Re: An idea,

["hank smith" <hanksmith4@earthlink.net>]

what program? just curiousity
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From: "John covici" <covici@ccs.covici.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: An idea,


> Well, I am not sure how it worked, but I once tried an X server for
> windows which was able to figure out the controls under Linux and my
> windows screen reader was able to read them after a fashion, so I
> wonder if there is some window information passed to the Xserver after
> all.
>
> on Wednesday 07/27/2005 Kelly Prescott(prescott@deltav.org) wrote
>  > hmm, a interesting concept...
>  > The problem is that by the time the x server sees most of the stuff, it
is
>  > just screen position renderings.  The server does not have a concept of
>  > letters, characters, etc.
>  > The server knows where you click on a screen, for example, but it just
>  > sends the information to the under lying application which is
responsible
>  > for deciding if you have clicked on a button etc.
>  > This is a over simplified explaination, but for our purposes, it will
>  > do...
>  > Bottom line is that what ever toolbox, library, wigit set, rendering
app,
>  > or what ever, it must feed the textual information to some interface
for
>  > the screen reader to get at it so it can be read.
>  > Hope this helps.
>  > kp
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > On Tue, 26 Jul 2005, Lorenzo Taylor wrote:
>  >
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>  > > Here's another idea, maybe no one has thought of it yet, or maybe it
is
>  > > impossible to implement, but here it goes.
>  > >
>  > > It seems that the existing approaches for X screen readers should be
taking a
>  > > look at Speakup as a model.  Gnopernicus, for example, is using
libraries that
>  > > rely on certain information ent by the underlying application
libraries.
>  > > Unfortunately, this implementation causes only some apps to speak
while others
>  > > which use the same widgets but whose libraries don't send messages to
the
>  > > accessibility system will not speak.  But it occurs to me that X is
simply a
>  > > protocol by which client applications send messages to a server which
renders
>  > > the proper text, windows, buttons and other widgets on the screen.  I
believe
>  > > that a screen reader that is an extension to the X server itself,
(like Speakup
>  > > is a set of patches to the kernel) would be a far better solution, as
it could
>  > > capture everything sent to the server and correctly translate it into
humanly
>  > > understandable speech output without relying on "accessibility
messages" being
>  > > sent from the client apps.
>  > >
>  > > Any thoughts on this would be welcome.
>  > >
>  > > Lorenzo
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