Major problem with Speakup.

Major problem with Speakup.

[Thomas D. Ward]

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Hello, list. I have recently updated to Redhat 7.1. Also I have the 2.4.3.12 source code, and want to build a custom kernel.
Problem is that Speakup won't patch the kernel. It is driving me crazy. Somebody please give me as simple a fix for this problem as possible, or please release an updated Speakup that actually works with the 2.4.3 kernels and above.
Thanks, and please get back to me ASAP. I need to get this working not only for myself, but a fellow student who mmay need to take some Unix related classes, and I want to build him a kernel as well.


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Re: Major problem with Speakup.

[Buddy Brannan]

Two things come to mind:

1. Download the standard kernel source (not the Redhat or whichever modified one) from someplace like ftp.kernel.org. Untar it...then, get the checkout script from ftp.braille.uwo.ca/pub/speakup and run it. You'll then have the latest CVS version of Speakup which works great on kernel 2.4.8 (that's what I'm running now). 
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Re: Major problem with Speakup.

[Thomas D. Ward]

Ok, this helps, and doesn't help. The computer in question does not have a
connection to the internet, and won't have one.
How can I just get the current cvs, and apply it with out having to strip
the computer apart, install a modem, setup a internet connection, apply the
cvs, and then take the modem back out, and put it back in the machine I took
it from.
Why can't Kirk or someone put the cvs patches somewhere where I can download
the latestSpeakup, already patched, and patch the kernel from that?
Why does this have to be so hard. The way it looks to me I will have to blow
away another machine just to make a dumb kernel for a machine that has been
a stand alone Linux box.
I relize this might be an unusual situation, but I don't use Linux as my
primary operating system, and thus it doesn't get all of the attention
others would put into it. However, I have to get these cvs patches without
going through heck to apply them.
Also the person I am making the kernel for wants to have the Speakup source
with the current CVS applied, and so far I see nothing like that.
Ok, any help from here would be vary welcome. Thanks, and please help me out
with this one.

Re: Major problem with Speakup.

[Gregory Nowak]

I had to do this with a machine in whcich
the modem wasn't working, but I've fixed that since.
Hopefully, you'll be able to adapt it to the hardware you have available to you,
and you hopefully have some Linux box that can connect to the net.
If you don't, then you can ignore the rest of this since it will not help you.
I created an ext2 filesystem on the 4th partition of a zip disk.
I then untared the kernel source on to a directory on that disk.
I created a link /usr/src/linux to that directory on the zip.
I then ran the checkout script.
I then took the disk over to the modemless machine,
and transfered the source tree from the disk to /usr/src/linux
on the machine.
Then, just compile like you would normally.
Of course, don't forget to run mkfs.msdos on the 4th
partition of that zip disk if you want to run it
with DOS.
Hope this helps you some how.
Greg


On Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 06:18:53PM -0400, Thomas D. Ward wrote:
> Ok, this helps, and doesn't help. The computer in question does not have a
> connection to the internet, and won't have one.
> How can I just get the current cvs, and apply it with out having to strip
> the computer apart, install a modem, setup a internet connection, apply the
> cvs, and then take the modem back out, and put it back in the machine I took
> it from.
> Why can't Kirk or someone put the cvs patches somewhere where I can download
> the latestSpeakup, already patched, and patch the kernel from that?
> Why does this have to be so hard. The way it looks to me I will have to blow
> away another machine just to make a dumb kernel for a machine that has been
> a stand alone Linux box.
> I relize this might be an unusual situation, but I don't use Linux as my
> primary operating system, and thus it doesn't get all of the attention
> others would put into it. However, I have to get these cvs patches without
> going through heck to apply them.
> Also the person I am making the kernel for wants to have the Speakup source
> with the current CVS applied, and so far I see nothing like that.
> Ok, any help from here would be vary welcome. Thanks, and please help me out
> with this one.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Major problem with Speakup.

[Kirk Wood]

WEll things may not b done simply cause Kirk (the other one) is doing all
of this on his own time for no money. Send him enough and he might be
quiet happy to provide all kinds of service.

As for a way around the situation there is a simple one. Download all you
need from a computer that has an internet connection. Then transfer the
data. (You did leave a means for data tranfer didn't you?) I find it hard
to believe nobody has a CD burner that you know of.  In fact, probably
someone has a high speed connection and a burner and would do it for the
cost of the disk. Ask your friends.

The download need not occur on a linux machine. I have downloaded many a
file from a windows machine then tranfered to my linux machine. Just
transfer in binary mode.

=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net

The mind is like a parachute; it works much better when open.
If you're too open minded, your brains will fall out.

Re: Major problem with Speakup.

[Steve Holmes]

This discussion does bring up one question for me though.  Is there a way
to get the CVS update into a single file and then deal with that in a
stand alone basis?  I'm not really up on CVS so the only part I'm familiar
with is its "on the fly patching" of files already on the system.  In the
case of speakup, I would like to use CVS to get the patches, hold them off
to the side and then apply them to a new kernel tree whenever I need them.
Does that make sense?

On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Kirk Wood wrote:

> WEll things may not b done simply cause Kirk (the other one) is doing all
> of this on his own time for no money. Send him enough and he might be
> quiet happy to provide all kinds of service.
>
> As for a way around the situation there is a simple one. Download all you
> need from a computer that has an internet connection. Then transfer the
> data. (You did leave a means for data tranfer didn't you?) I find it hard
> to believe nobody has a CD burner that you know of.  In fact, probably
> someone has a high speed connection and a burner and would do it for the
> cost of the disk. Ask your friends.
>
> The download need not occur on a linux machine. I have downloaded many a
> file from a windows machine then tranfered to my linux machine. Just
> transfer in binary mode.
>
> =======
> Kirk Wood
> Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
>
> The mind is like a parachute; it works much better when open.
> If you're too open minded, your brains will fall out.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Major problem with Speakup.

[Thomas D. Ward]

Hi, Steve. I think that you and I are on the same thought. I merely wanted a
CVS package that was in a single file that could be applied rather than this
checkout on the fly method.
I guess what I am asking is it possible to have both? The current checkout
method, and perhaps a tar ball of the files that can be backed up somewhere,
and applied to the source tree manually?

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From: "Steve Holmes" <steve@holmesgrown.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: Major problem with Speakup.


> This discussion does bring up one question for me though.  Is there a way
> to get the CVS update into a single file and then deal with that in a
> stand alone basis?  I'm not really up on CVS so the only part I'm familiar
> with is its "on the fly patching" of files already on the system.  In the
> case of speakup, I would like to use CVS to get the patches, hold them off
> to the side and then apply them to a new kernel tree whenever I need them.
> Does that make sense?
>
> On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Kirk Wood wrote:
>
> > WEll things may not b done simply cause Kirk (the other one) is doing
all
> > of this on his own time for no money. Send him enough and he might be
> > quiet happy to provide all kinds of service.
> >
> > As for a way around the situation there is a simple one. Download all
you
> > need from a computer that has an internet connection. Then transfer the
> > data. (You did leave a means for data tranfer didn't you?) I find it
hard
> > to believe nobody has a CD burner that you know of.  In fact, probably
> > someone has a high speed connection and a burner and would do it for the
> > cost of the disk. Ask your friends.
> >
> > The download need not occur on a linux machine. I have downloaded many a
> > file from a windows machine then tranfered to my linux machine. Just
> > transfer in binary mode.
> >
> > =======
> > Kirk Wood
> > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> >
> > The mind is like a parachute; it works much better when open.
> > If you're too open minded, your brains will fall out.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Major problem with Speakup.

[Janina Sajka]

If you want the easiest way to get a speakup enabled Redhat kernel, point
your favorite ftp client--on whatever OS and networked computer you do
use--to:

	ftp://speakup.octothorp.org/pub/redhat-7.1

and download Redhat 7.1 with speakup already compiled in.

Easiest? I think so--even though downloading ISO images takes time. There
are many reasons why your attempts to patch a source tree with speakup may
have failed. The fact of the matter is that speakup does compile 2.4.X
kernels. I'm currently running a post Redhat 7.1 with one of Bill's
kernels--2.4.7 to be more precise.

Also, if you can't, or don't want to download an entire iso, just get the
boot floppy image and rawrite. This will give you a speakup enabled
kernel.


Ward
wrote:

> Ok, this helps, and doesn't help. The computer in question does not have a
> connection to the internet, and won't have one.
> How can I just get the current cvs, and apply it with out having to strip
> the computer apart, install a modem, setup a internet connection, apply the
> cvs, and then take the modem back out, and put it back in the machine I took
> it from.
> Why can't Kirk or someone put the cvs patches somewhere where I can download
> the latestSpeakup, already patched, and patch the kernel from that?
> Why does this have to be so hard. The way it looks to me I will have to blow
> away another machine just to make a dumb kernel for a machine that has been
> a stand alone Linux box.
> I relize this might be an unusual situation, but I don't use Linux as my
> primary operating system, and thus it doesn't get all of the attention
> others would put into it. However, I have to get these cvs patches without
> going through heck to apply them.
> Also the person I am making the kernel for wants to have the Speakup source
> with the current CVS applied, and so far I see nothing like that.
> Ok, any help from here would be vary welcome. Thanks, and please help me out
> with this one.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

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				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

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Re: Major problem with Speakup.

[Janina Sajka]

PS: I frankly can't understand why you don't just network your linux box
anyway. Why not just make it a client to whatever box you already use for
Internet? You'll save yourself headache in the long run, I think. But,
then, you didn't ask me for my 2 cents on that subject.

Still, it's tough for me to imagine the value of insisting on a
non-networked linux box. I simply cannot imagine the benefit in that.


-- 

				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
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Re: Major problem with Speakup.

[Thomas D. Ward]

Hi, Janina and all. Well, I wasn't going to get into this, but I'll explain
why my Linux computer wasn't networked, and also had the modem taken out.
I've never mastered the operating system, and have never gotten the OS
completely working to my satisfaction.
I've tried just about every dialer and none have been able to get me on the
net. One I've been working with is wvdial, and it will dial, run ppp, and
then freeze solid.
I have tried getting Samba going, butTCIP and home networking can be
extremely confusing.
Thus I keep Linux around to fool with, but I have never intended making it
my primary operating system until X-Windows is accessable, I can scan books,
and actually get my ISP to work. I've tried two ISP's and neither would work
properly.
So I have to solve many problems before I can even aquire the CVS patches.

Re: Major problem with Speakup.

[Gregory Nowak]

Have you tried pppd?
Are you using a win modem with
Linux drivers, or a hardware modem?
Let us know some more, and maybe we can help.
Also, Scott and I have said this many a time
on the list.
Read the using the samba book if you really want
to learn about samba and if you have time
to read once in a while.
The book is some what enjoyable, and it is an easy read.
If you're interested, e-mail me privately,
And I'll send you the 5 mb zip file
(if you can recieve attachments that big).
If you can't recieve files that big, I can tell you
where to get it from.
Greg

P.S. You will never get to
understand and dare I say appreciate the buty of Linux
as a real os until You've decided to fully
plung into it.
I used to feel about it just like you,
until I decided to try not to use windows for a week, and find
Linux solutions for my everday tasks.
That choice did wonders for me in the end, and
I have never regretted it.
The only things Ireboot into Windows
for is openbook ruby and weatherbug.
Once you get used to Linux,
you will dread every reboot into windows.
Someone please correct me on the last statement if I'm at all wrong.

P.S.2 Is there a weatherbug console application for Linux?
If so, then please let me know where I can get it from.
I've looked on their sight, but the only thing they have
is the windows binary.


On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 08:22:41PM -0400, Thomas D. Ward wrote:
> Hi, Janina and all. Well, I wasn't going to get into this, but I'll explain
> why my Linux computer wasn't networked, and also had the modem taken out.
> I've never mastered the operating system, and have never gotten the OS
> completely working to my satisfaction.
> I've tried just about every dialer and none have been able to get me on the
> net. One I've been working with is wvdial, and it will dial, run ppp, and
> then freeze solid.
> I have tried getting Samba going, butTCIP and home networking can be
> extremely confusing.
> Thus I keep Linux around to fool with, but I have never intended making it
> my primary operating system until X-Windows is accessable, I can scan books,
> and actually get my ISP to work. I've tried two ISP's and neither would work
> properly.
> So I have to solve many problems before I can even aquire the CVS patches.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: using Linux was Major problem with Speakup.

[Kenny Hitt]

I agree with you.  Just the fact the system documentation is easily readable
makes a big difference.  Also, thanks to speakup, Linux is one of the few
systems I've installed without sighted help.

          Kenny

On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 11:41:15PM -0500, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> 
> P.S. You will never get to
> understand and dare I say appreciate the buty of Linux
> as a real os until You've decided to fully
> plung into it.
> I used to feel about it just like you,
> until I decided to try not to use windows for a week, and find
> Linux solutions for my everday tasks.
> That choice did wonders for me in the end, and
> I have never regretted it.
> The only things Ireboot into Windows
> for is openbook ruby and weatherbug.
> Once you get used to Linux,
> you will dread every reboot into windows.
> Someone please correct me on the last statement if I'm at all wrong.
> 
> P.S.2 Is there a weatherbug console application for Linux?
> If so, then please let me know where I can get it from.
> I've looked on their sight, but the only thing they have
> is the windows binary.
> 
> 
> On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 08:22:41PM -0400, Thomas D. Ward wrote:
> > Hi, Janina and all. Well, I wasn't going to get into this, but I'll explain
> > why my Linux computer wasn't networked, and also had the modem taken out.
> > I've never mastered the operating system, and have never gotten the OS
> > completely working to my satisfaction.
> > I've tried just about every dialer and none have been able to get me on the
> > net. One I've been working with is wvdial, and it will dial, run ppp, and
> > then freeze solid.
> > I have tried getting Samba going, butTCIP and home networking can be
> > extremely confusing.
> > Thus I keep Linux around to fool with, but I have never intended making it
> > my primary operating system until X-Windows is accessable, I can scan books,
> > and actually get my ISP to work. I've tried two ISP's and neither would work
> > properly.
> > So I have to solve many problems before I can even aquire the CVS patches.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Major problem with Speakup.

[Janina Sajka]

Thomas:

If you're having these problems now, why do you think that X will solve
them? I don't see the logic of that at all.

Instead, may I suggest that folks here would be happy to help you untangle
the issues you are having now? For example, my advice--and, again, I
realize you didn't ask for it--would be to forego cvs and resolve first
some of these other problems you're listing. How about let's get a basic
install working on your system first?

As I recall, it's a pretty nice box that you've set aside for linux. Are
you dual booting? Or, is there another computer in your life? Exactly what
devices are available on your various computers? I ask this in a basic
attempt to elicit a reasonable, cheap, way to get your various
machines--if indeed there are more than one--networked one to another.
But, only if you want to pursue it.

Also, I understand the complaint about breaking open a box in order to
remove or install hardware. Still, do you have cards sitting around that
aren't installed in any of your boxes? Or is it a case of pulling from one
in order to put into another. I wouldn't want to do that, certainly--but
it still doesn't mean there isn't a cheap and easy way to get the boxes
talking one to another.
 On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Thomas D. Ward wrote:

> Hi, Janina and all. Well, I wasn't going to get into this, but I'll explain
> why my Linux computer wasn't networked, and also had the modem taken out.
> I've never mastered the operating system, and have never gotten the OS
> completely working to my satisfaction.
> I've tried just about every dialer and none have been able to get me on the
> net. One I've been working with is wvdial, and it will dial, run ppp, and
> then freeze solid.
> I have tried getting Samba going, butTCIP and home networking can be
> extremely confusing.
> Thus I keep Linux around to fool with, but I have never intended making it
> my primary operating system until X-Windows is accessable, I can scan books,
> and actually get my ISP to work. I've tried two ISP's and neither would work
> properly.
> So I have to solve many problems before I can even aquire the CVS patches.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

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				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
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Re: Major problem with Speakup.

[Gregory Nowak]

Could I point out that network cards and cables cost money.
Yes, I know it doesn't amount to too much,
but if you ocasionally need transfer
capibilities, then that would really be a waste.
Greg


On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 04:03:59PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> PS: I frankly can't understand why you don't just network your linux box
> anyway. Why not just make it a client to whatever box you already use for
> Internet? You'll save yourself headache in the long run, I think. But,
> then, you didn't ask me for my 2 cents on that subject.
> 
> Still, it's tough for me to imagine the value of insisting on a
> non-networked linux box. I simply cannot imagine the benefit in that.
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> 				Janina Sajka, Director
> 				Technology Research and Development
> 				Governmental Relations Group
> 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> 
> Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
> 
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
> 
> Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> 
> Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> 
> Learn how to make accessible software at
> http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> 
> 
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> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Major problem with Speakup.

[Scott Howell]

Yeah, but serial cables are even less expensive an investment.




---
Scott 

On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Gregory Nowak wrote:

> Could I point out that network cards and cables cost money.
> Yes, I know it doesn't amount to too much,
> but if you ocasionally need transfer
> capibilities, then that would really be a waste.
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 04:03:59PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > PS: I frankly can't understand why you don't just network your linux box
> > anyway. Why not just make it a client to whatever box you already use for
> > Internet? You'll save yourself headache in the long run, I think. But,
> > then, you didn't ask me for my 2 cents on that subject.
> > 
> > Still, it's tough for me to imagine the value of insisting on a
> > non-networked linux box. I simply cannot imagine the benefit in that.
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > 
> > 				Janina Sajka, Director
> > 				Technology Research and Development
> > 				Governmental Relations Group
> > 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > 
> > Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > 
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> > 
> > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> > 
> > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> > 
> > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
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> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: Major problem with Speakup.

[Gregory Nowak]

How do you give a machine access to stuff like
ip masq. and samba via a serial cable?
I've got a system here that would benefit from such a connection,
but I thought all of that was possible
only over ethernet.
Greg


On Sat, Aug 18, 2001 at 08:26:26AM -0400, Scott Howell wrote:
> Yeah, but serial cables are even less expensive an investment.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ---
> Scott 
> 
> On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> 
> > Could I point out that network cards and cables cost money.
> > Yes, I know it doesn't amount to too much,
> > but if you ocasionally need transfer
> > capibilities, then that would really be a waste.
> > Greg
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 04:03:59PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > > PS: I frankly can't understand why you don't just network your linux box
> > > anyway. Why not just make it a client to whatever box you already use for
> > > Internet? You'll save yourself headache in the long run, I think. But,
> > > then, you didn't ask me for my 2 cents on that subject.
> > > 
> > > Still, it's tough for me to imagine the value of insisting on a
> > > non-networked linux box. I simply cannot imagine the benefit in that.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > 
> > > 				Janina Sajka, Director
> > > 				Technology Research and Development
> > > 				Governmental Relations Group
> > > 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > > 
> > > Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > > 
> > > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > http://www.openebook.org
> > > 
> > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> > > 
> > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> > > 
> > > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
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> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> 
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Re: Major problem with Speakup.

[Kirk Wood]

On Sat, 18 Aug 2001, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> How do you give a machine access to stuff like
> ip masq. and samba via a serial cable?
> I've got a system here that would benefit from such a connection,
> but I thought all of that was possible
> only over ethernet.

Actually, this is where the superiority of linux over a certain popular OS
comes into play. ipmasq, samba and other tools work the same over any
network connection. It matters not if you use serial, ethernet, token
ring, or fddi.

If I was setting up the serial connection I would probably look to make it
simple and setup ppp or slip. Both are simply designed around a serial
connection though typically employ a modem. But the modem isn't needed. If
you have one machine connected and a free serial port, you should be able
to setup another using that serial port pretty easily. In fact, I checked
and the PPP howto covers setting it up over a null modem cable.

=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net

The mind is like a parachute; it works much better when open.
If you're too open minded, your brains will fall out.

Re: Major problem with Speakup.

[Gregory Nowak]

Cool. Thanks, I'll check it out.
Personaly, I've always thought that serial transfer
abilities of the other popular os were trash.
Greg


On Sat, Aug 18, 2001 at 11:05:10AM -0500, Kirk Wood wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Aug 2001, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> > How do you give a machine access to stuff like
> > ip masq. and samba via a serial cable?
> > I've got a system here that would benefit from such a connection,
> > but I thought all of that was possible
> > only over ethernet.
> 
> Actually, this is where the superiority of linux over a certain popular OS
> comes into play. ipmasq, samba and other tools work the same over any
> network connection. It matters not if you use serial, ethernet, token
> ring, or fddi.
> 
> If I was setting up the serial connection I would probably look to make it
> simple and setup ppp or slip. Both are simply designed around a serial
> connection though typically employ a modem. But the modem isn't needed. If
> you have one machine connected and a free serial port, you should be able
> to setup another using that serial port pretty easily. In fact, I checked
> and the PPP howto covers setting it up over a null modem cable.
> 
> =======
> Kirk Wood
> Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> 
> The mind is like a parachute; it works much better when open.
> If you're too open minded, your brains will fall out.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Major problem with Speakup.

[Brian Borowski]

You could also use plip with the appropriate parallel cable between the
machines, and the speed would be much better than serial; an old dos
interlink cable would do, I think.

Brian Borowski



On Sat, 18 Aug 2001, Kirk Wood wrote:

> On Sat, 18 Aug 2001, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> > How do you give a machine access to stuff like
> > ip masq. and samba via a serial cable?
> > I've got a system here that would benefit from such a connection,
> > but I thought all of that was possible
> > only over ethernet.
>
> Actually, this is where the superiority of linux over a certain popular OS
> comes into play. ipmasq, samba and other tools work the same over any
> network connection. It matters not if you use serial, ethernet, token
> ring, or fddi.
>
> If I was setting up the serial connection I would probably look to make it
> simple and setup ppp or slip. Both are simply designed around a serial
> connection though typically employ a modem. But the modem isn't needed. If
> you have one machine connected and a free serial port, you should be able
> to setup another using that serial port pretty easily. In fact, I checked
> and the PPP howto covers setting it up over a null modem cable.
>
> =======
> Kirk Wood
> Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
>
> The mind is like a parachute; it works much better when open.
> If you're too open minded, your brains will fall out.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>

Re: Major problem with Speakup.

[Tommy Moore]

Hi there. You'll have to use the cvs version of speakup for 2.4.3-12.
My suggestion would be ot go get the kernel source from ftp.us.kernel.org
because there's 2.4.8 out now.
If you want to stick with official RH kernels though you can use that.

Tommy

Re: Major problem with Speakup.

[Amanda Lee]

BTW:  whomever noted the double messaging from this list isn't the only
person receiving duplicates messages in the same list.

It's most likely a problem associated with the list serv itself.

Additionally, agree on please keep message content in text only.  I prefer
using a shell account for email which doesn't read html code.

Thanks!  -  Amanda Lee
Alexandria, VA



On Thu, 16 Aug 2001, Tommy Moore wrote:

> Hi there. You'll have to use the cvs version of speakup for 2.4.3-12.
> My suggestion would be ot go get the kernel source from ftp.us.kernel.org
> because there's 2.4.8 out now.
> If you want to stick with official RH kernels though you can use that.
>
> Tommy
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Major problem with Speakup.

[Thomas D. Ward]

Sorry about the html messages. I was using a different machine, and forgot
to switch the message type to text.
I think I just changed it. Please, let me know if you are still getting html
messages. I think I got it switched off.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Amanda Lee" <amanda@shellworld.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: Major problem with Speakup.


> BTW:  whomever noted the double messaging from this list isn't the only
> person receiving duplicates messages in the same list.
>
> It's most likely a problem associated with the list serv itself.
>
> Additionally, agree on please keep message content in text only.  I prefer
> using a shell account for email which doesn't read html code.
>
> Thanks!  -  Amanda Lee
> Alexandria, VA
>
>
>
> On Thu, 16 Aug 2001, Tommy Moore wrote:
>
> > Hi there. You'll have to use the cvs version of speakup for 2.4.3-12.
> > My suggestion would be ot go get the kernel source from
ftp.us.kernel.org
> > because there's 2.4.8 out now.
> > If you want to stick with official RH kernels though you can use that.
> >
> > Tommy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Major problem with Speakup.

[Amanda Lee]

Yup

"I see no html here"

Thanks!  -  Amanda



On Thu, 16 Aug 2001, Thomas D. Ward wrote:

> Sorry about the html messages. I was using a different machine, and forgot
> to switch the message type to text.
> I think I just changed it. Please, let me know if you are still getting html
> messages. I think I got it switched off.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Amanda Lee" <amanda@shellworld.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 9:00 PM
> Subject: Re: Major problem with Speakup.
>
>
> > BTW:  whomever noted the double messaging from this list isn't the only
> > person receiving duplicates messages in the same list.
> >
> > It's most likely a problem associated with the list serv itself.
> >
> > Additionally, agree on please keep message content in text only.  I prefer
> > using a shell account for email which doesn't read html code.
> >
> > Thanks!  -  Amanda Lee
> > Alexandria, VA
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 16 Aug 2001, Tommy Moore wrote:
> >
> > > Hi there. You'll have to use the cvs version of speakup for 2.4.3-12.
> > > My suggestion would be ot go get the kernel source from
> ftp.us.kernel.org
> > > because there's 2.4.8 out now.
> > > If you want to stick with official RH kernels though you can use that.
> > >
> > > Tommy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Major problem with Speakup.

[Gene Collins]

Write to wacker@octothorp.org, he's the redhat guy.

Gene

p.s.  Please set your mailer to not send html, not everyone uses an html
mail reader.

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>Hello, list. I have recently updated to Redhat 7.1. Also I have the =
>2.4.3.12 source code, and want to build a custom kernel.
>Problem is that Speakup won't patch the kernel. It is driving me crazy. =
>Somebody please give me as simple a fix for this problem as possible, or =
>please release an updated Speakup that actually works with the 2.4.3 =
>kernels and above.
>Thanks, and please get back to me ASAP. I need to get this working not =
>only for myself, but a fellow student who mmay need to take some Unix =
>related classes, and I want to build him a kernel as well.
>
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Re: Major problem with Speakup.

[William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123]

RPMs for the 2.4.3-12 redhat kernel with Speakup already compiled in can
be found at ftp://speakup.octothorp.org/pub/redhat-7.1.  If you have any
questions call or write.  Calling will usually get a quicker response.




          HTH.
          Bill in Denver

Re: Major problem with Speakup.

[Thomas D. Ward]

Hey, Bill. thanks for that info. I really needed this.
I downloaded the following file:
kernel-2.4.3-12.athlon.rpm.
I am assuming this was the file you mentioned.
Now what do I do to make sure Speakup works with my Dectalk Express.
I've never put someone elses kernel in like this, and I want to make sure
that all the modules, synths, and all that work ok.
So please give me a step by step directions on this. Thank you vary much.

----- Original Message -----
From: "William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123" <wacker@octothorp.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: Major problem with Speakup.


> RPMs for the 2.4.3-12 redhat kernel with Speakup already compiled in can
> be found at ftp://speakup.octothorp.org/pub/redhat-7.1.  If you have any
> questions call or write.  Calling will usually get a quicker response.
>
>
>
>
>           HTH.
>           Bill in Denver
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Major problem with Speakup.

[William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123]

I'm not sure what state your system is in.  If you already installed the
2.4.3-12 RPMs from Red Hat, you can do.  rpm -Uv
kernel-2.4.3-12.athlon.rpm --force --ignorearch
Then run lilo by typing lilo at a shell prompt.  You should see something
like: "added linux*".  If you have the original 2.4.2-2 kernel, you should
also download the kernel-headers, kernel-doc, kernel-source, and devfsd
packages.  BTW, I hope you really have an athlon.  If not, download the
correct version of the kernel i386, i586, or i686.  Only the kernel itself
will have designations other than i386.  The dock, headers, and source
packages are labeled i386 only.  If you're upgrading from the 2.4.2-2
kernel, you'll need to edit /etc/lilo.conf in order to change the line that
says: image=vmlinuz-2.4.2-2.  It should now read image=vmlinuz-2.4.3-12.



          HTH.
          Bill

Re: Major problem with Speakup.

[Thomas D. Ward]

Hi, Bill. Thanks for the info. However, I will give you some info about my
system here.
I've already updated from 2.4.2 to the 2.4.3.12 headers, kernels, devs, etc.
That was no problem. I grabbed the Athlon because that is my processor type.
To be specific a 1.2 GHZ Athlon Thunderbird.
I'm sitting on a fast machine here, and well might as well get the best
Linux can offer for it.
I'll try this, and let you know if the updates work ok.

----- Original Message -----
From: "William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123" <wacker@octothorp.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 12:28 AM
Subject: Re: Major problem with Speakup.


> I'm not sure what state your system is in.  If you already installed the
> 2.4.3-12 RPMs from Red Hat, you can do.  rpm -Uv
> kernel-2.4.3-12.athlon.rpm --force --ignorearch
> Then run lilo by typing lilo at a shell prompt.  You should see something
> like: "added linux*".  If you have the original 2.4.2-2 kernel, you should
> also download the kernel-headers, kernel-doc, kernel-source, and devfsd
> packages.  BTW, I hope you really have an athlon.  If not, download the
> correct version of the kernel i386, i586, or i686.  Only the kernel itself
> will have designations other than i386.  The dock, headers, and source
> packages are labeled i386 only.  If you're upgrading from the 2.4.2-2
> kernel, you'll need to edit /etc/lilo.conf in order to change the line
that
> says: image=vmlinuz-2.4.2-2.  It should now read image=vmlinuz-2.4.3-12.
>
>
>
>           HTH.
>           Bill
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Major problem with Speakup.

[Gregory Nowak]

Hey, very nice cpu there.
Greg


On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 01:52:19AM -0400, Thomas D. Ward wrote:
> Hi, Bill. Thanks for the info. However, I will give you some info about my
> system here.
> I've already updated from 2.4.2 to the 2.4.3.12 headers, kernels, devs, etc.
> That was no problem. I grabbed the Athlon because that is my processor type.
> To be specific a 1.2 GHZ Athlon Thunderbird.
> I'm sitting on a fast machine here, and well might as well get the best
> Linux can offer for it.
> I'll try this, and let you know if the updates work ok.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123" <wacker@octothorp.org>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 12:28 AM
> Subject: Re: Major problem with Speakup.
> 
> 
> > I'm not sure what state your system is in.  If you already installed the
> > 2.4.3-12 RPMs from Red Hat, you can do.  rpm -Uv
> > kernel-2.4.3-12.athlon.rpm --force --ignorearch
> > Then run lilo by typing lilo at a shell prompt.  You should see something
> > like: "added linux*".  If you have the original 2.4.2-2 kernel, you should
> > also download the kernel-headers, kernel-doc, kernel-source, and devfsd
> > packages.  BTW, I hope you really have an athlon.  If not, download the
> > correct version of the kernel i386, i586, or i686.  Only the kernel itself
> > will have designations other than i386.  The dock, headers, and source
> > packages are labeled i386 only.  If you're upgrading from the 2.4.2-2
> > kernel, you'll need to edit /etc/lilo.conf in order to change the line
> that
> > says: image=vmlinuz-2.4.2-2.  It should now read image=vmlinuz-2.4.3-12.
> >
> >
> >
> >           HTH.
> >           Bill
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> 
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