converting graphics on a text console

converting graphics on a text console

[Chuck Hallenbeck]

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Does anyone have any advice for me? I have a text-only system here, no
X or Gnome. Someone scanned a document for me, and sent it as a pdf
file. I use pdftotext of course, but evidently the pdf file contains
only image data, so pdftottext just gave me garbage. Maybe. At least it
looks like garbage.

So what now? I can use gocr or ocrad to try pulling text out of the
image, except I somehow need to convert the image data in the pdf file
to gif first. Has anyone done anything like this in a text console? I
have successfully used OCR software on .gif files, but how do I get
from pdf to gif? 

Man, it's tough persuading folks that an image of a document that
appears perfectly readable on a graphics screen is not really text of
the sort I can handle in a text console. 

Thanks for any advice.

Chuck

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RE: converting graphics on a text console

[Alastair Irving]

Hi

Try using ghostcript to convert the pdf into a different image format.  


HTH

Alastair Irving

Re: converting graphics on a text console

[Chuck Hallenbeck]

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Okay, I'll look into that.

Thanks,
Chuck

On Mon, Jul 30, 2007 at 08:31:20PM +0100, Alastair Irving wrote:
> Hi
> 
> Try using ghostcript to convert the pdf into a different image format.  
> 
> 
> HTH
> 
> Alastair Irving
> 
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Re: converting graphics on a text console

[Janina Sajka]

Chuck Hallenbeck writes:
> Man, it's tough persuading folks that an image of a document that
> appears perfectly readable on a graphics screen is not really text of
> the sort I can handle in a text console. 


I usually try explaining this as: "There are two kinds of text. One kind
is the kind you can crop and rotate, but you can't spell check it. I
need the kind you can spell check."

People don't necessarily understand what that is, but somehow the spell
check part does gain a glimmer of understanding.

Offered in the hope that it may be useful, but without warranty or even
an implied warranty of fitness ... ...

Good luck, Chuck!

Janina

Re: converting graphics on a text console

[Chuck Hallenbeck]

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On Mon, Jul 30, 2007 at 06:34:38PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> I usually try explaining this as: "There are two kinds of text. One kind
> is the kind you can crop and rotate, but you can't spell check it. I
> need the kind you can spell check."
> 
> People don't necessarily understand what that is, but somehow the spell
> check part does gain a glimmer of understanding.
> 
> Offered in the hope that it may be useful, but without warranty or even
> an implied warranty of fitness ... ...

Good suggestions. Alastair's recommendation to use gs was also a
winner. What it revealed though was the original scanning by my friend
which produced the pdf file, produced one out of conformance with the
Adobe specs for pdf. But I now see a clear path from pdf images to
ascii text. I'm tempted to spring for a flat bed scanner. It's the sane
thing to do.

Chuck




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Re: converting graphics on a text console

[Glenn Ervin]

Your OCR program should handle a PDF just like a GIF.
The Windows OCR programs do that anyway.
Glenn
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Does anyone have any advice for me? I have a text-only system here, no
X or Gnome. Someone scanned a document for me, and sent it as a pdf
file. I use pdftotext of course, but evidently the pdf file contains
only image data, so pdftottext just gave me garbage. Maybe. At least it
looks like garbage.

So what now? I can use gocr or ocrad to try pulling text out of the
image, except I somehow need to convert the image data in the pdf file
to gif first. Has anyone done anything like this in a text console? I
have successfully used OCR software on .gif files, but how do I get
from pdf to gif? 

Man, it's tough persuading folks that an image of a document that
appears perfectly readable on a graphics screen is not really text of
the sort I can handle in a text console. 

Thanks for any advice.

Chuck

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Re: converting graphics on a text console

[Willem van der Walt]

Hi,
A few points.
1.  for OCR under linux, use tesseract and ocropus.
The results is a lot better than with gocr or ocrad.
2.  for converting images, use the convert command provided by the 
ImageMagic package.
Ocropus/tesseract is a little slow, but worth the effort to get going.
With convert, you can do a lot of other nice things on images like change 
them from collor to blak and white or change the contrast and so on.
HTH, Willem


On Mon, 30 Jul 2007, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote:

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> Does anyone have any advice for me? I have a text-only system here, no
> X or Gnome. Someone scanned a document for me, and sent it as a pdf
> file. I use pdftotext of course, but evidently the pdf file contains
> only image data, so pdftottext just gave me garbage. Maybe. At least it
> looks like garbage.
> 
> So what now? I can use gocr or ocrad to try pulling text out of the
> image, except I somehow need to convert the image data in the pdf file
> to gif first. Has anyone done anything like this in a text console? I
> have successfully used OCR software on .gif files, but how do I get
> from pdf to gif? 
> 
> Man, it's tough persuading folks that an image of a document that
> appears perfectly readable on a graphics screen is not really text of
> the sort I can handle in a text console. 
> 
> Thanks for any advice.
> 
> Chuck
> 
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Re: converting graphics on a text console

[Janina Sajka]

If you're still working on this, you might be able to get your local
Kinko's to scan the image for you into something you can ocr. Or,
perhaps you have a friend with a scanner?

Just a thought about how to get from a to b quickly.


Janina

Chuck Hallenbeck writes:
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> On Mon, Jul 30, 2007 at 06:34:38PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > I usually try explaining this as: "There are two kinds of text. One kind
> > is the kind you can crop and rotate, but you can't spell check it. I
> > need the kind you can spell check."
> > 
> > People don't necessarily understand what that is, but somehow the spell
> > check part does gain a glimmer of understanding.
> > 
> > Offered in the hope that it may be useful, but without warranty or even
> > an implied warranty of fitness ... ...
> 
> Good suggestions. Alastair's recommendation to use gs was also a
> winner. What it revealed though was the original scanning by my friend
> which produced the pdf file, produced one out of conformance with the
> Adobe specs for pdf. But I now see a clear path from pdf images to
> ascii text. I'm tempted to spring for a flat bed scanner. It's the sane
> thing to do.
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: converting graphics on a text console

[Chuck Hallenbeck]

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Interesting idea,, I never thought of a Kinko's. I'm going to take my
time and play with the pieces at this point, and if I can put them all
together, I may get back into the document scanning functionality
myself here. I used an Arkenstone system for some years, but retired it
when the scanner interface became obsolete. I went from one new system
to another for a while, ended with a Linux only box where the old
interface was not supported, and so that was that for scanning. But it
really was a handy thing to have around, imperfections and all.

The document I have at the moment is not really critical, just a matter
of curiosity, and also I want to take it as far as I can because a
friend with a scanner already went to the trouble of scanning the thing
and mailing it to me. I'm learning a lot, and as usual it's the
journey itself, not just the destination, where the value lies.

Chuck



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no braille support in orca and fc7?

[marco.fisch]

Hi list,

so i had a possibility to install fc7 from the speakupmodified fedora. Now
i've got the problem that i havn't got braillesupport. Who can i fix that
problem. fc7 isn't bad it's stabilized against debian or ubuntu linux
distro.

Thanks for your help.

regards Marco


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Re: no braille support in orca and fc7?

[Janina Sajka]

marco.fisch@n-ergie.de writes:
> i've got the problem that i havn't got braillesupport.

The Speakup Modified F-7 installation media provides:

brltty-3.7.2
orca-2.18.0

What do you think is missing?

Janina

Re: converting graphics on a text console

[Janina Sajka]

Understood, Chuck. I guess I had the impression that you were in a hurry
for that particular document. Will look forward to your travel log!
<grin>

Janina


Chuck Hallenbeck writes:
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> Interesting idea,, I never thought of a Kinko's. I'm going to take my
> time and play with the pieces at this point, and if I can put them all
> together, I may get back into the document scanning functionality
> myself here. I used an Arkenstone system for some years, but retired it
> when the scanner interface became obsolete. I went from one new system
> to another for a while, ended with a Linux only box where the old
> interface was not supported, and so that was that for scanning. But it
> really was a handy thing to have around, imperfections and all.

Antwort: Re: no braille support in orca and fc7?

[marco.fisch]

Hi Janina,

i startet as user Marco after i configured brltty as user root.

then i typed orca -t
I was choosing the syntesizer etc. enabled braille support. loged in gnome
and startet orca. It said welcome to orca, but the braille display doesn't
work.

What's here my problem. Is there a package which is required? I read about
python-Pyrex but i couldn't find that on a respository.

regards Marco


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Re: Antwort: Re: no braille support in orca and fc7?

[Janina Sajka]

Hello, Marco:

OK. I do not use braille myself, but I believe the following is correct.
I've cc'd Dave Mielke on this email because I don't believe he monitors
this list, and he is the authority on brltty.

1.)	For braille support in Orca I am certain you want the very
latest brltty and also brlapi. While both of these are available from
Fedora repositories, the ones Fedora provides are not the latest and may
not be new enough to support Orca. There was considerable work a few
months ago to clear up issues of braille support on Orca, so I'm quite
certain yhou really do want the most recent versions.

You can find the binary rpm of brltty-3.8.1 and brlapi-0.5.0 on the brltty home page:

http://dave.mielke.cc/brltty/#related

You may need the brlapi-python rpm as well--I just don't know for sure.

To my recollection Pyrex is only required to build brlapi, but if my
memory is incorrect, please note that Pyrex is available on Fedora
repositories:

Name   : Pyrex
Arch   : noarch
Version: 0.9.4
Release: 4.fc7
Size   : 394 k
Repo   : fedora
Summary: A compiler/language for writing Python extension modules.
Description:
Pyrex is Python with C types.  It is specially designed to allow you to
write extension modules for Python that have the speed of C and the
simplicity and readability of Python.  You write your code in a
Python-like
language with C-typed variables, then use the pyrexc compiler to
transform
it into a C representation.  This is useful for speeding up critical
sections
of your Python code or wrapping an external library.
 
Good luck!

Janina

marco.fisch@n-ergie.de writes:
> Hi Janina,
> 
> i startet as user Marco after i configured brltty as user root.
> 
> then i typed orca -t
> I was choosing the syntesizer etc. enabled braille support. loged in gnome
> and startet orca. It said welcome to orca, but the braille display doesn't
> work.
> 
> What's here my problem. Is there a package which is required? I read about
> python-Pyrex but i couldn't find that on a respository.

Re: Antwort: Re: no braille support in orca and fc7?

[Samuel Thibault]

Janina Sajka, le Thu 02 Aug 2007 10:56:24 -0400, a écrit :
> You may need the brlapi-python rpm as well--I just don't know for sure.

Yes you will need it for orca to work fine.

> To my recollection Pyrex is only required to build brlapi,

Yes, and it's then not needed for just running it.

Samuel

RE: no braille support in orca and fc7?

[Georgina Joyce]

Hi

It might not be the case in the original lister's case but I haven't got my brailliant working in FC7 but to be fare I haven't given it that much time.  What I found, my USB modules were not being loaded at boot.  Also there were some issues with new kernels and USB Braille support and the advice on the brltty list was to checkout SVN.

The lister might need to check that the USB system is functioning, if connected by USB. 

Gena

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Subject: Re: no braille support in orca and fc7?


marco.fisch@n-ergie.de writes:
> i've got the problem that i havn't got braillesupport.

The Speakup Modified F-7 installation media provides:

brltty-3.7.2
orca-2.18.0

What do you think is missing?

Janina


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Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: no braille support in orca and fc7?

[marco.fisch]

Hi Janina and samuel,

i have installed both packages, but my braille display papenmeier is still
not working.

Mh, it's strange.

Speech and orca is running stable.

regards Marco


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... es läuft planlos in der Gegend rum, um dann gezielt abzustürzen.

Re: Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: no braille support in orca and fc7?

[Janina Sajka]

Do you see your usb braille device if you do the command:

lsusb


marco.fisch@n-ergie.de writes:
> Hi Janina and samuel,
> 
> i have installed both packages, but my braille display papenmeier is still
> not working.
> 
> Mh, it's strange.
> 
> Speech and orca is running stable.
> 
> regards Marco
> 
> 
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> 
> 
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Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: no braille support in orca and fc7?

[marco.fisch]

Hi Janina,

the braille works in brltty on serial! ttyS0. In command line mode the
braille works without trouble. I start orca on the desktop Orca starts but
gives no response to the braille display orca only speaks also i checked
braille support.

regards Marco

---------------------
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... es läuft planlos in der Gegend rum, um dann gezielt abzustürzen.

Re: Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: no braille support in orca and fc7?

[Janina Sajka]

So, it seems this is some kind of issue with orca, or perhaps with
brlapi (which provides braille support for orca). I would suggest
posting this issue on the orca list. You can access info about the list
at the orca home page:

http://live.gnome.org/Orca

I am also on that list.

Janina

marco.fisch@n-ergie.de writes:
> Hi Janina,
> 
> the braille works in brltty on serial! ttyS0. In command line mode the
> braille works without trouble. I start orca on the desktop Orca starts but
> gives no response to the braille display orca only speaks also i checked
> braille support.

Re: Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: no braille support inorca and fc7?

[Michael Whapples]

I think you have tried about most of the things I would have suggested. 
There is one thing I can think of though, you could test brlapi for 
functionality (check that the security features aren't getting in the way, I 
am assuming you have read that information about allowing brlapi to work). 
You could test brlapi by creating the examples in the brlapi manual at the 
brltty website. If that suceeds but Orca still doesn't produce braille then 
we know that the problem lies with orca.

From
Michael Whapples
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To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: no braille support 
inorca and fc7?


> So, it seems this is some kind of issue with orca, or perhaps with
> brlapi (which provides braille support for orca). I would suggest
> posting this issue on the orca list. You can access info about the list
> at the orca home page:
>
> http://live.gnome.org/Orca
>
> I am also on that list.
>
> Janina
>
> marco.fisch@n-ergie.de writes:
>> Hi Janina,
>>
>> the braille works in brltty on serial! ttyS0. In command line mode the
>> braille works without trouble. I start orca on the desktop Orca starts 
>> but
>> gives no response to the braille display orca only speaks also i checked
>> braille support.
>
>
>
> 

How different is Speakup from JAWS

[Charlie Young]

Hi...
  I was wondering if Speakup has keystrokes the way JAWS does to bring up dialog boxes that lists links and headings. How different is Speakup from JAWS. I am a Windows user seriously considering thinking about changing to linux. Thanks.
  Charlie

       
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Re: How different is Speakup from JAWS

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.

The only thing that speakup and jaws have in common is they are both screen readers.
Forget everything you know about Windows when you switch to console access to Linux with speakup.
The closest screan reader to speakup would be ASAP.  That's still not a good comparison
since DOS was completely brain dead compared to a bash shell on a Linux box.

          Kenny

Re: How different is Speakup from JAWS

[Glenn Ervin]

There used to be a Jaws configuration for Speakup, and I don't know what 
happened to it.
That is the one thing that will probably keep me from ever becoming serious 
about Linux.
Glenn

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Subject: How different is Speakup from JAWS


Hi...
  I was wondering if Speakup has keystrokes the way JAWS does to bring up 
dialog boxes that lists links and headings. How different is Speakup from 
JAWS. I am a Windows user seriously considering thinking about changing to 
linux. Thanks.
  Charlie


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Re: How different is Speakup from JAWS

[Cody Hurst]

Hello,

Speakup only works in the console it will not work under a desktop 
environment. Further more, a hardware synth is required to use speakup, 
although some people have gotten software synthisizers to work but that 
takes some playing with. If you want to use a gui because you might not be 
too sharp on commands in linux, consider Orca for the gnome desktop it is 
included in the ubuntu live CD and you can read more about orca at 
http://live.gnome.org/Orca. To download a live ubuntu cd visit 
www.cdimage.ubuntu.com. A live cd is a fully functional linux operating 
system however it runs all from the CD and never touches your hard drive, so 
you can try linux before you install it. Another distro called Grml is a 
speakup modified distro that has no graphical desktop and is only command 
line based is also available if you have a hardware synth and want to give 
it a try.

  Basically Orca is a scriptable screen reader for the gnome 2.16 desktop. 
But first before diving into any of this, I recommend learning a tad about 
whaqt linux is, as you sound very new and it might prove useful to read up 
on what Linux is and how it works in general terms. Don't let it scare you 
off, it's just that in my opinion you might be better off knowing what 
you're doing in the long run.

Have fun,
  Cody
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlie Young" <cy41169@yahoo.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 11:54 PM
Subject: How different is Speakup from JAWS


> Hi...
>  I was wondering if Speakup has keystrokes the way JAWS does to bring up 
> dialog boxes that lists links and headings. How different is Speakup from 
> JAWS. I am a Windows user seriously considering thinking about changing to 
> linux. Thanks.
>  Charlie
>
>
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Re: How different is Speakup from JAWS

[John Heim]

If you use debian linux, software speech should be very easy to install. See 
my page at
http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/debian/

I only put that up a couple of weeks ago and I don't know if anyone has used 
it yet. But I haven't gotten any complaints yet.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cody Hurst" <churst35@verizon.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 5:14 AM
Subject: Re: How different is Speakup from JAWS


> Hello,
>
> Speakup only works in the console it will not work under a desktop
> environment. Further more, a hardware synth is required to use speakup,
> although some people have gotten software synthisizers to work but that
> takes some playing with. If you want to use a gui because you might not be
> too sharp on commands in linux, consider Orca for the gnome desktop it is
> included in the ubuntu live CD and you can read more about orca at
> http://live.gnome.org/Orca. To download a live ubuntu cd visit
> www.cdimage.ubuntu.com. A live cd is a fully functional linux operating
> system however it runs all from the CD and never touches your hard drive, 
> so
> you can try linux before you install it. Another distro called Grml is a
> speakup modified distro that has no graphical desktop and is only command
> line based is also available if you have a hardware synth and want to give
> it a try.
>
>  Basically Orca is a scriptable screen reader for the gnome 2.16 desktop.
> But first before diving into any of this, I recommend learning a tad about
> whaqt linux is, as you sound very new and it might prove useful to read up
> on what Linux is and how it works in general terms. Don't let it scare you
> off, it's just that in my opinion you might be better off knowing what
> you're doing in the long run.
>
> Have fun,
>  Cody
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Charlie Young" <cy41169@yahoo.com>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 11:54 PM
> Subject: How different is Speakup from JAWS
>
>
>> Hi...
>>  I was wondering if Speakup has keystrokes the way JAWS does to bring up
>> dialog boxes that lists links and headings. How different is Speakup from
>> JAWS. I am a Windows user seriously considering thinking about changing 
>> to
>> linux. Thanks.
>>  Charlie
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------
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>> panel and lay it on us.
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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> 

how diffecult is it to configure Linux to surf the web

[Charlie Young]

Hi...
  I was thinking about installing ubuntu on my computer but I've never used Linux before. I was wondering how diffecult is it to configure Linux to surf the web. Is there a wizard that will guide me through the process. I also wanted to know if Linux will work with dial up connection. Thanks.
  Charlie

       
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Re: how diffecult is it to configure Linux to surf the web

[Willem van der Walt]

Linux will work with dialup and depending on a number of factors related 
to distributions etc. the difficulty varies.
You will have to try it to know.
There are some wissards, but they are in the graphical desktop mostly.

On Thu, 16 Aug 2007, Charlie Young wrote:

> Hi...
>   I was thinking about installing ubuntu on my computer but I've never used Linux before. I was wondering how diffecult is it to configure Linux to surf the web. Is there a wizard that will guide me through the process. I also wanted to know if Linux will work with dial up connection. Thanks.
>   Charlie
> 
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Re: how diffecult is it to configure Linux to surf the web

[Samuel Thibault]

Willem van der Walt, le Thu 16 Aug 2007 16:19:32 +0200, a écrit :
> Linux will work with dialup and depending on a number of factors related 
> to distributions etc. the difficulty varies.
> You will have to try it to know.
> There are some wissards, but they are in the graphical desktop mostly.

Note: if on windows the network automatically gets configured, then it
will most probably get automatically configured on Linux too.

Samuel

Is there a cd burner I could download for windows that would make burning a copy of linux simple

[Charlie Young]

Hi...
  I was wondering if there is a cd burner I could download for windows that would make burning a copy of linux simple. Thanks.
  Charlie

Samuel Thibault <samuel.thibault@ens-lyon.org> wrote:
  Willem van der Walt, le Thu 16 Aug 2007 16:19:32 +0200, a écrit :
> Linux will work with dialup and depending on a number of factors related 
> to distributions etc. the difficulty varies.
> You will have to try it to know.
> There are some wissards, but they are in the graphical desktop mostly.

Note: if on windows the network automatically gets configured, then it
will most probably get automatically configured on Linux too.

Samuel

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RE: Is there a cd burner I could download for windows that would make burning a copy of linux simple

[Jim Grimsby Jr.]

http://static.slysoft.com/SetupCloneCD.exe

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-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of Charlie Young
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 9:49 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Is there a cd burner I could download for windows that would make
burning a copy of linux simple

Hi...
  I was wondering if there is a cd burner I could download for windows that
would make burning a copy of linux simple. Thanks.
  Charlie

Samuel Thibault <samuel.thibault@ens-lyon.org> wrote:
  Willem van der Walt, le Thu 16 Aug 2007 16:19:32 +0200, a écrit :
> Linux will work with dialup and depending on a number of factors related 
> to distributions etc. the difficulty varies.
> You will have to try it to know.
> There are some wissards, but they are in the graphical desktop mostly.

Note: if on windows the network automatically gets configured, then it
will most probably get automatically configured on Linux too.

Samuel

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Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup


       
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Re: Is there a cd burner I could download for windows that would makeburning a copy of linux simple

[John Heim]

  I use ISO Recorder 2.0.

http://isorecorder.alexfeinman.com/v2.htm


It's nice because if you doubleclick on an ISO file it launches the recorder 
program. If you right mouse click on an ISO file,  the menu will have an 
item for starting ISO Recorder.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlie Young" <cy41169@yahoo.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 11:49 AM
Subject: Is there a cd burner I could download for windows that would 
makeburning a copy of linux simple


Hi...
  I was wondering if there is a cd burner I could download for windows that 
would make burning a copy of linux simple. Thanks.
  Charlie

Samuel Thibault <samuel.thibault@ens-lyon.org> wrote:
  Willem van der Walt, le Thu 16 Aug 2007 16:19:32 +0200, a écrit :
> Linux will work with dialup and depending on a number of factors related
> to distributions etc. the difficulty varies.
> You will have to try it to know.
> There are some wissards, but they are in the graphical desktop mostly.

Note: if on windows the network automatically gets configured, then it
will most probably get automatically configured on Linux too.

Samuel

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Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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I just tried to install Ubuntu from a disk and I am not having any luch

[Charlie Young]

Hi...
  I just tried to install Ubuntu from a disk and I am not having any luck. After I press enter it says "can't access tty; job control turned off". Does anyone have any advice for instilling Ubuntu. Thanks.
  Charlie

       
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