mlb.com

mlb.com

[Cheryl Homiak]

Am I correct in assuming that the audio at mlb.com is still inaccessible to
Linux users? I just tried it with links and lynx and got nowhere. I noticed some
kind of initial download is required but there isn't one for linux that I can
see. Of course, I know one has to pay but there was supposed to be audio you
could sample first and I'm not about to pay for it if I can't get anything to
work in the first place.

Cheryl

Re: mlb.com

[Paul Migliorelli (+1 3 0 3 5 4 3 2 3 1 1)]

Yep, looks like it's the same inaccessible audio, and I remember in years 
past the only response from customer disservice over there was the usual 
get windows like everybody else has.

Re: mlb.com

[Thomas D. Ward]

Yeah, and it is the answer I hate most. I hate the "Get windows like
everyone else has," because they continue to force a propriatary, over
priced, worthless excuse of an os on the world.

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Migliorelli (+1 3 0 3 5 4 3 2 3 1 1) <paulmigs@migliorelli.org>
To: speakup <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 1:15 AM
Subject: Re: mlb.com


> Yep, looks like it's the same inaccessible audio, and I remember in years
> past the only response from customer disservice over there was the usual
> get windows like everybody else has.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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mlb.com

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

What's MLB.com?

Ann P.

-- 
			Ann K. Parsons  
email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
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Re: mlb.com

[Thomas D. Ward]

It's a major league baseball site. It's also a major league accessibility
nightmare if you are only using Linux as an operating system.

----- Original Message -----
From: Ann Parsons <akp@eznet.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 7:39 AM
Subject: mlb.com


> Hi all,
>
> What's MLB.com?
>
> Ann P.
>
> --
> Ann K. Parsons
> email:  akp@eznet.net ICQ Number:  33006854
> WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> "All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."
JRRT
>
>
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Re: mlb.com

[Charles Crawford]

Are you using real player?

On Fri, 25 Apr 2003, Cheryl Homiak wrote:

> Am I correct in assuming that the audio at mlb.com is still inaccessible to
> Linux users? I just tried it with links and lynx and got nowhere. I noticed some
> kind of initial download is required but there isn't one for linux that I can
> see. Of course, I know one has to pay but there was supposed to be audio you
> could sample first and I'm not about to pay for it if I can't get anything to
> work in the first place.
> 
> Cheryl
> 
> 
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-- Charlie Crawford

Re: mlb.com

[Ann Parsons]

Hi Thomas,

Thanks, not a sports fan, but any type of inaccessibility is
maddening.  

Ann P.

-- 
			Ann K. Parsons  
email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
"All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT

Re: mlb.com

[Lorenzo Prince]

Don't worry.  One of these days they will be saying "Get Linux like
everyone else has."   I and others at my school are thinking Microsoft
will eventually get so arrogant that they and their worthless OS will
become a thing of the past.  I am willing to go so far as to say Microsoft
will fall within the next 10 to 20 years.  Let our voices be heard
throughout the open source community and throughout the world.  DOWN WITH
MICROSOFT!  DOWN WITH WINDOWS!  LONG LIVE LINUX!

Lorenzo

>Ever heard of .cshrc?
That's a city in Bosnia.  Right?
	-- Discussion in comp.os.linux.misc on the intuitiveness of commands

Thomas D. Ward staggered into view and mumbled:

> Yeah, and it is the answer I hate most. I hate the "Get windows like
> everyone else has," because they continue to force a propriatary, over
> priced, worthless excuse of an os on the world.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paul Migliorelli (+1 3 0 3 5 4 3 2 3 1 1) <paulmigs@migliorelli.org>
> To: speakup <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 1:15 AM
> Subject: Re: mlb.com
>
>
> > Yep, looks like it's the same inaccessible audio, and I remember in years
> > past the only response from customer disservice over there was the usual
> > get windows like everybody else has.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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Re: mlb.com

[Thomas D. Ward]

Actually, I think Windows Long Horn is going to be the os that kills
Microsoft. They are packing so much spy ware into it that if the average
user saw the invasion of privacy they would be shocked.
They also have a nice little feature in Long Horn where Microsoft if they
even think you remotely are illegally using their software they can remotely
shut your system down..

----- Original Message -----
From: Lorenzo Prince <lorenzo@princenet.sytes.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: mlb.com


> Don't worry.  One of these days they will be saying "Get Linux like
> everyone else has."   I and others at my school are thinking Microsoft
> will eventually get so arrogant that they and their worthless OS will
> become a thing of the past.  I am willing to go so far as to say Microsoft
> will fall within the next 10 to 20 years.  Let our voices be heard
> throughout the open source community and throughout the world.  DOWN WITH
> MICROSOFT!  DOWN WITH WINDOWS!  LONG LIVE LINUX!
>
> Lorenzo
>
> >Ever heard of .cshrc?
> That's a city in Bosnia.  Right?
> -- Discussion in comp.os.linux.misc on the intuitiveness of commands
>
> Thomas D. Ward staggered into view and mumbled:
>
> > Yeah, and it is the answer I hate most. I hate the "Get windows like
> > everyone else has," because they continue to force a propriatary, over
> > priced, worthless excuse of an os on the world.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Paul Migliorelli (+1 3 0 3 5 4 3 2 3 1 1)
<paulmigs@migliorelli.org>
> > To: speakup <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 1:15 AM
> > Subject: Re: mlb.com
> >
> >
> > > Yep, looks like it's the same inaccessible audio, and I remember in
years
> > > past the only response from customer disservice over there was the
usual
> > > get windows like everybody else has.
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
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Re: mlb.com

[Lorenzo Prince]

Well, then I guess Microsoft will become a terrible piece of computer
history sooner than we think.  I would give Windows a couple more years
after Longhorn, because people will try to use XP as long as they can, but
eventually, they will be forced either by microsoft to switch to longhorn
and all its spyware and other invasions of privacy, or by their sence of
privacy and security to switch to a real OS like Linux or Freebsd, which
would actually work better for anyone who tried such systems.  It's just
that until now, no one has really been forced by Microsoft to seek out
other alternatives, and people are afraid of switching to an OS that they
don't know about.

"Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk?"
Microsoft spel chekar vor sail, worgs grate !!
	-- Felix von Leitner, leitner@inf.fu-berlin.de

Thomas D. Ward staggered into view and mumbled:

> Actually, I think Windows Long Horn is going to be the os that kills
> Microsoft. They are packing so much spy ware into it that if the average
> user saw the invasion of privacy they would be shocked.
> They also have a nice little feature in Long Horn where Microsoft if they
> even think you remotely are illegally using their software they can remotely
> shut your system down..
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Lorenzo Prince <lorenzo@princenet.sytes.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 1:40 PM
> Subject: Re: mlb.com
>
>
> > Don't worry.  One of these days they will be saying "Get Linux like
> > everyone else has."   I and others at my school are thinking Microsoft
> > will eventually get so arrogant that they and their worthless OS will
> > become a thing of the past.  I am willing to go so far as to say Microsoft
> > will fall within the next 10 to 20 years.  Let our voices be heard
> > throughout the open source community and throughout the world.  DOWN WITH
> > MICROSOFT!  DOWN WITH WINDOWS!  LONG LIVE LINUX!
> >
> > Lorenzo
> >
> > >Ever heard of .cshrc?
> > That's a city in Bosnia.  Right?
> > -- Discussion in comp.os.linux.misc on the intuitiveness of commands
> >
> > Thomas D. Ward staggered into view and mumbled:
> >
> > > Yeah, and it is the answer I hate most. I hate the "Get windows like
> > > everyone else has," because they continue to force a propriatary, over
> > > priced, worthless excuse of an os on the world.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Paul Migliorelli (+1 3 0 3 5 4 3 2 3 1 1)
> <paulmigs@migliorelli.org>
> > > To: speakup <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 1:15 AM
> > > Subject: Re: mlb.com
> > >
> > >
> > > > Yep, looks like it's the same inaccessible audio, and I remember in
> years
> > > > past the only response from customer disservice over there was the
> usual
> > > > get windows like everybody else has.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
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Re: mlb.com

[Shaun Oliver]

*SNIP*
It's just
that until now, no one has really been forced by Microsoft to seek out
other alternatives, and people are afraid of switching to an OS that
they
don't know about.
*SNIP*
the above statement is quite true.
despite the fact that unix and it's many and varied spin offs are a much
better solution for a stable computing environment, there's still the
matter of hand holding and unix don't do that.
my partner's father has just installed red hat 9.0 and is trying it out
just to see how well he can handle it. he knows a good deal about
computers but has never dealt with unix or linux in any way apart from
watching me deal with it and swear at it from time to time.
I can see both sides of the coin here. on one hand, the migrating users
would like things to be less cryptically labled in the gui environment
and possibly placed in some logical order or structure so as they could
find things alot easier. however, too much hand holding breeds
complacency and ignorence.
but, like I say at least for the newbie, unless there is a windows 98
like interface for x, they won't go near it mainly because they're too
afraid they'll break something.
and again, not everyone would know how to set up a cache only name
server for dns if they choose to use that linux machine for the internet
by way of a gateway etc.
moreover, unless they're incline to learn linux, and learn the
commandline all over again, they won't want to touch it with a barge
poll.
my argument is however, if you want stability forget about windows. you
ain't gonna get it there.
use a real os instead.
but again, it's each to their own. we need to go out and spread the
word. and as we've done for each other here, be prepared to answer some
really dumb questions. and if necissary, go and do the thing they want.
it doesn't take much to help someone. we were all there once.
that's my $0.02 worth.

-- 
Shaun Oliver

"Before I knew the best part of my life had come, it had gone."

EMAIL: shaun_oliver@optusnet.com.au
ICQ: 76958435
YAHOO: blindman01_2000
MSN: blindman_2001@hotmail.com
AIM: captain nemo 200

the future of Linux (was Re: mlb.com)

[Adam Myrow]

Linux has reached a very critical point in its history IMHO.  People are
starting to get sick of Microsoft's buggy code and invasive tactics and
they want an alternative.  The word about Linux has started to spread.
Yet, Linux is a much more complicated OS than Windows.  Most home users
don't want to have to type a username and password just to access their
computer.  They don't want to be told that they don't have permission to
install a software package and thus, have to remember a second password to
install it.  Yet, this is how Linux and the Unix systems that inspired it
work.  We who use Linux see the advantage of this.  It keeps us on our
toes and forces us to think before we delete that big bunch of files and
makes us decide just how badly we want that new software before we hastily
install it.

So, we have two types of users interested in Linux.  We have the old Unix
veterans and DOS users where a command-line is second-nature.  We have the
new generation of computer users who don't even know what the command
prompt in Windows is for and never use the "run" command.  How can we
please both?  Well, there is the saying that you can't please everybody,
but I think we could come close.  I'd like to see a home edition of Linux
which bypassed the login procedure and dropped the user into some kind of
GUI.  It would still require the root password to do certain things like
install and remove software, but most things would be done as a normal
user.  This hypothetical Linux would have very good hardware detection and
be able to load modules for pretty much any hardware you throw at it.
Redhat and its derivatives are handling much of the hardware detection
already, but they aren't quite up to Windows yet.  To make the home user
want to use them, they need to be as good (and preferably better) than
Windows at picking up hardware and setting it up.  Redhat has never
detected my modem, for example.

For people like myself who like to fiddle with our systems and like the
way Unix works, there should continue to be the traditional Linux.
Another approach is to make it the same OS, but give the user a choice of
whether they want it set up for home use or multi-user mode at install
time, or first boot in the case of a computer shipping with Linux.  The
various versions of Linux out now are a mixed blessing.  On the good side,
they give choice as to how they want their system to feel.  I like the "do
it yourself" attitude of Slackware while others like Redhat's automation.
On the bad side, many software vendors have picked Redhat as the only
Linux distribution they support.  I fear that Redhat will become the
Microsoft of Linux and kill off competition.  I want software to use an
install/uninstall procedure that isn't distribution-specific.

Well, I guess that's enough rambling.  The bottom line is that the next
few years are absolutely critical and I think it will be quite obvious
whether Linux will succeed as a home-user OS or remain a niche OS within
the next 5 years.  I think that no matter what, Microsoft is starting to
really get in trouble and users finally realize that the computer randomly
locking up or their word processor crashing in the middle of writing that
important document isn't normal and should not be treated as such.

Re: the future of Linux (was Re: mlb.com)

[Aaron Howell]

Home user linux you say?
http://www.lycoris.com (or lycoris.org if you're more interested in a free version).
It looks like XP, it feels like XP, if you hadn't been clued in you could be mistaken for thinking it *was* XP.
Don't expect to use this version of Linux with speech (why would you want to?)
its been *heavily* customized for the purpose of making it graphically friendly,
but it shows what can be achieved by Linux vendors who set their minds to it.
It was very nice on a fresh install, to drop a windows cd in the drive, have its autorun pop up, and have some (allbeit simple) windows programs install and run as though they were Linux apps.
and this was an old version, I can only imagine how good it is now.
This will definitely blow your sighted friends away, and in conjunction with crossover office (http://www.codeweavers.com)
will even allow them to still keep running Office (2000/xp) and Internet Explorer.
So, the "Home User" linux is definitely out there today.
Regards
Aaron

Re: mlb.com

[Alex Snow]

I believe that if microshit has the power to remotely shut your system
down then you should have the  ability to do the same to theirs.  but of
course they probably wont use a version of winblows that supports that.
ever hear the rumor that gates uses a mac? it's probably true.

--
A message from the system administrator: "I've upped my priority, now up yours!"
On Sat, 26 Apr 2003, Lorenzo Prince wrote:

> Well, then I guess Microsoft will become a terrible piece of computer
> history sooner than we think.  I would give Windows a couple more years
> after Longhorn, because people will try to use XP as long as they can, but
> eventually, they will be forced either by microsoft to switch to longhorn
> and all its spyware and other invasions of privacy, or by their sence of
> privacy and security to switch to a real OS like Linux or Freebsd, which
> would actually work better for anyone who tried such systems.  It's just
> that until now, no one has really been forced by Microsoft to seek out
> other alternatives, and people are afraid of switching to an OS that they
> don't know about.
>
> "Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk?"
> Microsoft spel chekar vor sail, worgs grate !!
> 	-- Felix von Leitner, leitner@inf.fu-berlin.de
>
> Thomas D. Ward staggered into view and mumbled:
>
> > Actually, I think Windows Long Horn is going to be the os that kills
> > Microsoft. They are packing so much spy ware into it that if the average
> > user saw the invasion of privacy they would be shocked.
> > They also have a nice little feature in Long Horn where Microsoft if they
> > even think you remotely are illegally using their software they can remotely
> > shut your system down..
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Lorenzo Prince <lorenzo@princenet.sytes.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 1:40 PM
> > Subject: Re: mlb.com
> >
> >
> > > Don't worry.  One of these days they will be saying "Get Linux like
> > > everyone else has."   I and others at my school are thinking Microsoft
> > > will eventually get so arrogant that they and their worthless OS will
> > > become a thing of the past.  I am willing to go so far as to say Microsoft
> > > will fall within the next 10 to 20 years.  Let our voices be heard
> > > throughout the open source community and throughout the world.  DOWN WITH
> > > MICROSOFT!  DOWN WITH WINDOWS!  LONG LIVE LINUX!
> > >
> > > Lorenzo
> > >
> > > >Ever heard of .cshrc?
> > > That's a city in Bosnia.  Right?
> > > -- Discussion in comp.os.linux.misc on the intuitiveness of commands
> > >
> > > Thomas D. Ward staggered into view and mumbled:
> > >
> > > > Yeah, and it is the answer I hate most. I hate the "Get windows like
> > > > everyone else has," because they continue to force a propriatary, over
> > > > priced, worthless excuse of an os on the world.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Paul Migliorelli (+1 3 0 3 5 4 3 2 3 1 1)
> > <paulmigs@migliorelli.org>
> > > > To: speakup <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 1:15 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: mlb.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Yep, looks like it's the same inaccessible audio, and I remember in
> > years
> > > > > past the only response from customer disservice over there was the
> > usual
> > > > > get windows like everybody else has.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
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> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
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Re: the future of Linux (was Re: mlb.com)

[Charles Crawford]

	I share your concern that Redhat could fast become the pretender 
to the throne.  Evidence such as the dropping of the speakup in version 9 
points towards business decisions creeping into technology.  Can we blame 
them for it?  In some ways yes and in others no.

	Much more can be said but I'll let someone else say it.


-- 
-- Charlie Crawford

Re: the future of Linux (was Re: mlb.com)

[Thomas D. Ward]

Hello, Adam. All the things you mentioned are already present in Mandrake
9.1. It isn't a future thing it is already here. Mandrake is extremely
popular with home users right now for those same reasons, you mentioned
below, and Tech TV, and many other places give Mandrake high ratings.
It is true Red Hat is extremely popular in the server market especially with
companies such as Del and IBM, but I've seen on IBM's web site some support
for Mandrake and Suse  Linux as well.
My opinion here is Slackware and  other less known Linux will continue to be
followed by there faithful followers, but for mainstreme public, business,
etc Red Hat and mandrake, and Suse will capture those markets.
As long as there is open source it is not possible for Red Hat to become a
Microsoft. They have huge competition with Suse in Europe, and Mandrake is
growing in popularity as well.

----- Original Message -----
From: Adam Myrow <amyrow@midsouth.rr.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 7:39 AM
Subject: the future of Linux (was Re: mlb.com)


> Linux has reached a very critical point in its history IMHO.  People are
> starting to get sick of Microsoft's buggy code and invasive tactics and
> they want an alternative.  The word about Linux has started to spread.
> Yet, Linux is a much more complicated OS than Windows.  Most home users
> don't want to have to type a username and password just to access their
> computer.  They don't want to be told that they don't have permission to
> install a software package and thus, have to remember a second password to
> install it.  Yet, this is how Linux and the Unix systems that inspired it
> work.  We who use Linux see the advantage of this.  It keeps us on our
> toes and forces us to think before we delete that big bunch of files and
> makes us decide just how badly we want that new software before we hastily
> install it.
>
> So, we have two types of users interested in Linux.  We have the old Unix
> veterans and DOS users where a command-line is second-nature.  We have the
> new generation of computer users who don't even know what the command
> prompt in Windows is for and never use the "run" command.  How can we
> please both?  Well, there is the saying that you can't please everybody,
> but I think we could come close.  I'd like to see a home edition of Linux
> which bypassed the login procedure and dropped the user into some kind of
> GUI.  It would still require the root password to do certain things like
> install and remove software, but most things would be done as a normal
> user.  This hypothetical Linux would have very good hardware detection and
> be able to load modules for pretty much any hardware you throw at it.
> Redhat and its derivatives are handling much of the hardware detection
> already, but they aren't quite up to Windows yet.  To make the home user
> want to use them, they need to be as good (and preferably better) than
> Windows at picking up hardware and setting it up.  Redhat has never
> detected my modem, for example.
>
> For people like myself who like to fiddle with our systems and like the
> way Unix works, there should continue to be the traditional Linux.
> Another approach is to make it the same OS, but give the user a choice of
> whether they want it set up for home use or multi-user mode at install
> time, or first boot in the case of a computer shipping with Linux.  The
> various versions of Linux out now are a mixed blessing.  On the good side,
> they give choice as to how they want their system to feel.  I like the "do
> it yourself" attitude of Slackware while others like Redhat's automation.
> On the bad side, many software vendors have picked Redhat as the only
> Linux distribution they support.  I fear that Redhat will become the
> Microsoft of Linux and kill off competition.  I want software to use an
> install/uninstall procedure that isn't distribution-specific.
>
> Well, I guess that's enough rambling.  The bottom line is that the next
> few years are absolutely critical and I think it will be quite obvious
> whether Linux will succeed as a home-user OS or remain a niche OS within
> the next 5 years.  I think that no matter what, Microsoft is starting to
> really get in trouble and users finally realize that the computer randomly
> locking up or their word processor crashing in the middle of writing that
> important document isn't normal and should not be treated as such.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: the future of Linux (was Re: mlb.com)

[Charles Crawford]

Oh great!  A home version of Linux that looks and feels just like XP.  
Just like XP, I bet there is no command line option since DOS is obsolete 
in XP and text mode must be just the same in this version of Linux?


-- 
-- Charlie Crawford

Re: mlb.com

[Thomas D. Ward]

I wouldn't doubt it. Mac OS X 10.2 rocks. It is extremely stable, and if it
was fully accessible it would be my os alternative.
Mac OS X for the record has a BSD kernel at the core, and Mac OS X is built
over a Unix kernel and framework. want to make a guess why it blows Windows
away in stability an speed?

----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Snow <alex_snow@gmx.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 8:13 AM
Subject: Re: mlb.com


> I believe that if microshit has the power to remotely shut your system
> down then you should have the  ability to do the same to theirs.  but of
> course they probably wont use a version of winblows that supports that.
> ever hear the rumor that gates uses a mac? it's probably true.
>
> --
> A message from the system administrator: "I've upped my priority, now up
yours!"
> On Sat, 26 Apr 2003, Lorenzo Prince wrote:
>
> > Well, then I guess Microsoft will become a terrible piece of computer
> > history sooner than we think.  I would give Windows a couple more years
> > after Longhorn, because people will try to use XP as long as they can,
but
> > eventually, they will be forced either by microsoft to switch to
longhorn
> > and all its spyware and other invasions of privacy, or by their sence of
> > privacy and security to switch to a real OS like Linux or Freebsd, which
> > would actually work better for anyone who tried such systems.  It's just
> > that until now, no one has really been forced by Microsoft to seek out
> > other alternatives, and people are afraid of switching to an OS that
they
> > don't know about.
> >
> > "Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk?"
> > Microsoft spel chekar vor sail, worgs grate !!
> > -- Felix von Leitner, leitner@inf.fu-berlin.de
> >
> > Thomas D. Ward staggered into view and mumbled:
> >
> > > Actually, I think Windows Long Horn is going to be the os that kills
> > > Microsoft. They are packing so much spy ware into it that if the
average
> > > user saw the invasion of privacy they would be shocked.
> > > They also have a nice little feature in Long Horn where Microsoft if
they
> > > even think you remotely are illegally using their software they can
remotely
> > > shut your system down..
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Lorenzo Prince <lorenzo@princenet.sytes.net>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 1:40 PM
> > > Subject: Re: mlb.com
> > >
> > >
> > > > Don't worry.  One of these days they will be saying "Get Linux like
> > > > everyone else has."   I and others at my school are thinking
Microsoft
> > > > will eventually get so arrogant that they and their worthless OS
will
> > > > become a thing of the past.  I am willing to go so far as to say
Microsoft
> > > > will fall within the next 10 to 20 years.  Let our voices be heard
> > > > throughout the open source community and throughout the world.  DOWN
WITH
> > > > MICROSOFT!  DOWN WITH WINDOWS!  LONG LIVE LINUX!
> > > >
> > > > Lorenzo
> > > >
> > > > >Ever heard of .cshrc?
> > > > That's a city in Bosnia.  Right?
> > > > -- Discussion in comp.os.linux.misc on the intuitiveness of commands
> > > >
> > > > Thomas D. Ward staggered into view and mumbled:
> > > >
> > > > > Yeah, and it is the answer I hate most. I hate the "Get windows
like
> > > > > everyone else has," because they continue to force a propriatary,
over
> > > > > priced, worthless excuse of an os on the world.
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Paul Migliorelli (+1 3 0 3 5 4 3 2 3 1 1)
> > > <paulmigs@migliorelli.org>
> > > > > To: speakup <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 1:15 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: mlb.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Yep, looks like it's the same inaccessible audio, and I remember
in
> > > years
> > > > > > past the only response from customer disservice over there was
the
> > > usual
> > > > > > get windows like everybody else has.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: the future of Linux (was Re: mlb.com)

[Buddy Brannan]

Umm. Charlie? I seriously doubt this. After all, unlike Windows, Linux
is fairly modular....the gUI is separate from the OS itself. While I
expect that the command line (in this case, bash) isn't right in your
face, well, considering that a *lot* of stuff relies on it (ever
notice just how many bash scripts your system really has?), it's not
going anywhere any time soon. 
-- 
Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV/3   | "And if the ground yawned,
Phone: (814) 455-7333     | I'd step to the side and say,
Email: davros@ycardz.com  | "Hey ground! I'm nobody's lunch!"
http://www.ycardz.com/    | --Eddie From Ohio

Re: the future of Linux (was Re: mlb.com)

[Charles Crawford]

I truly hope you are right.  I just remember what we all said with Windows 
and how they would always need text of some kind.



On Sun, 27 Apr 2003, Buddy Brannan wrote:

> Umm. Charlie? I seriously doubt this. After all, unlike Windows, Linux
> is fairly modular....the gUI is separate from the OS itself. While I
> expect that the command line (in this case, bash) isn't right in your
> face, well, considering that a *lot* of stuff relies on it (ever
> notice just how many bash scripts your system really has?), it's not
> going anywhere any time soon. 
> 

-- 
-- Charlie Crawford

Re: the future of Linux (was Re: mlb.com)

[David Poehlman]

and they don't have text now?
We do have a run box and a dos like environment even in xp pro.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charles Crawford" <ccrawford@acb.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: the future of Linux (was Re: mlb.com)


I truly hope you are right.  I just remember what we all said with Windows 
and how they would always need text of some kind.



On Sun, 27 Apr 2003, Buddy Brannan wrote:

> Umm. Charlie? I seriously doubt this. After all, unlike Windows, Linux
> is fairly modular....the gUI is separate from the OS itself. While I
> expect that the command line (in this case, bash) isn't right in your
> face, well, considering that a *lot* of stuff relies on it (ever
> notice just how many bash scripts your system really has?), it's not
> going anywhere any time soon. 
> 

-- 
-- Charlie Crawford



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Re: mlb.com

[Igor Gueths]

Down with Winblows! Down with Microshit! If someone gets some paladium
boards, send them up here so I can use them as pyro Roflroflrofl!

May you code in the power of the source,
may the kernel, libraries, and utilities be with you,
throughout all distributions until the end of the epoch.

On Sat, 26 Apr 2003, Thomas D. Ward wrote:

> Actually, I think Windows Long Horn is going to be the os that kills
> Microsoft. They are packing so much spy ware into it that if the average
> user saw the invasion of privacy they would be shocked.
> They also have a nice little feature in Long Horn where Microsoft if they
> even think you remotely are illegally using their software they can remotely
> shut your system down..
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Lorenzo Prince <lorenzo@princenet.sytes.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 1:40 PM
> Subject: Re: mlb.com
>
>
> > Don't worry.  One of these days they will be saying "Get Linux like
> > everyone else has."   I and others at my school are thinking Microsoft
> > will eventually get so arrogant that they and their worthless OS will
> > become a thing of the past.  I am willing to go so far as to say Microsoft
> > will fall within the next 10 to 20 years.  Let our voices be heard
> > throughout the open source community and throughout the world.  DOWN WITH
> > MICROSOFT!  DOWN WITH WINDOWS!  LONG LIVE LINUX!
> >
> > Lorenzo
> >
> > >Ever heard of .cshrc?
> > That's a city in Bosnia.  Right?
> > -- Discussion in comp.os.linux.misc on the intuitiveness of commands
> >
> > Thomas D. Ward staggered into view and mumbled:
> >
> > > Yeah, and it is the answer I hate most. I hate the "Get windows like
> > > everyone else has," because they continue to force a propriatary, over
> > > priced, worthless excuse of an os on the world.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Paul Migliorelli (+1 3 0 3 5 4 3 2 3 1 1)
> <paulmigs@migliorelli.org>
> > > To: speakup <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 1:15 AM
> > > Subject: Re: mlb.com
> > >
> > >
> > > > Yep, looks like it's the same inaccessible audio, and I remember in
> years
> > > > past the only response from customer disservice over there was the
> usual
> > > > get windows like everybody else has.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: the future of Linux (was Re: mlb.com)

[Aaron Howell]

There's always a command line option.
You can always boot Linux in single user mode without X starting up at all, and hence no XP interface.
The point I was  trying to make though is that, given this operating system is geared towards a graphical interface,
there are better choices for blind people, not to say you can't make use of it if you really want to.
I'm sure you could still even patch its kernel with speakup if you were that way inclined, the source, is, of course, available.
Regards
Aaron
On Sun, Apr 27, 2003 at 08:43:52AM -0400, Charles Crawford wrote:
> Oh great!  A home version of Linux that looks and feels just like XP.  
> Just like XP, I bet there is no command line option since DOS is obsolete 
> in XP and text mode must be just the same in this version of Linux?
> 
> 
> -- 
> -- Charlie Crawford
> 
> 
> 
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: the future of Linux (was Re: mlb.com)

[Adam Myrow]

Well, it may be possible to use Lycorus at some time in the future if we
ever get a screen reader for X.  It is apparently based on the KDE
desktop, so I am not sure if Gnopurnicus will do any good.  I get the
impression that Gnopurnicus will only work with applications that use the
GTK libraries.

Re: the future of Linux (was Re: mlb.com)

[Lorenzo Prince]

Aaron Howell staggered into view and mumbled:
> Don't expect to use this version of Linux with speech (why would you want to?)
> its been *heavily* customized for the purpose of making it graphically friendly,

Well, if it will run Windows applications, and if we have a lot more $$$
than we know what to do with, we could see how easy it would be to force
jaws or window eyes to work with it.  Also, there is an open source screen
reader in the early planning stages that is supposed to work with windows,
but it may be able to be adapted to work with Lycorus.

Lorenzo

After watching my newly-retired dad spend two weeks learning how to make a new
folder, it became obvious that "intuitive" mostly means "what the writer or
speaker of intuitive likes".
	-- Bruce Ediger, bediger@teal.csn.org, on X the intuitiveness of a Mac interface

Re: the future of Linux (was Re: mlb.com)

[Igor Gueths]

Did anyone read that part of the faq that talked about tcpa for Linux? I
wonder who is working on that project?

May you code in the power of the source,
may the kernel, libraries, and utilities be with you,
throughout all distributions until the end of the epoch.

On Sun, 27 Apr 2003, Adam Myrow wrote:

> Well, it may be possible to use Lycorus at some time in the future if we
> ever get a screen reader for X.  It is apparently based on the KDE
> desktop, so I am not sure if Gnopurnicus will do any good.  I get the
> impression that Gnopurnicus will only work with applications that use the
> GTK libraries.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

off topic, as usual

[monte single]

I am a low vision user, I have had a couple different versions of redhat installed and
running in xwindows. I don't remember if it was kde or gnu. Is there anything "useable" out
there for screen magnification in the x zone?
Thanks,
Monte.

Re: the future of Linux (was Re: mlb.com)

[Thomas D. Ward]

That's correct. Gnopernicus Is linked to the gtk+ libraries. However, the
guys at kde.org are looking at some accessability solutions for kde, but
being written qt it's got some real rnd to go before it is a alternative to
gnome.

----- Original Message -----
From: Adam Myrow <amyrow@midsouth.rr.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: the future of Linux (was Re: mlb.com)


> Well, it may be possible to use Lycorus at some time in the future if we
> ever get a screen reader for X.  It is apparently based on the KDE
> desktop, so I am not sure if Gnopurnicus will do any good.  I get the
> impression that Gnopurnicus will only work with applications that use the
> GTK libraries.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: the future of Linux (was Re: mlb.com)

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.  If you want a Linux system to come up automatically to a GUI,
just start a display manager during the boot up process.  
I don't know about xdm, but you can configure gdm to automatically
log in a user account at boot.  This solves your idea of a Linux 
system starting a GUI without asking for a log in.  It has to
be a user account, not the root user for this to work.  The GUI
user can do things that require beeing root if they know the password.
If the system runs Gnome for its desktop, the Windows user won't
have problems.  They should be encouraged to read the help to 
find out all the new things they can customize.
If they need to swap files with friends who still use Windows,
they just have to save a copy in MS format for there poor friends
still stuck in Windows.

You can press control alt f1 through control alt f 6 for a 
text console log in.
True hardware detection isn't perfect, but it's improving.  I
haven't been in Windows in a while, but I remember having problems 
with Window's hardware detection on occasion.

I think you are confused about single and multi user run levels
in Linux.  Your idea of a system behaving like a windows system will
require the system to be in multi user mode so it can do everything
a home user would want.
Single user mode or run level 1 is only good for certain system
changes.  For example, I put my system in single user mode when
I changed the file system from ext2 to ext3.

I didn't quote your message, so let me know if I missed any points.

          Kenny
	  

Re: the future of Linux (was Re: mlb.com)

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.  I thought maybe if I give you a recent example you might see 
what people are trying to tell you about Linux.

My sighted girl friend uses my laptop as her work station.
She only uses a GUI.  She recently started selling things on
Ebay.  She takes pictures and has them developed and put
on a CD.  When she wants to edit one of her pictures, she uses
a program called imagemagik. It's a general purpose image editor that
understands lots of graphic formats.  She just selects the changes
she wants with her mouse and she shes the results on her screen.
Because imagemagik is general purpose by Unix terms, that means it 
can be called from scripts.  I could use the command line to do
all the things she did, but without ever needing a GUI.
If I wanted, I could write a script that gets the pictures off
the Cd and makes them into the correct size for use on Ebay.
I could add a short cut to her desktop to call the script.  
I would have to edit a cuple of files in her home directory
to add the short cut, but that's not a problem.

          Kenny

On Sun, Apr 27, 2003 at 09:40:48AM -0400, Charles Crawford wrote:
> I truly hope you are right.  I just remember what we all said with Windows 
> and how they would always need text of some kind.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, 27 Apr 2003, Buddy Brannan wrote:
> 
> > Umm. Charlie? I seriously doubt this. After all, unlike Windows, Linux
> > is fairly modular....the gUI is separate from the OS itself. While I
> > expect that the command line (in this case, bash) isn't right in your
> > face, well, considering that a *lot* of stuff relies on it (ever
> > notice just how many bash scripts your system really has?), it's not
> > going anywhere any time soon. 
> > 
> 
> -- 
> -- Charlie Crawford
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: the future of Linux (was Re: mlb.com)

[Thomas D. Ward]

It should also be noted if you want x-windows to come up automatically then
configure x, and set your default runlevel to 5.

Re: the future of Linux (was Re: mlb.com)

[Shaun Oliver]

*SNIP SNIP*
I bet there is no command line option since DOS is obsolete
in XP and text mode must be just the same in this version of Linux?

charlie charlie charlie.
have you even bothered to look at xp? hmmmmmm. the commandline is still
there.
but I'm not gonna sprout on about xp and how great it is cause it's
still bloody macroslop.

-- 
Shaun Oliver

"Before I knew the best part of my life had come, it had gone."

EMAIL: shaun_oliver@optusnet.com.au
ICQ: 76958435
YAHOO: blindman01_2000
MSN: blindman_2001@hotmail.com
AIM: captain nemo 200

Re: the future of Linux (was Re: mlb.com)

[David Poehlman]

or just grab the demo off their web sites for free.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lorenzo Prince" <lorenzo@princenet.sytes.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: the future of Linux (was Re: mlb.com)


Aaron Howell staggered into view and mumbled:
> Don't expect to use this version of Linux with speech (why would you want
to?)
> its been *heavily* customized for the purpose of making it graphically
friendly,

Well, if it will run Windows applications, and if we have a lot more $$$
than we know what to do with, we could see how easy it would be to force
jaws or window eyes to work with it.  Also, there is an open source screen
reader in the early planning stages that is supposed to work with windows,
but it may be able to be adapted to work with Lycorus.

Lorenzo

After watching my newly-retired dad spend two weeks learning how to make a
new
folder, it became obvious that "intuitive" mostly means "what the writer or
speaker of intuitive likes".
-- Bruce Ediger, bediger@teal.csn.org, on X the intuitiveness of a Mac
interface

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Re: off topic, as usual

[Kirk Reiser]

There are a number of magnification packages available for 'x'.  I
believe they are all listed on the blinux-list web site.  I don't
remember  the URL off-hand but it's listed at the bottom of each
message on that mailing list.

  Kirk

-- 

Kirk Reiser				The Computer Braille Facility
e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
phone: (519) 661-3061

Re: the future of Linux (was Re: mlb.com)

[Charles Crawford]

command line?  DOS emulation?  How do you define an oximoron? 

-- charlie.
On Mon, 28 
Apr 2003, Shaun Oliver wrote:

> *SNIP SNIP*
> I bet there is no command line option since DOS is obsolete
> in XP and text mode must be just the same in this version of Linux?
> 
> charlie charlie charlie.
> have you even bothered to look at xp? hmmmmmm. the commandline is still
> there.
> but I'm not gonna sprout on about xp and how great it is cause it's
> still bloody macroslop.
> 
> 

Re: the future of Linux (was Re: mlb.com)

[David Poehlman]

Charlie, you can type cmd into the run box and you have a dos interface.
There is a lot you can do there.  some things you cannot do that we used to
be able to do and some things you can do that we couldn't.  you can also go
to accessories in programs off the start menu and click the command prompt.
you can also start windows in a command environment even through xp if you
like.  I'm not saying it is the one we know and love but it is there.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charles Crawford" <ccrawford@acb.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: the future of Linux (was Re: mlb.com)


command line?  DOS emulation?  How do you define an oximoron?

-- charlie.
On Mon, 28
Apr 2003, Shaun Oliver wrote:

> *SNIP SNIP*
> I bet there is no command line option since DOS is obsolete
> in XP and text mode must be just the same in this version of Linux?
>
> charlie charlie charlie.
> have you even bothered to look at xp? hmmmmmm. the commandline is still
> there.
> but I'm not gonna sprout on about xp and how great it is cause it's
> still bloody macroslop.
>
>


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Re: the future of Linux (was Re: mlb.com)

[Charles Crawford]

Interesting indeed.  So I will give it a try to see.

-- charlie.


On Mon, 28 Apr 2003, David Poehlman wrote:

> Charlie, you can type cmd into the run box and you have a dos interface.
> There is a lot you can do there.  some things you cannot do that we used to
> be able to do and some things you can do that we couldn't.  you can also go
> to accessories in programs off the start menu and click the command prompt.
> you can also start windows in a command environment even through xp if you
> like.  I'm not saying it is the one we know and love but it is there.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Charles Crawford" <ccrawford@acb.org>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 9:50 AM
> Subject: Re: the future of Linux (was Re: mlb.com)
> 
> 
> command line?  DOS emulation?  How do you define an oximoron?
> 
> -- charlie.
> On Mon, 28
> Apr 2003, Shaun Oliver wrote:
> 
> > *SNIP SNIP*
> > I bet there is no command line option since DOS is obsolete
> > in XP and text mode must be just the same in this version of Linux?
> >
> > charlie charlie charlie.
> > have you even bothered to look at xp? hmmmmmm. the commandline is still
> > there.
> > but I'm not gonna sprout on about xp and how great it is cause it's
> > still bloody macroslop.
> >
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
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> 

Re: the future of Linux (was Re: mlb.com)

[David Poehlman]

let me know if you want me to dig up some documentation.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charles Crawford" <ccrawford@acb.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: the future of Linux (was Re: mlb.com)


Interesting indeed.  So I will give it a try to see.

-- charlie.


On Mon, 28 Apr 2003, David Poehlman wrote:

> Charlie, you can type cmd into the run box and you have a dos interface.
> There is a lot you can do there.  some things you cannot do that we used
to
> be able to do and some things you can do that we couldn't.  you can also
go
> to accessories in programs off the start menu and click the command
prompt.
> you can also start windows in a command environment even through xp if you
> like.  I'm not saying it is the one we know and love but it is there.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Charles Crawford" <ccrawford@acb.org>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 9:50 AM
> Subject: Re: the future of Linux (was Re: mlb.com)
>
>
> command line?  DOS emulation?  How do you define an oximoron?
>
> -- charlie.
> On Mon, 28
> Apr 2003, Shaun Oliver wrote:
>
> > *SNIP SNIP*
> > I bet there is no command line option since DOS is obsolete
> > in XP and text mode must be just the same in this version of Linux?
> >
> > charlie charlie charlie.
> > have you even bothered to look at xp? hmmmmmm. the commandline is still
> > there.
> > but I'm not gonna sprout on about xp and how great it is cause it's
> > still bloody macroslop.
> >
> >
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Re: the future of Linux (was Re: mlb.com)

[Charles Crawford]

	Well, could not drop to a DOS prompt and load the network 
drives.  Will have to investigate further.

-- charlie.
On Mon, 28 Apr 2003, David 
Poehlman wrote:

> let me know if you want me to dig up some documentation.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Charles Crawford" <ccrawford@acb.org>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 1:19 PM
> Subject: Re: the future of Linux (was Re: mlb.com)
> 
> 
> Interesting indeed.  So I will give it a try to see.
> 
> -- charlie.
> 
> 
> On Mon, 28 Apr 2003, David Poehlman wrote:
> 
> > Charlie, you can type cmd into the run box and you have a dos interface.
> > There is a lot you can do there.  some things you cannot do that we used
> to
> > be able to do and some things you can do that we couldn't.  you can also
> go
> > to accessories in programs off the start menu and click the command
> prompt.
> > you can also start windows in a command environment even through xp if you
> > like.  I'm not saying it is the one we know and love but it is there.
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Charles Crawford" <ccrawford@acb.org>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 9:50 AM
> > Subject: Re: the future of Linux (was Re: mlb.com)
> >
> >
> > command line?  DOS emulation?  How do you define an oximoron?
> >
> > -- charlie.
> > On Mon, 28
> > Apr 2003, Shaun Oliver wrote:
> >
> > > *SNIP SNIP*
> > > I bet there is no command line option since DOS is obsolete
> > > in XP and text mode must be just the same in this version of Linux?
> > >
> > > charlie charlie charlie.
> > > have you even bothered to look at xp? hmmmmmm. the commandline is still
> > > there.
> > > but I'm not gonna sprout on about xp and how great it is cause it's
> > > still bloody macroslop.
> > >
> > >
> >
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Re: the future of Linux (was Re: mlb.com)

[Scott Howell]

You know some of this is possible if Lindows can really get going. Its got a
lot to offer those who want the handholding of windows, but yet the ability
for tech-types to play. There is real promise, but what it will take is
getting vendors of hardware onboard. Walmart has been selling computers with
Lindows on them for as little as $299. I wonder how those sales are doing I
might have to find some time to call Walmart and ask.



> Linux has reached a very critical point in its history IMHO.  People are
> starting to get sick of Microsoft's buggy code and invasive tactics and
> they want an alternative.  The word about Linux has started to spread.
> Yet, Linux is a much more complicated OS than

Re: the future of Linux (was Re: mlb.com)

[Charles Crawford]

This is all true.  We must also be vigilent to insure that graphics in 
Linux don't become the Windows of tomorrow.  I have already run by 
programs that requre X-windows and that is how it all started with DOS.

-- charlie.
On 
Thu, 1 May 2003, Scott Howell wrote:

> You know some of this is possible if Lindows can really get going. Its got a
> lot to offer those who want the handholding of windows, but yet the ability
> for tech-types to play. There is real promise, but what it will take is
> getting vendors of hardware onboard. Walmart has been selling computers with
> Lindows on them for as little as $299. I wonder how those sales are doing I
> might have to find some time to call Walmart and ask.
> 
> 
> 
> > Linux has reached a very critical point in its history IMHO.  People are
> > starting to get sick of Microsoft's buggy code and invasive tactics and
> > they want an alternative.  The word about Linux has started to spread.
> > Yet, Linux is a much more complicated OS than
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Re: the future of Linux (was Re: mlb.com)

[Thomas D. Ward]

Hi, I will say this. Lindow's is not a bad OS, but the computers Wal-Mart 
are selling  it on are junk. They are vary slow, vary cheaply built, and 
are about as much use as scrap.

Re: the future of Linux (was Re: mlb.com)

[Scott Howell]

Yes perhaps true, but the fact they are even willing to attempt this says a
lot. Ay you know you have to start somewhere and this isn't bad for a big
retail chain. I can't imagine Best Buy, Sears, or other retailer considering
this.



> Hi, I will say this. Lindow's is not a bad OS, but the computers Wal-Mart
> are selling  it on are junk. They are vary slow, vary cheaply built, and

Re: the future of Linux (was Re: mlb.com)

[Thomas D. Ward]

Hi, Scott. I tend to agree with you that everyone must start somewhere, 
and I also see Wal-Mart's buying cheap computers for it so they can keep 
the price down. The problem comes in that many heavy gamers bought these 
computers, and now gripe about feeling like they were ripped off.
One of the computer mags I have had a summary of one they tested, and they 
felt Wal-Mart could have done better if they would been willing to pay out 
a little more and charge a little more for the Lindow's systems.
At any rate it is making people aware that Windows isn't the only OS on 
the planet, and there are solutions coming out all the time that is making 
Windows old hat.

Re: the future of Linux (was Re: mlb.com)

[Charles Crawford]

Well, I don't know much about Lindows, but can you run apps from the 
console in it?  Does speakup work with it?



-- 
-- Charlie Crawford

Re: the future of Linux (was Re: mlb.com)

[Thomas D. Ward]

I'm not an expert on Lindow's but it is geared for someone wanting to run
Windows applications in Linux. It does have a standard Linux kernel, and it
is probably even possible to patch speakup into it, but I've never tried. I
do know
It does have a command line, and there are ports of gcc, but as I mentioned
before it is geared for someone wanting to use the gui. It is one major
reason I haven't really spent much time with the OS. It's not all that
accessible for someone like us.


----- Original Message -----
From: Charles Crawford <ccrawford@acb.org>
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Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: the future of Linux (was Re: mlb.com)


> Well, I don't know much about Lindows, but can you run apps from the
> console in it?  Does speakup work with it?
>
>
>
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Re: the future of Linux (was Re: mlb.com)

[Scott Howell]

Thomas,

I agree and understand your point. I was I think and not clearly pointing
out that in fact the very idea Walmart even was willing to go out and take a
risk is worth noting and in a way incredible. I realize this is a small
investment by most standards, but a risk even this small is a risk. What
will make a difference is if Walmart listens and learns from this and does
something to improve their offerings.


Scott

RE: the future of Linux (was Re: mlb.com)

[Whitley GS11 Cecil H]

>Hi, I will say this. Lindow's is not a bad OS, but the computers Wal-Mart 
>are selling  it on are junk. They are vary slow, vary cheaply built, and 
>are about as much use as scrap.

Well, whacha expect for $199?  
Regards,
Cecil

RE: the future of Linux (was Re: mlb.com)

[Whitley GS11 Cecil H]

Hi,
I know this is off topic, please forgive.
Charlie, at the "dos" prompt in xp type:
net use x: \\machinename\sharename
Where x is the unused drive letter of your choice, machinename is the nb
name of the "server" and sharename is the name of the nb share.  You can
also do the same with samba on a linux/unix box.
If you are truly interested net /? will get you the standard microsloth
help.
Regards,
Cecil
P.s. really, please forgive me I am truly sorry.  But misinformation is
misinformation regardless of the topic.