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* Linux desktop push could benefit disabled (fwd)
@  William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123
   ` Jason
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From: William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123 @  UTC (permalink / raw)
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Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 20:38:58 GMT
From: Maurice A. Mines <mmines@mines-family.net>
To: mmines@qwest.net
Subject: Linux desktop push could benefit disabled


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   EE Times    www.cmpnet.com
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   Linux desktop push could benefit disabled
   By Terry Costlow, EE Times
   Oct 10, 2001 (2:01 PM)
   URL: http://www.eetimes.com/story/OEG20011010S0069

   If the push to extend Linux to the desktop is successful, the disabled
   will  be  big  beneficiaries.  The  Gnome  Accessibility  Framework is
   finalizing   a   release  that  incorporates  support  for  accessible
   applications  programs,  a  move  that  will  make  it far simpler for
   developers  to  link  peripherals  such  as  screen readers to systems
   running the open-source Linux operating system.

   The project to develop the hooks needed for accessibility hardware and
   software  was  begun by Sun Microsystems Inc. (Palo Alto, Calif.), but
   has  now  gained  the help of a number of companies within and without
   the  small  industry  that  focuses  on  accessibility for handicapped
   people.  Among  them  are IBM, HP-Compaq and Linux proponents Red Hat,
   Eazel and TurboLinux.

   "Gnome 2.0 has been completely redesigned; we're building full support
   for  disabilities  into it," said Peter Korn, accessibility manager at
   Sun, referring to the GNU project's Gnome platform for home and office
   desktop PCs. "It's no longer just a Sun effort. We have gotten lots of
   help from the open community."

   "Those  of  us  on  the receiving end of this haven't seen anything to
   base a firm reaction on, but in theory what they're doing will be very
   beneficial," said Bud Rizer, director of the Center on Disabilities at
   California  State  University,  Northridge (CSUN). "I'm sure this will
   come to market soon; they've put too much into it not to get it out."

   The  Gnome  Accessibility Framework is expected to ship late his year,
   and  those involved in simplifying computer access for disabled people
   are anxious to see it in action. (The word, an acronym for GNU Network
   Object Model Environment, is pronounced guh-nome.)

   Moreover,  the  timing  for  the  framework's  arrival  is propitious.
   Earlier  this year, Section 508 of the Rehabilitation Act was enacted,
   directing  federal agencies to provide computer and Internet access to
   people with disabilities or face being sued.

   Some  observers  contend that 54 million Americans, about one in five,
   have  some  form  of  disability,  from carpal-tunnel syndrome to more
   severe   impairments.  Proponents  of  accessibility  technology  also
   contend  that  many of the developments which make products useful for
   disabled  people benefit other citizens as well. Sidewalk cutouts, for
   example,  are  an  aid  not  only to people in wheelchairs but also to
   bicyclists and skateboarders.

   Whether  or  not  the  Gnome  Accessibility  Framework sees widespread
   usage,  of course, hinges on the overall acceptance of Gnome itself on
   the  desktop.  Sun  has  pledged  to  adopt  Gnome for its own desktop
   environment, and a number of major companies also support it.

   Gnome  is up against stiff competition, however, since it hopes to vie
   with  Microsoft  Office  for desktop preeminence. Meanwhile, Microsoft
   Corp.  too is putting a strong emphasis on accessibility software. The
   Redmond, Wash., company has mustered a 40-member team that has contact
   with  all  in-house development groups, advising them on accessibility
   issues.  Microsoft  last  year  won an award for 12 years of effort in
   computer accessibility.

   Hooks   for  accessibility  have  been  built  right  into  the  Gnome
   framework,  making  it  far simpler to integrate hardware and software
   that   meets   the   needs  of  handicapped  people.  Screen  readers,
   voice-recognition  programs and speech-synthesis systems are among the
   types  of gear that can help the disabled operate computers. "Products
   can  work  with  the  full  operations of the operating system they're
   running  on  instead  of  being  bolted  on and working just with some
   things," said Sun's Korn.

   Java  has  these  hooks,  and its developers at Sun have garnered much
   praise  for including them in that OS. "A few months ago, the American
   Foundation  for  the  Blind  [gave  an award to] Java for building the
   hooks in. Java was a predecessor to Gnome," Korn said.

   Many  of  the  companies  that  serve the disabilities marketplace are
   looking  forward to the availability of Gnome because it will simplify
   their   development  cycles.  The  open-source  Linux  environment  is
   expected  to go through fewer changes than other operating systems, so
   the  time  and  expense of upgrading to new OS versions will be vastly
   diminished.  That's  a  big  concern in the accessibility world, since
   many  of  the  companies in the field have just a handful of employees
   and limited resources.

   "Compared  with  the  mainstream  computer companies, companies in the
   disabled  marketplace are very, very small," said Rizer of CSUN. "Each
   time  there's  a  change in the desktop environment, going back to the
   time  of  DOS, they have had to do a total redesign of their products.
   If  Sun does this [Gnome framework] as planned, those types of changes
   won't  be  necessary  anymore, and they can focus on developing better
   products."

   Korn  added  that  Sun's  experience  in  making  Java  accessible  to
   designers  of  equipment  for  handicapped  people  has  helped in the
   creation  of  the  Gnome Accessibility Framework. "When people go from
   Windows  95  to  98  to  ME,  companies need to create new versions of
   screen  readers, or whatever product they make," Korn said. "They have
   not  had  to do that with Java, and they will not have to do that with
   Gnome.  We've  said  this  is the responsibility of the platform. It's
   like building a house with Legos: People usually use stock windows and
   doors.  In  software,  if  there  are stock pieces available for free,
   people will use them, so that's what we've done in Gnome."

   Affordable systems

   Korn  and  others believe that as more accessibility components become
   widely available, the cost of equipment will decline, making computing
   far  more  affordable  for the handicapped and the agencies that serve
   them, both of which often are on tight budgets.

   "There  are tremendous implications for supports and maintenance costs
   as  well  as for the initial costs," Korn said. "If it doesn't take an
   engineering  team  a  year  to  write a screen reader, a screen reader
   might not cost $1,200."

   In  addition  to the Accessibility Framework, Sun has released version
   1.4  of  its  Java  2  software development kit. The kit contains core
   support  for  accessibility  and  the  Swing user interface libraries,
   which  support  the Java accessibility API (also included in the kit).
   Other  elements  include the Java Runtime environment and plug-ins for
   browsers.  Sun  is also shipping version 0.4 of the Java Accessibility
   Helper, a test tool for Java accessibility.

   EE Times    www.cmpnet.com
   The Technology Network

   Copyright 1998 CMP Media Inc.




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* Re: Linux desktop push could benefit disabled (fwd)
   Linux desktop push could benefit disabled (fwd) William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123
@  ` Jason
     ` Thomas Ward
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Jason @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

Well, it's a good thing that other companies have jumped on this, because if 
the lastest headlines from slashdot are correct, Sun has dropped out of the 
GNOME projects recently


On Wednesday October 17, 2001 10:25 am, wacker@octothorp.org wrote
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 20:38:58 GMT
> From: Maurice A. Mines <mmines@mines-family.net>
> To: mmines@qwest.net
> Subject: Linux desktop push could benefit disabled

[snip]
>    The project to develop the hooks needed for accessibility hardware and
>    software  was  begun by Sun Microsystems Inc. (Palo Alto, Calif.), but
>    has  now  gained  the help of a number of companies within and without
>    the  small  industry  that  focuses  on  accessibility for handicapped
>    people.  Among  them  are IBM, HP-Compaq and Linux proponents Red Hat,
>    Eazel and TurboLinux.
[snip]
>    "Gnome 2.0 has been completely redesigned; we're building full support
>    for  disabilities  into it," said Peter Korn, accessibility manager at
>    Sun, referring to the GNU project's Gnome platform for home and office
>    desktop PCs. "It's no longer just a Sun effort. We have gotten lots of
>    help from the open community."
[snip]


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* Re: Linux desktop push could benefit disabled (fwd)
   ` Jason
@    ` Thomas Ward
       ` Saqib Shaikh
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Thomas Ward @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

Well, according to the Gnome site Sun is still working on Gnome 2, and a
early release of Gnome two is expected to come out later this year.
>From all the documentation I have read over the past few months there isn't
much credit to Sun dropping Gnome 2 just yet.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason" <unleet@qwest.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: Linux desktop push could benefit disabled (fwd)


> Well, it's a good thing that other companies have jumped on this, because
if
> the lastest headlines from slashdot are correct, Sun has dropped out of
the
> GNOME projects recently
>
>
> On Wednesday October 17, 2001 10:25 am, wacker@octothorp.org wrote
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 20:38:58 GMT
> > From: Maurice A. Mines <mmines@mines-family.net>
> > To: mmines@qwest.net
> > Subject: Linux desktop push could benefit disabled
>
> [snip]
> >    The project to develop the hooks needed for accessibility hardware
and
> >    software  was  begun by Sun Microsystems Inc. (Palo Alto, Calif.),
but
> >    has  now  gained  the help of a number of companies within and
without
> >    the  small  industry  that  focuses  on  accessibility for
handicapped
> >    people.  Among  them  are IBM, HP-Compaq and Linux proponents Red
Hat,
> >    Eazel and TurboLinux.
> [snip]
> >    "Gnome 2.0 has been completely redesigned; we're building full
support
> >    for  disabilities  into it," said Peter Korn, accessibility manager
at
> >    Sun, referring to the GNU project's Gnome platform for home and
office
> >    desktop PCs. "It's no longer just a Sun effort. We have gotten lots
of
> >    help from the open community."
> [snip]
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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* Re: Linux desktop push could benefit disabled (fwd)
     ` Thomas Ward
@      ` Saqib Shaikh
         ` Jason
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Saqib Shaikh @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

Hi, just to clarify:
Sun are not dropping Gnome yet.
What you may be confusing this with is the fact that Gnome will not be
included in Solaris version 9.0, which is due out early in January.  However
Gnome will be included in a future version of Solaris - Gnome 2 just won't
be ready in time I think.
I'm talking as an individual who has nothing to do with Sun whatsoever, but
this is what I think.
Saqib

----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Ward" <tward@bright.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: Linux desktop push could benefit disabled (fwd)


> Well, according to the Gnome site Sun is still working on Gnome 2, and a
> early release of Gnome two is expected to come out later this year.
> From all the documentation I have read over the past few months there
isn't
> much credit to Sun dropping Gnome 2 just yet.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jason" <unleet@qwest.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 1:56 PM
> Subject: Re: Linux desktop push could benefit disabled (fwd)
>
>
> > Well, it's a good thing that other companies have jumped on this,
because
> if
> > the lastest headlines from slashdot are correct, Sun has dropped out of
> the
> > GNOME projects recently
> >
> >
> > On Wednesday October 17, 2001 10:25 am, wacker@octothorp.org wrote
> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 20:38:58 GMT
> > > From: Maurice A. Mines <mmines@mines-family.net>
> > > To: mmines@qwest.net
> > > Subject: Linux desktop push could benefit disabled
> >
> > [snip]
> > >    The project to develop the hooks needed for accessibility hardware
> and
> > >    software  was  begun by Sun Microsystems Inc. (Palo Alto, Calif.),
> but
> > >    has  now  gained  the help of a number of companies within and
> without
> > >    the  small  industry  that  focuses  on  accessibility for
> handicapped
> > >    people.  Among  them  are IBM, HP-Compaq and Linux proponents Red
> Hat,
> > >    Eazel and TurboLinux.
> > [snip]
> > >    "Gnome 2.0 has been completely redesigned; we're building full
> support
> > >    for  disabilities  into it," said Peter Korn, accessibility manager
> at
> > >    Sun, referring to the GNU project's Gnome platform for home and
> office
> > >    desktop PCs. "It's no longer just a Sun effort. We have gotten lots
> of
> > >    help from the open community."
> > [snip]
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup



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* Re: Linux desktop push could benefit disabled (fwd)
       ` Saqib Shaikh
@        ` Jason
           ` Kirk Wood
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Jason @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

Well, that's whart I get for reading slashdot huh? :-P

On Wednesday October 17, 2001 12:34 pm, you wrote:
> Hi, just to clarify:
> Sun are not dropping Gnome yet.
> What you may be confusing this with is the fact that Gnome will not be
> included in Solaris version 9.0, which is due out early in January. 
> However Gnome will be included in a future version of Solaris - Gnome 2
> just won't be ready in time I think.
> I'm talking as an individual who has nothing to do with Sun whatsoever, but
> this is what I think.
> Saqib
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Thomas Ward" <tward@bright.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 8:28 PM
> Subject: Re: Linux desktop push could benefit disabled (fwd)
>
> > Well, according to the Gnome site Sun is still working on Gnome 2, and a
> > early release of Gnome two is expected to come out later this year.
> > From all the documentation I have read over the past few months there
>
> isn't
>
> > much credit to Sun dropping Gnome 2 just yet.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jason" <unleet@qwest.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 1:56 PM
> > Subject: Re: Linux desktop push could benefit disabled (fwd)
> >
> > > Well, it's a good thing that other companies have jumped on this,
>
> because
>
> > if
> >
> > > the lastest headlines from slashdot are correct, Sun has dropped out of
> >
> > the
> >
> > > GNOME projects recently
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wednesday October 17, 2001 10:25 am, wacker@octothorp.org wrote
> > >



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* Re: Linux desktop push could benefit disabled (fwd)
         ` Jason
@          ` Kirk Wood
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Kirk Wood @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

Don't feel bad, apperently the "whole" open source community thinks that
the sky is going to fall over the latest W3 consideration. You see if one
takes time to read it, they will realize that what it does is allow some
macroslop person to not lose all rights to info that is shared while
working at the W3 labs at MIT. Currently if a researcher for a company
goes to MIT for joint work, any input they give will imediately becoem the
property of MIT. This is looking to change that.

The next thing is something to be somewhat concerned with. While I think
it worth your time to voice an opinion to congress people, it will not be
the end of the world. First, there has to be a standard. Second, once the
standard is in place open source can impliment it. The ability of a bright
individual being able to disable said restriction would in no way impact
the product. This would be akin for someone suing macroslop cause someone
found a way to get arround the country limitation on DVDs.

It might become illegal to modify your software to work arround the
standard. It might (probably will) be illegal for you to tell others how
to disable the copyright protection. But it won't make linux in its
entirety illegal. It won't keep someone from using the current
technology. It (again) isn't the end of the world.

We also should not think that a project would be dead (gnome 2) just
because sun dumps it from their plate. Gnome started without sun. It can
continue with it. Sure the help is good. Sure we should be glad for
corperate help. But speakup should be proof enough that corperations are
not the answer to accesibility. In fact, it is proof they are the wrong
answer most of the time.

=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net

"When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at
a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive."
	- President George Bush



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* Re: Linux desktop push could benefit disabled (fwd)
@  Gregory Nowak
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Gregory Nowak @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

Not only are accessibility corporations the wrong answer most of the time, but as speakup proves, they are usually the more expensive and more cheesy answer.
Greg



> ----- Original Message -----
>From: Kirk Wood <cpt.kirk@1tree.net
>To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 17:11:59 -0500 (CDT)
>Subject: Re: Linux desktop push could benefit disabled (fwd)

>Don't feel bad, apperently the "whole" open source community thinks that
>the sky is going to fall over the latest W3 consideration.  You see if one
>takes time to read it, they will realize that what it does is allow some
>macroslop person to not lose all rights to info that is shared while
>working at the W3 labs at MIT.  Currently if a researcher for a company
>goes to MIT for joint work, any input they give will imediately becoem the
>property of MIT.  This is looking to change that.

>The next thing is something to be somewhat concerned with.  While I think
>it worth your time to voice an opinion to congress people, it will not be
>the end of the world.  First, there has to be a standard.  Second, once the
>standard is in place open source can impliment it.  The ability of a bright
>individual being able to disable said restriction would in no way impact
>the product.  This would be akin for someone suing macroslop cause someone
>found a way to get arround the country limitation on DVDs.

>It might become illegal to modify your software to work arround the
>standard.  It might (probably will) be illegal for you to tell others how
>to disable the copyright protection.  But it won't make linux in its
>entirety illegal.  It won't keep someone from using the current
>technology.  It (again) isn't the end of the world.

>We also should not think that a project would be dead (gnome 2) just
>because sun dumps it from their plate.  Gnome started without sun.  It can
>continue with it.  Sure the help is good.  Sure we should be glad for
>corperate help.  But speakup should be proof enough that corperations are
>not the answer to accesibility.  In fact, it is proof they are the wrong
>answer most of the time.

>=======
>Kirk Wood
>Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net

>"When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at
>a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt.  It's going to be decisive."
>	- President George Bush


>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup




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