off-topic posts

off-topic posts

[John Heim]

Is anyone besides me bothered by the huge number of off-topic posts to this 
list?

I guess I've gone OT a few times myself. But I think it was different when 
*most* of the posts were about speakup and maybe somebody would ask about a 
character-based program for whatever. It seems that the vast majority of 
posts to this list are now about ubuntu and/or orca.

I know there is a list for orca developers. Maybe there should be one for 
ubuntu & orca users. And there is a list for blind linux users. 
(blinux-list-request@redhat.comm)

Re: off-topic posts

[Gregory Nowak]

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What off topic posts are you talking about? I don't recall having seen
any off topic posts recently.

As for the ubuntu/orca/newby questions posts, this still deals with
gnu/linux. As far as I know, Kirk's policy has always been that
anything gnu/linux related goes. Unless Kirk has changed this
recently, all the recent ubuntu/orca/newby posts would seem to be
along those lines. Now, if Kirk has changed this recently, then you'd
be right that this is OT. My apologies to Kirk of course if anything
I've said here is out of line.

Greg


On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 12:34:16PM -0500, John Heim wrote:
> Is anyone besides me bothered by the huge number of off-topic posts to this 
> list?
> 
> I guess I've gone OT a few times myself. But I think it was different when 
> *most* of the posts were about speakup and maybe somebody would ask about a 
> character-based program for whatever. It seems that the vast majority of 
> posts to this list are now about ubuntu and/or orca.
> 
> I know there is a list for orca developers. Maybe there should be one for 
> ubuntu & orca users. And there is a list for blind linux users. 
> (blinux-list-request@redhat.comm)
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: off-topic posts

[John Heim]

Greg, I quite clearly explained what I was talking about.  If you want to 
tell me I'm mistaken as to what is considered OT for this list, that would 
be fine. I think it's reasonable for someone who subscribes to a list named 
"speakup" to assume it's about speakup and NOT about orca. But whether the 
orca posts are technically off-topic is not the point.

Maybe you disagree with me but there is no reason to be rude.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: off-topic posts


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> What off topic posts are you talking about? I don't recall having seen
> any off topic posts recently.
>
> As for the ubuntu/orca/newby questions posts, this still deals with
> gnu/linux. As far as I know, Kirk's policy has always been that
> anything gnu/linux related goes. Unless Kirk has changed this
> recently, all the recent ubuntu/orca/newby posts would seem to be
> along those lines. Now, if Kirk has changed this recently, then you'd
> be right that this is OT. My apologies to Kirk of course if anything
> I've said here is out of line.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 12:34:16PM -0500, John Heim wrote:
>> Is anyone besides me bothered by the huge number of off-topic posts to 
>> this
>> list?
>>
>> I guess I've gone OT a few times myself. But I think it was different 
>> when
>> *most* of the posts were about speakup and maybe somebody would ask about 
>> a
>> character-based program for whatever. It seems that the vast majority of
>> posts to this list are now about ubuntu and/or orca.
>>
>> I know there is a list for orca developers. Maybe there should be one for
>> ubuntu & orca users. And there is a list for blind linux users.
>> (blinux-list-request@redhat.comm)
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: off-topic posts

[Gregory Nowak]

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I'm sorry. I just reread your earlier message, and noticed the
references to ubuntu/orca, which I guess my ears/brain must have
skipped over the first time around. It wasn't my intent to be rude,
and if one had assumed that I've read the entire message, one would
conclude from my reply that I was being rude. So, please accept my
apologies.

Greg



On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 01:50:01PM -0500, John Heim wrote:
> Greg, I quite clearly explained what I was talking about.  If you want to 
> tell me I'm mistaken as to what is considered OT for this list, that would 
> be fine. I think it's reasonable for someone who subscribes to a list named 
> "speakup" to assume it's about speakup and NOT about orca. But whether the 
> orca posts are technically off-topic is not the point.
> 
> Maybe you disagree with me but there is no reason to be rude.
> 

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Re: off-topic posts

[Kirk Reiser]

Well, comparing this list to some other lists I run the topics here
are just about as close as one could get to staying on topic.

I really don't want any list Nazis going on here.  As far as I am
concerned if it is about speakup/gnu/linux/synthetic speech or
applications relating to those topics it is on topic.  What is not on
topic is maybe brailletty subjects or race cars, lotteries are pretty
suspect also unless I'm the winner.  I'm not crazy about Chihuahuas or
Taco Bell for that matter so they're probably off topic also.

  Kirk

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Re: off-topic posts

[Chris Norman]

I don't think the intention was to appear rude. We're all friends here.

On Mon, 2007-04-30 at 13:50 -0500, John Heim wrote:
> Greg, I quite clearly explained what I was talking about.  If you want to 
> tell me I'm mistaken as to what is considered OT for this list, that would 
> be fine. I think it's reasonable for someone who subscribes to a list named 
> "speakup" to assume it's about speakup and NOT about orca. But whether the 
> orca posts are technically off-topic is not the point.
> 
> Maybe you disagree with me but there is no reason to be rude.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:13 PM
> Subject: Re: off-topic posts
> 
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> > What off topic posts are you talking about? I don't recall having seen
> > any off topic posts recently.
> >
> > As for the ubuntu/orca/newby questions posts, this still deals with
> > gnu/linux. As far as I know, Kirk's policy has always been that
> > anything gnu/linux related goes. Unless Kirk has changed this
> > recently, all the recent ubuntu/orca/newby posts would seem to be
> > along those lines. Now, if Kirk has changed this recently, then you'd
> > be right that this is OT. My apologies to Kirk of course if anything
> > I've said here is out of line.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 12:34:16PM -0500, John Heim wrote:
> >> Is anyone besides me bothered by the huge number of off-topic posts to 
> >> this
> >> list?
> >>
> >> I guess I've gone OT a few times myself. But I think it was different 
> >> when
> >> *most* of the posts were about speakup and maybe somebody would ask about 
> >> a
> >> character-based program for whatever. It seems that the vast majority of
> >> posts to this list are now about ubuntu and/or orca.
> >>
> >> I know there is a list for orca developers. Maybe there should be one for
> >> ubuntu & orca users. And there is a list for blind linux users.
> >> (blinux-list-request@redhat.comm)
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
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Re: off-topic posts

[John Heim]

Geez, "list nazi"?  All I did was offer an opinion that the list is getting 
to be more about orca than about speakup. Holy cow, not as if I'm setting up 
gas chambers.

Alright. I withdraw my objection.



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From: "Kirk Reiser" <kirk@braille.uwo.ca>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: off-topic posts


> Well, comparing this list to some other lists I run the topics here
> are just about as close as one could get to staying on topic.
>
> I really don't want any list Nazis going on here.  As far as I am
> concerned if it is about speakup/gnu/linux/synthetic speech or
> applications relating to those topics it is on topic.  What is not on
> topic is maybe brailletty subjects or race cars, lotteries are pretty
> suspect also unless I'm the winner.  I'm not crazy about Chihuahuas or
> Taco Bell for that matter so they're probably off topic also.
>
>  Kirk
>
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> e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario
> phone: (519) 661-3061
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> 

the joy of procmail was Re: off-topic posts

[C.M. Brannon]

"John Heim" <jheim@math.wisc.edu> writes:

> Geez, "list nazi"?  All I did was offer an opinion that the list is getting 
> to be more about orca than about speakup. Holy cow, not as if I'm setting up 
> gas chambers.

We're Linux people, and we have powerful tools at our disposal...
A well-crafted procmail rule or two can do wonders.
Most of the Orca/Ubuntu/distro-of-the-day messages have a
relevant subject line.

Take care,
-- Chris

Re: off-topic posts

[Kirk Reiser]

Well, I meant that comment to apply to myself not you.  After
rereading it I see where you would consider that I was referring to you
which I was not.  I apologize for not being more clear on that point.

I meant to say that I do not want to be a list Nazi about what issues
should or should not be discussed within the realms of what I outlined
in the other post that is.  So *no* dialogues on irritating yappy
little dogs that represent non-food organizations pretending to be
Mexican cuisine.

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Re: the joy of procmail was Re: off-topic posts

[Gregory Nowak]

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This is true, and, procmail isn't the only option in that
department. Maildrop/mailfilter is another tool that does the same
thing, and there are probably other such programs that I don't know
about.

Greg



On Tue, May 01, 2007 at 09:40:26AM -0500, C.M. Brannon wrote:
> We're Linux people, and we have powerful tools at our disposal...
> A well-crafted procmail rule or two can do wonders.
> Most of the Orca/Ubuntu/distro-of-the-day messages have a
> relevant subject line.
> 
> Take care,
> -- Chris
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: the joy of procmail was Re: off-topic posts

[John Heim]

Right, well, the clutter (if you can even call it that) isn't really my main 
problem with the OT posts. My main problem is that I think this list has 
become the de-facto list for blind linux user questions and it has all but 
killed off the blinux list. That's a shame because:
1. That list is a lot more publicized
2. It actually is for general linux questions for the blind

If you google "blind linux user"  the first couple of links are for the 
blinux list. I don't know how far you have to go down before you find a link 
to this list but it's more than a handful. I'm afraid that blind linux users 
are going to find the blinux list and conclude that there isn't much of an 
active blind linux user community.  And even if they find this list, they 
would conclude that it's about speakup. Not about orca or emacspeak.

I don't know how many people on this list are also on the blinux list. Not 
too many I think.   But every once in a while you get someone asking how to 
get started with linux. I've  steered some people here saying speakup is 
probably the best way to get started.

I don't know... I just think that if this list is going to be about linux 
for the blind, it should say so. Neatness counts. And the problem isn't 
*really* with my .procmailrc.

list----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: the joy of procmail was Re: off-topic posts


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> This is true, and, procmail isn't the only option in that
> department. Maildrop/mailfilter is another tool that does the same
> thing, and there are probably other such programs that I don't know
> about.
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 01, 2007 at 09:40:26AM -0500, C.M. Brannon wrote:
>> We're Linux people, and we have powerful tools at our disposal...
>> A well-crafted procmail rule or two can do wonders.
>> Most of the Orca/Ubuntu/distro-of-the-day messages have a
>> relevant subject line.
>>
>> Take care,
>> -- Chris
>>
>>
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>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: off-topic posts

[Samuel Thibault]

Hi,

Gregory Nowak, le Mon 30 Apr 2007 11:13:29 -0700, a écrit :
> As for the ubuntu/orca/newby questions posts, this still deals with
> gnu/linux.

Well, ok.  But I often see question that would probably be far better
answered on appropriate lists...

Samuel

Re: the joy of procmail was Re: off-topic posts

[Adam Myrow]

On Tue, 1 May 2007, John Heim wrote:

> If you google "blind linux user"  the first couple of links are for the
> blinux list. I don't know how far you have to go down before you find a link
> to this list but it's more than a handful. I'm afraid that blind linux users
> are going to find the blinux list and conclude that there isn't much of an
> active blind linux user community.

The fact that the FAQ and web page haven't been updated in years may lead 
one to the same conclusion.  For example, the question about installing 
Linux eyes-free only barely mentions Speakup, and fails to mention the 
Speakup modified Redhat, or that Slackware has included Speakup since 
version 8.0 which was released in 2001.