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[Christian]

Hi all,
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Re: doubletalk lt

[randy turner]

> hi all,
> i am going to try to upgrade to another computer
> it has no isa slots so i baught a pci serial card that should work, i hope
>
> where is a good place to buy a doubletalk lt??
> thanks in advance
> randy turner
>
>
>

Re: doubletalk lt

[randy turner]

>> hi all,
>> i am going to try to upgrade to another computer
>> it has no isa slots so i baught a pci serial card that should work, i hope
>> 
>> where is a good place to buy a doubletalk lt??
>> thanks in advance
>> randy turner
>> 
>> 
>> 
>

Re: doubletalk lt

[Gregory Nowak]

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I think directly from rc systems would be the best choice. As far as I
know, they're still selling those.

http://www.rcsys.com

Good luck.

Greg


On Wed, Nov 08, 2006 at 12:20:27PM -0600, randy turner wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > hi all,
> > i am going to try to upgrade to another computer
> > it has no isa slots so i baught a pci serial card that should work, i hope
> >
> > where is a good place to buy a doubletalk lt??
> > thanks in advance
> > randy turner
> >
> >
> >
> 
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Re: doubletalk lt

[randy turner]

hi greg,
do they still build any computers with the older isa slots?
also has any company built any pci synths that will work in linux?
what are the choices that are left for linux??
thanks in advance
randy turner


On Wed, 8 Nov 2006, Gregory Nowak wrote:

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> I think directly from rc systems would be the best choice. As far as I
> know, they're still selling those.
>
> http://www.rcsys.com
>
> Good luck.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 08, 2006 at 12:20:27PM -0600, randy turner wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> hi all,
>>> i am going to try to upgrade to another computer
>>> it has no isa slots so i baught a pci serial card that should work, i hope
>>>
>>> where is a good place to buy a doubletalk lt??
>>> thanks in advance
>>> randy turner
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: doubletalk lt

[Gregory Nowak]

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Hi Randy and all.

I don't know if it is still possible to get a new pc with an isa
slot. I doubt it, but I would be glad to be corrected by someone who
knows for sure that some company out there still sells new machines
with an isa slot. As I posted here not too long ago, a friend of mine
told me that it is still possible to get a new motherboard today with an
isa slot, but he says they're very expensive. Again, I don't know if
this is actually true or not. If it is true, then even if a company
like Del or Gateway doesn't build machines with an isa slot anymore,
you could still get such a board, and build a machine with an isa slot
yourself, or have someone else build it for you.

As far as I know, the only pci synth out there today is the
trippletalk, but I don't know if speakup drivers are in development
for that or not.

Greg


On Wed, Nov 08, 2006 at 04:40:39PM -0600, randy turner wrote:
> 
> hi greg,
> do they still build any computers with the older isa slots?
> also has any company built any pci synths that will work in linux?
> what are the choices that are left for linux??
> thanks in advance
> randy turner
> 
> 




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Re: doubletalk lt

[John Heim]

If you need a machine with an ISA slot, rather than buying a new machine, it 
might be a good idea to check a used computer store. The used computer store 
at the University of Wisconsin usually has several machines in the 900 Mhz 
to 1 Ghz range that have ISA slots. If you're running speakup wit a hardware 
synth, that's plenty fast.

Maybe the used computer store at the UW is atypical but I doubt it.  I 
suspect you can still get a used machine with ISA slots fairly easily and 
fairly cheaply.

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From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: doubletalk lt


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> Hi Randy and all.
>
> I don't know if it is still possible to get a new pc with an isa
> slot. I doubt it, but I would be glad to be corrected by someone who
> knows for sure that some company out there still sells new machines
> with an isa slot. As I posted here not too long ago, a friend of mine
> told me that it is still possible to get a new motherboard today with an
> isa slot, but he says they're very expensive. Again, I don't know if
> this is actually true or not. If it is true, then even if a company
> like Del or Gateway doesn't build machines with an isa slot anymore,
> you could still get such a board, and build a machine with an isa slot
> yourself, or have someone else build it for you.
>
> As far as I know, the only pci synth out there today is the
> trippletalk, but I don't know if speakup drivers are in development
> for that or not.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 08, 2006 at 04:40:39PM -0600, randy turner wrote:
>>
>> hi greg,
>> do they still build any computers with the older isa slots?
>> also has any company built any pci synths that will work in linux?
>> what are the choices that are left for linux??
>> thanks in advance
>> randy turner
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Re: doubletalk lt

[randy turner]

hi john,

sounds like a good idea if the price is right
randy turner
On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, John Heim wrote:

> If you need a machine with an ISA slot, rather than buying a new machine, it
> might be a good idea to check a used computer store. The used computer store
> at the University of Wisconsin usually has several machines in the 900 Mhz
> to 1 Ghz range that have ISA slots. If you're running speakup wit a hardware
> synth, that's plenty fast.
>
> Maybe the used computer store at the UW is atypical but I doubt it.  I
> suspect you can still get a used machine with ISA slots fairly easily and
> fairly cheaply.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 5:52 PM
> Subject: Re: doubletalk lt
>
>
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>> Hi Randy and all.
>>
>> I don't know if it is still possible to get a new pc with an isa
>> slot. I doubt it, but I would be glad to be corrected by someone who
>> knows for sure that some company out there still sells new machines
>> with an isa slot. As I posted here not too long ago, a friend of mine
>> told me that it is still possible to get a new motherboard today with an
>> isa slot, but he says they're very expensive. Again, I don't know if
>> this is actually true or not. If it is true, then even if a company
>> like Del or Gateway doesn't build machines with an isa slot anymore,
>> you could still get such a board, and build a machine with an isa slot
>> yourself, or have someone else build it for you.
>>
>> As far as I know, the only pci synth out there today is the
>> trippletalk, but I don't know if speakup drivers are in development
>> for that or not.
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 08, 2006 at 04:40:39PM -0600, randy turner wrote:
>>>
>>> hi greg,
>>> do they still build any computers with the older isa slots?
>>> also has any company built any pci synths that will work in linux?
>>> what are the choices that are left for linux??
>>> thanks in advance
>>> randy turner
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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What's the advantage of a hardware synth?

[Jonathan Duddington]

In article <Pine.LNX.4.64.0611081636470.1525@darkstar.example.net>,
   randy turner <rturner222@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> do they still build any computers with the older isa slots?
> also has any company built any pci synths that will work in linux?
> what are the choices that are left for linux??

I'm not visually impaired and I've not used a hardware synth myself,
but I'm curious.  What is the advantage of a hardware synth over a
software synth?

I can think of a few possibilities, but I'm curious which are true and
are important for those who use or prefer hardware synths:

1.  It doesn't affect the computer's sound system, which can therefore
play other sounds unaffected by the TTS.  This could probably be
achieved for a software synth by using two sound cards.

2.  System startup messages can be spoken before the point when the
sound system and synth software is initialized and working.  This would
be overcome by the proposed "Spoken Boot" feature.

3.  Problems with installing and setting up a software synth.

4.  Prefer the sound of the hardware synth voice to those currently
available with software synths.

5.  Limitations of computer processor power or memory, although I doubt
this is an issue now.

6.  The hardware synth offers some feature not available in the
software synths.

Re: What's the advantage of a hardware synth?

[Glenn at home]

The main reason is if the sound card doesn't work, we have the reliable 
synth to be working.
I don't know if it can be compared to windows, but in windows, if we have to 
boot with no drivers, some internal speech cards would work with no drivers 
installed.
And I do have a link to a 300+ dollar motherboard with an ISA slot.
I think there are some less expensive ones out there, but they were limited 
to a slow bus speed, and a 2GB processor at best.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jonathan Duddington" <jsd@clara.co.uk>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 6:41 PM
Subject: What's the advantage of a hardware synth?


In article <Pine.LNX.4.64.0611081636470.1525@darkstar.example.net>,
   randy turner <rturner222@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> do they still build any computers with the older isa slots?
> also has any company built any pci synths that will work in linux?
> what are the choices that are left for linux??

I'm not visually impaired and I've not used a hardware synth myself,
but I'm curious.  What is the advantage of a hardware synth over a
software synth?

I can think of a few possibilities, but I'm curious which are true and
are important for those who use or prefer hardware synths:

1.  It doesn't affect the computer's sound system, which can therefore
play other sounds unaffected by the TTS.  This could probably be
achieved for a software synth by using two sound cards.

2.  System startup messages can be spoken before the point when the
sound system and synth software is initialized and working.  This would
be overcome by the proposed "Spoken Boot" feature.

3.  Problems with installing and setting up a software synth.

4.  Prefer the sound of the hardware synth voice to those currently
available with software synths.

5.  Limitations of computer processor power or memory, although I doubt
this is an issue now.

6.  The hardware synth offers some feature not available in the
software synths.


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Re: What's the advantage of a hardware synth?

[Tyler Spivey]

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The other advantage, I find, at least with my dectalk, is it can speak
fast. I listen to speech pretty quickly, and espeak just can't get
there. For example,
http://tspivey.freeshell.org/speech.ogg
is usually the rate I listen at when using windows.

On Wed, Nov 08, 2006 at 06:50:16PM -0600, Glenn at home wrote:
> The main reason is if the sound card doesn't work, we have the reliable 
> synth to be working.
> I don't know if it can be compared to windows, but in windows, if we have to 
> boot with no drivers, some internal speech cards would work with no drivers 
> installed.
> And I do have a link to a 300+ dollar motherboard with an ISA slot.
> I think there are some less expensive ones out there, but they were limited 
> to a slow bus speed, and a 2GB processor at best.
> Glenn
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jonathan Duddington" <jsd@clara.co.uk>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 6:41 PM
> Subject: What's the advantage of a hardware synth?
> 
> 
> In article <Pine.LNX.4.64.0611081636470.1525@darkstar.example.net>,
>    randy turner <rturner222@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> > do they still build any computers with the older isa slots?
> > also has any company built any pci synths that will work in linux?
> > what are the choices that are left for linux??
> 
> I'm not visually impaired and I've not used a hardware synth myself,
> but I'm curious.  What is the advantage of a hardware synth over a
> software synth?
> 
> I can think of a few possibilities, but I'm curious which are true and
> are important for those who use or prefer hardware synths:
> 
> 1.  It doesn't affect the computer's sound system, which can therefore
> play other sounds unaffected by the TTS.  This could probably be
> achieved for a software synth by using two sound cards.
> 
> 2.  System startup messages can be spoken before the point when the
> sound system and synth software is initialized and working.  This would
> be overcome by the proposed "Spoken Boot" feature.
> 
> 3.  Problems with installing and setting up a software synth.
> 
> 4.  Prefer the sound of the hardware synth voice to those currently
> available with software synths.
> 
> 5.  Limitations of computer processor power or memory, although I doubt
> this is an issue now.
> 
> 6.  The hardware synth offers some feature not available in the
> software synths.
> 
> 
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Re: What's the advantage of a hardware synth?

[randy turner]

hi glenn,
can you give me the link to the isa computers?
also does anybody know of a document
that explanes how to install linux from scratch using just a sound card 
for there speach?
say that you had a formatted drive with nothing on it
now if you have a doubletalk you just put in the install cd and type
speakup.s speakup_synth=dtlk
is there anything simular if you just had a sound card?
thanks in advance
randy turner



On Wed, 8 Nov 2006, Glenn at home wrote:

> The main reason is if the sound card doesn't work, we have the reliable
> synth to be working.
> I don't know if it can be compared to windows, but in windows, if we have to
> boot with no drivers, some internal speech cards would work with no drivers
> installed.
> And I do have a link to a 300+ dollar motherboard with an ISA slot.
> I think there are some less expensive ones out there, but they were limited
> to a slow bus speed, and a 2GB processor at best.
> Glenn
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jonathan Duddington" <jsd@clara.co.uk>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 6:41 PM
> Subject: What's the advantage of a hardware synth?
>
>
> In article <Pine.LNX.4.64.0611081636470.1525@darkstar.example.net>,
>   randy turner <rturner222@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> do they still build any computers with the older isa slots?
>> also has any company built any pci synths that will work in linux?
>> what are the choices that are left for linux??
>
> I'm not visually impaired and I've not used a hardware synth myself,
> but I'm curious.  What is the advantage of a hardware synth over a
> software synth?
>
> I can think of a few possibilities, but I'm curious which are true and
> are important for those who use or prefer hardware synths:
>
> 1.  It doesn't affect the computer's sound system, which can therefore
> play other sounds unaffected by the TTS.  This could probably be
> achieved for a software synth by using two sound cards.
>
> 2.  System startup messages can be spoken before the point when the
> sound system and synth software is initialized and working.  This would
> be overcome by the proposed "Spoken Boot" feature.
>
> 3.  Problems with installing and setting up a software synth.
>
> 4.  Prefer the sound of the hardware synth voice to those currently
> available with software synths.
>
> 5.  Limitations of computer processor power or memory, although I doubt
> this is an issue now.
>
> 6.  The hardware synth offers some feature not available in the
> software synths.
>
>
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Install w/o hardware synth (Re: What's the advantage of a hardware synth?)

[John Heim]

About your second question -- installing with just a sound card (ie w/o a 
hardware synth).

I will bet that you can do it simply by booting with a grml CD and using the 
grml installler grml2hd. I would try that first.  I haven't actually done 
that though.

Something that I know will work because I've done it is to boot from a 
knoppix modified cd and then manually doing each installation step., fdisk, 
debootstrap, etc. I haven't actually done this in a while, but what you can 
do is boot from the speakup modified knoppix CD at
ftp://mirror.services.wisc.edu/mirrors/linux/distributions/speakup/disks/knoppix/KNOPPIX-speakup-V3.4-20040714.iso
Then follow the instructions at this page:
http://www.inittab.de/manuals/debootstrap.html

That would probably be the hard way.   But I know it will work.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "randy turner" <rturner222@sbcglobal.net>
To: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>; "Speakup is a screen review 
system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: What's the advantage of a hardware synth?


>
> hi glenn,
> can you give me the link to the isa computers?
> also does anybody know of a document
> that explanes how to install linux from scratch using just a sound card
> for there speach?
> say that you had a formatted drive with nothing on it
> now if you have a doubletalk you just put in the install cd and type
> speakup.s speakup_synth=dtlk
> is there anything simular if you just had a sound card?
> thanks in advance
> randy turner
>
>
>
> On Wed, 8 Nov 2006, Glenn at home wrote:
>
>> The main reason is if the sound card doesn't work, we have the reliable
>> synth to be working.
>> I don't know if it can be compared to windows, but in windows, if we have 
>> to
>> boot with no drivers, some internal speech cards would work with no 
>> drivers
>> installed.
>> And I do have a link to a 300+ dollar motherboard with an ISA slot.
>> I think there are some less expensive ones out there, but they were 
>> limited
>> to a slow bus speed, and a 2GB processor at best.
>> Glenn
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jonathan Duddington" <jsd@clara.co.uk>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 6:41 PM
>> Subject: What's the advantage of a hardware synth?
>>
>>
>> In article <Pine.LNX.4.64.0611081636470.1525@darkstar.example.net>,
>>   randy turner <rturner222@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> do they still build any computers with the older isa slots?
>>> also has any company built any pci synths that will work in linux?
>>> what are the choices that are left for linux??
>>
>> I'm not visually impaired and I've not used a hardware synth myself,
>> but I'm curious.  What is the advantage of a hardware synth over a
>> software synth?
>>
>> I can think of a few possibilities, but I'm curious which are true and
>> are important for those who use or prefer hardware synths:
>>
>> 1.  It doesn't affect the computer's sound system, which can therefore
>> play other sounds unaffected by the TTS.  This could probably be
>> achieved for a software synth by using two sound cards.
>>
>> 2.  System startup messages can be spoken before the point when the
>> sound system and synth software is initialized and working.  This would
>> be overcome by the proposed "Spoken Boot" feature.
>>
>> 3.  Problems with installing and setting up a software synth.
>>
>> 4.  Prefer the sound of the hardware synth voice to those currently
>> available with software synths.
>>
>> 5.  Limitations of computer processor power or memory, although I doubt
>> this is an issue now.
>>
>> 6.  The hardware synth offers some feature not available in the
>> software synths.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
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Re: What's the advantage of a hardware synth?

[Gregory Nowak]

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My personal opinion on the subject is as follows.

On Thu, Nov 09, 2006 at 12:41:17AM +0000, Jonathan Duddington wrote:
> 1.  It doesn't affect the computer's sound system, which can therefore
> play other sounds unaffected by the TTS.  This could probably be
> achieved for a software synth by using two sound cards.
> 

I feel that this isn't really an issue anymore, especially now that
dmix is available under alsa, providing a software mixer for sound
cards that aren't multichannel.

> 2.  System startup messages can be spoken before the point when the
> sound system and synth software is initialized and working.  This would
> be overcome by the proposed "Spoken Boot" feature.
> 

I'd say this is the greatest advantage of a hardware synth for me. Not
only for speaking startup messages, but also giving you speech all the
way until reboot/shutdown, which isn't possible with software speech
yet, since the processes responsible for providing software speech get
killed as part of the shutdown procedure. Arguably, this isn't as
important as the startup messages, but I still like to know at times
exactly what my system is doing as part of the shutdown process. Also,
from what I understand, spoken boot would be prerecorded sound files,
letting you know the progress during startup. If that's what they
would be, then they still wouldn't replace the combination of speakup
and a hardware synth, when it comes to informing the user as to what
exactly is happening, by giving the user all the details that a
sighted user gets, once speakup loads.

> 3.  Problems with installing and setting up a software synth.
> 

Yes. While the procedure isn't too difficult to replicate once you've
been through it for the first time, I feel that it isn't a walk in the
park for someone doing it for the first time, even if that person has
a wealth of experience in working on linux, or even unix systems.

> 4.  Prefer the sound of the hardware synth voice to those currently
> available with software synths.
> 

This isn't as true as the above reasons. I'm sure I wouldn't be the
only one to say that some hardware synths have a worse speech quality then
espeak does for example. On the other hand, being able to choose
between the use of a doubletalk pc, an accent pc (at least before it
died on me), a braille 'n speak, and festival/flite/espeak via
software speech, I still prefer the doubletalk hands down. The speech
of synthesizers is a highly personal preference though, so I wouldn't be too
surprised if someone responded to this saying that he/she absolutely
hates the doubletalk speech.

> 5.  Limitations of computer processor power or memory, although I doubt
> this is an issue now.
> 

I'd agree, though see reason 7 below your quoted reasons.

> 6.  The hardware synth offers some feature not available in the
> software synths.

Well, I guess you could say this is true for the doubletalk at least, both pc
and lt models. The doubletalk can play pcm files, play music via a
tone generator, generate dtmf tones, like those used in dialing
telephones, and it also has prerecorded word lists in I believe both
male, and female voices. Finally, it can act as a playback-only
soundcard under win9x systems. Admittedly, I don't remember the last
time I even played with any of these features, but the fact is that
they are there, and that no software synth currently has these
features, as far as I know.

7. Responsiveness. This partly relates to reason 5 above. I wouldn't
   say that a serial synth is more responsive then a software synth,
   (I think they're about equal, though
   espeak/speechd-up/speech-dispatcher is probably more responsive
   then a serial synth). However, I do think a synth like the
   doubletalk pc for example, is more responsive then a serial, or
   software synth. I think this has to do with the fact that it is
   connected to the machine via an internal isa slot, has its own RAM,
   and has its own processor. I think that this however can't be said
   for all internal synths, because my opinion for example is that the
   accent pc, another isa synth, isn't as responsive as the doubletalk
   pc is. As far as I know, the accentt pc doesn't have its own CPU
   and RAM, and it is definitely an older technology than the
   doubletalk pc is.

Greg



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Re: What's the advantage of a hardware synth?

[David Csercsics]

>I'm not visually impaired and I've not used a hardware synth myself,
>but I'm curious.  What is the advantage of a hardware synth over a
>software synth?
>
>I can think of a few possibilities, but I'm curious which are true and
>are important for those who use or prefer hardware synths:
>
>1.  It doesn't affect the computer's sound system, which can therefore
>play other sounds unaffected by the TTS.  This could probably be
>achieved for a software synth by using two sound cards.

Not that easily since you'd have to use 2 sets of speakers or a mixer
which could be done but would be a bit awkward. Using headphones for
speech and putting other stuff through speakers would be an option but
a hardware synth just takes care of all  that for you.

>
>2.  System startup messages can be spoken before the point when the
>sound system and synth software is initialized and working.  This would
>be overcome by the proposed "Spoken Boot" feature.

Not entirely unless you propose to have the spoken boot feature speak every kernel message.

>
>3.  Problems with installing and setting up a software synth.
>

Yep. This is a big one. If you're using software speech only and the
software has a bug  or something that causes it not to work you can get
yourself into a situation where you have no speech. Having the kernel
handle the speech has the advantage that you know what's going on unless
the kernel is hosed which means that you would know that too. In the
case of gnome there are several things that could potentially cause you
to lose speech and if you're relying on software speech you can be in
a pickle. That said, speechd-up and speech-dispatcher seem to be quite
stable with espeak on my laptop which I cannot hook a hardware synth
to. So I can usually drop to a text console to fix things if gnome
screws up. There's also the issue of every live CD on the planet
detecting the wrong soundcard at boot so I have to crawl behind the desk
and temporarily use the onboard sound card to run things like the Ubuntu
live CD. There should be a boot option to force the module of your choice
to be used for sound. We also run into the issue that gnome doesn't seem
to let you use multiple sound sources for different things.

>4.  Prefer the sound of the hardware synth voice to those currently
>available with software synths.

Yep. I really like the DoubleTalk voices! I'm sure others like their
favourite synth voices as well. I like the ESpeak voice too but it
doesn't speak as fast as my DoubleTalk LT.

>
>5.  Limitations of computer processor power or memory, although I doubt
>this is an issue now.

Not much of an issue with something like Espeak but if you try to run
Festival on older hardware you'll hit huge processing issues.

>
>6.  The hardware synth offers some feature not available in the
>software synths.

Yep. Speed! Software synths don't speak or respond as fast as something
like a DoubleTalk. If your system is under load your speech will be
adversely affected since it's just another process. Also the kernel
preempt code doesn't play well with software speech so you add latency
to the system as a whole since you need to disable it for software
speech to work correctly.

This is about all I can think of right now but I may come up with
more later.

Re: What's the advantage of a hardware synth?

[Nick G]

Jonathan, it's number 6, really, that being the abbility to install linux 
without eyes.  The current technical limitations have it that way that the 
linux distributions need to be installed with a hardware synth because I 
don't believe Alsa loads on most isolinux instalation media, though correct 
me if I'm wrong.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jonathan Duddington" <jsd@clara.co.uk>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 7:41 PM
Subject: What's the advantage of a hardware synth?


> In article <Pine.LNX.4.64.0611081636470.1525@darkstar.example.net>,
>   randy turner <rturner222@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> do they still build any computers with the older isa slots?
>> also has any company built any pci synths that will work in linux?
>> what are the choices that are left for linux??
>
> I'm not visually impaired and I've not used a hardware synth myself,
> but I'm curious.  What is the advantage of a hardware synth over a
> software synth?
>
> I can think of a few possibilities, but I'm curious which are true and
> are important for those who use or prefer hardware synths:
>
> 1.  It doesn't affect the computer's sound system, which can therefore
> play other sounds unaffected by the TTS.  This could probably be
> achieved for a software synth by using two sound cards.
>
> 2.  System startup messages can be spoken before the point when the
> sound system and synth software is initialized and working.  This would
> be overcome by the proposed "Spoken Boot" feature.
>
> 3.  Problems with installing and setting up a software synth.
>
> 4.  Prefer the sound of the hardware synth voice to those currently
> available with software synths.
>
> 5.  Limitations of computer processor power or memory, although I doubt
> this is an issue now.
>
> 6.  The hardware synth offers some feature not available in the
> software synths.
>
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Re: What's the advantage of a hardware synth?

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

  It is not necessary at all to have hardware synth to install LInux.   I 
have made several installations with serial console. this does not require 
specially tailored distributions.

   I also have serial console enabled if something goes wrong during the 
bootup.

  External synths have their advances but IMO they are not worth fo their 
price.

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On Wed, 8 Nov 2006, Nick G wrote:

> Jonathan, it's number 6, really, that being the abbility to install linux
> without eyes.  The current technical limitations have it that way that the
> linux distributions need to be installed with a hardware synth because I
> don't believe Alsa loads on most isolinux instalation media, though correct
> me if I'm wrong.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jonathan Duddington" <jsd@clara.co.uk>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 7:41 PM
> Subject: What's the advantage of a hardware synth?
>
>
>> In article <Pine.LNX.4.64.0611081636470.1525@darkstar.example.net>,
>>   randy turner <rturner222@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> do they still build any computers with the older isa slots?
>>> also has any company built any pci synths that will work in linux?
>>> what are the choices that are left for linux??
>>
>> I'm not visually impaired and I've not used a hardware synth myself,
>> but I'm curious.  What is the advantage of a hardware synth over a
>> software synth?
>>
>> I can think of a few possibilities, but I'm curious which are true and
>> are important for those who use or prefer hardware synths:
>>
>> 1.  It doesn't affect the computer's sound system, which can therefore
>> play other sounds unaffected by the TTS.  This could probably be
>> achieved for a software synth by using two sound cards.
>>
>> 2.  System startup messages can be spoken before the point when the
>> sound system and synth software is initialized and working.  This would
>> be overcome by the proposed "Spoken Boot" feature.
>>
>> 3.  Problems with installing and setting up a software synth.
>>
>> 4.  Prefer the sound of the hardware synth voice to those currently
>> available with software synths.
>>
>> 5.  Limitations of computer processor power or memory, although I doubt
>> this is an issue now.
>>
>> 6.  The hardware synth offers some feature not available in the
>> software synths.
>>
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Re: What's the advantage of a hardware synth?

[Janina Sajka]

OK, My 2 cents (American) below:

> From: "Jonathan Duddington" <jsd@clara.co.uk>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 7:41 PM
> Subject: What's the advantage of a hardware synth?
> 
> 
> > In article <Pine.LNX.4.64.0611081636470.1525@darkstar.example.net>,
> >   randy turner <rturner222@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> >> do they still build any computers with the older isa slots?

I'm not aware of any.

> >> also has any company built any pci synths that will work in linux?
The TripleTalk PCI should, but doesn't, as far as I'm aware. This should
get fixed.

> >> what are the choices that are left for linux??
TripleTalk USB/Serial and DEC-Talk USB/Serial.

The serial ports work currently. The USB ports can be expected to work
eventually.

> >
> > I'm not visually impaired and I've not used a hardware synth myself,
> > but I'm curious.  What is the advantage of a hardware synth over a
> > software synth?
> >
> > I can think of a few possibilities, but I'm curious which are true and
> > are important for those who use or prefer hardware synths:
> >
> > 1.  It doesn't affect the computer's sound system, which can therefore
> > play other sounds unaffected by the TTS.  This could probably be
> > achieved for a software synth by using two sound cards.
Or by appropriate use of alsa dmix, now the default.

However, there are situations were you want to insure the TTS never
makes it into the audio mix, such as audio/music work.

> >
> > 2.  System startup messages can be spoken before the point when the
> > sound system and synth software is initialized and working.  This would
> > be overcome by the proposed "Spoken Boot" feature.
OK, I'm behind. I haven't seen the proposal. What concerns me is the
supposition that sufficient system resources are available for the
proposal to function. Speakup plus hw synth starts extremely early in
the boot process and, as such, is ideal for debugging early fatal
problems--even if I must launch via /bin/sh, which I've sometimes had to
do.

> >
> > 3.  Problems with installing and setting up a software synth.
> >
> > 4.  Prefer the sound of the hardware synth voice to those currently
> > available with software synths.
> >
> > 5.  Limitations of computer processor power or memory, although I doubt
> > this is an issue now.
> >
> > 6.  The hardware synth offers some feature not available in the
> > software synths.
System installation is one such, though the Ubuntu installer can
obviate this somewhat.

Janina

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Re: What's the advantage of a hardware synth?

[randy turner]

hi Janina

i thought that we could not get the code for the tripletalk pci??
do you have an update on that?
thanks in advance
randy turner

Re: What's the advantage of a hardware synth?

[randy turner]

thanks to all who answered my questions
happy holidays to all.
randy turner

startech serial card

[randy turner]

hi all,
does speakup work with pci rs232 serial cards?
the manual says that it will work in linux
my guess is that i might need to load a driver
before i load speakup?

any ideas on how to do this?
thanks in advance
randy turner

Re: startech serial card

[Gregory Nowak]

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I'm not familiar with that card, but from your description, I don't
see why it shouldn't work. Have you tried it? If it doesn't work, does
lspci show the card? Does dmesg give you any information? What is your
serial configuration like in the kernel? Do you have your serial synth
built into the kernel, and configured as the default? If yes, try
building it as a module, loading it that way, and seeing what
happens. Does your motherboard have built-in serial ports?

Again, try this only if you've tried your card, and it doesn't
work. If you haven't even tried the card, then just pop it in, and
with luck, your serial synth should start speaking the boot messages
if everything is configured properly.

Greg


On Sun, Nov 12, 2006 at 04:52:38PM -0600, randy turner wrote:
> 
> hi all,
> does speakup work with pci rs232 serial cards?
> the manual says that it will work in linux
> my guess is that i might need to load a driver
> before i load speakup?
> 
> any ideas on how to do this?
> thanks in advance
> randy turner
> 
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Re: startech serial card

[randy turner]

hi Greg,
i am trying to get speech up on a computer
that has no other serial ports or isa slot
i am using speakup.s for the bootup disk
  i am using an older litetalk
when i installed the card
i had a friend check to see if it was there using windows
it shows up as com 1
my question is does speakup.s
support a pci serial card in the speakup.s kernel?


i am using slackware
i have tried the install disk and the slackware cd
with the cd i type speakup.s speakup_synth=ltlk
when i install from the floppy i type
ramdisk speakup_synth=ltlk
my question is does speakup.s need another pci serial driver for this to 
work?

they say that it should work in linux
but i have searched on google and looked at the cd that came with it
and can't find a linux driver for it.
have you used other pci serial cards??
if so what does the kernel need to support them?

thanks in advance
randy turner


On Sun, 12 Nov 2006, Gregory Nowak wrote:

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> I'm not familiar with that card, but from your description, I don't
> see why it shouldn't work. Have you tried it? If it doesn't work, does
> lspci show the card? Does dmesg give you any information? What is your
> serial configuration like in the kernel? Do you have your serial synth
> built into the kernel, and configured as the default? If yes, try
> building it as a module, loading it that way, and seeing what
> happens. Does your motherboard have built-in serial ports?
>
> Again, try this only if you've tried your card, and it doesn't
> work. If you haven't even tried the card, then just pop it in, and
> with luck, your serial synth should start speaking the boot messages
> if everything is configured properly.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 12, 2006 at 04:52:38PM -0600, randy turner wrote:
>>
>> hi all,
>> does speakup work with pci rs232 serial cards?
>> the manual says that it will work in linux
>> my guess is that i might need to load a driver
>> before i load speakup?
>>
>> any ideas on how to do this?
>> thanks in advance
>> randy turner
>>
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Re: startech serial card

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On Sun, Nov 12, 2006 at 07:16:51PM -0600, randy turner wrote:
> my question is does speakup.s
> support a pci serial card in the speakup.s kernel?
> 

I don't know, but again, I don't see why it shouldn't.

> i have tried the install disk and the slackware cd
> with the cd i type speakup.s speakup_synth=ltlk
> when i install from the floppy i type
> ramdisk speakup_synth=ltlk

What happens when you do that? Your message implies that you get no
speech, but you don't actually state this explicitly. 

> my question is does speakup.s need another pci serial driver for this to 
> work?
> 
> they say that it should work in linux

I don't know, but I don't see why it should.

> have you used other pci serial cards??> if so what does the kernel need to support them?
> 

The only pci serial card I've used is an actual modern hardware
modem. In the earlier kernels, it needed serial irq sharing enabled, the
many ports option enabled and it showed up as /dev/ttyS4. From what I
can recall, it still does need those options in the kernel, but now
shows up as /dev/ttyS1 in a system with only one on-board serial
port. It might be
possible that your card is showing up as something higher then
/dev/ttyS3, in which case, speakup won't talk to it, unless you modify
the speakup code.

Until I know what dmesg says about your serial configuration, if
anything, I'm not sure what else I can tell you. Sorry I can't be of
much help, maybe someone else would be able to tell you more.

Greg





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Re: startech serial card

[randy turner]

hi Greg,
nope not getting any speech at all.
and because i can't get linux installed on this computer
i can't run the dmesg or the lspci command.

i might just have to buy a computer with a serial
port allready installed.
thanks for the support anyway.
randy turner


On Sun, 12 Nov 2006, Gregory Nowak wrote:

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> On Sun, Nov 12, 2006 at 07:16:51PM -0600, randy turner wrote:
>> my question is does speakup.s
>> support a pci serial card in the speakup.s kernel?
>>
>
> I don't know, but again, I don't see why it shouldn't.
>
>> i have tried the install disk and the slackware cd
>> with the cd i type speakup.s speakup_synth=ltlk
>> when i install from the floppy i type
>> ramdisk speakup_synth=ltlk
>
> What happens when you do that? Your message implies that you get no
> speech, but you don't actually state this explicitly.
>
>> my question is does speakup.s need another pci serial driver for this to
>> work?
>>
>> they say that it should work in linux
>
> I don't know, but I don't see why it should.
>
>> have you used other pci serial cards??> if so what does the kernel need to support them?
>>
>
> The only pci serial card I've used is an actual modern hardware
> modem. In the earlier kernels, it needed serial irq sharing enabled, the
> many ports option enabled and it showed up as /dev/ttyS4. From what I
> can recall, it still does need those options in the kernel, but now
> shows up as /dev/ttyS1 in a system with only one on-board serial
> port. It might be
> possible that your card is showing up as something higher then
> /dev/ttyS3, in which case, speakup won't talk to it, unless you modify
> the speakup code.
>
> Until I know what dmesg says about your serial configuration, if
> anything, I'm not sure what else I can tell you. Sorry I can't be of
> much help, maybe someone else would be able to tell you more.
>
> Greg
>
>
>
>
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Re: startech serial card

[Chuck Hallenbeck]

Randy, Greg,

The card should not need any special driver, but if it comes up in Linux 
as tty4, you have a problem. Speakup only probes for the first four 
serial ports, tty0 through tty3, so it will not work with a serial port 
at tty4.

Chuck

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Re: startech serial card

[Willem van der Walt]

Would creating a device with the major and minor numbers of ttyS4, but 
with the name ttyS3 not solve the problem?


On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote:

> Randy, Greg,
> 
> The card should not need any special driver, but if it comes up in Linux 
> as tty4, you have a problem. Speakup only probes for the first four 
> serial ports, tty0 through tty3, so it will not work with a serial port 
> at tty4.
> 
> Chuck
> 
> -- 
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> But you can get a few downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh
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Re: startech serial card

[Luke Yelavich]

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On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 10:44:55PM EST, Willem van der Walt wrote:
> Would creating a device with the major and minor numbers of ttyS4, but 
> with the name ttyS3 not solve the problem?

No, unfortunately not. Speakup talks to the UARTs on serial ports 
directly, bypassing the kernel serial and tty subsystem.

And it is this fact that I fear may be a problem with the PCI card. I 
don't think it will work with speakup at all.

If you have other serial ports, what I'd do is move one device off one 
of those onto the PCI serial card, and put the synth on one of the 
serial ports on the main motherboard. I say this because a PCI serial 
card is very likely not to have been assigned standard I/O and IRQ 
settings of a normal serial port.

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Re: startech serial card

[randy turner]

hi luke

this computer has one modem, and no serial ports,
i put a startech serial port in
  my synth that i am using on this computer is a litetalk
i wonder if the builtin modem is causing problems for the startech serial 
card?
randy turner



On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, Luke Yelavich wrote:

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> On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 10:44:55PM EST, Willem van der Walt wrote:
>> Would creating a device with the major and minor numbers of ttyS4, but
>> with the name ttyS3 not solve the problem?
>
> No, unfortunately not. Speakup talks to the UARTs on serial ports
> directly, bypassing the kernel serial and tty subsystem.
>
> And it is this fact that I fear may be a problem with the PCI card. I
> don't think it will work with speakup at all.
>
> If you have other serial ports, what I'd do is move one device off one
> of those onto the PCI serial card, and put the synth on one of the
> serial ports on the main motherboard. I say this because a PCI serial
> card is very likely not to have been assigned standard I/O and IRQ
> settings of a normal serial port.
>
> hth
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Re: startech serial card

[Chuck Hallenbeck]

Randy,

I doubt if removing the modem will help. I recently had a computer with 
one built-in serial port and a second serial port on a PCI card such as 
yours. I wanted to have a refreshable braille display and an external 
synthesizer on the box, and the only way to get the synthesizer to be 
recognized was to put it on the built-in port. The braille display 
worked either way, but the synthesizer only worked on the built-in port. 
My guess is that without any built-in serial ports, you can forget about 
installing with speakup. 

Chuck

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Re: startech serial card

[randy turner]

hi chuck
i guess if it isn't allready built in speakup just isn't going to see it.
so i have two questions for all of you.
how far are we from usb support with speakup?
and the second question is
where can i buy a computer that will work with speakup??
thanks to all
randy turner






On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote:

> Randy,
>
> I doubt if removing the modem will help. I recently had a computer with
> one built-in serial port and a second serial port on a PCI card such as
> yours. I wanted to have a refreshable braille display and an external
> synthesizer on the box, and the only way to get the synthesizer to be
> recognized was to put it on the built-in port. The braille display
> worked either way, but the synthesizer only worked on the built-in port.
> My guess is that without any built-in serial ports, you can forget about
> installing with speakup.
>
> Chuck
>
> -- 
> The Moon is Waning Crescent (42% of Full)
> Only 10 kinds of people: those who do binary, and those who do not.
> But you can get a few downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: startech serial card

[Chuck Hallenbeck]

I can't answer the question about the USB driver, but it should not be 
difficult to find a computer with a serial port on the motherboard. I 
just bought a new computer with a very nearly state-of-the-art 
motherboard, that came with a serial port on the motherboard. Laptops 
might be a different story though, or so I understand.

Chuck


On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 09:01:09AM -0600, randy turner wrote:
> 
> hi chuck
> i guess if it isn't all ready built in speakup just isn't going to see it.
> so i have two questions for all of you.
> how far are we from usb support with speakup?
> and the second question is
> where can i buy a computer that will work with speakup??
> thanks to all
> randy turner
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote:
> 
> > Randy,
> >
> > I doubt if removing the modem will help. I recently had a computer with
> > one built-in serial port and a second serial port on a PCI card such as
> > yours. I wanted to have a refreshable braille display and an external
> > synthesizer on the box, and the only way to get the synthesizer to be
> > recognized was to put it on the built-in port. The braille display
> > worked either way, but the synthesizer only worked on the built-in port.
> > My guess is that without any built-in serial ports, you can forget about
> > installing with speakup.
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > -- 
> > The Moon is Waning Crescent (42% of Full)
> > Only 10 kinds of people: those who do binary, and those who do not.
> > But you can get a few downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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Re: startech serial card

[randy turner]

hi chuck,
what brand of computer do i need to be looking at?
i just want a desktop computer
randy turner


On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote:

> I can't answer the question about the USB driver, but it should not be
> difficult to find a computer with a serial port on the motherboard. I
> just bought a new computer with a very nearly state-of-the-art
> motherboard, that came with a serial port on the motherboard. Laptops
> might be a different story though, or so I understand.
>
> Chuck
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 09:01:09AM -0600, randy turner wrote:
>>
>> hi chuck
>> i guess if it isn't all ready built in speakup just isn't going to see it.
>> so i have two questions for all of you.
>> how far are we from usb support with speakup?
>> and the second question is
>> where can i buy a computer that will work with speakup??
>> thanks to all
>> randy turner
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote:
>>
>>> Randy,
>>>
>>> I doubt if removing the modem will help. I recently had a computer with
>>> one built-in serial port and a second serial port on a PCI card such as
>>> yours. I wanted to have a refreshable braille display and an external
>>> synthesizer on the box, and the only way to get the synthesizer to be
>>> recognized was to put it on the built-in port. The braille display
>>> worked either way, but the synthesizer only worked on the built-in port.
>>> My guess is that without any built-in serial ports, you can forget about
>>> installing with speakup.
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> --
>>> The Moon is Waning Crescent (42% of Full)
>>> Only 10 kinds of people: those who do binary, and those who do not.
>>> But you can get a few downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> -- 
> The Moon is Waning Crescent (42% of Full)
> Only 10 kinds of people: those who do binary, and those who do not.
> But you can get a few downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: startech serial card

[Chuck Hallenbeck]

I didn't buy a brand name, I had someone put one together for me. The 
motherboard is the critical component, and most Intel motherboards will 
work fine. The newer ones might require newer kernels. Others here would 
have better recommendations than this, but I would be biased against 
buying a brand name that might come with Windows already installed. No 
point paying for an OS you might not need. Also, the brand names are 
more likely to have components that do not support Linux, i.e. 
components whose specs are held in secrecy. 

Chuck


On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 11:33:33AM -0600, randy turner wrote:
> hi chuck,
> what brand of computer do i need to be looking at?
> i just want a desktop computer
> randy turner
> 
> 
> On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote:
> 
> > I can't answer the question about the USB driver, but it should not be
> > difficult to find a computer with a serial port on the motherboard. I
> > just bought a new computer with a very nearly state-of-the-art
> > motherboard, that came with a serial port on the motherboard. Laptops
> > might be a different story though, or so I understand.
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 09:01:09AM -0600, randy turner wrote:
> >>
> >> hi chuck
> >> i guess if it isn't all ready built in speakup just isn't going to see it.
> >> so i have two questions for all of you.
> >> how far are we from usb support with speakup?
> >> and the second question is
> >> where can i buy a computer that will work with speakup??
> >> thanks to all
> >> randy turner
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote:
> >>
> >>> Randy,
> >>>
> >>> I doubt if removing the modem will help. I recently had a computer with
> >>> one built-in serial port and a second serial port on a PCI card such as
> >>> yours. I wanted to have a refreshable braille display and an external
> >>> synthesizer on the box, and the only way to get the synthesizer to be
> >>> recognized was to put it on the built-in port. The braille display
> >>> worked either way, but the synthesizer only worked on the built-in port.
> >>> My guess is that without any built-in serial ports, you can forget about
> >>> installing with speakup.
> >>>
> >>> Chuck
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> The Moon is Waning Crescent (42% of Full)
> >>> Only 10 kinds of people: those who do binary, and those who do not.
> >>> But you can get a few downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Speakup mailing list
> >>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >>>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> > -- 
> > The Moon is Waning Crescent (42% of Full)
> > Only 10 kinds of people: those who do binary, and those who do not.
> > But you can get a few downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
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Re: startech serial card

[randy turner]

hi chuck,
i have been sort of thinking of the same idea
finding someone who really knows what they are doing
is sort of a challange
think that i will call around and see if there are any shops
that put them together for you.
thanks for all of the support
randy turner


On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote:

> I didn't buy a brand name, I had someone put one together for me. The
> motherboard is the critical component, and most Intel motherboards will
> work fine. The newer ones might require newer kernels. Others here would
> have better recommendations than this, but I would be biased against
> buying a brand name that might come with Windows already installed. No
> point paying for an OS you might not need. Also, the brand names are
> more likely to have components that do not support Linux, i.e.
> components whose specs are held in secrecy.
>
> Chuck
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 11:33:33AM -0600, randy turner wrote:
>> hi chuck,
>> what brand of computer do i need to be looking at?
>> i just want a desktop computer
>> randy turner
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote:
>>
>>> I can't answer the question about the USB driver, but it should not be
>>> difficult to find a computer with a serial port on the motherboard. I
>>> just bought a new computer with a very nearly state-of-the-art
>>> motherboard, that came with a serial port on the motherboard. Laptops
>>> might be a different story though, or so I understand.
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 09:01:09AM -0600, randy turner wrote:
>>>>
>>>> hi chuck
>>>> i guess if it isn't all ready built in speakup just isn't going to see it.
>>>> so i have two questions for all of you.
>>>> how far are we from usb support with speakup?
>>>> and the second question is
>>>> where can i buy a computer that will work with speakup??
>>>> thanks to all
>>>> randy turner
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Randy,
>>>>>
>>>>> I doubt if removing the modem will help. I recently had a computer with
>>>>> one built-in serial port and a second serial port on a PCI card such as
>>>>> yours. I wanted to have a refreshable braille display and an external
>>>>> synthesizer on the box, and the only way to get the synthesizer to be
>>>>> recognized was to put it on the built-in port. The braille display
>>>>> worked either way, but the synthesizer only worked on the built-in port.
>>>>> My guess is that without any built-in serial ports, you can forget about
>>>>> installing with speakup.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> The Moon is Waning Crescent (42% of Full)
>>>>> Only 10 kinds of people: those who do binary, and those who do not.
>>>>> But you can get a few downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>
>>> --
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>>> Only 10 kinds of people: those who do binary, and those who do not.
>>> But you can get a few downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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>>
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>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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> But you can get a few downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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>

Re: startech serial card

[randy turner]

hi Chuck,
i might try pulling out that built in modem and see
if it works then,
windows tells me that it shows up as com1
the only other serial device in the computer is a modem
i am not sure what com port it is on
the only think that i can think to do is to pull the
modem out and see what happens.
thanks
randy turner


On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote:

> Randy, Greg,
>
> The card should not need any special driver, but if it comes up in Linux
> as tty4, you have a problem. Speakup only probes for the first four
> serial ports, tty0 through tty3, so it will not work with a serial port
> at tty4.
>
> Chuck
>
> -- 
> The Moon is Waning Crescent (43% of Full)
> Only 10 kinds of people: those who do binary, and those who do not.
> But you can get a few downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: startech serial card

[Gregory Nowak]

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I very much doubt that pulling the modem would solve your problem,
especially if it is a software-based modem, as the majority of modems
made today are. Back in the days of isa slots, pulling the modem might
have very well solved your problem, but I'm afraid that it most likely
won't be the solution in this situation.

As for getting a brand-name machine with a serial port, there are
still companies selling machines with at least one serial port on the
motherboard. However, as Chuck has pointed out, if you go that route,
you'll most likely end up paying for software you don't want/need, and
you are running the risk of getting components not supported by
linux. In the first case, I've heard that companies are willing to
sell you a machine with an empty hard drive for a lower price, if you
tell them that's what you want. If a particular company refuses to do
so, I think chances are good that one of their many competitors will
be happy to oblige.

In the second case, once you've picked a brand/model, get an exact list of
what's in the system, and search the linux source, or the web, to find
out if all the hardware is either supported by linux directly, or by a
third-party free, or non-free driver, of which speakup is a good
example. As Chuck has also pointed out, you can have someone
custom-build a machine for you, though that's likely to be more
expensive then a brand-name box.

Finally, if you're comfortable working without speech, you can mount a
floppy, redirect dmesg and lspci to files on the floppy, and get the
information that way. If you'd prefer speech, and have a linux
supported sound card in your system, you can use grml, or whatever
other livecd supports software speech to do so.

Greg


On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 08:01:06AM -0600, randy turner wrote:
> 
> hi Chuck,
> i might try pulling out that built in modem and see
> if it works then,
> windows tells me that it shows up as com1
> the only other serial device in the computer is a modem
> i am not sure what com port it is on
> the only think that i can think to do is to pull the
> modem out and see what happens.
> thanks
> randy turner
> 
> 

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Re: startech serial card

[Janina Sajka]

Jannia

randy turner writes:
> 
> hi all,
> does speakup work with pci rs232 serial cards?
> the manual says that it will work in linux
> my guess is that i might need to load a driver
> before i load speakup?
> 
> any ideas on how to do this?
> thanks in advance
> randy turner
> 
> 
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Re: Fetchmail and SSL

[Gregory Nowak]

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Yes. In your $HOME/.fetchmailrc, you want to put

ssl

on a line by itself, after the line with the user and password, but
before the line that says fetchall. You can probably specify this
globally, but someone else will have to tell you how to do that, or you
can look it up for yourself.

Greg


On Wed, Nov 08, 2006 at 05:47:27PM +0100, Christian wrote:
> Hi all,
> Can fetchmail handle SSL?
> Many thanks,
> Christian
> 
> 
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Re[2]: Fetchmail and SSL

[Christian]

Hi,
Many thanks for that, will give that a try. One little question i have is at the beginning of some messages, like yours that pgp signed message, where can i get more info about this and what it does and why to use it?
Many thanks,
Christian


On 2006-11-08 at 11:52 Gregory Nowak wrote:

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>Yes. In your $HOME/.fetchmailrc, you want to put
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>ssl
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>on a line by itself, after the line with the user and password, but
>before the line that says fetchall. You can probably specify this
>globally, but someone else will have to tell you how to do that, or you
>can look it up for yourself.
>
>Greg
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>On Wed, Nov 08, 2006 at 05:47:27PM +0100, Christian wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> Can fetchmail handle SSL?
>> Many thanks,
>> Christian
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Re: Fetchmail and SSL

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Wed, Nov 08, 2006 at 09:45:25PM +0100, Christian wrote:
> One little question i have is at the beginning of some messages, like yours that pgp signed message, where can i get more info about this and what it does and why to use it?

http://www.gnupg.org

Greg


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