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@  Dawes, Stephen
   ` Jason
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Dawes, Stephen @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

I could be wrong on this one, but it is my understanding that mtab is
generated from fstab as part of the shutdown process.  If you read the
two files carefully, you will see that they are basically the same.


Steve Dawes
PH:  (403) 268-5527. 
Mailto:  sdawes@gov.calgary.ab.ca 



-----Original Message-----
From: Victor Tsaran [mailto:tsar@sylaba.poznan.pl]
Sent: 2001 December 06 10:11 AM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: transferring linux system to another hard drive


That is totally correct. I meant the mount points stored in /etc/mtab.
Of
course, the ones in fstab are easy to correct.
Vic

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dawes, Stephen" <Stephen.Dawes@gov.calgary.ab.ca>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:04 PM
Subject: RE: transferring linux system to another hard drive


> WHAT DOES DD DO?
>
> Well let me see!
>
> When you do a "dd" it copies information from the source to the
> destination bit by bit.  In other words, it makes a snap shot of the
> source on the destination.  So, if you stop and think about it for a
> minute, you will know that in the example of the question in the note
> that this is replying to, that as long as the mount points are correct
> in the source, the destination will be a replication of them.  Mount
> points are stored in the "/etc/fstab" file, so if they do get messed
up,
> you can always manually fix them.
>
> The key here is, make sure that the source is the way you want it,
> before you go off and do anything.  Any errors in the source will be
> transferred to the destination if you don't.
>
> In the advice of my Father, who has since long passed away, "Don't be
> afraid to get your hands a little dirty.  If you never make a mistake,
> how can you learn from them!"
>
> Steve Dawes
> PH:  (403) 268-5527.
> Mailto:  sdawes@gov.calgary.ab.ca
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Victor Tsaran [mailto:tsar@sylaba.poznan.pl]
> Sent: 2001 December 06 4:19 AM
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: Re: transferring linux system to another hard drive
>
>
> And what about mount points?
> VIc
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Dawes" <sdawes@telusplanet.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 2:09 AM
> Subject: RE: transferring linux system to another hard drive
>
>
> > The free way to do this is as follows!
> >
> > 1.  have both hard drives connected to the same computer
> > 2. boot the system with a rescue disk, that contains the speaking
> kernels
> > and tools necessary to do the rest of this job.
> > 3.  once booted, type the following at the command prompt, leaving
off
> the
> > quotes of course.
> > "dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb"
> > 4.  Mount the new drive
> > 5. chroot
> > 6. lilo
> > 7.  Remove the floppy.
> > 8.  shutdown
> > 9.  disconnect the original drive.
> > 10.  Boot the system, and voila.
> >
> > This does work, as I know of people who have done exactly the steps
> listed
> > above.
> >
> > Good Luck!!!
> >
> > AND IT IS FREE!!!
> >
> >
> >
> > Steve Dawes VE6AYT
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Thomas Ward
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 6:29 AM
> > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > Subject: Re: transferring linux system to another hard drive
> > >
> > >
> > > There is a great program out there called Image cast 4.5 that will
> do
> just
> > > this sort of thing. It isn't free, but I love it.
> > > Image cast does have a dos client which  you can make a batch
> > > file for which
> > > will do the following:
> > > A. Image all your files, and if you want image [partitions as
well.
> B.
> > > converts it to a file which you send to another computer on your
> > > network or
> > > another hard drive in your computer. C. I use a batch file which
> then
> > > extracts the image onto the new hard drive, and it is easy as
that.
> > > If you are interested email me off list and I'll see if I can
> > > help you get
> > > up and running with IC 4.5, and get your drives imaged.
> > > You can email me at:
> > > tward@bright.net
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Cheryl Homiak <chomiak@chartermi.net>
> > > To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>; speakup <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>;
> > > <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 9:29 AM
> > > Subject: transfering linux system to another hard drive
> > >
> > >
> > > > I apologize for the cross-post, but I'm trying to get info as
soon
> as
> > > > possible; even if somebody has just seen this on one of these
> lists
> and
> > > > can steer me toward the correct archive it would be appreciated.
> > > > My hard drive with linux is failing; I have just obtained a
20gig
> drive
> > > > which will have both my dos and linux on it. All drives--my
dying
> linux
> > > > drive, my old and tiny dos drive, and my new drive--are all
> connected
> to
> > > > the computer. I will have to partition the hard drive, but it is
> being
> > > > recognized correctly in the bios and linux. Eventually, the
dying
> drive
> > > > (hda) will be removed as will the dos drive (hdd) and the new
> > > drive (hdb)
> > > > will become hda.  I want to know if there is a way to transfer
my
> linux
> > > > from the dying 2.5gig drive to the new 20gig; I am assuming I
will
> first
> > > > need to partition the hard drive and the partitioning will
> probably be
> > > > somewhat different from the old drive due to the difference in
> size.
> > > > Sorry for the info repeat to those on blinux.
> > > > I know I saw a discussion of just this problem somewhere
recently
> but
> > > > haven't been able to locate it.
> > > > Also, can I make my partition that will hold dos with linux
since
> I
> have
> > > > no data already onthe hard drive to protect?
> > > > thanks.
> > > > Cheryl
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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* RE: transferring linux system to another hard drive
@  Dawes, Stephen
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Dawes, Stephen @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

Well, it doesn't matter what is formally done to the hard destination,
because dd over writes it.

Ok, I opened Pandora's box on this one, but a little RTFM on dd may
answer these questions that you are asking as well.  Don't be afraid to
type 
man dd
at the bash prompt, and then listen to what speakup tells you.


Steve Dawes
PH:  (403) 268-5527. 
Mailto:  sdawes@gov.calgary.ab.ca 



-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Holmes [mailto:steve@holmesgrown.com]
Sent: 2001 December 06 10:22 AM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: RE: transferring linux system to another hard drive


The only question I have about this procedure is what if the destination
drive is much larger than the original? Wouldn't this cause the new
drive
to have a smaller partition?

How do you preserve the full size of the partition on the new drive with
the specs used to create it?

On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, Steve Dawes wrote:

> The free way to do this is as follows!
>
> 1.  have both hard drives connected to the same computer
> 2. boot the system with a rescue disk, that contains the speaking
kernels
> and tools necessary to do the rest of this job.
> 3.  once booted, type the following at the command prompt, leaving off
the
> quotes of course.
> "dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb"
> 4.  Mount the new drive
> 5. chroot
> 6. lilo
> 7.  Remove the floppy.
> 8.  shutdown
> 9.  disconnect the original drive.
> 10.  Boot the system, and voila.
>
> This does work, as I know of people who have done exactly the steps
listed
> above.
>
> Good Luck!!!
>
> AND IT IS FREE!!!
>
>
>
> Steve Dawes VE6AYT
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Thomas Ward
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 6:29 AM
> > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > Subject: Re: transferring linux system to another hard drive
> >
> >
> > There is a great program out there called Image cast 4.5 that will
do just
> > this sort of thing. It isn't free, but I love it.
> > Image cast does have a dos client which  you can make a batch
> > file for which
> > will do the following:
> > A. Image all your files, and if you want image [partitions as well.
B.
> > converts it to a file which you send to another computer on your
> > network or
> > another hard drive in your computer. C. I use a batch file which
then
> > extracts the image onto the new hard drive, and it is easy as that.
> > If you are interested email me off list and I'll see if I can
> > help you get
> > up and running with IC 4.5, and get your drives imaged.
> > You can email me at:
> > tward@bright.net
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Cheryl Homiak <chomiak@chartermi.net>
> > To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>; speakup <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>;
> > <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 9:29 AM
> > Subject: transfering linux system to another hard drive
> >
> >
> > > I apologize for the cross-post, but I'm trying to get info as soon
as
> > > possible; even if somebody has just seen this on one of these
lists and
> > > can steer me toward the correct archive it would be appreciated.
> > > My hard drive with linux is failing; I have just obtained a 20gig
drive
> > > which will have both my dos and linux on it. All drives--my dying
linux
> > > drive, my old and tiny dos drive, and my new drive--are all
connected to
> > > the computer. I will have to partition the hard drive, but it is
being
> > > recognized correctly in the bios and linux. Eventually, the dying
drive
> > > (hda) will be removed as will the dos drive (hdd) and the new
> > drive (hdb)
> > > will become hda.  I want to know if there is a way to transfer my
linux
> > > from the dying 2.5gig drive to the new 20gig; I am assuming I will
first
> > > need to partition the hard drive and the partitioning will
probably be
> > > somewhat different from the old drive due to the difference in
size.
> > > Sorry for the info repeat to those on blinux.
> > > I know I saw a discussion of just this problem somewhere recently
but
> > > haven't been able to locate it.
> > > Also, can I make my partition that will hold dos with linux since
I have
> > > no data already onthe hard drive to protect?
> > > thanks.
> > > Cheryl
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>


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* RE: transferring linux system to another hard drive
@  Dawes, Stephen
   ` Victor Tsaran
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Dawes, Stephen @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

WHAT DOES DD DO?

Well let me see!

When you do a "dd" it copies information from the source to the
destination bit by bit.  In other words, it makes a snap shot of the
source on the destination.  So, if you stop and think about it for a
minute, you will know that in the example of the question in the note
that this is replying to, that as long as the mount points are correct
in the source, the destination will be a replication of them.  Mount
points are stored in the "/etc/fstab" file, so if they do get messed up,
you can always manually fix them.

The key here is, make sure that the source is the way you want it,
before you go off and do anything.  Any errors in the source will be
transferred to the destination if you don't.

In the advice of my Father, who has since long passed away, "Don't be
afraid to get your hands a little dirty.  If you never make a mistake,
how can you learn from them!"

Steve Dawes
PH:  (403) 268-5527. 
Mailto:  sdawes@gov.calgary.ab.ca 



-----Original Message-----
From: Victor Tsaran [mailto:tsar@sylaba.poznan.pl]
Sent: 2001 December 06 4:19 AM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: transferring linux system to another hard drive


And what about mount points?
VIc

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Dawes" <sdawes@telusplanet.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 2:09 AM
Subject: RE: transferring linux system to another hard drive


> The free way to do this is as follows!
>
> 1.  have both hard drives connected to the same computer
> 2. boot the system with a rescue disk, that contains the speaking
kernels
> and tools necessary to do the rest of this job.
> 3.  once booted, type the following at the command prompt, leaving off
the
> quotes of course.
> "dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb"
> 4.  Mount the new drive
> 5. chroot
> 6. lilo
> 7.  Remove the floppy.
> 8.  shutdown
> 9.  disconnect the original drive.
> 10.  Boot the system, and voila.
>
> This does work, as I know of people who have done exactly the steps
listed
> above.
>
> Good Luck!!!
>
> AND IT IS FREE!!!
>
>
>
> Steve Dawes VE6AYT
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Thomas Ward
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 6:29 AM
> > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > Subject: Re: transferring linux system to another hard drive
> >
> >
> > There is a great program out there called Image cast 4.5 that will
do
just
> > this sort of thing. It isn't free, but I love it.
> > Image cast does have a dos client which  you can make a batch
> > file for which
> > will do the following:
> > A. Image all your files, and if you want image [partitions as well.
B.
> > converts it to a file which you send to another computer on your
> > network or
> > another hard drive in your computer. C. I use a batch file which
then
> > extracts the image onto the new hard drive, and it is easy as that.
> > If you are interested email me off list and I'll see if I can
> > help you get
> > up and running with IC 4.5, and get your drives imaged.
> > You can email me at:
> > tward@bright.net
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Cheryl Homiak <chomiak@chartermi.net>
> > To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>; speakup <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>;
> > <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 9:29 AM
> > Subject: transfering linux system to another hard drive
> >
> >
> > > I apologize for the cross-post, but I'm trying to get info as soon
as
> > > possible; even if somebody has just seen this on one of these
lists
and
> > > can steer me toward the correct archive it would be appreciated.
> > > My hard drive with linux is failing; I have just obtained a 20gig
drive
> > > which will have both my dos and linux on it. All drives--my dying
linux
> > > drive, my old and tiny dos drive, and my new drive--are all
connected
to
> > > the computer. I will have to partition the hard drive, but it is
being
> > > recognized correctly in the bios and linux. Eventually, the dying
drive
> > > (hda) will be removed as will the dos drive (hdd) and the new
> > drive (hdb)
> > > will become hda.  I want to know if there is a way to transfer my
linux
> > > from the dying 2.5gig drive to the new 20gig; I am assuming I will
first
> > > need to partition the hard drive and the partitioning will
probably be
> > > somewhat different from the old drive due to the difference in
size.
> > > Sorry for the info repeat to those on blinux.
> > > I know I saw a discussion of just this problem somewhere recently
but
> > > haven't been able to locate it.
> > > Also, can I make my partition that will hold dos with linux since
I
have
> > > no data already onthe hard drive to protect?
> > > thanks.
> > > Cheryl
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
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>


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* RE: transferring linux system to another hard drive
@  Dawes, Stephen
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Dawes, Stephen @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

My friend that has done this successfully has done it between 2 drives
of the same size, as well as the new drive bigger then the original
drive.


Steve Dawes
PH:  (403) 268-5527. 
Mailto:  sdawes@gov.calgary.ab.ca 




-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Myrow [mailto:myrow@eskimo.com]
Sent: 2001 December 05 7:16 PM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: RE: transferring linux system to another hard drive


I tried that once, and dd bombed saying that the maximum file size of
2GB 
had been reached.  Of course, I was copying to a file first, because I 
didn't trust writing directly to another partition like that.  Does that

get around the 2GB limit?  Also, doesn't writing the image of a disk on 
another make the second drive think it's the same size as the first?

I've copied manually, an entire Linux filesystem several times as I 
experimented, and it can be done with a bit of effort.  Also, parted
runs 
under Linux and can copy DOS or Windows partitions across from one drive
to 
another and set the size on the new drive correctly.



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* Re: transfering linux system to another hard drive
@  Thomas Ward
   ` transferring " Steve Dawes
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Thomas Ward @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

There is a great program out there called Image cast 4.5 that will do just
this sort of thing. It isn't free, but I love it.
Image cast does have a dos client which  you can make a batch file for which
will do the following:
A. Image all your files, and if you want image [partitions as well.  B.
converts it to a file which you send to another computer on your network or
another hard drive in your computer. C. I use a batch file which then
extracts the image onto the new hard drive, and it is easy as that.
If you are interrested email me off list and I'll see if I can help you get
up and running with IC 4.5, and get your drives imaged.
You can email me at:
tward@bright.net


----- Original Message -----
From: Cheryl Homiak <chomiak@chartermi.net>
To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>; speakup <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>;
<debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 9:29 AM
Subject: transfering linux system to another hard drive


> I apologize for the cross-post, but I'm trying to get info as soon as
> possible; even if somebody has just seen this on one of these lists and
> can steer me toward the correct archive it would be appreciated.
> My hard drive with linux is failing; I have just obtained a 20gig drive
> which will have both my dos and linux on it. All drives--my dying linux
> drive, my old and tiny dos drive, and my new drive--are all connected to
> the computer. I will have to partition the hard drive, but it is being
> recognized correctly in the bios and linux. Eventually, the dying drive
> (hda) will be removed as will the dos drive (hdd) and the new drive (hdb)
> will become hda.  I want to know if there is a way to transfer my linux
> from the dying 2.5gig drive to the new 20gig; I am assuming I will first
> need to partition the hard drive and the partitioning will probably be
> somewhat different from the old drive due to the difference in size.
> Sorry for the info repeat to those on blinux.
> I know I saw a discussion of just this problem somewhere recently but
> haven't been able to locate it.
> Also, can I make my partition that will hold dos with linux since I have
> no data already onthe hard drive to protect?
> thanks.
> Cheryl
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>



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