info on ls

info on ls

[EPYD Productions]

hi if this question is off topic or if i may get flamed for asking it, maybe
some one could give me the newbie blinux list info? i am wondering what
switch to use or the equivilent to make ls just read the file names, and not
the other info when doing the ls command? for example when i ftp, its just
too much info to liten to when trying to see what files are in a dir.
thanks.
Blind Tech
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Re: info on ls

[Laura Eaves]

you mean output not read, right?
Usually ls -l prints the long format that you don't want. Sometimes the 
default is the long format -- that depends on your shell or your ls command.
But actually I usually use the following to print a nice concise list of 
names:

ls -CFb

This has the following effect:

-C (note capital C) outputs the file names in columns with names sorted down 
each column rather than across the rows.

-F (note capital F) I believe prints a suffix character after each name 
indicating what kind of file it is.  No suffix means a regular file; @ means 
a symbolic link; * means it is executable; / means it is a directory -- and 
there may be more.

-b (note lowercase b) prints all non printable characters in the name -- in 
case there are any.  I can't remember exactly how this worked.

Anyway, these are the switches I always used and found to be very useful in 
that they compact a lot of info into a relatively small space.

HTH!
--le

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "EPYD Productions" <epyd2@hotmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 4:38 AM
Subject: info on ls


hi if this question is off topic or if i may get flamed for asking it, maybe
some one could give me the newbie blinux list info? i am wondering what
switch to use or the equivilent to make ls just read the file names, and not
the other info when doing the ls command? for example when i ftp, its just
too much info to liten to when trying to see what files are in a dir.
thanks.
Blind Tech
website: http://www.users.qwest.net/~drjann/epyd/
contact info can be found on website
email list: EPYD Radio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
EPYD the only place to be!

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Re: info on ls

[EPYD Productions]

yes i ment output sorry. but thanks for the help.
Blind Tech
website: http://www.users.qwest.net/~drjann/epyd/
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email list: EPYD Radio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Laura Eaves" <leaves1@carolina.rr.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 2:20 AM
Subject: Re: info on ls


| you mean output not read, right?
| Usually ls -l prints the long format that you don't want. Sometimes the
| default is the long format -- that depends on your shell or your ls
command.
| But actually I usually use the following to print a nice concise list of
| names:
|
| ls -CFb
|
| This has the following effect:
|
| -C (note capital C) outputs the file names in columns with names sorted
down
| each column rather than across the rows.
|
| -F (note capital F) I believe prints a suffix character after each name
| indicating what kind of file it is.  No suffix means a regular file; @
means
| a symbolic link; * means it is executable; / means it is a directory --
and
| there may be more.
|
| -b (note lowercase b) prints all non printable characters in the name --
in
| case there are any.  I can't remember exactly how this worked.
|
| Anyway, these are the switches I always used and found to be very useful
in
| that they compact a lot of info into a relatively small space.
|
| HTH!
| --le
|
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "EPYD Productions" <epyd2@hotmail.com>
| To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
| Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 4:38 AM
| Subject: info on ls
|
|
| hi if this question is off topic or if i may get flamed for asking it,
maybe
| some one could give me the newbie blinux list info? i am wondering what
| switch to use or the equivilent to make ls just read the file names, and
not
| the other info when doing the ls command? for example when i ftp, its just
| too much info to liten to when trying to see what files are in a dir.
| thanks.
| Blind Tech
| website: http://www.users.qwest.net/~drjann/epyd/
| contact info can be found on website
| email list: EPYD Radio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
| EPYD the only place to be!
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Getting speakup to work again!

[Lists]

Hi,
I  recently had some new updates p downloaded to my Fedora PC. Now when I
load up the PC my speakup no longer works. The only thing that comes out of
the speech synthesizer is something like the word "at" but nothing more
after that. There is no problem with the boot up sequence itself just that
speaku is not working. I am starting a linux course for beginners in the
next 3 weeks and was hopeing to have my speakup learned enough to help me
do this course as I am a pretty poor  novice of the linux program and how it
is used. I really need help with this. I can boot up to a command prompt but
no speech works at any point durin ght eboot up.
Many thanks for any help.

Paul.

RE: Getting speakup to work again!

[Lists]

Hi,
I  recently had some new updates downloaded to my Fedora PC. Now when I load
up the PC my speakup no longer works. The only thing that comes out of the
speech synthesizer is something like the word "at" but nothing more after
that.
I am using an apollo synth. There is no problem with the boot up sequence
itself just that speakup is not working. I am starting a Linux course for
beginners in the next 3 weeks and was hoping to have my speakup learned
enough to help me do this course as I am a pretty poor  novice of the Linux
program and how it is used. I really need help with this. I can boot up to a
command prompt but no speech works at any point during the boot up.
Many thanks for any help.

Paul.

RE: info on ls

[Dawes, Stephen]

Real good explanation Laura. 
Perhaps I should say, excellent translation of the man page for ls,
instead. 
Maybe there is a job for you in translating the man pages in to layman's
English. LOL

Blind Tech:
I know that for a new Linux user the man pages can be some what
daunting, but they do have all the information if you take the time to
read them. 
In the past you have also been told about the info system on your Linux
system.
For additional reference materials, you have also been told about the
Linux documentation project's Web site, 
http://www.tldp.org 
TLDP is a wealth of excellent information on Linux. 
Another way to find out information on a given command is to enter the
command with the help option. 
This is usually done by entering: command --help or command -h on the
command line.
For example:
ls --help <ENTER>
NOTE: <ENTER> means press the enter key.

I am not looking for a flame war this morning. I am trying to help you
avoid one in the future. 
You are now part of an excellent group of people that are willing to
help out. 
It is my experience over the years that this group is somewhat unique in
that it is willing to answer any question be they from the
first-time-user through to the-most-experienced-user.  
This group is willing to help anyone, as long as they are willing to
learn. 
This group has been known to loose patients with those showing no
willingness to learn and only want everyone else to do the work for
them.

As a pointer, I want to suggest that you try not to mix your question
and examples when looking for answers to questions.
You wrote:
"what switch to use or the equivalent to make ls just read the file
names, and not the other info when doing the ls command? 
for example when I ftp, its just too much info to listen to when trying
to see what files are in a dir."
Laura has given you an excellent answer to your question. 
However, I think that you may be a little frustrated by her answer,
because if you read on, the example is suggesting that you want
something different.
What I think you are attempting to ask is:
What switches can I use with ls when using ftp? 
What switches can I use with ls from within a ftp session?
When I use lftp, what switches can I give ls to find the files I am
looking for on a ftp site?
Any of these three example questions would have given us a better idea
of what you are looking for. 
The answer to what I believe you are looking for is that not all of the
switches for ls work with the ls within a ftp session. 
This is somewhat controlled by the ftp site administrator. 
To find out what switches you can use on the ftp site you are logged
into, use the help ls command.
Type: help ls <ENTER> at the command prompt of your ftp session. 
NOTE: <ENTER> means press the enter key.
Additionally, the help command within a ftp session will tell you all of
the commands that you are aloud to use on the ftp site you are logged
into.
Type: help <ENTER> at the command prompt of your ftp session. 
NOTE: <ENTER> means press the enter key.
Lastly, help plus a command, such as ls, will give you the information
on the given command for that ftp site.

To avoid frustration and a feeling of being attacked every time you post
to the list, I suggest that you ask clear questions and try to avoid
muddying-up the question with examples that are not directly related to
what you are asking.
Then the group doesn't have to read between the lines, and give you a
number of different answers based on translating what it is you are
attempting to find out. 
That is often when the flame wars start.


Steve Dawes
Phone: (403) 268-5527
Email: SDawes@calgary.ca
 



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