJ9KyMKYCJyM3oG3O4GVphEyKjpWBwCg1m/z hwej2MFzTypYdPkBRiWRQ7U= =VCq0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 41+ messages in thread
* Re: What's the advantage of a hardware synth? ` What's the advantage of a hardware synth? Jonathan Duddington ` Glenn at home ` What's the advantage of a hardware synth? Gregory Nowak @ ` David Csercsics ` Nick G 3 siblings, 0 replies; 41+ messages in thread From: David Csercsics @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. >I'm not visually impaired and I've not used a hardware synth myself, >but I'm curious. What is the advantage of a hardware synth over a >software synth? > >I can think of a few possibilities, but I'm curious which are true and >are important for those who use or prefer hardware synths: > >1. It doesn't affect the computer's sound system, which can therefore >play other sounds unaffected by the TTS. This could probably be >achieved for a software synth by using two sound cards. Not that easily since you'd have to use 2 sets of speakers or a mixer which could be done but would be a bit awkward. Using headphones for speech and putting other stuff through speakers would be an option but a hardware synth just takes care of all that for you. > >2. System startup messages can be spoken before the point when the >sound system and synth software is initialized and working. This would >be overcome by the proposed "Spoken Boot" feature. Not entirely unless you propose to have the spoken boot feature speak every kernel message. > >3. Problems with installing and setting up a software synth. > Yep. This is a big one. If you're using software speech only and the software has a bug or something that causes it not to work you can get yourself into a situation where you have no speech. Having the kernel handle the speech has the advantage that you know what's going on unless the kernel is hosed which means that you would know that too. In the case of gnome there are several things that could potentially cause you to lose speech and if you're relying on software speech you can be in a pickle. That said, speechd-up and speech-dispatcher seem to be quite stable with espeak on my laptop which I cannot hook a hardware synth to. So I can usually drop to a text console to fix things if gnome screws up. There's also the issue of every live CD on the planet detecting the wrong soundcard at boot so I have to crawl behind the desk and temporarily use the onboard sound card to run things like the Ubuntu live CD. There should be a boot option to force the module of your choice to be used for sound. We also run into the issue that gnome doesn't seem to let you use multiple sound sources for different things. >4. Prefer the sound of the hardware synth voice to those currently >available with software synths. Yep. I really like the DoubleTalk voices! I'm sure others like their favourite synth voices as well. I like the ESpeak voice too but it doesn't speak as fast as my DoubleTalk LT. > >5. Limitations of computer processor power or memory, although I doubt >this is an issue now. Not much of an issue with something like Espeak but if you try to run Festival on older hardware you'll hit huge processing issues. > >6. The hardware synth offers some feature not available in the >software synths. Yep. Speed! Software synths don't speak or respond as fast as something like a DoubleTalk. If your system is under load your speech will be adversely affected since it's just another process. Also the kernel preempt code doesn't play well with software speech so you add latency to the system as a whole since you need to disable it for software speech to work correctly. This is about all I can think of right now but I may come up with more later. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 41+ messages in thread
* Re: What's the advantage of a hardware synth? ` What's the advantage of a hardware synth? Jonathan Duddington ` (2 preceding siblings ...) ` David Csercsics @ ` Nick G ` Ari Moisio ` Janina Sajka 3 siblings, 2 replies; 41+ messages in thread From: Nick G @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Jonathan, it's number 6, really, that being the abbility to install linux without eyes. The current technical limitations have it that way that the linux distributions need to be installed with a hardware synth because I don't believe Alsa loads on most isolinux instalation media, though correct me if I'm wrong. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Duddington" <jsd@clara.co.uk> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 7:41 PM Subject: What's the advantage of a hardware synth? > In article <Pine.LNX.4.64.0611081636470.1525@darkstar.example.net>, > randy turner <rturner222@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> do they still build any computers with the older isa slots? >> also has any company built any pci synths that will work in linux? >> what are the choices that are left for linux?? > > I'm not visually impaired and I've not used a hardware synth myself, > but I'm curious. What is the advantage of a hardware synth over a > software synth? > > I can think of a few possibilities, but I'm curious which are true and > are important for those who use or prefer hardware synths: > > 1. It doesn't affect the computer's sound system, which can therefore > play other sounds unaffected by the TTS. This could probably be > achieved for a software synth by using two sound cards. > > 2. System startup messages can be spoken before the point when the > sound system and synth software is initialized and working. This would > be overcome by the proposed "Spoken Boot" feature. > > 3. Problems with installing and setting up a software synth. > > 4. Prefer the sound of the hardware synth voice to those currently > available with software synths. > > 5. Limitations of computer processor power or memory, although I doubt > this is an issue now. > > 6. The hardware synth offers some feature not available in the > software synths. > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 41+ messages in thread
* Re: What's the advantage of a hardware synth? ` Nick G @ ` Ari Moisio ` Janina Sajka 1 sibling, 0 replies; 41+ messages in thread From: Ari Moisio @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi It is not necessary at all to have hardware synth to install LInux. I have made several installations with serial console. this does not require specially tailored distributions. I also have serial console enabled if something goes wrong during the bootup. External synths have their advances but IMO they are not worth fo their price. -- arimo On Wed, 8 Nov 2006, Nick G wrote: > Jonathan, it's number 6, really, that being the abbility to install linux > without eyes. The current technical limitations have it that way that the > linux distributions need to be installed with a hardware synth because I > don't believe Alsa loads on most isolinux instalation media, though correct > me if I'm wrong. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jonathan Duddington" <jsd@clara.co.uk> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 7:41 PM > Subject: What's the advantage of a hardware synth? > > >> In article <Pine.LNX.4.64.0611081636470.1525@darkstar.example.net>, >> randy turner <rturner222@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> >>> do they still build any computers with the older isa slots? >>> also has any company built any pci synths that will work in linux? >>> what are the choices that are left for linux?? >> >> I'm not visually impaired and I've not used a hardware synth myself, >> but I'm curious. What is the advantage of a hardware synth over a >> software synth? >> >> I can think of a few possibilities, but I'm curious which are true and >> are important for those who use or prefer hardware synths: >> >> 1. It doesn't affect the computer's sound system, which can therefore >> play other sounds unaffected by the TTS. This could probably be >> achieved for a software synth by using two sound cards. >> >> 2. System startup messages can be spoken before the point when the >> sound system and synth software is initialized and working. This would >> be overcome by the proposed "Spoken Boot" feature. >> >> 3. Problems with installing and setting up a software synth. >> >> 4. Prefer the sound of the hardware synth voice to those currently >> available with software synths. >> >> 5. Limitations of computer processor power or memory, although I doubt >> this is an issue now. >> >> 6. The hardware synth offers some feature not available in the >> software synths. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 41+ messages in thread
* Re: What's the advantage of a hardware synth? ` Nick G ` Ari Moisio @ ` Janina Sajka ` randy turner ` (2 more replies) 1 sibling, 3 replies; 41+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. OK, My 2 cents (American) below: > From: "Jonathan Duddington" <jsd@clara.co.uk> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 7:41 PM > Subject: What's the advantage of a hardware synth? > > > > In article <Pine.LNX.4.64.0611081636470.1525@darkstar.example.net>, > > randy turner <rturner222@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > > >> do they still build any computers with the older isa slots? I'm not aware of any. > >> also has any company built any pci synths that will work in linux? The TripleTalk PCI should, but doesn't, as far as I'm aware. This should get fixed. > >> what are the choices that are left for linux?? TripleTalk USB/Serial and DEC-Talk USB/Serial. The serial ports work currently. The USB ports can be expected to work eventually. > > > > I'm not visually impaired and I've not used a hardware synth myself, > > but I'm curious. What is the advantage of a hardware synth over a > > software synth? > > > > I can think of a few possibilities, but I'm curious which are true and > > are important for those who use or prefer hardware synths: > > > > 1. It doesn't affect the computer's sound system, which can therefore > > play other sounds unaffected by the TTS. This could probably be > > achieved for a software synth by using two sound cards. Or by appropriate use of alsa dmix, now the default. However, there are situations were you want to insure the TTS never makes it into the audio mix, such as audio/music work. > > > > 2. System startup messages can be spoken before the point when the > > sound system and synth software is initialized and working. This would > > be overcome by the proposed "Spoken Boot" feature. OK, I'm behind. I haven't seen the proposal. What concerns me is the supposition that sufficient system resources are available for the proposal to function. Speakup plus hw synth starts extremely early in the boot process and, as such, is ideal for debugging early fatal problems--even if I must launch via /bin/sh, which I've sometimes had to do. > > > > 3. Problems with installing and setting up a software synth. > > > > 4. Prefer the sound of the hardware synth voice to those currently > > available with software synths. > > > > 5. Limitations of computer processor power or memory, although I doubt > > this is an issue now. > > > > 6. The hardware synth offers some feature not available in the > > software synths. System installation is one such, though the Ubuntu installer can obviate this somewhat. Janina > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka Phone: +1.202.595.7777 Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada--Go to http://ScreenlessPhone.Com to learn more. Chair, Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG) janina@freestandards.org http://a11y.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 41+ messages in thread
* Re: What's the advantage of a hardware synth? ` Janina Sajka @ ` randy turner ` randy turner ` startech serial card randy turner 2 siblings, 0 replies; 41+ messages in thread From: randy turner @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. hi Janina i thought that we could not get the code for the tripletalk pci?? do you have an update on that? thanks in advance randy turner ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 41+ messages in thread
* Re: What's the advantage of a hardware synth? ` Janina Sajka ` randy turner @ ` randy turner ` startech serial card randy turner 2 siblings, 0 replies; 41+ messages in thread From: randy turner @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. thanks to all who answered my questions happy holidays to all. randy turner ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 41+ messages in thread
* startech serial card ` Janina Sajka ` randy turner ` randy turner @ ` randy turner ` Gregory Nowak ` Janina Sajka 2 siblings, 2 replies; 41+ messages in thread From: randy turner @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. hi all, does speakup work with pci rs232 serial cards? the manual says that it will work in linux my guess is that i might need to load a driver before i load speakup? any ideas on how to do this? thanks in advance randy turner ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 41+ messages in thread
* Re: startech serial card ` startech serial card randy turner @ ` Gregory Nowak ` randy turner ` Janina Sajka 1 sibling, 1 reply; 41+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I'm not familiar with that card, but from your description, I don't see why it shouldn't work. Have you tried it? If it doesn't work, does lspci show the card? Does dmesg give you any information? What is your serial configuration like in the kernel? Do you have your serial synth built into the kernel, and configured as the default? If yes, try building it as a module, loading it that way, and seeing what happens. Does your motherboard have built-in serial ports? Again, try this only if you've tried your card, and it doesn't work. If you haven't even tried the card, then just pop it in, and with luck, your serial synth should start speaking the boot messages if everything is configured properly. Greg On Sun, Nov 12, 2006 at 04:52:38PM -0600, randy turner wrote: > > hi all, > does speakup work with pci rs232 serial cards? > the manual says that it will work in linux > my guess is that i might need to load a driver > before i load speakup? > > any ideas on how to do this? > thanks in advance > randy turner > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFV7kB7s9z/XlyUyARAgZ4AKCAxBBpWpW/dJOtmvWuVfCdWjUrrQCgjgS5 DKFklnIO+QH06YaR175eSIA= =Z0SD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 41+ messages in thread
* Re: startech serial card ` Gregory Nowak @ ` randy turner ` Gregory Nowak ` Chuck Hallenbeck 0 siblings, 2 replies; 41+ messages in thread From: randy turner @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. hi Greg, i am trying to get speech up on a computer that has no other serial ports or isa slot i am using speakup.s for the bootup disk i am using an older litetalk when i installed the card i had a friend check to see if it was there using windows it shows up as com 1 my question is does speakup.s support a pci serial card in the speakup.s kernel? i am using slackware i have tried the install disk and the slackware cd with the cd i type speakup.s speakup_synth=ltlk when i install from the floppy i type ramdisk speakup_synth=ltlk my question is does speakup.s need another pci serial driver for this to work? they say that it should work in linux but i have searched on google and looked at the cd that came with it and can't find a linux driver for it. have you used other pci serial cards?? if so what does the kernel need to support them? thanks in advance randy turner On Sun, 12 Nov 2006, Gregory Nowak wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I'm not familiar with that card, but from your description, I don't > see why it shouldn't work. Have you tried it? If it doesn't work, does > lspci show the card? Does dmesg give you any information? What is your > serial configuration like in the kernel? Do you have your serial synth > built into the kernel, and configured as the default? If yes, try > building it as a module, loading it that way, and seeing what > happens. Does your motherboard have built-in serial ports? > > Again, try this only if you've tried your card, and it doesn't > work. If you haven't even tried the card, then just pop it in, and > with luck, your serial synth should start speaking the boot messages > if everything is configured properly. > > Greg > > > On Sun, Nov 12, 2006 at 04:52:38PM -0600, randy turner wrote: >> >> hi all, >> does speakup work with pci rs232 serial cards? >> the manual says that it will work in linux >> my guess is that i might need to load a driver >> before i load speakup? >> >> any ideas on how to do this? >> thanks in advance >> randy turner >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > - -- > web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org > gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc > skype: gregn1 > (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) > > - -- > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFFV7kB7s9z/XlyUyARAgZ4AKCAxBBpWpW/dJOtmvWuVfCdWjUrrQCgjgS5 > DKFklnIO+QH06YaR175eSIA= > =Z0SD > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 41+ messages in thread
* Re: startech serial card ` randy turner @ ` Gregory Nowak ` randy turner ` Chuck Hallenbeck 1 sibling, 1 reply; 41+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Nov 12, 2006 at 07:16:51PM -0600, randy turner wrote: > my question is does speakup.s > support a pci serial card in the speakup.s kernel? > I don't know, but again, I don't see why it shouldn't. > i have tried the install disk and the slackware cd > with the cd i type speakup.s speakup_synth=ltlk > when i install from the floppy i type > ramdisk speakup_synth=ltlk What happens when you do that? Your message implies that you get no speech, but you don't actually state this explicitly. > my question is does speakup.s need another pci serial driver for this to > work? > > they say that it should work in linux I don't know, but I don't see why it should. > have you used other pci serial cards??> if so what does the kernel need to support them? > The only pci serial card I've used is an actual modern hardware modem. In the earlier kernels, it needed serial irq sharing enabled, the many ports option enabled and it showed up as /dev/ttyS4. From what I can recall, it still does need those options in the kernel, but now shows up as /dev/ttyS1 in a system with only one on-board serial port. It might be possible that your card is showing up as something higher then /dev/ttyS3, in which case, speakup won't talk to it, unless you modify the speakup code. Until I know what dmesg says about your serial configuration, if anything, I'm not sure what else I can tell you. Sorry I can't be of much help, maybe someone else would be able to tell you more. Greg - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFV+2Z7s9z/XlyUyARAlcLAKCCc4djVhpIonfsX4iAhvPx0JHDkgCcDScj euoWiTRnjf+fBedo8lse7AQ= =yAgV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 41+ messages in thread
* Re: startech serial card ` Gregory Nowak @ ` randy turner 0 siblings, 0 replies; 41+ messages in thread From: randy turner @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. hi Greg, nope not getting any speech at all. and because i can't get linux installed on this computer i can't run the dmesg or the lspci command. i might just have to buy a computer with a serial port allready installed. thanks for the support anyway. randy turner On Sun, 12 Nov 2006, Gregory Nowak wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Sun, Nov 12, 2006 at 07:16:51PM -0600, randy turner wrote: >> my question is does speakup.s >> support a pci serial card in the speakup.s kernel? >> > > I don't know, but again, I don't see why it shouldn't. > >> i have tried the install disk and the slackware cd >> with the cd i type speakup.s speakup_synth=ltlk >> when i install from the floppy i type >> ramdisk speakup_synth=ltlk > > What happens when you do that? Your message implies that you get no > speech, but you don't actually state this explicitly. > >> my question is does speakup.s need another pci serial driver for this to >> work? >> >> they say that it should work in linux > > I don't know, but I don't see why it should. > >> have you used other pci serial cards??> if so what does the kernel need to support them? >> > > The only pci serial card I've used is an actual modern hardware > modem. In the earlier kernels, it needed serial irq sharing enabled, the > many ports option enabled and it showed up as /dev/ttyS4. From what I > can recall, it still does need those options in the kernel, but now > shows up as /dev/ttyS1 in a system with only one on-board serial > port. It might be > possible that your card is showing up as something higher then > /dev/ttyS3, in which case, speakup won't talk to it, unless you modify > the speakup code. > > Until I know what dmesg says about your serial configuration, if > anything, I'm not sure what else I can tell you. Sorry I can't be of > much help, maybe someone else would be able to tell you more. > > Greg > > > > > > - -- > web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org > gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc > skype: gregn1 > (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) > > - -- > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFFV+2Z7s9z/XlyUyARAlcLAKCCc4djVhpIonfsX4iAhvPx0JHDkgCcDScj > euoWiTRnjf+fBedo8lse7AQ= > =yAgV > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 41+ messages in thread
* Re: startech serial card ` randy turner ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Chuck Hallenbeck ` Willem van der Walt ` randy turner 1 sibling, 2 replies; 41+ messages in thread From: Chuck Hallenbeck @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Randy, Greg, The card should not need any special driver, but if it comes up in Linux as tty4, you have a problem. Speakup only probes for the first four serial ports, tty0 through tty3, so it will not work with a serial port at tty4. Chuck -- The Moon is Waning Crescent (43% of Full) Only 10 kinds of people: those who do binary, and those who do not. But you can get a few downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 41+ messages in thread
* Re: startech serial card ` Chuck Hallenbeck @ ` Willem van der Walt ` Luke Yelavich ` randy turner 1 sibling, 1 reply; 41+ messages in thread From: Willem van der Walt @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Would creating a device with the major and minor numbers of ttyS4, but with the name ttyS3 not solve the problem? On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote: > Randy, Greg, > > The card should not need any special driver, but if it comes up in Linux > as tty4, you have a problem. Speakup only probes for the first four > serial ports, tty0 through tty3, so it will not work with a serial port > at tty4. > > Chuck > > -- > The Moon is Waning Crescent (43% of Full) > Only 10 kinds of people: those who do binary, and those who do not. > But you can get a few downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- This message is subject to the CSIR's copyright, terms and conditions and e-mail legal notice. Views expressed herein do not necessarily represent the views of the CSIR. CSIR E-mail Legal Notice http://mail.csir.co.za/CSIR_eMail_Legal_Notice.html CSIR Copyright, Terms and Conditions http://mail.csir.co.za/CSIR_Copyright.html For electronic copies of the CSIR Copyright, Terms and Conditions and the CSIR Legal Notice send a blank message with REQUEST LEGAL in the subject line to CallCentre@csir.co.za. This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. MailScanner thanks Transtec Computers for their support. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 41+ messages in thread
* Re: startech serial card ` Willem van der Walt @ ` Luke Yelavich ` randy turner 0 siblings, 1 reply; 41+ messages in thread From: Luke Yelavich @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 10:44:55PM EST, Willem van der Walt wrote: > Would creating a device with the major and minor numbers of ttyS4, but > with the name ttyS3 not solve the problem? No, unfortunately not. Speakup talks to the UARTs on serial ports directly, bypassing the kernel serial and tty subsystem. And it is this fact that I fear may be a problem with the PCI card. I don't think it will work with speakup at all. If you have other serial ports, what I'd do is move one device off one of those onto the PCI serial card, and put the synth on one of the serial ports on the main motherboard. I say this because a PCI serial card is very likely not to have been assigned standard I/O and IRQ settings of a normal serial port. hth - -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) Email & MSN: themuso@themuso.com Jabber: themuso@jabber.org.au -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFWF5YjVefwtBjIM4RAuGQAJ4y652Gqj1Lvt0bMuvH8X2Ug4D/XwCgz5Mw mKsF++EjvVsG8om0LTz3s68= =tmYY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 41+ messages in thread
* Re: startech serial card ` Luke Yelavich @ ` randy turner ` Chuck Hallenbeck 0 siblings, 1 reply; 41+ messages in thread From: randy turner @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. hi luke this computer has one modem, and no serial ports, i put a startech serial port in my synth that i am using on this computer is a litetalk i wonder if the builtin modem is causing problems for the startech serial card? randy turner On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, Luke Yelavich wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 10:44:55PM EST, Willem van der Walt wrote: >> Would creating a device with the major and minor numbers of ttyS4, but >> with the name ttyS3 not solve the problem? > > No, unfortunately not. Speakup talks to the UARTs on serial ports > directly, bypassing the kernel serial and tty subsystem. > > And it is this fact that I fear may be a problem with the PCI card. I > don't think it will work with speakup at all. > > If you have other serial ports, what I'd do is move one device off one > of those onto the PCI serial card, and put the synth on one of the > serial ports on the main motherboard. I say this because a PCI serial > card is very likely not to have been assigned standard I/O and IRQ > settings of a normal serial port. > > hth > - -- > Luke Yelavich > GPG key: 0xD06320CE > (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) > Email & MSN: themuso@themuso.com > Jabber: themuso@jabber.org.au > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFFWF5YjVefwtBjIM4RAuGQAJ4y652Gqj1Lvt0bMuvH8X2Ug4D/XwCgz5Mw > mKsF++EjvVsG8om0LTz3s68= > =tmYY > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 41+ messages in thread
* Re: startech serial card ` randy turner @ ` Chuck Hallenbeck ` randy turner 0 siblings, 1 reply; 41+ messages in thread From: Chuck Hallenbeck @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Randy, I doubt if removing the modem will help. I recently had a computer with one built-in serial port and a second serial port on a PCI card such as yours. I wanted to have a refreshable braille display and an external synthesizer on the box, and the only way to get the synthesizer to be recognized was to put it on the built-in port. The braille display worked either way, but the synthesizer only worked on the built-in port. My guess is that without any built-in serial ports, you can forget about installing with speakup. Chuck -- The Moon is Waning Crescent (42% of Full) Only 10 kinds of people: those who do binary, and those who do not. But you can get a few downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 41+ messages in thread
* Re: startech serial card ` Chuck Hallenbeck @ ` randy turner ` Chuck Hallenbeck 0 siblings, 1 reply; 41+ messages in thread From: randy turner @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. hi chuck i guess if it isn't allready built in speakup just isn't going to see it. so i have two questions for all of you. how far are we from usb support with speakup? and the second question is where can i buy a computer that will work with speakup?? thanks to all randy turner On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote: > Randy, > > I doubt if removing the modem will help. I recently had a computer with > one built-in serial port and a second serial port on a PCI card such as > yours. I wanted to have a refreshable braille display and an external > synthesizer on the box, and the only way to get the synthesizer to be > recognized was to put it on the built-in port. The braille display > worked either way, but the synthesizer only worked on the built-in port. > My guess is that without any built-in serial ports, you can forget about > installing with speakup. > > Chuck > > -- > The Moon is Waning Crescent (42% of Full) > Only 10 kinds of people: those who do binary, and those who do not. > But you can get a few downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 41+ messages in thread
* Re: startech serial card ` randy turner @ ` Chuck Hallenbeck ` randy turner 0 siblings, 1 reply; 41+ messages in thread From: Chuck Hallenbeck @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I can't answer the question about the USB driver, but it should not be difficult to find a computer with a serial port on the motherboard. I just bought a new computer with a very nearly state-of-the-art motherboard, that came with a serial port on the motherboard. Laptops might be a different story though, or so I understand. Chuck On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 09:01:09AM -0600, randy turner wrote: > > hi chuck > i guess if it isn't all ready built in speakup just isn't going to see it. > so i have two questions for all of you. > how far are we from usb support with speakup? > and the second question is > where can i buy a computer that will work with speakup?? > thanks to all > randy turner > > > > > > > On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote: > > > Randy, > > > > I doubt if removing the modem will help. I recently had a computer with > > one built-in serial port and a second serial port on a PCI card such as > > yours. I wanted to have a refreshable braille display and an external > > synthesizer on the box, and the only way to get the synthesizer to be > > recognized was to put it on the built-in port. The braille display > > worked either way, but the synthesizer only worked on the built-in port. > > My guess is that without any built-in serial ports, you can forget about > > installing with speakup. > > > > Chuck > > > > -- > > The Moon is Waning Crescent (42% of Full) > > Only 10 kinds of people: those who do binary, and those who do not. > > But you can get a few downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- The Moon is Waning Crescent (42% of Full) Only 10 kinds of people: those who do binary, and those who do not. But you can get a few downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 41+ messages in thread
* Re: startech serial card ` Chuck Hallenbeck @ ` randy turner ` Chuck Hallenbeck 0 siblings, 1 reply; 41+ messages in thread From: randy turner @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. hi chuck, what brand of computer do i need to be looking at? i just want a desktop computer randy turner On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote: > I can't answer the question about the USB driver, but it should not be > difficult to find a computer with a serial port on the motherboard. I > just bought a new computer with a very nearly state-of-the-art > motherboard, that came with a serial port on the motherboard. Laptops > might be a different story though, or so I understand. > > Chuck > > > On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 09:01:09AM -0600, randy turner wrote: >> >> hi chuck >> i guess if it isn't all ready built in speakup just isn't going to see it. >> so i have two questions for all of you. >> how far are we from usb support with speakup? >> and the second question is >> where can i buy a computer that will work with speakup?? >> thanks to all >> randy turner >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote: >> >>> Randy, >>> >>> I doubt if removing the modem will help. I recently had a computer with >>> one built-in serial port and a second serial port on a PCI card such as >>> yours. I wanted to have a refreshable braille display and an external >>> synthesizer on the box, and the only way to get the synthesizer to be >>> recognized was to put it on the built-in port. The braille display >>> worked either way, but the synthesizer only worked on the built-in port. >>> My guess is that without any built-in serial ports, you can forget about >>> installing with speakup. >>> >>> Chuck >>> >>> -- >>> The Moon is Waning Crescent (42% of Full) >>> Only 10 kinds of people: those who do binary, and those who do not. >>> But you can get a few downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Speakup mailing list >>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > -- > The Moon is Waning Crescent (42% of Full) > Only 10 kinds of people: those who do binary, and those who do not. > But you can get a few downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 41+ messages in thread
* Re: startech serial card ` randy turner @ ` Chuck Hallenbeck ` randy turner 0 siblings, 1 reply; 41+ messages in thread From: Chuck Hallenbeck @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I didn't buy a brand name, I had someone put one together for me. The motherboard is the critical component, and most Intel motherboards will work fine. The newer ones might require newer kernels. Others here would have better recommendations than this, but I would be biased against buying a brand name that might come with Windows already installed. No point paying for an OS you might not need. Also, the brand names are more likely to have components that do not support Linux, i.e. components whose specs are held in secrecy. Chuck On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 11:33:33AM -0600, randy turner wrote: > hi chuck, > what brand of computer do i need to be looking at? > i just want a desktop computer > randy turner > > > On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote: > > > I can't answer the question about the USB driver, but it should not be > > difficult to find a computer with a serial port on the motherboard. I > > just bought a new computer with a very nearly state-of-the-art > > motherboard, that came with a serial port on the motherboard. Laptops > > might be a different story though, or so I understand. > > > > Chuck > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 09:01:09AM -0600, randy turner wrote: > >> > >> hi chuck > >> i guess if it isn't all ready built in speakup just isn't going to see it. > >> so i have two questions for all of you. > >> how far are we from usb support with speakup? > >> and the second question is > >> where can i buy a computer that will work with speakup?? > >> thanks to all > >> randy turner > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote: > >> > >>> Randy, > >>> > >>> I doubt if removing the modem will help. I recently had a computer with > >>> one built-in serial port and a second serial port on a PCI card such as > >>> yours. I wanted to have a refreshable braille display and an external > >>> synthesizer on the box, and the only way to get the synthesizer to be > >>> recognized was to put it on the built-in port. The braille display > >>> worked either way, but the synthesizer only worked on the built-in port. > >>> My guess is that without any built-in serial ports, you can forget about > >>> installing with speakup. > >>> > >>> Chuck > >>> > >>> -- > >>> The Moon is Waning Crescent (42% of Full) > >>> Only 10 kinds of people: those who do binary, and those who do not. > >>> But you can get a few downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Speakup mailing list > >>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > >>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Speakup mailing list > >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > -- > > The Moon is Waning Crescent (42% of Full) > > Only 10 kinds of people: those who do binary, and those who do not. > > But you can get a few downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- The Moon is Waning Crescent (40% of Full) Only 10 kinds of people: those who do binary, and those who do not. But you can get a few downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 41+ messages in thread
* Re: startech serial card ` Chuck Hallenbeck @ ` randy turner 0 siblings, 0 replies; 41+ messages in thread From: randy turner @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. hi chuck, i have been sort of thinking of the same idea finding someone who really knows what they are doing is sort of a challange think that i will call around and see if there are any shops that put them together for you. thanks for all of the support randy turner On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote: > I didn't buy a brand name, I had someone put one together for me. The > motherboard is the critical component, and most Intel motherboards will > work fine. The newer ones might require newer kernels. Others here would > have better recommendations than this, but I would be biased against > buying a brand name that might come with Windows already installed. No > point paying for an OS you might not need. Also, the brand names are > more likely to have components that do not support Linux, i.e. > components whose specs are held in secrecy. > > Chuck > > > On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 11:33:33AM -0600, randy turner wrote: >> hi chuck, >> what brand of computer do i need to be looking at? >> i just want a desktop computer >> randy turner >> >> >> On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote: >> >>> I can't answer the question about the USB driver, but it should not be >>> difficult to find a computer with a serial port on the motherboard. I >>> just bought a new computer with a very nearly state-of-the-art >>> motherboard, that came with a serial port on the motherboard. Laptops >>> might be a different story though, or so I understand. >>> >>> Chuck >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 09:01:09AM -0600, randy turner wrote: >>>> >>>> hi chuck >>>> i guess if it isn't all ready built in speakup just isn't going to see it. >>>> so i have two questions for all of you. >>>> how far are we from usb support with speakup? >>>> and the second question is >>>> where can i buy a computer that will work with speakup?? >>>> thanks to all >>>> randy turner >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote: >>>> >>>>> Randy, >>>>> >>>>> I doubt if removing the modem will help. I recently had a computer with >>>>> one built-in serial port and a second serial port on a PCI card such as >>>>> yours. I wanted to have a refreshable braille display and an external >>>>> synthesizer on the box, and the only way to get the synthesizer to be >>>>> recognized was to put it on the built-in port. The braille display >>>>> worked either way, but the synthesizer only worked on the built-in port. >>>>> My guess is that without any built-in serial ports, you can forget about >>>>> installing with speakup. >>>>> >>>>> Chuck >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> The Moon is Waning Crescent (42% of Full) >>>>> Only 10 kinds of people: those who do binary, and those who do not. >>>>> But you can get a few downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Speakup mailing list >>>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Speakup mailing list >>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>> >>> -- >>> The Moon is Waning Crescent (42% of Full) >>> Only 10 kinds of people: those who do binary, and those who do not. >>> But you can get a few downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Speakup mailing list >>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > -- > The Moon is Waning Crescent (40% of Full) > Only 10 kinds of people: those who do binary, and those who do not. > But you can get a few downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 41+ messages in thread
* Re: startech serial card ` Chuck Hallenbeck ` Willem van der Walt @ ` randy turner ` Gregory Nowak 1 sibling, 1 reply; 41+ messages in thread From: randy turner @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. hi Chuck, i might try pulling out that built in modem and see if it works then, windows tells me that it shows up as com1 the only other serial device in the computer is a modem i am not sure what com port it is on the only think that i can think to do is to pull the modem out and see what happens. thanks randy turner On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote: > Randy, Greg, > > The card should not need any special driver, but if it comes up in Linux > as tty4, you have a problem. Speakup only probes for the first four > serial ports, tty0 through tty3, so it will not work with a serial port > at tty4. > > Chuck > > -- > The Moon is Waning Crescent (43% of Full) > Only 10 kinds of people: those who do binary, and those who do not. > But you can get a few downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 41+ messages in thread
* Re: startech serial card ` randy turner @ ` Gregory Nowak 0 siblings, 0 replies; 41+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I very much doubt that pulling the modem would solve your problem, especially if it is a software-based modem, as the majority of modems made today are. Back in the days of isa slots, pulling the modem might have very well solved your problem, but I'm afraid that it most likely won't be the solution in this situation. As for getting a brand-name machine with a serial port, there are still companies selling machines with at least one serial port on the motherboard. However, as Chuck has pointed out, if you go that route, you'll most likely end up paying for software you don't want/need, and you are running the risk of getting components not supported by linux. In the first case, I've heard that companies are willing to sell you a machine with an empty hard drive for a lower price, if you tell them that's what you want. If a particular company refuses to do so, I think chances are good that one of their many competitors will be happy to oblige. In the second case, once you've picked a brand/model, get an exact list of what's in the system, and search the linux source, or the web, to find out if all the hardware is either supported by linux directly, or by a third-party free, or non-free driver, of which speakup is a good example. As Chuck has also pointed out, you can have someone custom-build a machine for you, though that's likely to be more expensive then a brand-name box. Finally, if you're comfortable working without speech, you can mount a floppy, redirect dmesg and lspci to files on the floppy, and get the information that way. If you'd prefer speech, and have a linux supported sound card in your system, you can use grml, or whatever other livecd supports software speech to do so. Greg On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 08:01:06AM -0600, randy turner wrote: > > hi Chuck, > i might try pulling out that built in modem and see > if it works then, > windows tells me that it shows up as com1 > the only other serial device in the computer is a modem > i am not sure what com port it is on > the only think that i can think to do is to pull the > modem out and see what happens. > thanks > randy turner > > - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFWM6d7s9z/XlyUyARAq9/AJ9YYPMvL0FjyzkkeTB5ipSJpChrHQCfQ7Y5 CFcUSQdtIOEZIAY8M12vhFI= =aqGn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 41+ messages in thread
* Re: startech serial card ` startech serial card randy turner ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Janina Sajka 1 sibling, 0 replies; 41+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Jannia randy turner writes: > > hi all, > does speakup work with pci rs232 serial cards? > the manual says that it will work in linux > my guess is that i might need to load a driver > before i load speakup? > > any ideas on how to do this? > thanks in advance > randy turner > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka Phone: +1.202.595.7777 Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada--Go to http://ScreenlessPhone.Com to learn more. Chair, Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG) janina@freestandards.org http://a11y.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 41+ messages in thread
* Re: Fetchmail and SSL Fetchmail and SSL Christian [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0611081205340.2462@darkstar.example.net> @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Re[2]: " Christian 1 sibling, 1 reply; 41+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Yes. In your $HOME/.fetchmailrc, you want to put ssl on a line by itself, after the line with the user and password, but before the line that says fetchall. You can probably specify this globally, but someone else will have to tell you how to do that, or you can look it up for yourself. Greg On Wed, Nov 08, 2006 at 05:47:27PM +0100, Christian wrote: > Hi all, > Can fetchmail handle SSL? > Many thanks, > Christian > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFUidd7s9z/XlyUyARAlAuAJsEg7ojMveN34RgyqhtzEAYqwbUGQCfdswI e5GF/abeeZHqpwq9cgiZQhU= =jphs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 41+ messages in thread
* Re[2]: Fetchmail and SSL ` Fetchmail and SSL Gregory Nowak @ ` Christian ` Gregory Nowak 0 siblings, 1 reply; 41+ messages in thread From: Christian @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi, Many thanks for that, will give that a try. One little question i have is at the beginning of some messages, like yours that pgp signed message, where can i get more info about this and what it does and why to use it? Many thanks, Christian On 2006-11-08 at 11:52 Gregory Nowak wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Yes. In your $HOME/.fetchmailrc, you want to put > >ssl > >on a line by itself, after the line with the user and password, but >before the line that says fetchall. You can probably specify this >globally, but someone else will have to tell you how to do that, or you >can look it up for yourself. > >Greg > > >On Wed, Nov 08, 2006 at 05:47:27PM +0100, Christian wrote: >> Hi all, >> Can fetchmail handle SSL? >> Many thanks, >> Christian >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >- -- >web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org >gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc >skype: gregn1 >(authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) > >- -- >Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) > >iD8DBQFFUidd7s9z/XlyUyARAlAuAJsEg7ojMveN34RgyqhtzEAYqwbUGQCfdswI >e5GF/abeeZHqpwq9cgiZQhU= >=jphs >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 41+ messages in thread
* Re: Fetchmail and SSL ` Re[2]: " Christian @ ` Gregory Nowak 0 siblings, 0 replies; 41+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Nov 08, 2006 at 09:45:25PM +0100, Christian wrote: > One little question i have is at the beginning of some messages, like yours that pgp signed message, where can i get more info about this and what it does and why to use it? http://www.gnupg.org Greg - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFUmsC7s9z/XlyUyARAs5MAKC8I+w8ofGmgtUZTS+WQBM69jjzeACff6oj hxAxuhzJ9EXEGndtahF3f3E= =KfpH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 41+ messages in thread
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