images

images

[Alex Snow]

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What dos/windows software can I use to make disk images with?

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Re: images

[Igor Gueths]

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Do you mean Cd images? You can make those with Easy Cd Creator 5 platinum, which I happened to obtain for free off of gnutella. 

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Re: images

[Gregory Nowak]

Rawrite for DOS, rawrite for windows, or dd under almost any unix.
Greg


On Sun, Feb 24, 2002 at 06:08:19PM -0500, Alex Snow wrote:
> What dos/windows software can I use to make disk images with?

Re: images

[Ed Barnes]

Alex.
Rawrite's the best way to go or at least that is what I am led to believe
from the research I have been doing of late regarding installing a Linux
distro on one of my systems.
As you'll probably know from reading the messages on the list since I
subscribed earlier this week, I've not as of yet installed a distribution.
  It'll happen any time between Wednesday and next week-end if things go
according to my plans for this week.
There are some precautions to keep in mind when using rawrite too that you
should be aware of.
Namely, it's best to run rawrite by shutting down to DOS and killing your
screen reader then type rawrite.
Next rawrite will ask for the name of the image you wish to write.
For example: accntsab.bin
Type it's full path and hit enter.
 Next, type the letter of the system's floppy drive.
You'll hear action from the floppy drive for 30-45 seconds I'd estimate and
once action ceases you're done.
  Good luck.
Ed Barnes

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
To: <Speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 7:38 PM
Subject: images


What dos/windows software can I use to make disk images with?

Re: images

[Alex Snow]

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Nope, disk images.  They are usually .img or .bin files.
Thanks 
Alex Snow

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Re: images

[Alex Snow]

How can I creat the images with rawrite?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gregory Nowak" <gnowak1@uic.edu>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: images


> Rawrite for DOS, rawrite for windows, or dd under almost any unix.
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Sun, Feb 24, 2002 at 06:08:19PM -0500, Alex Snow wrote:
> > What dos/windows software can I use to make disk images with?
> 
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Re: images

[Alex Snow]

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Yeah, now that you mention it, cd images wouldn't be a bad idea until I find something mor practical.
Could you tell me how you got it?
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Igor Gueths 
  To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca 
  Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 6:13 PM
  Subject: Re: images


  Do you mean Cd images? You can make those with Easy Cd Creator 5 platinum, which I happened to obtain for free off of gnutella. 

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Re: images

[Igor Gueths]

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Oh. Sorry about that. I didn't know you were talking about boot images. 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Alex Snow 
  To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca 
  Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 7:55 PM
  Subject: Re: images


  Nope, disk images.  They are usually .img or .bin files.
  Thanks 
  Alex Snow

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Re: images

[Igor Gueths]

Hi Alex.

    I haven't actually used hte program, but I believe the syntax is: rawrite -f filename a:. Or something like that. Hope this helps, and correct me if I am wrong. 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Alex Snow <alex_snow@gmx.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: images


> How can I creat the images with rawrite?
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gregory Nowak" <gnowak1@uic.edu>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 6:31 PM
> Subject: Re: images
> 
> 
> > Rawrite for DOS, rawrite for windows, or dd under almost any unix.
> > Greg
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, Feb 24, 2002 at 06:08:19PM -0500, Alex Snow wrote:
> > > What dos/windows software can I use to make disk images with?
> > 
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Re: images

[Alex Snow]

Hi All!
I just noticed that I was a little unclear in my original message about
images.  I really ment that I need a dos/windows program that will creat the
images readable with rawrite.

Re: images

[Gregory Nowak]

A port of dd is your best bet if one exists.
Greg


On Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 04:51:06PM -0500, Alex Snow wrote:
> Hi All!
> I just noticed that I was a little unclear in my original message about
> images.  I really ment that I need a dos/windows program that will creat the
> images readable with rawrite.
> 
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Re: images

[Janina Sajka]

rawrite is a DOS program. After you use it correctly, you have a floppy 
that you can read in DOS/Windows. Ditto for rawrite for Windows.

On Mon, 25 Feb 2002, Alex Snow wrote:

> Hi All!
> I just noticed that I was a little unclear in my original message about
> images.  I really ment that I need a dos/windows program that will creat the
> images readable with rawrite.
> 
> 
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Re: images

[Igor Gueths]

Rawrite for windows is also called Winwrite. I'm not sure where you can get it, but just do a search on google.com for "winwrite" and it should find it. Be sure to leave the quotes in when doing the search, this ensures that google tries to locate documents with the exact phrase. 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Janina Sajka <janina@afb.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: images


> rawrite is a DOS program. After you use it correctly, you have a floppy 
> that you can read in DOS/Windows. Ditto for rawrite for Windows.
> 
> On Mon, 25 Feb 2002, Alex Snow wrote:
> 
> > Hi All!
> > I just noticed that I was a little unclear in my original message about
> > images.  I really ment that I need a dos/windows program that will creat the
> > images readable with rawrite.
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> 
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> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> 
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> 
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> http://www.openebook.org
> 
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Re: images

[Pete]

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  attached is a link to rawrite for windows.  I tryed it and it works.
  Pete



----- Original Message -----
F    rom: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@yahoo.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 8:26 PM
Subject: Re: images


Rawrite for windows is also called Winwrite. I'm not sure where you can get
it, but just do a search on google.com for "winwrite" and it should find it.
Be sure to leave the quotes in when doing the search, this ensures that
google tries to locate documents with the exact phrase.
----- Original Message -----
From: Janina Sajka <janina@afb.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: images


> rawrite is a DOS program. After you use it correctly, you have a floppy
> that you can read in DOS/Windows. Ditto for rawrite for Windows.
>
> On Mon, 25 Feb 2002, Alex Snow wrote:
>
> > Hi All!
> > I just noticed that I was a little unclear in my original message about
> > images.  I really ment that I need a dos/windows program that will creat
the
> > images readable with rawrite.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
>
>
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Options for buying a computer.

[Anna Schneider]

Hi everyone.  If my message isn't very clear, I appologize ahead of time.  
I've had a very frustrating day in computer research lnd.  Even knowing 
that Linux isn't mainstream, I didn't know things would be this difficult, 
so if I'm a bit hard to follow, that's why.

What I want to know is, short of building my own computer, are there any 
options for either buying a computer with Linux already installed or for 
buying a computer with no operating system on it to begin with?  Dell will 
only install on business systems, and Compaq's web site claims that 
several versions of Linux are among the operating systems they offer, but 
when I called the number listed, I didn't get any people, I only got "You 
live in Seattle Washington, Compaq computers are available at these 
locations."  Mutter mutter mutter.

And while I'm here I'll ask a couple of other things.  Is there a list 
anywhere of scsi scanners currently in production complete with features 
and prices?

And I've seen the occasional mention of a program called Viavoice on here?  
Is this a screen reader for Linux, and if so, what are its positives, 
negatives, and how does it compare to Speak Up?

Thanks much.

Anna

Re: images

[Pete]

http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/rawwrite.htm 
  Sorry here it is.  

Re: Options for buying a computer.

[Ron Marriage]

Wal-Mart now sells computers online, without any OS.
Prices start at $399 for 1 Ghz models.

Ron


Anna Schneider wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone.  If my message isn't very clear, I appologize ahead of time.
> I've had a very frustrating day in computer research lnd.  Even knowing
> that Linux isn't mainstream, I didn't know things would be this difficult,
> so if I'm a bit hard to follow, that's why.
> 
> What I want to know is, short of building my own computer, are there any
> options for either buying a computer with Linux already installed or for
> buying a computer with no operating system on it to begin with?  Dell will
> only install on business systems, and Compaq's web site claims that
> several versions of Linux are among the operating systems they offer, but
> when I called the number listed, I didn't get any people, I only got "You
> live in Seattle Washington, Compaq computers are available at these
> locations."  Mutter mutter mutter.

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Re: images

[Georgina]

Hi

Theree's a copy of Rawwritewin in the goodies directory on Speakup.

Gena



>Rawrite for windows is also called Winwrite. I'm not sure where you can =
>get it, but just do a search on google.com for "winwrite" and it should =
>find it. Be sure to leave the quotes in when doing the search, this =
>ensures that google tries to locate documents with the exact phrase.=20
>----- Original Message -----=20
>From: Janina Sajka <janina@afb.net>
>To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 7:54 PM
>Subject: Re: images
>
>
>> rawrite is a DOS program. After you use it correctly, you have a =
>floppy=20
>> that you can read in DOS/Windows. Ditto for rawrite for Windows.
>>=20
>> On Mon, 25 Feb 2002, Alex Snow wrote:
>>=20
>> > Hi All!
>> > I just noticed that I was a little unclear in my original message =
>about
>> > images.  I really ment that I need a dos/windows program that will =
>creat the
>> > images readable with rawrite.
>> >=20
>> >=20
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Speakup mailing list
>> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >=20
>>=20
>> --=20
>>=20
>> Janina Sajka, Director
>> Technology Research and Development
>> Governmental Relations Group
>> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>>=20
>> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>>=20
>> Chair, Accessibility SIG
>> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
>> http://www.openebook.org
>>=20
>>=20
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Re: Options for buying a computer.

[Steve Holmes]

You might be better off dealing with a local computer shop in your area
who might be willing to sell you a computer to your specifications with no
preinstalled anything.  Then you can stipulate that you want at least one
serial port, ISA slots or whatever.  Obviously if you are using new
hardware, new network cards, SCSI host adaptors, etc., you might not need
ISA slots but you probably need one or more serial ports for synth and
modem.  A lot of these local computer shops are quite reasonable and
certainly more flexible than a mail order place.  The problem with a lot
of the big stores and such, they preinstall operating systems and software
and there are sometimes warantee implications at stake if the machine is
reformatted with your own OS.  Just another thing to wrinkle up your
research <sigh>.

If top of the line performance isn't too critical to you, a used machine
might not be a bad bet either.  Linux doesn't require near the resources
that winblows does thus there's often a lot of people selling off their
older pentiums like a 133 or 200 and that will run linux perfectly!

On Mon, 25 Feb 2002, Anna Schneider wrote:

>
> Hi everyone.  If my message isn't very clear, I appologize ahead of time.
> I've had a very frustrating day in computer research lnd.  Even knowing
> that Linux isn't mainstream, I didn't know things would be this difficult,
> so if I'm a bit hard to follow, that's why.
>
> What I want to know is, short of building my own computer, are there any
> options for either buying a computer with Linux already installed or for
> buying a computer with no operating system on it to begin with?  Dell will
> only install on business systems, and Compaq's web site claims that
> several versions of Linux are among the operating systems they offer, but
> when I called the number listed, I didn't get any people, I only got "You
> live in Seattle Washington, Compaq computers are available at these
> locations."  Mutter mutter mutter.
>
> And while I'm here I'll ask a couple of other things.  Is there a list
> anywhere of scsi scanners currently in production complete with features
> and prices?
>
> And I've seen the occasional mention of a program called Viavoice on here?
> Is this a screen reader for Linux, and if so, what are its positives,
> negatives, and how does it compare to Speak Up?
>
> Thanks much.
>
> Anna
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Options for buying a computer.

[Charles Crawford]

What happened to that Pogo site that someone was talking about with Redhat 
Linux preinstalled and everything working?

At 05:16 AM 02/26/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>You might be better off dealing with a local computer shop in your area
>who might be willing to sell you a computer to your specifications with no
>preinstalled anything.  Then you can stipulate that you want at least one
>serial port, ISA slots or whatever.  Obviously if you are using new
>hardware, new network cards, SCSI host adaptors, etc., you might not need
>ISA slots but you probably need one or more serial ports for synth and
>modem.  A lot of these local computer shops are quite reasonable and
>certainly more flexible than a mail order place.  The problem with a lot
>of the big stores and such, they preinstall operating systems and software
>and there are sometimes warantee implications at stake if the machine is
>reformatted with your own OS.  Just another thing to wrinkle up your
>research <sigh>.
>
>If top of the line performance isn't too critical to you, a used machine
>might not be a bad bet either.  Linux doesn't require near the resources
>that winblows does thus there's often a lot of people selling off their
>older pentiums like a 133 or 200 and that will run linux perfectly!
>
>On Mon, 25 Feb 2002, Anna Schneider wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi everyone.  If my message isn't very clear, I appologize ahead of time.
> > I've had a very frustrating day in computer research lnd.  Even knowing
> > that Linux isn't mainstream, I didn't know things would be this difficult,
> > so if I'm a bit hard to follow, that's why.
> >
> > What I want to know is, short of building my own computer, are there any
> > options for either buying a computer with Linux already installed or for
> > buying a computer with no operating system on it to begin with?  Dell will
> > only install on business systems, and Compaq's web site claims that
> > several versions of Linux are among the operating systems they offer, but
> > when I called the number listed, I didn't get any people, I only got "You
> > live in Seattle Washington, Compaq computers are available at these
> > locations."  Mutter mutter mutter.
> >
> > And while I'm here I'll ask a couple of other things.  Is there a list
> > anywhere of scsi scanners currently in production complete with features
> > and prices?
> >
> > And I've seen the occasional mention of a program called Viavoice on here?
> > Is this a screen reader for Linux, and if so, what are its positives,
> > negatives, and how does it compare to Speak Up?
> >
> > Thanks much.
> >
> > Anna
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
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Re: Options for buying a computer.

[Ron Marriage]

Here's the URL.  They did a good job on my personal system
and tech support was great.

Pogo Linux1
http://www.pogolinux.com/

Ron

Charles Crawford wrote:
> 
> What happened to that Pogo site that someone was talking about with Redhat
> Linux preinstalled and everything working?
> 

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Re: images

[Janina Sajka]

Look on http://www.google.com. That's how I found it.

On Mon, 25 Feb 2002, Igor Gueths wrote:

> Rawrite for windows is also called Winwrite. I'm not sure where you can get it, but just do a search on google.com for "winwrite" and it should find it. Be sure to leave the quotes in when doing the search, this ensures that google tries to locate documents with the exact phrase. 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Janina Sajka <janina@afb.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 7:54 PM
> Subject: Re: images
> 
> 
> > rawrite is a DOS program. After you use it correctly, you have a floppy 
> > that you can read in DOS/Windows. Ditto for rawrite for Windows.
> > 
> > On Mon, 25 Feb 2002, Alex Snow wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi All!
> > > I just noticed that I was a little unclear in my original message about
> > > images.  I really ment that I need a dos/windows program that will creat the
> > > images readable with rawrite.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > 
> > 
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> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > 
> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > 
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> > 
> > 
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Re: Options for buying a computer.

[Richard Villa]

Well,

There is a local shop here in Austin that has very good prices, and will
install Linux upon request.

The name of the company is, Laboratory Computers.  You can get to their Webb
site at http://www.labroratorycomputers.com and look at their price list.
It is better to give than to receive. don't believe me, just ask a boxer.

Richard

Re: Options for buying a computer.

[Amanda Lee]

http://www.compusa.com

they have a number of refurbished computers pretty cheap with warranty
as well as most popular brands of desktop and notebook.

I just bought a Fujitsu Notebook two days ago from Best Buy.

Although I did a lot of looking online on:

http://www.bestbuy.com

I did purchase my Notebook from a local store but I already knew what I
wanted and just went in and asked them to bring the one I had on hold to
the Customer Service area.  It was very helpful to go online because the
kind of assistance one finds in a retail store, even Comp USA and Circuit
City and places that are supposed to be selling these items, is not worth
one's frustration and time of day!  I asked for a PCMCIA N Wireless
Network card for my Notebook.  What did he show up with?  A PCI card and
they didn't have the one for the NOtebook or he didn't have the
wherewithal to look!

I also did a bit of research on the various vendor sites for Hewlett
Packard, Fujitsu and others.

Another place who has a lot of refurbished and discontinued models is:

http://www.consumerdepot.com

Can always just use a favorite Search Engine and find lots of other info
out there as well as places to buy.  What I've indicated
are definitely
not all available choices.  I had certain constraints like an 18 months at
zero percent interest coupon for Best Buy which best suited my own budget
<smile>!


Amanda Lee

Alexandria, VA



On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, Ron Marriage wrote:

> Wal-Mart now sells computers online, without any OS.
> Prices start at $399 for 1 Ghz models.
>
> Ron
>
>
> Anna Schneider wrote:
> >
> > Hi everyone.  If my message isn't very clear, I appologize ahead of time.
> > I've had a very frustrating day in computer research lnd.  Even knowing
> > that Linux isn't mainstream, I didn't know things would be this difficult,
> > so if I'm a bit hard to follow, that's why.
> >
> > What I want to know is, short of building my own computer, are there any
> > options for either buying a computer with Linux already installed or for
> > buying a computer with no operating system on it to begin with?  Dell will
> > only install on business systems, and Compaq's web site claims that
> > several versions of Linux are among the operating systems they offer, but
> > when I called the number listed, I didn't get any people, I only got "You
> > live in Seattle Washington, Compaq computers are available at these
> > locations."  Mutter mutter mutter.
>
> --
> ===
> Ron Marriage
> Home Page http://www.seidata.com/~marriage/
> Blind Links http://www.seidata.com/~marriage/rblind.html
> Linux  http://www.seidata.com/~seilug/
> Email  mailto:marriage@seidata.com
>
> Win door prizes!  Meet old and new friends!
> See the latest technology and gadgets for your everyday
> living!
> Learn how the NFB is helping to knock down barriers
> to make your life better!
> All this and more at the 2002 NFB National Convention
> July 3 - 9 -- for details go to: http://www.nfbk.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Options for buying a computer.

[Amanda Lee]

Get into the frame of mind of thinking about a USB port as now being the
most universal port going forward until something else comes along to
trump it.  My NOtebook has 4 <g>!  No serial port; 1 parallel port and
ah'yes! a Firewire Port ...  Modems, keyboards, Speech Synthesizers,
Network Interfaces, Scanners, Printers, most any peripheral out there
these days is available in a USB life form! <g>!

Amanda Lee

Alexandria, VA



On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, Steve Holmes wrote:

> You might be better off dealing with a local computer shop in your area
> who might be willing to sell you a computer to your specifications with no
> preinstalled anything.  Then you can stipulate that you want at least one
> serial port, ISA slots or whatever.  Obviously if you are using new
> hardware, new network cards, SCSI host adaptors, etc., you might not need
> ISA slots but you probably need one or more serial ports for synth and
> modem.  A lot of these local computer shops are quite reasonable and
> certainly more flexible than a mail order place.  The problem with a lot
> of the big stores and such, they preinstall operating systems and software
> and there are sometimes warantee implications at stake if the machine is
> reformatted with your own OS.  Just another thing to wrinkle up your
> research <sigh>.
>
> If top of the line performance isn't too critical to you, a used machine
> might not be a bad bet either.  Linux doesn't require near the resources
> that winblows does thus there's often a lot of people selling off their
> older pentiums like a 133 or 200 and that will run linux perfectly!
>
> On Mon, 25 Feb 2002, Anna Schneider wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi everyone.  If my message isn't very clear, I appologize ahead of time.
> > I've had a very frustrating day in computer research lnd.  Even knowing
> > that Linux isn't mainstream, I didn't know things would be this difficult,
> > so if I'm a bit hard to follow, that's why.
> >
> > What I want to know is, short of building my own computer, are there any
> > options for either buying a computer with Linux already installed or for
> > buying a computer with no operating system on it to begin with?  Dell will
> > only install on business systems, and Compaq's web site claims that
> > several versions of Linux are among the operating systems they offer, but
> > when I called the number listed, I didn't get any people, I only got "You
> > live in Seattle Washington, Compaq computers are available at these
> > locations."  Mutter mutter mutter.
> >
> > And while I'm here I'll ask a couple of other things.  Is there a list
> > anywhere of scsi scanners currently in production complete with features
> > and prices?
> >
> > And I've seen the occasional mention of a program called Viavoice on here?
> > Is this a screen reader for Linux, and if so, what are its positives,
> > negatives, and how does it compare to Speak Up?
> >
> > Thanks much.
> >
> > Anna
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Options for buying a computer.

[Anna Schneider]

Hi everyone.  I appreciate all the helpful suggestions.  I actually 
checked out Pop Linux earlier this week and really liked them.  They are 
quite helpful, they told me things like the model of printer that they 
sell but I don't have to buy it from them so I found it cheaper elsewhere 
but I still get the drivers, and the company is local to me.  If the 
system I get is as well put together as I think it will be, I will also be 
highly recommending them.

I plan to order on Monday.

Anna

Re: images

[Thomas Ward]

Hi. Sorry this message is so late.
Anyway, I highly suggest using a program called Image Cast.Iyt is a vary 
good program, and it is one of the best I've seen.
I will also recommend staying away from Norton Ghost. It is a waist of 
your money.


On Sun, 24 Feb 2002, Alex Snow wrote:

> What dos/windows software can I use to make disk images with?

Re: images

[Thomas Ward]

Oops. I made the same mistake. I thought he wanted to make hard drive 
images.

On Sun, 24 Feb 2002, Igor Gueths wrote:

> Oh. Sorry about that. I didn't know you were talking about boot images. 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Alex Snow 
>   To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca 
>   Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 7:55 PM
>   Subject: Re: images
> 
> 
>   Nope, disk images.  They are usually .img or .bin files.
>   Thanks 
>   Alex Snow
> 

Re: Options for buying a computer.

[Janina Sajka]

So, you're ready for linux at last? Cool.

Be sure to get the latest revs at 
http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/redhat/images. What we did last 
spring at Charley's is old old news by now. Let me know if you need disks.
 
On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Amanda Lee wrote:

> http://www.compusa.com
> 
> they have a number of refurbished computers pretty cheap with warranty
> as well as most popular brands of desktop and notebook.
> 
> I just bought a Fujitsu Notebook two days ago from Best Buy.
> 
> Although I did a lot of looking online on:
> 
> http://www.bestbuy.com
> 
> I did purchase my Notebook from a local store but I already knew what I
> wanted and just went in and asked them to bring the one I had on hold to
> the Customer Service area.  It was very helpful to go online because the
> kind of assistance one finds in a retail store, even Comp USA and Circuit
> City and places that are supposed to be selling these items, is not worth
> one's frustration and time of day!  I asked for a PCMCIA N Wireless
> Network card for my Notebook.  What did he show up with?  A PCI card and
> they didn't have the one for the NOtebook or he didn't have the
> wherewithal to look!
> 
> I also did a bit of research on the various vendor sites for Hewlett
> Packard, Fujitsu and others.
> 
> Another place who has a lot of refurbished and discontinued models is:
> 
> http://www.consumerdepot.com
> 
> Can always just use a favorite Search Engine and find lots of other info
> out there as well as places to buy.  What I've indicated
> are definitely
> not all available choices.  I had certain constraints like an 18 months at
> zero percent interest coupon for Best Buy which best suited my own budget
> <smile>!
> 
> 
> Amanda Lee
> 
> Alexandria, VA
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, Ron Marriage wrote:
> 
> > Wal-Mart now sells computers online, without any OS.
> > Prices start at $399 for 1 Ghz models.
> >
> > Ron
> >
> >
> > Anna Schneider wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi everyone.  If my message isn't very clear, I appologize ahead of time.
> > > I've had a very frustrating day in computer research lnd.  Even knowing
> > > that Linux isn't mainstream, I didn't know things would be this difficult,
> > > so if I'm a bit hard to follow, that's why.
> > >
> > > What I want to know is, short of building my own computer, are there any
> > > options for either buying a computer with Linux already installed or for
> > > buying a computer with no operating system on it to begin with?  Dell will
> > > only install on business systems, and Compaq's web site claims that
> > > several versions of Linux are among the operating systems they offer, but
> > > when I called the number listed, I didn't get any people, I only got "You
> > > live in Seattle Washington, Compaq computers are available at these
> > > locations."  Mutter mutter mutter.
> >
> > --
> > ===
> > Ron Marriage
> > Home Page http://www.seidata.com/~marriage/
> > Blind Links http://www.seidata.com/~marriage/rblind.html
> > Linux  http://www.seidata.com/~seilug/
> > Email  mailto:marriage@seidata.com
> >
> > Win door prizes!  Meet old and new friends!
> > See the latest technology and gadgets for your everyday
> > living!
> > Learn how the NFB is helping to knock down barriers
> > to make your life better!
> > All this and more at the 2002 NFB National Convention
> > July 3 - 9 -- for details go to: http://www.nfbk.org
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Re: Options for buying a computer.

[Janina Sajka]

Well, I take it back. No speakup for you yet.

On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Amanda Lee wrote:

> Get into the frame of mind of thinking about a USB port as now being the
> most universal port going forward until something else comes along to
> trump it.  My NOtebook has 4 <g>!  No serial port; 1 parallel port and
> ah'yes! a Firewire Port ...  Modems, keyboards, Speech Synthesizers,
> Network Interfaces, Scanners, Printers, most any peripheral out there
> these days is available in a USB life form! <g>!
> 
> Amanda Lee
> 
> Alexandria, VA
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, Steve Holmes wrote:
> 
> > You might be better off dealing with a local computer shop in your area
> > who might be willing to sell you a computer to your specifications with no
> > preinstalled anything.  Then you can stipulate that you want at least one
> > serial port, ISA slots or whatever.  Obviously if you are using new
> > hardware, new network cards, SCSI host adaptors, etc., you might not need
> > ISA slots but you probably need one or more serial ports for synth and
> > modem.  A lot of these local computer shops are quite reasonable and
> > certainly more flexible than a mail order place.  The problem with a lot
> > of the big stores and such, they preinstall operating systems and software
> > and there are sometimes warantee implications at stake if the machine is
> > reformatted with your own OS.  Just another thing to wrinkle up your
> > research <sigh>.
> >
> > If top of the line performance isn't too critical to you, a used machine
> > might not be a bad bet either.  Linux doesn't require near the resources
> > that winblows does thus there's often a lot of people selling off their
> > older pentiums like a 133 or 200 and that will run linux perfectly!
> >
> > On Mon, 25 Feb 2002, Anna Schneider wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hi everyone.  If my message isn't very clear, I appologize ahead of time.
> > > I've had a very frustrating day in computer research lnd.  Even knowing
> > > that Linux isn't mainstream, I didn't know things would be this difficult,
> > > so if I'm a bit hard to follow, that's why.
> > >
> > > What I want to know is, short of building my own computer, are there any
> > > options for either buying a computer with Linux already installed or for
> > > buying a computer with no operating system on it to begin with?  Dell will
> > > only install on business systems, and Compaq's web site claims that
> > > several versions of Linux are among the operating systems they offer, but
> > > when I called the number listed, I didn't get any people, I only got "You
> > > live in Seattle Washington, Compaq computers are available at these
> > > locations."  Mutter mutter mutter.
> > >
> > > And while I'm here I'll ask a couple of other things.  Is there a list
> > > anywhere of scsi scanners currently in production complete with features
> > > and prices?
> > >
> > > And I've seen the occasional mention of a program called Viavoice on here?
> > > Is this a screen reader for Linux, and if so, what are its positives,
> > > negatives, and how does it compare to Speak Up?
> > >
> > > Thanks much.
> > >
> > > Anna
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Re: Options for buying a computer.

[Amanda Lee]

Hahahaha! o'well I'm in Janina's penalty box!  I still have this other
compaq but haven't pulled off all the stuff I need off of there so I can
nuke down the HD.  <grinn!>

Amanda Lee

----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: Options for buying a computer.


Well, I take it back. No speakup for you yet.

On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Amanda Lee wrote:

> Get into the frame of mind of thinking about a USB port as now being the
> most universal port going forward until something else comes along to
> trump it.  My NOtebook has 4 <g>!  No serial port; 1 parallel port and
> ah'yes! a Firewire Port ...  Modems, keyboards, Speech Synthesizers,
> Network Interfaces, Scanners, Printers, most any peripheral out there
> these days is available in a USB life form! <g>!
>
> Amanda Lee
>
> Alexandria, VA
>
>
>
> On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, Steve Holmes wrote:
>
> > You might be better off dealing with a local computer shop in your area
> > who might be willing to sell you a computer to your specifications with
no
> > preinstalled anything.  Then you can stipulate that you want at least
one
> > serial port, ISA slots or whatever.  Obviously if you are using new
> > hardware, new network cards, SCSI host adaptors, etc., you might not
need
> > ISA slots but you probably need one or more serial ports for synth and
> > modem.  A lot of these local computer shops are quite reasonable and
> > certainly more flexible than a mail order place.  The problem with a lot
> > of the big stores and such, they preinstall operating systems and
software
> > and there are sometimes warantee implications at stake if the machine is
> > reformatted with your own OS.  Just another thing to wrinkle up your
> > research <sigh>.
> >
> > If top of the line performance isn't too critical to you, a used machine
> > might not be a bad bet either.  Linux doesn't require near the resources
> > that winblows does thus there's often a lot of people selling off their
> > older pentiums like a 133 or 200 and that will run linux perfectly!
> >
> > On Mon, 25 Feb 2002, Anna Schneider wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hi everyone.  If my message isn't very clear, I appologize ahead of
time.
> > > I've had a very frustrating day in computer research lnd.  Even
knowing
> > > that Linux isn't mainstream, I didn't know things would be this
difficult,
> > > so if I'm a bit hard to follow, that's why.
> > >
> > > What I want to know is, short of building my own computer, are there
any
> > > options for either buying a computer with Linux already installed or
for
> > > buying a computer with no operating system on it to begin with?  Dell
will
> > > only install on business systems, and Compaq's web site claims that
> > > several versions of Linux are among the operating systems they offer,
but
> > > when I called the number listed, I didn't get any people, I only got
"You
> > > live in Seattle Washington, Compaq computers are available at these
> > > locations."  Mutter mutter mutter.
> > >
> > > And while I'm here I'll ask a couple of other things.  Is there a list
> > > anywhere of scsi scanners currently in production complete with
features
> > > and prices?
> > >
> > > And I've seen the occasional mention of a program called Viavoice on
here?
> > > Is this a screen reader for Linux, and if so, what are its positives,
> > > negatives, and how does it compare to Speak Up?
> > >
> > > Thanks much.
> > >
> > > Anna
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

--

Janina Sajka, Director
Technology Research and Development
Governmental Relations Group
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org


_______________________________________________
Speakup mailing list
Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Options for buying a computer.

[Amanda Lee]

Ooo ahoooooo! you're right! damn! no lousy Serial port unless can find a
converter from USB to Serial for the Transport.  O'well, guess I have to buy
a Tripple Talk aaaarrrrrrggggggg!  As you can see, I'm reading backwards!
makes life more interesting!

Amanda Lee


----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: Options for buying a computer.


So, you're ready for linux at last? Cool.

Be sure to get the latest revs at
http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/redhat/images. What we did last
spring at Charley's is old old news by now. Let me know if you need disks.

On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Amanda Lee wrote:

> http://www.compusa.com
>
> they have a number of refurbished computers pretty cheap with warranty
> as well as most popular brands of desktop and notebook.
>
> I just bought a Fujitsu Notebook two days ago from Best Buy.
>
> Although I did a lot of looking online on:
>
> http://www.bestbuy.com
>
> I did purchase my Notebook from a local store but I already knew what I
> wanted and just went in and asked them to bring the one I had on hold to
> the Customer Service area.  It was very helpful to go online because the
> kind of assistance one finds in a retail store, even Comp USA and Circuit
> City and places that are supposed to be selling these items, is not worth
> one's frustration and time of day!  I asked for a PCMCIA N Wireless
> Network card for my Notebook.  What did he show up with?  A PCI card and
> they didn't have the one for the NOtebook or he didn't have the
> wherewithal to look!
>
> I also did a bit of research on the various vendor sites for Hewlett
> Packard, Fujitsu and others.
>
> Another place who has a lot of refurbished and discontinued models is:
>
> http://www.consumerdepot.com
>
> Can always just use a favorite Search Engine and find lots of other info
> out there as well as places to buy.  What I've indicated
> are definitely
> not all available choices.  I had certain constraints like an 18 months at
> zero percent interest coupon for Best Buy which best suited my own budget
> <smile>!
>
>
> Amanda Lee
>
> Alexandria, VA
>
>
>
> On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, Ron Marriage wrote:
>
> > Wal-Mart now sells computers online, without any OS.
> > Prices start at $399 for 1 Ghz models.
> >
> > Ron
> >
> >
> > Anna Schneider wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi everyone.  If my message isn't very clear, I appologize ahead of
time.
> > > I've had a very frustrating day in computer research lnd.  Even
knowing
> > > that Linux isn't mainstream, I didn't know things would be this
difficult,
> > > so if I'm a bit hard to follow, that's why.
> > >
> > > What I want to know is, short of building my own computer, are there
any
> > > options for either buying a computer with Linux already installed or
for
> > > buying a computer with no operating system on it to begin with?  Dell
will
> > > only install on business systems, and Compaq's web site claims that
> > > several versions of Linux are among the operating systems they offer,
but
> > > when I called the number listed, I didn't get any people, I only got
"You
> > > live in Seattle Washington, Compaq computers are available at these
> > > locations."  Mutter mutter mutter.
> >
> > --
> > ===
> > Ron Marriage
> > Home Page http://www.seidata.com/~marriage/
> > Blind Links http://www.seidata.com/~marriage/rblind.html
> > Linux  http://www.seidata.com/~seilug/
> > Email  mailto:marriage@seidata.com
> >
> > Win door prizes!  Meet old and new friends!
> > See the latest technology and gadgets for your everyday
> > living!
> > Learn how the NFB is helping to knock down barriers
> > to make your life better!
> > All this and more at the 2002 NFB National Convention
> > July 3 - 9 -- for details go to: http://www.nfbk.org
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

--

Janina Sajka, Director
Technology Research and Development
Governmental Relations Group
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org


_______________________________________________
Speakup mailing list
Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Options for buying a computer.

[Janina Sajka]

Well, usb to serial has worked for some folks and not for others, but that 
does suggest some hope. Tripletalk is not supported yet, emphasis on yet.

On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Amanda Lee wrote:

> Ooo ahoooooo! you're right! damn! no lousy Serial port unless can find a
> converter from USB to Serial for the Transport.  O'well, guess I have to buy
> a Tripple Talk aaaarrrrrrggggggg!  As you can see, I'm reading backwards!
> makes life more interesting!
> 
> Amanda Lee
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 5:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Options for buying a computer.
> 
> 
> So, you're ready for linux at last? Cool.
> 
> Be sure to get the latest revs at
> http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/redhat/images. What we did last
> spring at Charley's is old old news by now. Let me know if you need disks.
> 
> On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Amanda Lee wrote:
> 
> > http://www.compusa.com
> >
> > they have a number of refurbished computers pretty cheap with warranty
> > as well as most popular brands of desktop and notebook.
> >
> > I just bought a Fujitsu Notebook two days ago from Best Buy.
> >
> > Although I did a lot of looking online on:
> >
> > http://www.bestbuy.com
> >
> > I did purchase my Notebook from a local store but I already knew what I
> > wanted and just went in and asked them to bring the one I had on hold to
> > the Customer Service area.  It was very helpful to go online because the
> > kind of assistance one finds in a retail store, even Comp USA and Circuit
> > City and places that are supposed to be selling these items, is not worth
> > one's frustration and time of day!  I asked for a PCMCIA N Wireless
> > Network card for my Notebook.  What did he show up with?  A PCI card and
> > they didn't have the one for the NOtebook or he didn't have the
> > wherewithal to look!
> >
> > I also did a bit of research on the various vendor sites for Hewlett
> > Packard, Fujitsu and others.
> >
> > Another place who has a lot of refurbished and discontinued models is:
> >
> > http://www.consumerdepot.com
> >
> > Can always just use a favorite Search Engine and find lots of other info
> > out there as well as places to buy.  What I've indicated
> > are definitely
> > not all available choices.  I had certain constraints like an 18 months at
> > zero percent interest coupon for Best Buy which best suited my own budget
> > <smile>!
> >
> >
> > Amanda Lee
> >
> > Alexandria, VA
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, Ron Marriage wrote:
> >
> > > Wal-Mart now sells computers online, without any OS.
> > > Prices start at $399 for 1 Ghz models.
> > >
> > > Ron
> > >
> > >
> > > Anna Schneider wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi everyone.  If my message isn't very clear, I appologize ahead of
> time.
> > > > I've had a very frustrating day in computer research lnd.  Even
> knowing
> > > > that Linux isn't mainstream, I didn't know things would be this
> difficult,
> > > > so if I'm a bit hard to follow, that's why.
> > > >
> > > > What I want to know is, short of building my own computer, are there
> any
> > > > options for either buying a computer with Linux already installed or
> for
> > > > buying a computer with no operating system on it to begin with?  Dell
> will
> > > > only install on business systems, and Compaq's web site claims that
> > > > several versions of Linux are among the operating systems they offer,
> but
> > > > when I called the number listed, I didn't get any people, I only got
> "You
> > > > live in Seattle Washington, Compaq computers are available at these
> > > > locations."  Mutter mutter mutter.
> > >
> > > --
> > > ===
> > > Ron Marriage
> > > Home Page http://www.seidata.com/~marriage/
> > > Blind Links http://www.seidata.com/~marriage/rblind.html
> > > Linux  http://www.seidata.com/~seilug/
> > > Email  mailto:marriage@seidata.com
> > >
> > > Win door prizes!  Meet old and new friends!
> > > See the latest technology and gadgets for your everyday
> > > living!
> > > Learn how the NFB is helping to knock down barriers
> > > to make your life better!
> > > All this and more at the 2002 NFB National Convention
> > > July 3 - 9 -- for details go to: http://www.nfbk.org
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> --
> 
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> 
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> 
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Re: Options for buying a computer.

[Amanda Lee]

Okay, i"ll see about a converter and can test the waters with Window-Eyes to
see if will work with the Qrtic Transport.

Has a 40Gig HD on this Notebook so there's plenty of real estate!

Amanda Lee


----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: Options for buying a computer.


Well, usb to serial has worked for some folks and not for others, but that
does suggest some hope. Tripletalk is not supported yet, emphasis on yet.

On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Amanda Lee wrote:

> Ooo ahoooooo! you're right! damn! no lousy Serial port unless can find a
> converter from USB to Serial for the Transport.  O'well, guess I have to
buy
> a Tripple Talk aaaarrrrrrggggggg!  As you can see, I'm reading backwards!
> makes life more interesting!
>
> Amanda Lee
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 5:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Options for buying a computer.
>
>
> So, you're ready for linux at last? Cool.
>
> Be sure to get the latest revs at
> http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/redhat/images. What we did last
> spring at Charley's is old old news by now. Let me know if you need disks.
>
> On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Amanda Lee wrote:
>
> > http://www.compusa.com
> >
> > they have a number of refurbished computers pretty cheap with warranty
> > as well as most popular brands of desktop and notebook.
> >
> > I just bought a Fujitsu Notebook two days ago from Best Buy.
> >
> > Although I did a lot of looking online on:
> >
> > http://www.bestbuy.com
> >
> > I did purchase my Notebook from a local store but I already knew what I
> > wanted and just went in and asked them to bring the one I had on hold to
> > the Customer Service area.  It was very helpful to go online because the
> > kind of assistance one finds in a retail store, even Comp USA and
Circuit
> > City and places that are supposed to be selling these items, is not
worth
> > one's frustration and time of day!  I asked for a PCMCIA N Wireless
> > Network card for my Notebook.  What did he show up with?  A PCI card and
> > they didn't have the one for the NOtebook or he didn't have the
> > wherewithal to look!
> >
> > I also did a bit of research on the various vendor sites for Hewlett
> > Packard, Fujitsu and others.
> >
> > Another place who has a lot of refurbished and discontinued models is:
> >
> > http://www.consumerdepot.com
> >
> > Can always just use a favorite Search Engine and find lots of other info
> > out there as well as places to buy.  What I've indicated
> > are definitely
> > not all available choices.  I had certain constraints like an 18 months
at
> > zero percent interest coupon for Best Buy which best suited my own
budget
> > <smile>!
> >
> >
> > Amanda Lee
> >
> > Alexandria, VA
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, Ron Marriage wrote:
> >
> > > Wal-Mart now sells computers online, without any OS.
> > > Prices start at $399 for 1 Ghz models.
> > >
> > > Ron
> > >
> > >
> > > Anna Schneider wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi everyone.  If my message isn't very clear, I appologize ahead of
> time.
> > > > I've had a very frustrating day in computer research lnd.  Even
> knowing
> > > > that Linux isn't mainstream, I didn't know things would be this
> difficult,
> > > > so if I'm a bit hard to follow, that's why.
> > > >
> > > > What I want to know is, short of building my own computer, are there
> any
> > > > options for either buying a computer with Linux already installed or
> for
> > > > buying a computer with no operating system on it to begin with?
Dell
> will
> > > > only install on business systems, and Compaq's web site claims that
> > > > several versions of Linux are among the operating systems they
offer,
> but
> > > > when I called the number listed, I didn't get any people, I only got
> "You
> > > > live in Seattle Washington, Compaq computers are available at these
> > > > locations."  Mutter mutter mutter.
> > >
> > > --
> > > ===
> > > Ron Marriage
> > > Home Page http://www.seidata.com/~marriage/
> > > Blind Links http://www.seidata.com/~marriage/rblind.html
> > > Linux  http://www.seidata.com/~seilug/
> > > Email  mailto:marriage@seidata.com
> > >
> > > Win door prizes!  Meet old and new friends!
> > > See the latest technology and gadgets for your everyday
> > > living!
> > > Learn how the NFB is helping to knock down barriers
> > > to make your life better!
> > > All this and more at the 2002 NFB National Convention
> > > July 3 - 9 -- for details go to: http://www.nfbk.org
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

--

Janina Sajka, Director
Technology Research and Development
Governmental Relations Group
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org


_______________________________________________
Speakup mailing list
Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Options for buying a computer.

[Gregory Nowak]

Why the emphases? Did they finally agree to release the specs?
Greg


On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 06:55:56PM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> Well, usb to serial has worked for some folks and not for others, but that 
> does suggest some hope. Tripletalk is not supported yet, emphasis on yet.
> 
> On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Amanda Lee wrote:
> 
> > Ooo ahoooooo! you're right! damn! no lousy Serial port unless can find a
> > converter from USB to Serial for the Transport.  O'well, guess I have to buy
> > a Tripple Talk aaaarrrrrrggggggg!  As you can see, I'm reading backwards!
> > makes life more interesting!
> > 
> > Amanda Lee
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 5:32 PM
> > Subject: Re: Options for buying a computer.
> > 
> > 
> > So, you're ready for linux at last? Cool.
> > 
> > Be sure to get the latest revs at
> > http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/redhat/images. What we did last
> > spring at Charley's is old old news by now. Let me know if you need disks.
> > 
> > On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Amanda Lee wrote:
> > 
> > > http://www.compusa.com
> > >
> > > they have a number of refurbished computers pretty cheap with warranty
> > > as well as most popular brands of desktop and notebook.
> > >
> > > I just bought a Fujitsu Notebook two days ago from Best Buy.
> > >
> > > Although I did a lot of looking online on:
> > >
> > > http://www.bestbuy.com
> > >
> > > I did purchase my Notebook from a local store but I already knew what I
> > > wanted and just went in and asked them to bring the one I had on hold to
> > > the Customer Service area.  It was very helpful to go online because the
> > > kind of assistance one finds in a retail store, even Comp USA and Circuit
> > > City and places that are supposed to be selling these items, is not worth
> > > one's frustration and time of day!  I asked for a PCMCIA N Wireless
> > > Network card for my Notebook.  What did he show up with?  A PCI card and
> > > they didn't have the one for the NOtebook or he didn't have the
> > > wherewithal to look!
> > >
> > > I also did a bit of research on the various vendor sites for Hewlett
> > > Packard, Fujitsu and others.
> > >
> > > Another place who has a lot of refurbished and discontinued models is:
> > >
> > > http://www.consumerdepot.com
> > >
> > > Can always just use a favorite Search Engine and find lots of other info
> > > out there as well as places to buy.  What I've indicated
> > > are definitely
> > > not all available choices.  I had certain constraints like an 18 months at
> > > zero percent interest coupon for Best Buy which best suited my own budget
> > > <smile>!
> > >
> > >
> > > Amanda Lee
> > >
> > > Alexandria, VA
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, Ron Marriage wrote:
> > >
> > > > Wal-Mart now sells computers online, without any OS.
> > > > Prices start at $399 for 1 Ghz models.
> > > >
> > > > Ron
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Anna Schneider wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi everyone.  If my message isn't very clear, I appologize ahead of
> > time.
> > > > > I've had a very frustrating day in computer research lnd.  Even
> > knowing
> > > > > that Linux isn't mainstream, I didn't know things would be this
> > difficult,
> > > > > so if I'm a bit hard to follow, that's why.
> > > > >
> > > > > What I want to know is, short of building my own computer, are there
> > any
> > > > > options for either buying a computer with Linux already installed or
> > for
> > > > > buying a computer with no operating system on it to begin with?  Dell
> > will
> > > > > only install on business systems, and Compaq's web site claims that
> > > > > several versions of Linux are among the operating systems they offer,
> > but
> > > > > when I called the number listed, I didn't get any people, I only got
> > "You
> > > > > live in Seattle Washington, Compaq computers are available at these
> > > > > locations."  Mutter mutter mutter.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > ===
> > > > Ron Marriage
> > > > Home Page http://www.seidata.com/~marriage/
> > > > Blind Links http://www.seidata.com/~marriage/rblind.html
> > > > Linux  http://www.seidata.com/~seilug/
> > > > Email  mailto:marriage@seidata.com
> > > >
> > > > Win door prizes!  Meet old and new friends!
> > > > See the latest technology and gadgets for your everyday
> > > > living!
> > > > Learn how the NFB is helping to knock down barriers
> > > > to make your life better!
> > > > All this and more at the 2002 NFB National Convention
> > > > July 3 - 9 -- for details go to: http://www.nfbk.org
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > 
> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > 
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> 
> -- 
> 	
> 				Janina Sajka, Director
> 				Technology Research and Development
> 				Governmental Relations Group
> 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> 
> Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
> 
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: images

[Angelo Sonnesso]

Is there anything like imagecast that will run under Linux?
What makes this program better than ghost.
Both appear to have the same command line structure.
They don't speak, so you don't know what is going on.
I guess I would like to get one of these programs, so I really would like to
know.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Ward" <tward@bright.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: images


>
> Hi. Sorry this message is so late.
> Anyway, I highly suggest using a program called Image Cast.Iyt is a vary
> good program, and it is one of the best I've seen.
> I will also recommend staying away from Norton Ghost. It is a waist of
> your money.
>
>
> On Sun, 24 Feb 2002, Alex Snow wrote:
>
> > What dos/windows software can I use to make disk images with?
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Options for buying a computer.

[Thomas Ward]

Hi, Amanda. Just a note here. the Belkin USB to serial conversion works well
with Speakup. I've only gotten this to work well on Red Hat 7.2 so far.
However, I have managed to get my Dectalk Express to run via USB so USB is
not the nightmare everyone thinks it is.

----- Original Message -----
From: Amanda Lee <amanda@shellworld.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: Options for buying a computer.


> Ooo ahoooooo! you're right! damn! no lousy Serial port unless can find a
> converter from USB to Serial for the Transport.  O'well, guess I have to
buy
> a Tripple Talk aaaarrrrrrggggggg!  As you can see, I'm reading backwards!
> makes life more interesting!
>
> Amanda Lee
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 5:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Options for buying a computer.
>
>
> So, you're ready for linux at last? Cool.
>
> Be sure to get the latest revs at
> http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/redhat/images. What we did last
> spring at Charley's is old old news by now. Let me know if you need disks.
>
> On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Amanda Lee wrote:
>
> > http://www.compusa.com
> >
> > they have a number of refurbished computers pretty cheap with warranty
> > as well as most popular brands of desktop and notebook.
> >
> > I just bought a Fujitsu Notebook two days ago from Best Buy.
> >
> > Although I did a lot of looking online on:
> >
> > http://www.bestbuy.com
> >
> > I did purchase my Notebook from a local store but I already knew what I
> > wanted and just went in and asked them to bring the one I had on hold to
> > the Customer Service area.  It was very helpful to go online because the
> > kind of assistance one finds in a retail store, even Comp USA and
Circuit
> > City and places that are supposed to be selling these items, is not
worth
> > one's frustration and time of day!  I asked for a PCMCIA N Wireless
> > Network card for my Notebook.  What did he show up with?  A PCI card and
> > they didn't have the one for the NOtebook or he didn't have the
> > wherewithal to look!
> >
> > I also did a bit of research on the various vendor sites for Hewlett
> > Packard, Fujitsu and others.
> >
> > Another place who has a lot of refurbished and discontinued models is:
> >
> > http://www.consumerdepot.com
> >
> > Can always just use a favorite Search Engine and find lots of other info
> > out there as well as places to buy.  What I've indicated
> > are definitely
> > not all available choices.  I had certain constraints like an 18 months
at
> > zero percent interest coupon for Best Buy which best suited my own
budget
> > <smile>!
> >
> >
> > Amanda Lee
> >
> > Alexandria, VA
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, Ron Marriage wrote:
> >
> > > Wal-Mart now sells computers online, without any OS.
> > > Prices start at $399 for 1 Ghz models.
> > >
> > > Ron
> > >
> > >
> > > Anna Schneider wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi everyone.  If my message isn't very clear, I appologize ahead of
> time.
> > > > I've had a very frustrating day in computer research lnd.  Even
> knowing
> > > > that Linux isn't mainstream, I didn't know things would be this
> difficult,
> > > > so if I'm a bit hard to follow, that's why.
> > > >
> > > > What I want to know is, short of building my own computer, are there
> any
> > > > options for either buying a computer with Linux already installed or
> for
> > > > buying a computer with no operating system on it to begin with?
Dell
> will
> > > > only install on business systems, and Compaq's web site claims that
> > > > several versions of Linux are among the operating systems they
offer,
> but
> > > > when I called the number listed, I didn't get any people, I only got
> "You
> > > > live in Seattle Washington, Compaq computers are available at these
> > > > locations."  Mutter mutter mutter.
> > >
> > > --
> > > ===
> > > Ron Marriage
> > > Home Page http://www.seidata.com/~marriage/
> > > Blind Links http://www.seidata.com/~marriage/rblind.html
> > > Linux  http://www.seidata.com/~seilug/
> > > Email  mailto:marriage@seidata.com
> > >
> > > Win door prizes!  Meet old and new friends!
> > > See the latest technology and gadgets for your everyday
> > > living!
> > > Learn how the NFB is helping to knock down barriers
> > > to make your life better!
> > > All this and more at the 2002 NFB National Convention
> > > July 3 - 9 -- for details go to: http://www.nfbk.org
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Options for buying a computer.

[Alex Snow]

I won't buy a computer anymore. The last machine I baught was a compaq 133
back in 96.  It was fast then and had a crap load of ram, but now it is the
slowest thing.  The machine I'm on now's got 128 megs of ram and a 1 ghz AMD
Chip.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Amanda Lee" <amanda@shellworld.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: Options for buying a computer.


> Hahahaha! o'well I'm in Janina's penalty box!  I still have this other
> compaq but haven't pulled off all the stuff I need off of there so I can
> nuke down the HD.  <grinn!>
>
> Amanda Lee
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 5:33 PM
> Subject: Re: Options for buying a computer.
>
>
> Well, I take it back. No speakup for you yet.
>
> On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Amanda Lee wrote:
>
> > Get into the frame of mind of thinking about a USB port as now being the
> > most universal port going forward until something else comes along to
> > trump it.  My NOtebook has 4 <g>!  No serial port; 1 parallel port and
> > ah'yes! a Firewire Port ...  Modems, keyboards, Speech Synthesizers,
> > Network Interfaces, Scanners, Printers, most any peripheral out there
> > these days is available in a USB life form! <g>!
> >
> > Amanda Lee
> >
> > Alexandria, VA
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, Steve Holmes wrote:
> >
> > > You might be better off dealing with a local computer shop in your
area
> > > who might be willing to sell you a computer to your specifications
with
> no
> > > preinstalled anything.  Then you can stipulate that you want at least
> one
> > > serial port, ISA slots or whatever.  Obviously if you are using new
> > > hardware, new network cards, SCSI host adaptors, etc., you might not
> need
> > > ISA slots but you probably need one or more serial ports for synth and
> > > modem.  A lot of these local computer shops are quite reasonable and
> > > certainly more flexible than a mail order place.  The problem with a
lot
> > > of the big stores and such, they preinstall operating systems and
> software
> > > and there are sometimes warantee implications at stake if the machine
is
> > > reformatted with your own OS.  Just another thing to wrinkle up your
> > > research <sigh>.
> > >
> > > If top of the line performance isn't too critical to you, a used
machine
> > > might not be a bad bet either.  Linux doesn't require near the
resources
> > > that winblows does thus there's often a lot of people selling off
their
> > > older pentiums like a 133 or 200 and that will run linux perfectly!
> > >
> > > On Mon, 25 Feb 2002, Anna Schneider wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi everyone.  If my message isn't very clear, I appologize ahead of
> time.
> > > > I've had a very frustrating day in computer research lnd.  Even
> knowing
> > > > that Linux isn't mainstream, I didn't know things would be this
> difficult,
> > > > so if I'm a bit hard to follow, that's why.
> > > >
> > > > What I want to know is, short of building my own computer, are there
> any
> > > > options for either buying a computer with Linux already installed or
> for
> > > > buying a computer with no operating system on it to begin with?
Dell
> will
> > > > only install on business systems, and Compaq's web site claims that
> > > > several versions of Linux are among the operating systems they
offer,
> but
> > > > when I called the number listed, I didn't get any people, I only got
> "You
> > > > live in Seattle Washington, Compaq computers are available at these
> > > > locations."  Mutter mutter mutter.
> > > >
> > > > And while I'm here I'll ask a couple of other things.  Is there a
list
> > > > anywhere of scsi scanners currently in production complete with
> features
> > > > and prices?
> > > >
> > > > And I've seen the occasional mention of a program called Viavoice on
> here?
> > > > Is this a screen reader for Linux, and if so, what are its
positives,
> > > > negatives, and how does it compare to Speak Up?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks much.
> > > >
> > > > Anna
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: images

[Thomas Ward]

Well, for one thing Image Cast does not trash the FS Jaws key. I've been
able to include Jaws For Windows key and all into my IC images without no
damage to the key, and extract it back to my hard drive.
Ghost on the other hand smokes it everytime I've tried.So I use IC for
backing up Windows, Linux, etc.
I have a multiplatform network including different operating systems, and I
wanted that would grab the Windows screen readers as well as imaging
everything.


----- Original Message -----
From: Angelo Sonnesso <asonnesso@coastalnet.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 12:46 AM
Subject: Re: images


> Is there anything like imagecast that will run under Linux?
> What makes this program better than ghost.
> Both appear to have the same command line structure.
> They don't speak, so you don't know what is going on.
> I guess I would like to get one of these programs, so I really would like
to
> know.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Thomas Ward" <tward@bright.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 4:49 PM
> Subject: Re: images
>
>
> >
> > Hi. Sorry this message is so late.
> > Anyway, I highly suggest using a program called Image Cast.Iyt is a vary
> > good program, and it is one of the best I've seen.
> > I will also recommend staying away from Norton Ghost. It is a waist of
> > your money.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 24 Feb 2002, Alex Snow wrote:
> >
> > > What dos/windows software can I use to make disk images with?
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Options for buying a computer.

[Janina Sajka]

There's more than one way to skin a cat.

On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Gregory Nowak wrote:

> Why the emphases? Did they finally agree to release the specs?
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 06:55:56PM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > Well, usb to serial has worked for some folks and not for others, but that 
> > does suggest some hope. Tripletalk is not supported yet, emphasis on yet.
> > 
> > On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Amanda Lee wrote:
> > 
> > > Ooo ahoooooo! you're right! damn! no lousy Serial port unless can find a
> > > converter from USB to Serial for the Transport.  O'well, guess I have to buy
> > > a Tripple Talk aaaarrrrrrggggggg!  As you can see, I'm reading backwards!
> > > makes life more interesting!
> > > 
> > > Amanda Lee
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 5:32 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Options for buying a computer.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > So, you're ready for linux at last? Cool.
> > > 
> > > Be sure to get the latest revs at
> > > http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/redhat/images. What we did last
> > > spring at Charley's is old old news by now. Let me know if you need disks.
> > > 
> > > On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Amanda Lee wrote:
> > > 
> > > > http://www.compusa.com
> > > >
> > > > they have a number of refurbished computers pretty cheap with warranty
> > > > as well as most popular brands of desktop and notebook.
> > > >
> > > > I just bought a Fujitsu Notebook two days ago from Best Buy.
> > > >
> > > > Although I did a lot of looking online on:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.bestbuy.com
> > > >
> > > > I did purchase my Notebook from a local store but I already knew what I
> > > > wanted and just went in and asked them to bring the one I had on hold to
> > > > the Customer Service area.  It was very helpful to go online because the
> > > > kind of assistance one finds in a retail store, even Comp USA and Circuit
> > > > City and places that are supposed to be selling these items, is not worth
> > > > one's frustration and time of day!  I asked for a PCMCIA N Wireless
> > > > Network card for my Notebook.  What did he show up with?  A PCI card and
> > > > they didn't have the one for the NOtebook or he didn't have the
> > > > wherewithal to look!
> > > >
> > > > I also did a bit of research on the various vendor sites for Hewlett
> > > > Packard, Fujitsu and others.
> > > >
> > > > Another place who has a lot of refurbished and discontinued models is:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.consumerdepot.com
> > > >
> > > > Can always just use a favorite Search Engine and find lots of other info
> > > > out there as well as places to buy.  What I've indicated
> > > > are definitely
> > > > not all available choices.  I had certain constraints like an 18 months at
> > > > zero percent interest coupon for Best Buy which best suited my own budget
> > > > <smile>!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Amanda Lee
> > > >
> > > > Alexandria, VA
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, Ron Marriage wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Wal-Mart now sells computers online, without any OS.
> > > > > Prices start at $399 for 1 Ghz models.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ron
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Anna Schneider wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi everyone.  If my message isn't very clear, I appologize ahead of
> > > time.
> > > > > > I've had a very frustrating day in computer research lnd.  Even
> > > knowing
> > > > > > that Linux isn't mainstream, I didn't know things would be this
> > > difficult,
> > > > > > so if I'm a bit hard to follow, that's why.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What I want to know is, short of building my own computer, are there
> > > any
> > > > > > options for either buying a computer with Linux already installed or
> > > for
> > > > > > buying a computer with no operating system on it to begin with?  Dell
> > > will
> > > > > > only install on business systems, and Compaq's web site claims that
> > > > > > several versions of Linux are among the operating systems they offer,
> > > but
> > > > > > when I called the number listed, I didn't get any people, I only got
> > > "You
> > > > > > live in Seattle Washington, Compaq computers are available at these
> > > > > > locations."  Mutter mutter mutter.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > ===
> > > > > Ron Marriage
> > > > > Home Page http://www.seidata.com/~marriage/
> > > > > Blind Links http://www.seidata.com/~marriage/rblind.html
> > > > > Linux  http://www.seidata.com/~seilug/
> > > > > Email  mailto:marriage@seidata.com
> > > > >
> > > > > Win door prizes!  Meet old and new friends!
> > > > > See the latest technology and gadgets for your everyday
> > > > > living!
> > > > > Learn how the NFB is helping to knock down barriers
> > > > > to make your life better!
> > > > > All this and more at the 2002 NFB National Convention
> > > > > July 3 - 9 -- for details go to: http://www.nfbk.org
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > > 
> > > --
> > > 
> > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > Technology Research and Development
> > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > > 
> > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > > 
> > > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > http://www.openebook.org
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > 	
> > 				Janina Sajka, Director
> > 				Technology Research and Development
> > 				Governmental Relations Group
> > 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > 
> > Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > 
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Re: images

[Gregory Nowak]

Try dd under gnu/linux. The only thing it lacks is the ability to save and restore images over a network.
Greg


On Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 12:46:29AM -0500, Angelo Sonnesso wrote:
> Is there anything like imagecast that will run under Linux?
> What makes this program better than ghost.
> Both appear to have the same command line structure.
> They don't speak, so you don't know what is going on.
> I guess I would like to get one of these programs, so I really would like to
> know.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Thomas Ward" <tward@bright.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 4:49 PM
> Subject: Re: images
> 
> 
> >
> > Hi. Sorry this message is so late.
> > Anyway, I highly suggest using a program called Image Cast.Iyt is a vary
> > good program, and it is one of the best I've seen.
> > I will also recommend staying away from Norton Ghost. It is a waist of
> > your money.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 24 Feb 2002, Alex Snow wrote:
> >
> > > What dos/windows software can I use to make disk images with?
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: images

[Janina Sajka]

On Sat, 2 Mar 2002, Angelo Sonnesso wrote:

> Is there anything like imagecast that will run under Linux?


dd

It works like a charm, and I'd wager it's faster than Ghost, which I've 
used extensively.

Here's an example. My Windows installations always live on /dev/hda3. 
Since I have Windows mainly to evaluate various software apps as part of 
my job, I'm forever installing things in Windows that trash my 
installation. So, I'm constantly restoring from backup.

Here's how I create a backup image:

dd if=/dev/hda3 of=/home/janina/win98.img

And, if some ill-behaved Windows app makes a mess of my Windows 
installation, I don't bother trying to clean things up with Microsoft 
tools. Rather, I simply restore from my backup as follows:

dd if=/home/janina/win98.img of=/dev/hda3

And, about ten minutes later, I'm back in business.

Re: Options for buying a computer.

[Gregory Nowak]

Are you talking about the belkin f5u103? I've got to find time one of theese days, and try that with slackware 8.
Greg


On Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 08:47:15AM -0500, Thomas Ward wrote:
> Hi, Amanda. Just a note here. the Belkin USB to serial conversion works well
> with Speakup. I've only gotten this to work well on Red Hat 7.2 so far.
> However, I have managed to get my Dectalk Express to run via USB so USB is
> not the nightmare everyone thinks it is.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Amanda Lee <amanda@shellworld.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 6:14 PM
> Subject: Re: Options for buying a computer.
> 
> 
> > Ooo ahoooooo! you're right! damn! no lousy Serial port unless can find a
> > converter from USB to Serial for the Transport.  O'well, guess I have to
> buy
> > a Tripple Talk aaaarrrrrrggggggg!  As you can see, I'm reading backwards!
> > makes life more interesting!
> >
> > Amanda Lee
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 5:32 PM
> > Subject: Re: Options for buying a computer.
> >
> >
> > So, you're ready for linux at last? Cool.
> >
> > Be sure to get the latest revs at
> > http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/redhat/images. What we did last
> > spring at Charley's is old old news by now. Let me know if you need disks.
> >
> > On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Amanda Lee wrote:
> >
> > > http://www.compusa.com
> > >
> > > they have a number of refurbished computers pretty cheap with warranty
> > > as well as most popular brands of desktop and notebook.
> > >
> > > I just bought a Fujitsu Notebook two days ago from Best Buy.
> > >
> > > Although I did a lot of looking online on:
> > >
> > > http://www.bestbuy.com
> > >
> > > I did purchase my Notebook from a local store but I already knew what I
> > > wanted and just went in and asked them to bring the one I had on hold to
> > > the Customer Service area.  It was very helpful to go online because the
> > > kind of assistance one finds in a retail store, even Comp USA and
> Circuit
> > > City and places that are supposed to be selling these items, is not
> worth
> > > one's frustration and time of day!  I asked for a PCMCIA N Wireless
> > > Network card for my Notebook.  What did he show up with?  A PCI card and
> > > they didn't have the one for the NOtebook or he didn't have the
> > > wherewithal to look!
> > >
> > > I also did a bit of research on the various vendor sites for Hewlett
> > > Packard, Fujitsu and others.
> > >
> > > Another place who has a lot of refurbished and discontinued models is:
> > >
> > > http://www.consumerdepot.com
> > >
> > > Can always just use a favorite Search Engine and find lots of other info
> > > out there as well as places to buy.  What I've indicated
> > > are definitely
> > > not all available choices.  I had certain constraints like an 18 months
> at
> > > zero percent interest coupon for Best Buy which best suited my own
> budget
> > > <smile>!
> > >
> > >
> > > Amanda Lee
> > >
> > > Alexandria, VA
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, Ron Marriage wrote:
> > >
> > > > Wal-Mart now sells computers online, without any OS.
> > > > Prices start at $399 for 1 Ghz models.
> > > >
> > > > Ron
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Anna Schneider wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi everyone.  If my message isn't very clear, I appologize ahead of
> > time.
> > > > > I've had a very frustrating day in computer research lnd.  Even
> > knowing
> > > > > that Linux isn't mainstream, I didn't know things would be this
> > difficult,
> > > > > so if I'm a bit hard to follow, that's why.
> > > > >
> > > > > What I want to know is, short of building my own computer, are there
> > any
> > > > > options for either buying a computer with Linux already installed or
> > for
> > > > > buying a computer with no operating system on it to begin with?
> Dell
> > will
> > > > > only install on business systems, and Compaq's web site claims that
> > > > > several versions of Linux are among the operating systems they
> offer,
> > but
> > > > > when I called the number listed, I didn't get any people, I only got
> > "You
> > > > > live in Seattle Washington, Compaq computers are available at these
> > > > > locations."  Mutter mutter mutter.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > ===
> > > > Ron Marriage
> > > > Home Page http://www.seidata.com/~marriage/
> > > > Blind Links http://www.seidata.com/~marriage/rblind.html
> > > > Linux  http://www.seidata.com/~seilug/
> > > > Email  mailto:marriage@seidata.com
> > > >
> > > > Win door prizes!  Meet old and new friends!
> > > > See the latest technology and gadgets for your everyday
> > > > living!
> > > > Learn how the NFB is helping to knock down barriers
> > > > to make your life better!
> > > > All this and more at the 2002 NFB National Convention
> > > > July 3 - 9 -- for details go to: http://www.nfbk.org
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Options for buying a computer.

[Gregory Nowak]

Ah, I see, cute. Any indication now on how long till the cat is skinned?
How long did skinning some of the other cats usually take?
Greg


On Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 11:28:15AM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> There's more than one way to skin a cat.
> 
> On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> 
> > Why the emphases? Did they finally agree to release the specs?
> > Greg
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 06:55:56PM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > > Well, usb to serial has worked for some folks and not for others, but that 
> > > does suggest some hope. Tripletalk is not supported yet, emphasis on yet.
> > > 
> > > On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Amanda Lee wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Ooo ahoooooo! you're right! damn! no lousy Serial port unless can find a
> > > > converter from USB to Serial for the Transport.  O'well, guess I have to buy
> > > > a Tripple Talk aaaarrrrrrggggggg!  As you can see, I'm reading backwards!
> > > > makes life more interesting!
> > > > 
> > > > Amanda Lee
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 5:32 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Options for buying a computer.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > So, you're ready for linux at last? Cool.
> > > > 
> > > > Be sure to get the latest revs at
> > > > http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/redhat/images. What we did last
> > > > spring at Charley's is old old news by now. Let me know if you need disks.
> > > > 
> > > > On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Amanda Lee wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > http://www.compusa.com
> > > > >
> > > > > they have a number of refurbished computers pretty cheap with warranty
> > > > > as well as most popular brands of desktop and notebook.
> > > > >
> > > > > I just bought a Fujitsu Notebook two days ago from Best Buy.
> > > > >
> > > > > Although I did a lot of looking online on:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.bestbuy.com
> > > > >
> > > > > I did purchase my Notebook from a local store but I already knew what I
> > > > > wanted and just went in and asked them to bring the one I had on hold to
> > > > > the Customer Service area.  It was very helpful to go online because the
> > > > > kind of assistance one finds in a retail store, even Comp USA and Circuit
> > > > > City and places that are supposed to be selling these items, is not worth
> > > > > one's frustration and time of day!  I asked for a PCMCIA N Wireless
> > > > > Network card for my Notebook.  What did he show up with?  A PCI card and
> > > > > they didn't have the one for the NOtebook or he didn't have the
> > > > > wherewithal to look!
> > > > >
> > > > > I also did a bit of research on the various vendor sites for Hewlett
> > > > > Packard, Fujitsu and others.
> > > > >
> > > > > Another place who has a lot of refurbished and discontinued models is:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.consumerdepot.com
> > > > >
> > > > > Can always just use a favorite Search Engine and find lots of other info
> > > > > out there as well as places to buy.  What I've indicated
> > > > > are definitely
> > > > > not all available choices.  I had certain constraints like an 18 months at
> > > > > zero percent interest coupon for Best Buy which best suited my own budget
> > > > > <smile>!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Amanda Lee
> > > > >
> > > > > Alexandria, VA
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, Ron Marriage wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Wal-Mart now sells computers online, without any OS.
> > > > > > Prices start at $399 for 1 Ghz models.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ron
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anna Schneider wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi everyone.  If my message isn't very clear, I appologize ahead of
> > > > time.
> > > > > > > I've had a very frustrating day in computer research lnd.  Even
> > > > knowing
> > > > > > > that Linux isn't mainstream, I didn't know things would be this
> > > > difficult,
> > > > > > > so if I'm a bit hard to follow, that's why.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What I want to know is, short of building my own computer, are there
> > > > any
> > > > > > > options for either buying a computer with Linux already installed or
> > > > for
> > > > > > > buying a computer with no operating system on it to begin with?  Dell
> > > > will
> > > > > > > only install on business systems, and Compaq's web site claims that
> > > > > > > several versions of Linux are among the operating systems they offer,
> > > > but
> > > > > > > when I called the number listed, I didn't get any people, I only got
> > > > "You
> > > > > > > live in Seattle Washington, Compaq computers are available at these
> > > > > > > locations."  Mutter mutter mutter.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > ===
> > > > > > Ron Marriage
> > > > > > Home Page http://www.seidata.com/~marriage/
> > > > > > Blind Links http://www.seidata.com/~marriage/rblind.html
> > > > > > Linux  http://www.seidata.com/~seilug/
> > > > > > Email  mailto:marriage@seidata.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Win door prizes!  Meet old and new friends!
> > > > > > See the latest technology and gadgets for your everyday
> > > > > > living!
> > > > > > Learn how the NFB is helping to knock down barriers
> > > > > > to make your life better!
> > > > > > All this and more at the 2002 NFB National Convention
> > > > > > July 3 - 9 -- for details go to: http://www.nfbk.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > --
> > > > 
> > > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > > Technology Research and Development
> > > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > > > 
> > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > > > 
> > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > > http://www.openebook.org
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
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> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > 	
> > > 				Janina Sajka, Director
> > > 				Technology Research and Development
> > > 				Governmental Relations Group
> > > 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > > 
> > > Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > > 
> > > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > http://www.openebook.org
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
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> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> 
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> 	
> 				Janina Sajka, Director
> 				Technology Research and Development
> 				Governmental Relations Group
> 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> 
> Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
> 
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
> 
> 
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Re: images

[Janina Sajka]

On Sat, 2 Mar 2002, Gregory Nowak wrote:

> Try dd under gnu/linux. The only thing it lacks is the ability to save and restore images over a network.

Huh? It works for me.

> Greg
> 
> 
> On Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 12:46:29AM -0500, Angelo Sonnesso wrote:
> > Is there anything like imagecast that will run under Linux?
> > What makes this program better than ghost.
> > Both appear to have the same command line structure.
> > They don't speak, so you don't know what is going on.
> > I guess I would like to get one of these programs, so I really would like to
> > know.
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Thomas Ward" <tward@bright.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 4:49 PM
> > Subject: Re: images
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > > Hi. Sorry this message is so late.
> > > Anyway, I highly suggest using a program called Image Cast.Iyt is a vary
> > > good program, and it is one of the best I've seen.
> > > I will also recommend staying away from Norton Ghost. It is a waist of
> > > your money.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, 24 Feb 2002, Alex Snow wrote:
> > >
> > > > What dos/windows software can I use to make disk images with?
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
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> 
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				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Re: Options for buying a computer.

[Janina Sajka]

Well, that depends on how good the skinner is with the knife.

On Sat, 2 Mar 2002, Gregory Nowak wrote:

> Ah, I see, cute. Any indication now on how long till the cat is skinned?
> How long did skinning some of the other cats usually take?
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 11:28:15AM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > There's more than one way to skin a cat.
> > 
> > On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> > 
> > > Why the emphases? Did they finally agree to release the specs?
> > > Greg
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 06:55:56PM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > > > Well, usb to serial has worked for some folks and not for others, but that 
> > > > does suggest some hope. Tripletalk is not supported yet, emphasis on yet.
> > > > 
> > > > On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Amanda Lee wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Ooo ahoooooo! you're right! damn! no lousy Serial port unless can find a
> > > > > converter from USB to Serial for the Transport.  O'well, guess I have to buy
> > > > > a Tripple Talk aaaarrrrrrggggggg!  As you can see, I'm reading backwards!
> > > > > makes life more interesting!
> > > > > 
> > > > > Amanda Lee
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> > > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 5:32 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Options for buying a computer.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > So, you're ready for linux at last? Cool.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Be sure to get the latest revs at
> > > > > http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/redhat/images. What we did last
> > > > > spring at Charley's is old old news by now. Let me know if you need disks.
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Amanda Lee wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > http://www.compusa.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > they have a number of refurbished computers pretty cheap with warranty
> > > > > > as well as most popular brands of desktop and notebook.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I just bought a Fujitsu Notebook two days ago from Best Buy.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Although I did a lot of looking online on:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.bestbuy.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I did purchase my Notebook from a local store but I already knew what I
> > > > > > wanted and just went in and asked them to bring the one I had on hold to
> > > > > > the Customer Service area.  It was very helpful to go online because the
> > > > > > kind of assistance one finds in a retail store, even Comp USA and Circuit
> > > > > > City and places that are supposed to be selling these items, is not worth
> > > > > > one's frustration and time of day!  I asked for a PCMCIA N Wireless
> > > > > > Network card for my Notebook.  What did he show up with?  A PCI card and
> > > > > > they didn't have the one for the NOtebook or he didn't have the
> > > > > > wherewithal to look!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I also did a bit of research on the various vendor sites for Hewlett
> > > > > > Packard, Fujitsu and others.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Another place who has a lot of refurbished and discontinued models is:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.consumerdepot.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can always just use a favorite Search Engine and find lots of other info
> > > > > > out there as well as places to buy.  What I've indicated
> > > > > > are definitely
> > > > > > not all available choices.  I had certain constraints like an 18 months at
> > > > > > zero percent interest coupon for Best Buy which best suited my own budget
> > > > > > <smile>!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Amanda Lee
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Alexandria, VA
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, Ron Marriage wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Wal-Mart now sells computers online, without any OS.
> > > > > > > Prices start at $399 for 1 Ghz models.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ron
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Anna Schneider wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi everyone.  If my message isn't very clear, I appologize ahead of
> > > > > time.
> > > > > > > > I've had a very frustrating day in computer research lnd.  Even
> > > > > knowing
> > > > > > > > that Linux isn't mainstream, I didn't know things would be this
> > > > > difficult,
> > > > > > > > so if I'm a bit hard to follow, that's why.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What I want to know is, short of building my own computer, are there
> > > > > any
> > > > > > > > options for either buying a computer with Linux already installed or
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > > buying a computer with no operating system on it to begin with?  Dell
> > > > > will
> > > > > > > > only install on business systems, and Compaq's web site claims that
> > > > > > > > several versions of Linux are among the operating systems they offer,
> > > > > but
> > > > > > > > when I called the number listed, I didn't get any people, I only got
> > > > > "You
> > > > > > > > live in Seattle Washington, Compaq computers are available at these
> > > > > > > > locations."  Mutter mutter mutter.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > ===
> > > > > > > Ron Marriage
> > > > > > > Home Page http://www.seidata.com/~marriage/
> > > > > > > Blind Links http://www.seidata.com/~marriage/rblind.html
> > > > > > > Linux  http://www.seidata.com/~seilug/
> > > > > > > Email  mailto:marriage@seidata.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Win door prizes!  Meet old and new friends!
> > > > > > > See the latest technology and gadgets for your everyday
> > > > > > > living!
> > > > > > > Learn how the NFB is helping to knock down barriers
> > > > > > > to make your life better!
> > > > > > > All this and more at the 2002 NFB National Convention
> > > > > > > July 3 - 9 -- for details go to: http://www.nfbk.org
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > --
> > > > > 
> > > > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > > > Technology Research and Development
> > > > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > > > > 
> > > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > > > > 
> > > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > > > http://www.openebook.org
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > -- 
> > > > 	
> > > > 				Janina Sajka, Director
> > > > 				Technology Research and Development
> > > > 				Governmental Relations Group
> > > > 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > > > 
> > > > Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > > > 
> > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > > http://www.openebook.org
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > 	
> > 				Janina Sajka, Director
> > 				Technology Research and Development
> > 				Governmental Relations Group
> > 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > 
> > Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > 
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
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				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Re: images

[Gregory Nowak]

How about if there's no os on a machine that's hooked up to a network? Norton ghost at least has netbios capibilities if you've got DOS drivers for your lan card.
Greg


On Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 12:45:58PM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Mar 2002, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> 
> > Try dd under gnu/linux. The only thing it lacks is the ability to save and restore images over a network.
> 
> Huh? It works for me.
> 
> > Greg
> > 
> > 
> > On Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 12:46:29AM -0500, Angelo Sonnesso wrote:
> > > Is there anything like imagecast that will run under Linux?
> > > What makes this program better than ghost.
> > > Both appear to have the same command line structure.
> > > They don't speak, so you don't know what is going on.
> > > I guess I would like to get one of these programs, so I really would like to
> > > know.
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Thomas Ward" <tward@bright.net>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 4:49 PM
> > > Subject: Re: images
> > > 
> > > 
> > > >
> > > > Hi. Sorry this message is so late.
> > > > Anyway, I highly suggest using a program called Image Cast.Iyt is a vary
> > > > good program, and it is one of the best I've seen.
> > > > I will also recommend staying away from Norton Ghost. It is a waist of
> > > > your money.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, 24 Feb 2002, Alex Snow wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > What dos/windows software can I use to make disk images with?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> 
> -- 
> 	
> 				Janina Sajka, Director
> 				Technology Research and Development
> 				Governmental Relations Group
> 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> 
> Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
> 
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: images

[Janina Sajka]

Duh? Uh?

On Sat, 2 Mar 2002, Gregory Nowak wrote:

> How about if there's no os on a machine that's hooked up to a network? Norton ghost at least has netbios capibilities if you've got DOS drivers for your lan card.
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 12:45:58PM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > On Sat, 2 Mar 2002, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> > 
> > > Try dd under gnu/linux. The only thing it lacks is the ability to save and restore images over a network.
> > 
> > Huh? It works for me.
> > 
> > > Greg
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 12:46:29AM -0500, Angelo Sonnesso wrote:
> > > > Is there anything like imagecast that will run under Linux?
> > > > What makes this program better than ghost.
> > > > Both appear to have the same command line structure.
> > > > They don't speak, so you don't know what is going on.
> > > > I guess I would like to get one of these programs, so I really would like to
> > > > know.
> > > > 
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Thomas Ward" <tward@bright.net>
> > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 4:49 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: images
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi. Sorry this message is so late.
> > > > > Anyway, I highly suggest using a program called Image Cast.Iyt is a vary
> > > > > good program, and it is one of the best I've seen.
> > > > > I will also recommend staying away from Norton Ghost. It is a waist of
> > > > > your money.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, 24 Feb 2002, Alex Snow wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > What dos/windows software can I use to make disk images with?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > 	
> > 				Janina Sajka, Director
> > 				Technology Research and Development
> > 				Governmental Relations Group
> > 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > 
> > Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > 
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

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				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Redhat 7.2 and Re: Options for buying a computer.

[Amanda Lee]

Great, I'll look into this as planning to go for Redhat 7.2

When was it last updated?  I did get some images a few weeks ago but guess
worth it to refresh huh and burn new CDS???

Amanda



----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Ward" <tward@bright.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: Options for buying a computer.


Hi, Amanda. Just a note here. the Belkin USB to serial conversion works well
with Speakup. I've only gotten this to work well on Red Hat 7.2 so far.
However, I have managed to get my Dectalk Express to run via USB so USB is
not the nightmare everyone thinks it is.

----- Original Message -----
From: Amanda Lee <amanda@shellworld.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: Options for buying a computer.


> Ooo ahoooooo! you're right! damn! no lousy Serial port unless can find a
> converter from USB to Serial for the Transport.  O'well, guess I have to
buy
> a Tripple Talk aaaarrrrrrggggggg!  As you can see, I'm reading backwards!
> makes life more interesting!
>
> Amanda Lee
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 5:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Options for buying a computer.
>
>
> So, you're ready for linux at last? Cool.
>
> Be sure to get the latest revs at
> http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/redhat/images. What we did last
> spring at Charley's is old old news by now. Let me know if you need disks.
>
> On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Amanda Lee wrote:
>
> > http://www.compusa.com
> >
> > they have a number of refurbished computers pretty cheap with warranty
> > as well as most popular brands of desktop and notebook.
> >
> > I just bought a Fujitsu Notebook two days ago from Best Buy.
> >
> > Although I did a lot of looking online on:
> >
> > http://www.bestbuy.com
> >
> > I did purchase my Notebook from a local store but I already knew what I
> > wanted and just went in and asked them to bring the one I had on hold to
> > the Customer Service area.  It was very helpful to go online because the
> > kind of assistance one finds in a retail store, even Comp USA and
Circuit
> > City and places that are supposed to be selling these items, is not
worth
> > one's frustration and time of day!  I asked for a PCMCIA N Wireless
> > Network card for my Notebook.  What did he show up with?  A PCI card and
> > they didn't have the one for the NOtebook or he didn't have the
> > wherewithal to look!
> >
> > I also did a bit of research on the various vendor sites for Hewlett
> > Packard, Fujitsu and others.
> >
> > Another place who has a lot of refurbished and discontinued models is:
> >
> > http://www.consumerdepot.com
> >
> > Can always just use a favorite Search Engine and find lots of other info
> > out there as well as places to buy.  What I've indicated
> > are definitely
> > not all available choices.  I had certain constraints like an 18 months
at
> > zero percent interest coupon for Best Buy which best suited my own
budget
> > <smile>!
> >
> >
> > Amanda Lee
> >
> > Alexandria, VA
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, Ron Marriage wrote:
> >
> > > Wal-Mart now sells computers online, without any OS.
> > > Prices start at $399 for 1 Ghz models.
> > >
> > > Ron
> > >
> > >
> > > Anna Schneider wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi everyone.  If my message isn't very clear, I appologize ahead of
> time.
> > > > I've had a very frustrating day in computer research lnd.  Even
> knowing
> > > > that Linux isn't mainstream, I didn't know things would be this
> difficult,
> > > > so if I'm a bit hard to follow, that's why.
> > > >
> > > > What I want to know is, short of building my own computer, are there
> any
> > > > options for either buying a computer with Linux already installed or
> for
> > > > buying a computer with no operating system on it to begin with?
Dell
> will
> > > > only install on business systems, and Compaq's web site claims that
> > > > several versions of Linux are among the operating systems they
offer,
> but
> > > > when I called the number listed, I didn't get any people, I only got
> "You
> > > > live in Seattle Washington, Compaq computers are available at these
> > > > locations."  Mutter mutter mutter.
> > >
> > > --
> > > ===
> > > Ron Marriage
> > > Home Page http://www.seidata.com/~marriage/
> > > Blind Links http://www.seidata.com/~marriage/rblind.html
> > > Linux  http://www.seidata.com/~seilug/
> > > Email  mailto:marriage@seidata.com
> > >
> > > Win door prizes!  Meet old and new friends!
> > > See the latest technology and gadgets for your everyday
> > > living!
> > > Learn how the NFB is helping to knock down barriers
> > > to make your life better!
> > > All this and more at the 2002 NFB National Convention
> > > July 3 - 9 -- for details go to: http://www.nfbk.org
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>
>
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Re: Options for buying a computer.

[Amanda Lee]

Understand about your thoughts about not wanting to buy another computer.
Hey! this is why I bought as much as I could afford and hope it's all I need
with the exception of having to changeout various peripherals form time to
time.  My Compaq desktop is 1GHZ with 128MB and 40Gigs.  Plan to max out the
RAM that that's it for awhile.
I needed something portable as may be going for a Masters in
Telecommunications Engineering in the Fall so wanted to be ready to roll.
I'll put Linux on there and may even another WindBlows version.

Amanda

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: Options for buying a computer.


I won't buy a computer anymore. The last machine I baught was a compaq 133
back in 96.  It was fast then and had a crap load of ram, but now it is the
slowest thing.  The machine I'm on now's got 128 megs of ram and a 1 ghz AMD
Chip.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Amanda Lee" <amanda@shellworld.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: Options for buying a computer.


> Hahahaha! o'well I'm in Janina's penalty box!  I still have this other
> compaq but haven't pulled off all the stuff I need off of there so I can
> nuke down the HD.  <grinn!>
>
> Amanda Lee
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 5:33 PM
> Subject: Re: Options for buying a computer.
>
>
> Well, I take it back. No speakup for you yet.
>
> On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Amanda Lee wrote:
>
> > Get into the frame of mind of thinking about a USB port as now being the
> > most universal port going forward until something else comes along to
> > trump it.  My NOtebook has 4 <g>!  No serial port; 1 parallel port and
> > ah'yes! a Firewire Port ...  Modems, keyboards, Speech Synthesizers,
> > Network Interfaces, Scanners, Printers, most any peripheral out there
> > these days is available in a USB life form! <g>!
> >
> > Amanda Lee
> >
> > Alexandria, VA
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, Steve Holmes wrote:
> >
> > > You might be better off dealing with a local computer shop in your
area
> > > who might be willing to sell you a computer to your specifications
with
> no
> > > preinstalled anything.  Then you can stipulate that you want at least
> one
> > > serial port, ISA slots or whatever.  Obviously if you are using new
> > > hardware, new network cards, SCSI host adaptors, etc., you might not
> need
> > > ISA slots but you probably need one or more serial ports for synth and
> > > modem.  A lot of these local computer shops are quite reasonable and
> > > certainly more flexible than a mail order place.  The problem with a
lot
> > > of the big stores and such, they preinstall operating systems and
> software
> > > and there are sometimes warantee implications at stake if the machine
is
> > > reformatted with your own OS.  Just another thing to wrinkle up your
> > > research <sigh>.
> > >
> > > If top of the line performance isn't too critical to you, a used
machine
> > > might not be a bad bet either.  Linux doesn't require near the
resources
> > > that winblows does thus there's often a lot of people selling off
their
> > > older pentiums like a 133 or 200 and that will run linux perfectly!
> > >
> > > On Mon, 25 Feb 2002, Anna Schneider wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi everyone.  If my message isn't very clear, I appologize ahead of
> time.
> > > > I've had a very frustrating day in computer research lnd.  Even
> knowing
> > > > that Linux isn't mainstream, I didn't know things would be this
> difficult,
> > > > so if I'm a bit hard to follow, that's why.
> > > >
> > > > What I want to know is, short of building my own computer, are there
> any
> > > > options for either buying a computer with Linux already installed or
> for
> > > > buying a computer with no operating system on it to begin with?
Dell
> will
> > > > only install on business systems, and Compaq's web site claims that
> > > > several versions of Linux are among the operating systems they
offer,
> but
> > > > when I called the number listed, I didn't get any people, I only got
> "You
> > > > live in Seattle Washington, Compaq computers are available at these
> > > > locations."  Mutter mutter mutter.
> > > >
> > > > And while I'm here I'll ask a couple of other things.  Is there a
list
> > > > anywhere of scsi scanners currently in production complete with
> features
> > > > and prices?
> > > >
> > > > And I've seen the occasional mention of a program called Viavoice on
> here?
> > > > Is this a screen reader for Linux, and if so, what are its
positives,
> > > > negatives, and how does it compare to Speak Up?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks much.
> > > >
> > > > Anna
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>


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Re: Options for buying a computer.

[Amanda Lee]

Now! listen! I don't  wanna hear nothin' about cat skinnin'! on here!

I love 'em kitties! and ain' gonna tolerate no kittycat abuse round here!
<grinn!>

Amanda Lee

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregory Nowak" <gnowak1@uic.edu>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: Options for buying a computer.


Ah, I see, cute. Any indication now on how long till the cat is skinned?
How long did skinning some of the other cats usually take?
Greg


On Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 11:28:15AM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> There's more than one way to skin a cat.
>
> On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Gregory Nowak wrote:
>
> > Why the emphases? Did they finally agree to release the specs?
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 06:55:56PM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > > Well, usb to serial has worked for some folks and not for others, but
that
> > > does suggest some hope. Tripletalk is not supported yet, emphasis on
yet.
> > >
> > > On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Amanda Lee wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ooo ahoooooo! you're right! damn! no lousy Serial port unless can
find a
> > > > converter from USB to Serial for the Transport.  O'well, guess I
have to buy
> > > > a Tripple Talk aaaarrrrrrggggggg!  As you can see, I'm reading
backwards!
> > > > makes life more interesting!
> > > >
> > > > Amanda Lee
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 5:32 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Options for buying a computer.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > So, you're ready for linux at last? Cool.
> > > >
> > > > Be sure to get the latest revs at
> > > > http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/redhat/images. What we did
last
> > > > spring at Charley's is old old news by now. Let me know if you need
disks.
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Amanda Lee wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > http://www.compusa.com
> > > > >
> > > > > they have a number of refurbished computers pretty cheap with
warranty
> > > > > as well as most popular brands of desktop and notebook.
> > > > >
> > > > > I just bought a Fujitsu Notebook two days ago from Best Buy.
> > > > >
> > > > > Although I did a lot of looking online on:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.bestbuy.com
> > > > >
> > > > > I did purchase my Notebook from a local store but I already knew
what I
> > > > > wanted and just went in and asked them to bring the one I had on
hold to
> > > > > the Customer Service area.  It was very helpful to go online
because the
> > > > > kind of assistance one finds in a retail store, even Comp USA and
Circuit
> > > > > City and places that are supposed to be selling these items, is
not worth
> > > > > one's frustration and time of day!  I asked for a PCMCIA N
Wireless
> > > > > Network card for my Notebook.  What did he show up with?  A PCI
card and
> > > > > they didn't have the one for the NOtebook or he didn't have the
> > > > > wherewithal to look!
> > > > >
> > > > > I also did a bit of research on the various vendor sites for
Hewlett
> > > > > Packard, Fujitsu and others.
> > > > >
> > > > > Another place who has a lot of refurbished and discontinued models
is:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.consumerdepot.com
> > > > >
> > > > > Can always just use a favorite Search Engine and find lots of
other info
> > > > > out there as well as places to buy.  What I've indicated
> > > > > are definitely
> > > > > not all available choices.  I had certain constraints like an 18
months at
> > > > > zero percent interest coupon for Best Buy which best suited my own
budget
> > > > > <smile>!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Amanda Lee
> > > > >
> > > > > Alexandria, VA
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, Ron Marriage wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Wal-Mart now sells computers online, without any OS.
> > > > > > Prices start at $399 for 1 Ghz models.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ron
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anna Schneider wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi everyone.  If my message isn't very clear, I appologize
ahead of
> > > > time.
> > > > > > > I've had a very frustrating day in computer research lnd.
Even
> > > > knowing
> > > > > > > that Linux isn't mainstream, I didn't know things would be
this
> > > > difficult,
> > > > > > > so if I'm a bit hard to follow, that's why.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What I want to know is, short of building my own computer, are
there
> > > > any
> > > > > > > options for either buying a computer with Linux already
installed or
> > > > for
> > > > > > > buying a computer with no operating system on it to begin
with?  Dell
> > > > will
> > > > > > > only install on business systems, and Compaq's web site claims
that
> > > > > > > several versions of Linux are among the operating systems they
offer,
> > > > but
> > > > > > > when I called the number listed, I didn't get any people, I
only got
> > > > "You
> > > > > > > live in Seattle Washington, Compaq computers are available at
these
> > > > > > > locations."  Mutter mutter mutter.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > ===
> > > > > > Ron Marriage
> > > > > > Home Page http://www.seidata.com/~marriage/
> > > > > > Blind Links http://www.seidata.com/~marriage/rblind.html
> > > > > > Linux  http://www.seidata.com/~seilug/
> > > > > > Email  mailto:marriage@seidata.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Win door prizes!  Meet old and new friends!
> > > > > > See the latest technology and gadgets for your everyday
> > > > > > living!
> > > > > > Learn how the NFB is helping to knock down barriers
> > > > > > to make your life better!
> > > > > > All this and more at the 2002 NFB National Convention
> > > > > > July 3 - 9 -- for details go to: http://www.nfbk.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > > Technology Research and Development
> > > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > > >
> > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > > >
> > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > > http://www.openebook.org
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > Technology Research and Development
> > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > >
> > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > >
> > > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > http://www.openebook.org
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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Re: Options for buying a computer.

[Alex Snow]

One thing I don't like about compaqs is you cant upgrade them.  I got one
with only 2 PCI slots.  One of my 486s has 5 isa slots, three filled with
network card, sound, and parrellell port.  They don't make computers like
they used to!

Re: Options for buying a computer.

[Amanda Lee]

Yup agreed but at the time, was a lot of bang for my buck although now the
same configuration would cost less!

I do have a box with a 500MHZ motherboard and it has isa and pci slots both
and lots of room in it.  Guess I could turn that into a Linux box but bought
it for beta work.

Amanda Lee

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: Options for buying a computer.


One thing I don't like about compaqs is you cant upgrade them.  I got one
with only 2 PCI slots.  One of my 486s has 5 isa slots, three filled with
network card, sound, and parrellell port.  They don't make computers like
they used to!


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Re: Options for buying a computer.

[Chris Peterson]

That's right.  They include I/O on the motherboard, as well as network,
sometimes, sound, modem...etc.

Of course, if you have the experience to build your own, there are boards
out there that have more PCI slots, although isa is pretty rare these days
which is unfortunate if you need to use an isa synth or something.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: Options for buying a computer.


> One thing I don't like about compaqs is you cant upgrade them.  I got one
> with only 2 PCI slots.  One of my 486s has 5 isa slots, three filled with
> network card, sound, and parrellell port.  They don't make computers like
> they used to!
>
>
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>
>

Re: Redhat 7.2 and Re: Options for buying a computer.

[Janina Sajka]

Probably worth burning images just before installing. Updates are 
frequent.

Also, you can always install over the net especially as you have a fast 
connection.

On Sat, 2 Mar 2002, Amanda Lee wrote:

> Great, I'll look into this as planning to go for Redhat 7.2
> 
> When was it last updated?  I did get some images a few weeks ago but guess
> worth it to refresh huh and burn new CDS???
> 
> Amanda
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Thomas Ward" <tward@bright.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 8:47 AM
> Subject: Re: Options for buying a computer.
> 
> 
> Hi, Amanda. Just a note here. the Belkin USB to serial conversion works well
> with Speakup. I've only gotten this to work well on Red Hat 7.2 so far.
> However, I have managed to get my Dectalk Express to run via USB so USB is
> not the nightmare everyone thinks it is.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Amanda Lee <amanda@shellworld.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 6:14 PM
> Subject: Re: Options for buying a computer.
> 
> 
> > Ooo ahoooooo! you're right! damn! no lousy Serial port unless can find a
> > converter from USB to Serial for the Transport.  O'well, guess I have to
> buy
> > a Tripple Talk aaaarrrrrrggggggg!  As you can see, I'm reading backwards!
> > makes life more interesting!
> >
> > Amanda Lee
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 5:32 PM
> > Subject: Re: Options for buying a computer.
> >
> >
> > So, you're ready for linux at last? Cool.
> >
> > Be sure to get the latest revs at
> > http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/redhat/images. What we did last
> > spring at Charley's is old old news by now. Let me know if you need disks.
> >
> > On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Amanda Lee wrote:
> >
> > > http://www.compusa.com
> > >
> > > they have a number of refurbished computers pretty cheap with warranty
> > > as well as most popular brands of desktop and notebook.
> > >
> > > I just bought a Fujitsu Notebook two days ago from Best Buy.
> > >
> > > Although I did a lot of looking online on:
> > >
> > > http://www.bestbuy.com
> > >
> > > I did purchase my Notebook from a local store but I already knew what I
> > > wanted and just went in and asked them to bring the one I had on hold to
> > > the Customer Service area.  It was very helpful to go online because the
> > > kind of assistance one finds in a retail store, even Comp USA and
> Circuit
> > > City and places that are supposed to be selling these items, is not
> worth
> > > one's frustration and time of day!  I asked for a PCMCIA N Wireless
> > > Network card for my Notebook.  What did he show up with?  A PCI card and
> > > they didn't have the one for the NOtebook or he didn't have the
> > > wherewithal to look!
> > >
> > > I also did a bit of research on the various vendor sites for Hewlett
> > > Packard, Fujitsu and others.
> > >
> > > Another place who has a lot of refurbished and discontinued models is:
> > >
> > > http://www.consumerdepot.com
> > >
> > > Can always just use a favorite Search Engine and find lots of other info
> > > out there as well as places to buy.  What I've indicated
> > > are definitely
> > > not all available choices.  I had certain constraints like an 18 months
> at
> > > zero percent interest coupon for Best Buy which best suited my own
> budget
> > > <smile>!
> > >
> > >
> > > Amanda Lee
> > >
> > > Alexandria, VA
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, Ron Marriage wrote:
> > >
> > > > Wal-Mart now sells computers online, without any OS.
> > > > Prices start at $399 for 1 Ghz models.
> > > >
> > > > Ron
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Anna Schneider wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi everyone.  If my message isn't very clear, I appologize ahead of
> > time.
> > > > > I've had a very frustrating day in computer research lnd.  Even
> > knowing
> > > > > that Linux isn't mainstream, I didn't know things would be this
> > difficult,
> > > > > so if I'm a bit hard to follow, that's why.
> > > > >
> > > > > What I want to know is, short of building my own computer, are there
> > any
> > > > > options for either buying a computer with Linux already installed or
> > for
> > > > > buying a computer with no operating system on it to begin with?
> Dell
> > will
> > > > > only install on business systems, and Compaq's web site claims that
> > > > > several versions of Linux are among the operating systems they
> offer,
> > but
> > > > > when I called the number listed, I didn't get any people, I only got
> > "You
> > > > > live in Seattle Washington, Compaq computers are available at these
> > > > > locations."  Mutter mutter mutter.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > ===
> > > > Ron Marriage
> > > > Home Page http://www.seidata.com/~marriage/
> > > > Blind Links http://www.seidata.com/~marriage/rblind.html
> > > > Linux  http://www.seidata.com/~seilug/
> > > > Email  mailto:marriage@seidata.com
> > > >
> > > > Win door prizes!  Meet old and new friends!
> > > > See the latest technology and gadgets for your everyday
> > > > living!
> > > > Learn how the NFB is helping to knock down barriers
> > > > to make your life better!
> > > > All this and more at the 2002 NFB National Convention
> > > > July 3 - 9 -- for details go to: http://www.nfbk.org
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Re: Options for buying a computer.

[Gregory Nowak]

Hey, don't blame me. Janina is the one that chose to use that particular metaphor (grin).
Greg


On Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 04:18:20PM -0500, Amanda Lee wrote:
> Now! listen! I don't  wanna hear nothin' about cat skinnin'! on here!
> 
> I love 'em kitties! and ain' gonna tolerate no kittycat abuse round here!
> <grinn!>
> 
> Amanda Lee
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gregory Nowak" <gnowak1@uic.edu>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 12:12 PM
> Subject: Re: Options for buying a computer.
> 
> 
> Ah, I see, cute. Any indication now on how long till the cat is skinned?
> How long did skinning some of the other cats usually take?
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 11:28:15AM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > There's more than one way to skin a cat.
> >
> > On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> >
> > > Why the emphases? Did they finally agree to release the specs?
> > > Greg
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 06:55:56PM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > > > Well, usb to serial has worked for some folks and not for others, but
> that
> > > > does suggest some hope. Tripletalk is not supported yet, emphasis on
> yet.
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Amanda Lee wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Ooo ahoooooo! you're right! damn! no lousy Serial port unless can
> find a
> > > > > converter from USB to Serial for the Transport.  O'well, guess I
> have to buy
> > > > > a Tripple Talk aaaarrrrrrggggggg!  As you can see, I'm reading
> backwards!
> > > > > makes life more interesting!
> > > > >
> > > > > Amanda Lee
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> > > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 5:32 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Options for buying a computer.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > So, you're ready for linux at last? Cool.
> > > > >
> > > > > Be sure to get the latest revs at
> > > > > http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/redhat/images. What we did
> last
> > > > > spring at Charley's is old old news by now. Let me know if you need
> disks.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Amanda Lee wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.compusa.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > they have a number of refurbished computers pretty cheap with
> warranty
> > > > > > as well as most popular brands of desktop and notebook.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I just bought a Fujitsu Notebook two days ago from Best Buy.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Although I did a lot of looking online on:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.bestbuy.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I did purchase my Notebook from a local store but I already knew
> what I
> > > > > > wanted and just went in and asked them to bring the one I had on
> hold to
> > > > > > the Customer Service area.  It was very helpful to go online
> because the
> > > > > > kind of assistance one finds in a retail store, even Comp USA and
> Circuit
> > > > > > City and places that are supposed to be selling these items, is
> not worth
> > > > > > one's frustration and time of day!  I asked for a PCMCIA N
> Wireless
> > > > > > Network card for my Notebook.  What did he show up with?  A PCI
> card and
> > > > > > they didn't have the one for the NOtebook or he didn't have the
> > > > > > wherewithal to look!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I also did a bit of research on the various vendor sites for
> Hewlett
> > > > > > Packard, Fujitsu and others.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Another place who has a lot of refurbished and discontinued models
> is:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.consumerdepot.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can always just use a favorite Search Engine and find lots of
> other info
> > > > > > out there as well as places to buy.  What I've indicated
> > > > > > are definitely
> > > > > > not all available choices.  I had certain constraints like an 18
> months at
> > > > > > zero percent interest coupon for Best Buy which best suited my own
> budget
> > > > > > <smile>!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Amanda Lee
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Alexandria, VA
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, Ron Marriage wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Wal-Mart now sells computers online, without any OS.
> > > > > > > Prices start at $399 for 1 Ghz models.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ron
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Anna Schneider wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi everyone.  If my message isn't very clear, I appologize
> ahead of
> > > > > time.
> > > > > > > > I've had a very frustrating day in computer research lnd.
> Even
> > > > > knowing
> > > > > > > > that Linux isn't mainstream, I didn't know things would be
> this
> > > > > difficult,
> > > > > > > > so if I'm a bit hard to follow, that's why.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What I want to know is, short of building my own computer, are
> there
> > > > > any
> > > > > > > > options for either buying a computer with Linux already
> installed or
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > > buying a computer with no operating system on it to begin
> with?  Dell
> > > > > will
> > > > > > > > only install on business systems, and Compaq's web site claims
> that
> > > > > > > > several versions of Linux are among the operating systems they
> offer,
> > > > > but
> > > > > > > > when I called the number listed, I didn't get any people, I
> only got
> > > > > "You
> > > > > > > > live in Seattle Washington, Compaq computers are available at
> these
> > > > > > > > locations."  Mutter mutter mutter.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > ===
> > > > > > > Ron Marriage
> > > > > > > Home Page http://www.seidata.com/~marriage/
> > > > > > > Blind Links http://www.seidata.com/~marriage/rblind.html
> > > > > > > Linux  http://www.seidata.com/~seilug/
> > > > > > > Email  mailto:marriage@seidata.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Win door prizes!  Meet old and new friends!
> > > > > > > See the latest technology and gadgets for your everyday
> > > > > > > living!
> > > > > > > Learn how the NFB is helping to knock down barriers
> > > > > > > to make your life better!
> > > > > > > All this and more at the 2002 NFB National Convention
> > > > > > > July 3 - 9 -- for details go to: http://www.nfbk.org
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > > > Technology Research and Development
> > > > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > > > >
> > > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > > > >
> > > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > > > http://www.openebook.org
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > > Technology Research and Development
> > > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > > >
> > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > > >
> > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > > http://www.openebook.org
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Options for buying a computer.

[Amanda Lee]

Yaa well you looked like you needed that shuppin! hahahahahahaha!

Amanda Lee

Here we go again with off topic! I said I"d stay away from that!


----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregory Nowak" <gnowak1@uic.edu>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: Options for buying a computer.


Hey, don't blame me. Janina is the one that chose to use that particular
metaphor (grin).
Greg


On Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 04:18:20PM -0500, Amanda Lee wrote:
> Now! listen! I don't  wanna hear nothin' about cat skinnin'! on here!
>
> I love 'em kitties! and ain' gonna tolerate no kittycat abuse round here!
> <grinn!>
>
> Amanda Lee
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gregory Nowak" <gnowak1@uic.edu>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 12:12 PM
> Subject: Re: Options for buying a computer.
>
>
> Ah, I see, cute. Any indication now on how long till the cat is skinned?
> How long did skinning some of the other cats usually take?
> Greg
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 11:28:15AM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > There's more than one way to skin a cat.
> >
> > On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> >
> > > Why the emphases? Did they finally agree to release the specs?
> > > Greg
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 06:55:56PM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > > > Well, usb to serial has worked for some folks and not for others,
but
> that
> > > > does suggest some hope. Tripletalk is not supported yet, emphasis on
> yet.
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Amanda Lee wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Ooo ahoooooo! you're right! damn! no lousy Serial port unless can
> find a
> > > > > converter from USB to Serial for the Transport.  O'well, guess I
> have to buy
> > > > > a Tripple Talk aaaarrrrrrggggggg!  As you can see, I'm reading
> backwards!
> > > > > makes life more interesting!
> > > > >
> > > > > Amanda Lee
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> > > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 5:32 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Options for buying a computer.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > So, you're ready for linux at last? Cool.
> > > > >
> > > > > Be sure to get the latest revs at
> > > > > http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/redhat/images. What we did
> last
> > > > > spring at Charley's is old old news by now. Let me know if you
need
> disks.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Amanda Lee wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.compusa.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > they have a number of refurbished computers pretty cheap with
> warranty
> > > > > > as well as most popular brands of desktop and notebook.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I just bought a Fujitsu Notebook two days ago from Best Buy.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Although I did a lot of looking online on:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.bestbuy.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I did purchase my Notebook from a local store but I already knew
> what I
> > > > > > wanted and just went in and asked them to bring the one I had on
> hold to
> > > > > > the Customer Service area.  It was very helpful to go online
> because the
> > > > > > kind of assistance one finds in a retail store, even Comp USA
and
> Circuit
> > > > > > City and places that are supposed to be selling these items, is
> not worth
> > > > > > one's frustration and time of day!  I asked for a PCMCIA N
> Wireless
> > > > > > Network card for my Notebook.  What did he show up with?  A PCI
> card and
> > > > > > they didn't have the one for the NOtebook or he didn't have the
> > > > > > wherewithal to look!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I also did a bit of research on the various vendor sites for
> Hewlett
> > > > > > Packard, Fujitsu and others.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Another place who has a lot of refurbished and discontinued
models
> is:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.consumerdepot.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can always just use a favorite Search Engine and find lots of
> other info
> > > > > > out there as well as places to buy.  What I've indicated
> > > > > > are definitely
> > > > > > not all available choices.  I had certain constraints like an 18
> months at
> > > > > > zero percent interest coupon for Best Buy which best suited my
own
> budget
> > > > > > <smile>!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Amanda Lee
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Alexandria, VA
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, Ron Marriage wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Wal-Mart now sells computers online, without any OS.
> > > > > > > Prices start at $399 for 1 Ghz models.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ron
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Anna Schneider wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi everyone.  If my message isn't very clear, I appologize
> ahead of
> > > > > time.
> > > > > > > > I've had a very frustrating day in computer research lnd.
> Even
> > > > > knowing
> > > > > > > > that Linux isn't mainstream, I didn't know things would be
> this
> > > > > difficult,
> > > > > > > > so if I'm a bit hard to follow, that's why.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What I want to know is, short of building my own computer,
are
> there
> > > > > any
> > > > > > > > options for either buying a computer with Linux already
> installed or
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > > buying a computer with no operating system on it to begin
> with?  Dell
> > > > > will
> > > > > > > > only install on business systems, and Compaq's web site
claims
> that
> > > > > > > > several versions of Linux are among the operating systems
they
> offer,
> > > > > but
> > > > > > > > when I called the number listed, I didn't get any people, I
> only got
> > > > > "You
> > > > > > > > live in Seattle Washington, Compaq computers are available
at
> these
> > > > > > > > locations."  Mutter mutter mutter.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > ===
> > > > > > > Ron Marriage
> > > > > > > Home Page http://www.seidata.com/~marriage/
> > > > > > > Blind Links http://www.seidata.com/~marriage/rblind.html
> > > > > > > Linux  http://www.seidata.com/~seilug/
> > > > > > > Email  mailto:marriage@seidata.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Win door prizes!  Meet old and new friends!
> > > > > > > See the latest technology and gadgets for your everyday
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> > > > >
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> > > > >
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> > > > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
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> > > > >
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> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
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> > > > >
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> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > > Technology Research and Development
> > > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > > >
> > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > > >
> > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > > http://www.openebook.org
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Installing Speakup separate from Linux.

[Anna Schneider]

Okay, so the place i'm buying my computer from will install a GPL version 
of Red Hat which I like because they will test it with the CD Writer and 
the video and sound cards, and their version includes a driver for the HP 
1200 laser jet which I can have regardless of whether or not I buy the 
printer from them.  So I'm going to have to install Speak Up later on my 
own.

Now, if I just want to install Speak Up without a distribution, do I use 
the tar.gc file of it and follow the instruction under installation?  This 
was in the index of various readme and key map files on the Speakup web 
page.

And when I talk to the people at Pogo Linux, would I want to make sure 
that they choose the installation options for their version of Red Hat 
that the Speakup how to recommends, such as choosing lilo and the custom 
installation and text of course and so on.  I've got it all written down.  
I'm assuming that this will make less trouble for me later?

I will need help installing Speakup if I go this route, correct?

And lastly, how do I know which sireal port gets which designation?

Thanks much.  I'm ordering my computer tomorrow. Very very excited.

Anna

Re: Installing Speakup separate from Linux.

[Thomas Ward]

Hi, Anna. You have a couple of options. First off you can get the speakup
enabled rpms of the Red Hat kernel, modules, etc, and install that over top
of the existing kernel in your installation.
Second, choice is to download the lates 2.4.17 kernel tree, patch it with
speakup, and compile from source.
As for boot loader it doesn't really matter. Although I suggest grub. Grub
is a good boot loader, and I suggest using grub if you have an ext3
partition.
One thing is for sure you will want ext3 partitions, because they are much
more stable than ext2.

----- Original Message -----
From: Anna Schneider <annas@drizzle.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 2:56 AM
Subject: Installing Speakup separate from Linux.


>
> Okay, so the place i'm buying my computer from will install a GPL version
> of Red Hat which I like because they will test it with the CD Writer and
> the video and sound cards, and their version includes a driver for the HP
> 1200 laser jet which I can have regardless of whether or not I buy the
> printer from them.  So I'm going to have to install Speak Up later on my
> own.
>
> Now, if I just want to install Speak Up without a distribution, do I use
> the tar.gc file of it and follow the instruction under installation?  This
> was in the index of various readme and key map files on the Speakup web
> page.
>
> And when I talk to the people at Pogo Linux, would I want to make sure
> that they choose the installation options for their version of Red Hat
> that the Speakup how to recommends, such as choosing lilo and the custom
> installation and text of course and so on.  I've got it all written down.
> I'm assuming that this will make less trouble for me later?
>
> I will need help installing Speakup if I go this route, correct?
>
> And lastly, how do I know which sireal port gets which designation?
>
> Thanks much.  I'm ordering my computer tomorrow. Very very excited.
>
> Anna
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Installing Speakup separate from Linux.

[Gregory Nowak]

The latest 2.4.x kernel is 2.4.18.
Greg


On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 06:17:25AM -0500, Thomas Ward wrote:
> Hi, Anna. You have a couple of options. First off you can get the speakup
> enabled rpms of the Red Hat kernel, modules, etc, and install that over top
> of the existing kernel in your installation.
> Second, choice is to download the lates 2.4.17 kernel tree, patch it with
> speakup, and compile from source.
> As for boot loader it doesn't really matter. Although I suggest grub. Grub
> is a good boot loader, and I suggest using grub if you have an ext3
> partition.
> One thing is for sure you will want ext3 partitions, because they are much
> more stable than ext2.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Anna Schneider <annas@drizzle.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 2:56 AM
> Subject: Installing Speakup separate from Linux.
> 
> 
> >
> > Okay, so the place i'm buying my computer from will install a GPL version
> > of Red Hat which I like because they will test it with the CD Writer and
> > the video and sound cards, and their version includes a driver for the HP
> > 1200 laser jet which I can have regardless of whether or not I buy the
> > printer from them.  So I'm going to have to install Speak Up later on my
> > own.
> >
> > Now, if I just want to install Speak Up without a distribution, do I use
> > the tar.gc file of it and follow the instruction under installation?  This
> > was in the index of various readme and key map files on the Speakup web
> > page.
> >
> > And when I talk to the people at Pogo Linux, would I want to make sure
> > that they choose the installation options for their version of Red Hat
> > that the Speakup how to recommends, such as choosing lilo and the custom
> > installation and text of course and so on.  I've got it all written down.
> > I'm assuming that this will make less trouble for me later?
> >
> > I will need help installing Speakup if I go this route, correct?
> >
> > And lastly, how do I know which sireal port gets which designation?
> >
> > Thanks much.  I'm ordering my computer tomorrow. Very very excited.
> >
> > Anna
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Installing Speakup separate from Linux.

[Janina Sajka]

Anna:

If your dealer installs Red Hat 7.2 for you, adding speakup will be very 
simple. They can even do it for you, probably. Here's what to do:

Go to http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/redhat/current/RPMS

and get both the ConsoleTools rpm and the appropriate kernel rpm for your 
cpu. Install as usual with rpms, and add an appropriate append = entry in 
/etc/lilo.conf -- appropriate for your synth, e.g. 
append="speakup_synth=dtlk" if you have an internal Doubletalk.

If I've missed a piece here, I'm sure Bill Acker will clear it up. This 
process will be the subject of a short HOWTO soon, but it isn't done yet.

PSS: Be sure the Pogo folks install all the character based applications 
you're going to need. In other words, if they install Red Hat 7.2, and 
select the workstation class installation, things like lynx will be 
missing. Server is actually a better installation class choice, imho, and 
the best, imho, is Custom with all packages selected. 

 On Sun, 3 
Mar 2002, Anna Schneider wrote:

> 
> Okay, so the place i'm buying my computer from will install a GPL version 
> of Red Hat which I like because they will test it with the CD Writer and 
> the video and sound cards, and their version includes a driver for the HP 
> 1200 laser jet which I can have regardless of whether or not I buy the 
> printer from them.  So I'm going to have to install Speak Up later on my 
> own.
> 
> Now, if I just want to install Speak Up without a distribution, do I use 
> the tar.gc file of it and follow the instruction under installation?  This 
> was in the index of various readme and key map files on the Speakup web 
> page.
> 
> And when I talk to the people at Pogo Linux, would I want to make sure 
> that they choose the installation options for their version of Red Hat 
> that the Speakup how to recommends, such as choosing lilo and the custom 
> installation and text of course and so on.  I've got it all written down.  
> I'm assuming that this will make less trouble for me later?
> 
> I will need help installing Speakup if I go this route, correct?
> 
> And lastly, how do I know which sireal port gets which designation?
> 
> Thanks much.  I'm ordering my computer tomorrow. Very very excited.
> 
> Anna
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Re: Installing Speakup separate from Linux.

[Janina Sajka]

Hey, Thomas,

Since you're supporting grub, may I ask how you deal with multiple 
configurations in grub? In other words, how do you know what configuration 
you're going to load? And, how do you know when to indicate the 
configuration option you want for any particular boot?

I ask this because, when I looked at grub a little over a year ago, I saw 
no clear way of providing a sonic prompt such as one can introduce in lilo 
via a couple of Ctrl-G's in /boot/message. Also, it was unclear to me 
whether one could alias configurations into a single keystroke as you can 
in lilo.

Please advise.



On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Thomas Ward wrote:

> Hi, Anna. You have a couple of options. First off you can get the speakup
> enabled rpms of the Red Hat kernel, modules, etc, and install that over top
> of the existing kernel in your installation.
> Second, choice is to download the lates 2.4.17 kernel tree, patch it with
> speakup, and compile from source.
> As for boot loader it doesn't really matter. Although I suggest grub. Grub
> is a good boot loader, and I suggest using grub if you have an ext3
> partition.
> One thing is for sure you will want ext3 partitions, because they are much
> more stable than ext2.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Anna Schneider <annas@drizzle.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 2:56 AM
> Subject: Installing Speakup separate from Linux.
> 
> 
> >
> > Okay, so the place i'm buying my computer from will install a GPL version
> > of Red Hat which I like because they will test it with the CD Writer and
> > the video and sound cards, and their version includes a driver for the HP
> > 1200 laser jet which I can have regardless of whether or not I buy the
> > printer from them.  So I'm going to have to install Speak Up later on my
> > own.
> >
> > Now, if I just want to install Speak Up without a distribution, do I use
> > the tar.gc file of it and follow the instruction under installation?  This
> > was in the index of various readme and key map files on the Speakup web
> > page.
> >
> > And when I talk to the people at Pogo Linux, would I want to make sure
> > that they choose the installation options for their version of Red Hat
> > that the Speakup how to recommends, such as choosing lilo and the custom
> > installation and text of course and so on.  I've got it all written down.
> > I'm assuming that this will make less trouble for me later?
> >
> > I will need help installing Speakup if I go this route, correct?
> >
> > And lastly, how do I know which sireal port gets which designation?
> >
> > Thanks much.  I'm ordering my computer tomorrow. Very very excited.
> >
> > Anna
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Grub was Re: Installing Speakup separate from Linux.

[Thomas Ward]

Hi, Janina. Well, as a rule of thumb I tell grub to give me  a long pause so
I know I am at the prompt, and when booting from Linux to Windows I know
that grub highlites the last operating system that was last used. If I am in
Windows I know to up arrow to Linux, and wam am in Red Hat.
If I want to switch to Windows I restart wait for the Grub prompt and down
arrow to Windows.
Lilo I think is a little more accessible, but grub allows the passwording
of partitions which allows some security.

----- Original Message -----
From: Janina Sajka <janina@afb.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: Installing Speakup separate from Linux.


> Hey, Thomas,
>
> Since you're supporting grub, may I ask how you deal with multiple
> configurations in grub? In other words, how do you know what configuration
> you're going to load? And, how do you know when to indicate the
> configuration option you want for any particular boot?
>
> I ask this because, when I looked at grub a little over a year ago, I saw
> no clear way of providing a sonic prompt such as one can introduce in lilo
> via a couple of Ctrl-G's in /boot/message. Also, it was unclear to me
> whether one could alias configurations into a single keystroke as you can
> in lilo.
>
> Please advise.
>
>
>
> On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Thomas Ward wrote:
>
> > Hi, Anna. You have a couple of options. First off you can get the
speakup
> > enabled rpms of the Red Hat kernel, modules, etc, and install that over
top
> > of the existing kernel in your installation.
> > Second, choice is to download the lates 2.4.17 kernel tree, patch it
with
> > speakup, and compile from source.
> > As for boot loader it doesn't really matter. Although I suggest grub.
Grub
> > is a good boot loader, and I suggest using grub if you have an ext3
> > partition.
> > One thing is for sure you will want ext3 partitions, because they are
much
> > more stable than ext2.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Anna Schneider <annas@drizzle.com>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 2:56 AM
> > Subject: Installing Speakup separate from Linux.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Okay, so the place i'm buying my computer from will install a GPL
version
> > > of Red Hat which I like because they will test it with the CD Writer
and
> > > the video and sound cards, and their version includes a driver for the
HP
> > > 1200 laser jet which I can have regardless of whether or not I buy the
> > > printer from them.  So I'm going to have to install Speak Up later on
my
> > > own.
> > >
> > > Now, if I just want to install Speak Up without a distribution, do I
use
> > > the tar.gc file of it and follow the instruction under installation?
This
> > > was in the index of various readme and key map files on the Speakup
web
> > > page.
> > >
> > > And when I talk to the people at Pogo Linux, would I want to make sure
> > > that they choose the installation options for their version of Red Hat
> > > that the Speakup how to recommends, such as choosing lilo and the
custom
> > > installation and text of course and so on.  I've got it all written
down.
> > > I'm assuming that this will make less trouble for me later?
> > >
> > > I will need help installing Speakup if I go this route, correct?
> > >
> > > And lastly, how do I know which sireal port gets which designation?
> > >
> > > Thanks much.  I'm ordering my computer tomorrow. Very very excited.
> > >
> > > Anna
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Grup

[Raul A. Gallegos]

Can you make grub do a control-g beep so that you know when you
are in the welcome screen like you can with lilo?

Thomas Ward said the
following on Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 12:43:39PM -0500:
> Hi, Janina. Well, as a rule of thumb I tell grub to give me  a long pause so
> I know I am at the prompt, and when booting from Linux to Windows I know
> that grub highlites the last operating system that was last used. If I am in
> Windows I know to up arrow to Linux, and wam am in Red Hat.
> If I want to switch to Windows I restart wait for the Grub prompt and down
> arrow to Windows.

--
If you are good, you will be assigned all the work.  If you are real
good, you will get out of it.
Raul A. Gallegos - http://www.asmodean.net

Re: Grub was Re: Installing Speakup separate from Linux.

[Janina Sajka]

OK, that's about what I saw last year. I stayed with lilo because lilo 
appears to be more accessible.

For the record, you can also password protect partitions with lilo. Look 
at the lilo man page, and look for:

restricted
password=

On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Thomas Ward wrote:

> Hi, Janina. Well, as a rule of thumb I tell grub to give me  a long pause so
> I know I am at the prompt, and when booting from Linux to Windows I know
> that grub highlites the last operating system that was last used. If I am in
> Windows I know to up arrow to Linux, and wam am in Red Hat.
> If I want to switch to Windows I restart wait for the Grub prompt and down
> arrow to Windows.
> Lilo I think is a little more accessible, but grub allows the passwording
> of partitions which allows some security.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Janina Sajka <janina@afb.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 11:00 AM
> Subject: Re: Installing Speakup separate from Linux.
> 
> 
> > Hey, Thomas,
> >
> > Since you're supporting grub, may I ask how you deal with multiple
> > configurations in grub? In other words, how do you know what configuration
> > you're going to load? And, how do you know when to indicate the
> > configuration option you want for any particular boot?
> >
> > I ask this because, when I looked at grub a little over a year ago, I saw
> > no clear way of providing a sonic prompt such as one can introduce in lilo
> > via a couple of Ctrl-G's in /boot/message. Also, it was unclear to me
> > whether one could alias configurations into a single keystroke as you can
> > in lilo.
> >
> > Please advise.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Thomas Ward wrote:
> >
> > > Hi, Anna. You have a couple of options. First off you can get the
> speakup
> > > enabled rpms of the Red Hat kernel, modules, etc, and install that over
> top
> > > of the existing kernel in your installation.
> > > Second, choice is to download the lates 2.4.17 kernel tree, patch it
> with
> > > speakup, and compile from source.
> > > As for boot loader it doesn't really matter. Although I suggest grub.
> Grub
> > > is a good boot loader, and I suggest using grub if you have an ext3
> > > partition.
> > > One thing is for sure you will want ext3 partitions, because they are
> much
> > > more stable than ext2.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Anna Schneider <annas@drizzle.com>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 2:56 AM
> > > Subject: Installing Speakup separate from Linux.
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Okay, so the place i'm buying my computer from will install a GPL
> version
> > > > of Red Hat which I like because they will test it with the CD Writer
> and
> > > > the video and sound cards, and their version includes a driver for the
> HP
> > > > 1200 laser jet which I can have regardless of whether or not I buy the
> > > > printer from them.  So I'm going to have to install Speak Up later on
> my
> > > > own.
> > > >
> > > > Now, if I just want to install Speak Up without a distribution, do I
> use
> > > > the tar.gc file of it and follow the instruction under installation?
> This
> > > > was in the index of various readme and key map files on the Speakup
> web
> > > > page.
> > > >
> > > > And when I talk to the people at Pogo Linux, would I want to make sure
> > > > that they choose the installation options for their version of Red Hat
> > > > that the Speakup how to recommends, such as choosing lilo and the
> custom
> > > > installation and text of course and so on.  I've got it all written
> down.
> > > > I'm assuming that this will make less trouble for me later?
> > > >
> > > > I will need help installing Speakup if I go this route, correct?
> > > >
> > > > And lastly, how do I know which sireal port gets which designation?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks much.  I'm ordering my computer tomorrow. Very very excited.
> > > >
> > > > Anna
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Re: Grub was Re: Installing Speakup separate from Linux.

[Janina Sajka]

Let me raise a somewhat more thorny issue here. This topic came up for us 
this morning because a newbie was asking for advice.

If, as I think we've just established, grub is less accessible than lilo, 
might I suggest that it is inappropriate to recommend the less accessible 
option to a newbie. And, if it is appropriate to recommend it, isn't it an 
ethical responsibility to advise about the accessibility concerns and the 
existence of a more accessible option? I believe this is the 
responsibility of those of us with a bit more knowledge and experience.


-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Re: Grub was Re: Installing Speakup separate from Linux.

[Thomas Ward]

Cool. I will look that up. I wasn't aware of lilo's password features.

----- Original Message -----
From: Janina Sajka <janina@afb.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: Grub was Re: Installing Speakup separate from Linux.


> OK, that's about what I saw last year. I stayed with lilo because lilo
> appears to be more accessible.
>
> For the record, you can also password protect partitions with lilo. Look
> at the lilo man page, and look for:
>
> restricted
> password=
>
> On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Thomas Ward wrote:
>
> > Hi, Janina. Well, as a rule of thumb I tell grub to give me  a long
pause so
> > I know I am at the prompt, and when booting from Linux to Windows I know
> > that grub highlites the last operating system that was last used. If I
am in
> > Windows I know to up arrow to Linux, and wam am in Red Hat.
> > If I want to switch to Windows I restart wait for the Grub prompt and
down
> > arrow to Windows.
> > Lilo I think is a little more accessible, but grub allows the
passwording
> > of partitions which allows some security.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Janina Sajka <janina@afb.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 11:00 AM
> > Subject: Re: Installing Speakup separate from Linux.
> >
> >
> > > Hey, Thomas,
> > >
> > > Since you're supporting grub, may I ask how you deal with multiple
> > > configurations in grub? In other words, how do you know what
configuration
> > > you're going to load? And, how do you know when to indicate the
> > > configuration option you want for any particular boot?
> > >
> > > I ask this because, when I looked at grub a little over a year ago, I
saw
> > > no clear way of providing a sonic prompt such as one can introduce in
lilo
> > > via a couple of Ctrl-G's in /boot/message. Also, it was unclear to me
> > > whether one could alias configurations into a single keystroke as you
can
> > > in lilo.
> > >
> > > Please advise.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Thomas Ward wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi, Anna. You have a couple of options. First off you can get the
> > speakup
> > > > enabled rpms of the Red Hat kernel, modules, etc, and install that
over
> > top
> > > > of the existing kernel in your installation.
> > > > Second, choice is to download the lates 2.4.17 kernel tree, patch it
> > with
> > > > speakup, and compile from source.
> > > > As for boot loader it doesn't really matter. Although I suggest
grub.
> > Grub
> > > > is a good boot loader, and I suggest using grub if you have an ext3
> > > > partition.
> > > > One thing is for sure you will want ext3 partitions, because they
are
> > much
> > > > more stable than ext2.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Anna Schneider <annas@drizzle.com>
> > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 2:56 AM
> > > > Subject: Installing Speakup separate from Linux.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Okay, so the place i'm buying my computer from will install a GPL
> > version
> > > > > of Red Hat which I like because they will test it with the CD
Writer
> > and
> > > > > the video and sound cards, and their version includes a driver for
the
> > HP
> > > > > 1200 laser jet which I can have regardless of whether or not I buy
the
> > > > > printer from them.  So I'm going to have to install Speak Up later
on
> > my
> > > > > own.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now, if I just want to install Speak Up without a distribution, do
I
> > use
> > > > > the tar.gc file of it and follow the instruction under
installation?
> > This
> > > > > was in the index of various readme and key map files on the
Speakup
> > web
> > > > > page.
> > > > >
> > > > > And when I talk to the people at Pogo Linux, would I want to make
sure
> > > > > that they choose the installation options for their version of Red
Hat
> > > > > that the Speakup how to recommends, such as choosing lilo and the
> > custom
> > > > > installation and text of course and so on.  I've got it all
written
> > down.
> > > > > I'm assuming that this will make less trouble for me later?
> > > > >
> > > > > I will need help installing Speakup if I go this route, correct?
> > > > >
> > > > > And lastly, how do I know which sireal port gets which
designation?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks much.  I'm ordering my computer tomorrow. Very very
excited.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anna
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > Technology Research and Development
> > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > >
> > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > >
> > > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > http://www.openebook.org
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Grub was Re: Installing Speakup separate from Linux.

[Thomas Ward]

Hmmm... Well, both are usable. Lilo verses Grub is more a personal issue
rather than an accessible one.
Neither boot loader is that dificult when instructed on how to use them, and
if Linux resides as the only os on the system it is likely you may only have
one partition to boot.
However, perhaps starting out with lilo won't be a bad choice seeing the
number of familiar users. Grub is new, and not a lot of blind Linux users
have switched to it.



----- Original Message -----
From: Janina Sajka <janina@afb.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: Grub was Re: Installing Speakup separate from Linux.


> Let me raise a somewhat more thorny issue here. This topic came up for us
> this morning because a newbie was asking for advice.
>
> If, as I think we've just established, grub is less accessible than lilo,
> might I suggest that it is inappropriate to recommend the less accessible
> option to a newbie. And, if it is appropriate to recommend it, isn't it an
> ethical responsibility to advise about the accessibility concerns and the
> existence of a more accessible option? I believe this is the
> responsibility of those of us with a bit more knowledge and experience.
>
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Installing Speakup separate from Linux.

[Anna Schneider]

Okay.  I need to read some how to documents before my computer actually 
arrives.  I didn't unerstand most of that.  *grin*  The files to do either 
of those options are on the Speak Up web site right?  I saw a file called 
something like speakup.tar.gc or some such that I am assuming is Speakup 
without a distribution, or Speakup I can stick on top of a distribution.

Anna

Re: Installing Speakup separate from Linux.

[Janina Sajka]

Anna:

I'm not sure who you're responding to, because you didn't retain any of 
the message you're responding to. Since several of us wrote you, including 
me, I'm taking the liberty to say that this message below is not correct, 
from the perspective of my earlier note today. There's no reason to patch 
a kernel tree and compile a new kernel in order to get speakup into a Red 
Hat 7.2 installation. Red Hat has something called the Red Hat Package 
Manager, rpm for short, that will be very familiar to the Pogo people. 
It's a simple way of swapping a new kernel, one that has speakup in it, 
into your installation.

The difference between the rpm approach and compiling a new kernel is 
major. Using rpm, the Pogo people can have you up to speed in a matter of 
minutes. Doing the kernel route is at least an hour for an experienced 
person, and many many hours for someone doing it for the first time.
 On 
Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Anna Schneider wrote:

> Okay.  I need to read some how to documents before my computer actually 
> arrives.  I didn't unerstand most of that.  *grin*  The files to do either 
> of those options are on the Speak Up web site right?  I saw a file called 
> something like speakup.tar.gc or some such that I am assuming is Speakup 
> without a distribution, or Speakup I can stick on top of a distribution.
> 
> Anna
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Re: Grub was Re: Installing Speakup separate from Linux.

[Janina Sajka]

Usable and accessible aren't the same thing, though. I think you wrote 
that you give yourself a lot of time to put the grub command in--arrowing 
or whatever you do. If indeed there's no opportunity to insert bell chars, 
or to echo a boot prompt of some kind to a serial device, I would 
certainly adjudicate grub as less accessible. Feedback about what's 
happening, and knowing where you are and what the results of your key 
strokes will be are critical componants of accessibility.

Not that lilo is all that accessible, either. But, there seems to be more 
information there to support eyes-free interfaces.
 On Mon, 4 Mar 
2002, Thomas Ward wrote:

> Hmmm... Well, both are usable. Lilo verses Grub is more a personal issue
> rather than an accessible one.
> Neither boot loader is that dificult when instructed on how to use them, and
> if Linux resides as the only os on the system it is likely you may only have
> one partition to boot.
> However, perhaps starting out with lilo won't be a bad choice seeing the
> number of familiar users. Grub is new, and not a lot of blind Linux users
> have switched to it.
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Janina Sajka <janina@afb.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 1:52 PM
> Subject: Re: Grub was Re: Installing Speakup separate from Linux.
> 
> 
> > Let me raise a somewhat more thorny issue here. This topic came up for us
> > this morning because a newbie was asking for advice.
> >
> > If, as I think we've just established, grub is less accessible than lilo,
> > might I suggest that it is inappropriate to recommend the less accessible
> > option to a newbie. And, if it is appropriate to recommend it, isn't it an
> > ethical responsibility to advise about the accessibility concerns and the
> > existence of a more accessible option? I believe this is the
> > responsibility of those of us with a bit more knowledge and experience.
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Re: Installing Speakup separate from Linux.

[William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123]

On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Thomas Ward wrote:

> As for boot loader it doesn't really matter. Although I suggest grub. Grub
> is a good boot loader, and I suggest using grub if you have an ext3
> partition.
What do Grub and ext3 have to do with eachother?

> One thing is for sure you will want ext3 partitions, because they are much
> more stable than ext2.
How?



          Bill in Denver

Re: Installing Speakup separate from Linux.

[Thomas Ward]

Hi, Bill. As for ext3 verses ext2 I've noticed some improvements. For starts
I've intentionally tried killing the partition by switching off my machine
to simulate a power failior and the partition stayed in tact. When I
attempted the same test the ext2 partition needed to be repared.
Another thing ext3 seams to work faster, and it supports journaling support.
That's the reasons I feel it is better than the older ext2 fs.

As for Grub verses Lilo issue that's already been discussed in another
thred. It really comes down to preference. Since Red Hat suggests using
?Grub I go ahead and use it. Although someone could go ahead and use Lilo if
they want to.


----- Original Message -----
From: William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123 <wacker@octothorp.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: Installing Speakup separate from Linux.


> On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Thomas Ward wrote:
>
> > As for boot loader it doesn't really matter. Although I suggest grub.
Grub
> > is a good boot loader, and I suggest using grub if you have an ext3
> > partition.
> What do Grub and ext3 have to do with eachother?
>
> > One thing is for sure you will want ext3 partitions, because they are
much
> > more stable than ext2.
> How?
>
>
>
>           Bill in Denver
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Grub was Re: Installing Speakup separate from Linux.

[Thomas Ward]

Well, before we rule out bells in Grub I suspect I'll need to do some
research to that effect. I've never tried to see if Grub supports bells.I
merely had it wait a long enough period until I knew it had stopped and then
arrow to the os I want.
However, if there is a chanse it does support bells I will look into it. It
may or may not have it.

----- Original Message -----
From: Janina Sajka <janina@afb.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: Grub was Re: Installing Speakup separate from Linux.


> Usable and accessible aren't the same thing, though. I think you wrote
> that you give yourself a lot of time to put the grub command in--arrowing
> or whatever you do. If indeed there's no opportunity to insert bell chars,
> or to echo a boot prompt of some kind to a serial device, I would
> certainly adjudicate grub as less accessible. Feedback about what's
> happening, and knowing where you are and what the results of your key
> strokes will be are critical componants of accessibility.
>
> Not that lilo is all that accessible, either. But, there seems to be more
> information there to support eyes-free interfaces.
>  On Mon, 4 Mar
> 2002, Thomas Ward wrote:
>
> > Hmmm... Well, both are usable. Lilo verses Grub is more a personal issue
> > rather than an accessible one.
> > Neither boot loader is that dificult when instructed on how to use them,
and
> > if Linux resides as the only os on the system it is likely you may only
have
> > one partition to boot.
> > However, perhaps starting out with lilo won't be a bad choice seeing the
> > number of familiar users. Grub is new, and not a lot of blind Linux
users
> > have switched to it.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Janina Sajka <janina@afb.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 1:52 PM
> > Subject: Re: Grub was Re: Installing Speakup separate from Linux.
> >
> >
> > > Let me raise a somewhat more thorny issue here. This topic came up for
us
> > > this morning because a newbie was asking for advice.
> > >
> > > If, as I think we've just established, grub is less accessible than
lilo,
> > > might I suggest that it is inappropriate to recommend the less
accessible
> > > option to a newbie. And, if it is appropriate to recommend it, isn't
it an
> > > ethical responsibility to advise about the accessibility concerns and
the
> > > existence of a more accessible option? I believe this is the
> > > responsibility of those of us with a bit more knowledge and
experience.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > Technology Research and Development
> > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > >
> > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > >
> > > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > http://www.openebook.org
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Installing Speakup separate from Linux.

[Thomas Ward]

Hi, Anna. Ok, first thing to under stant the Speakup tarball is the source
code only. The source is uncompiled code witch needs to be patched into a
kernel source tree, and compiled with a compiler. Then, installed.
At this point the rpms is what you really need. Rpms are binary compiled
kernel with speakup which you or Pogo can install in a matter of minutes.
They would download it to a directory and type rpm -Uv filename.rpm and wam
they are in business.



----- Original Message -----
From: Anna Schneider <annas@drizzle.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: Installing Speakup separate from Linux.


> Okay.  I need to read some how to documents before my computer actually
> arrives.  I didn't unerstand most of that.  *grin*  The files to do either
> of those options are on the Speak Up web site right?  I saw a file called
> something like speakup.tar.gc or some such that I am assuming is Speakup
> without a distribution, or Speakup I can stick on top of a distribution.
>
> Anna
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Installing Speakup separate from Linux.

[Anna Schneider]

Hello.  I'm including the message to whic I am responding this time.  
Sorry about the previous time.  My brain has been more fried in the pat 
few weeks then it's been in ages.

That all makes sense and after I ordered my computer today, which I did do 
much excitement, I forwarded various links to them to look at and 
emphasized that I want to be in communication with the technical people 
there.  I think it should all be fine.

Thank you again for much help.

Anna


On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Janina Sajka wrote:

> Anna:
> 
> I'm not sure who you're responding to, because you didn't retain any of 
> the message you're responding to. Since several of us wrote you, including 
> me, I'm taking the liberty to say that this message below is not correct, 
> from the perspective of my earlier note today. There's no reason to patch 
> a kernel tree and compile a new kernel in order to get speakup into a Red 
> Hat 7.2 installation. Red Hat has something called the Red Hat Package 
> Manager, rpm for short, that will be very familiar to the Pogo people. 
> It's a simple way of swapping a new kernel, one that has speakup in it, 
> into your installation.
> 
> The difference between the rpm approach and compiling a new kernel is 
> major. Using rpm, the Pogo people can have you up to speed in a matter of 
> minutes. Doing the kernel route is at least an hour for an experienced 
> person, and many many hours for someone doing it for the first time.
>  On 
> Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Anna Schneider wrote:
> 
> > Okay.  I need to read some how to documents before my computer actually 
> > arrives.  I didn't unerstand most of that.  *grin*  The files to do either 
> > of those options are on the Speak Up web site right?  I saw a file called 
> > something like speakup.tar.gc or some such that I am assuming is Speakup 
> > without a distribution, or Speakup I can stick on top of a distribution.
> > 
> > Anna
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> 
> 

Re: Installing Speakup separate from Linux.

[Pete]

  Do x2 and x3 file systems use the same partission number in cfdisk?
  Pete

----- Original Message -----
From: "William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123" <wacker@octothorp.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: Installing Speakup separate from Linux.


On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Thomas Ward wrote:

> As for boot loader it doesn't really matter. Although I suggest grub. Grub
> is a good boot loader, and I suggest using grub if you have an ext3
> partition.
What do Grub and ext3 have to do with eachother?

> One thing is for sure you will want ext3 partitions, because they are much
> more stable than ext2.
How?



          Bill in Denver



_______________________________________________
Speakup mailing list
Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

help whith d s l conection

[Pete]

  I need some help in configuring, in windows I am using a program/client
called enternet 300 to conect.  I have an umsdos slackware 8.0 system
installed on /dev/hda2 and am using loadlin to boot it.  The ethernet card
and modem were detected during setup's probing and there didn't seem to be
any problems.  The highspeed modem attached to the ethernet card how ever
wasn't detected during setup.  How do I proceed from here?
  Is there an enternet client for linux?
  The next thing I got stuck on is host name and domane name, in windows it
is serverassigned and dhcp is used for dns addresses.  I don't know any
thing about the host or domane names. What are these?
  Pete

Re: help whith d s l conection

[Kirk Wood]

You want to lookup the HOWTO pages on PPOE.

=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net

Nowlan's Theory:
        He who hesitates is not only lost, but several miles from
        the next freeway exit.

Re: Grub was Re: Installing Speakup separate from Linux.

[Janina Sajka]

Hi, Thomas:

I, for one, would appreciate knowing whether or not bells are supported in 
grub, somehow. Recall, as you look, that they're not directly supported in 
lilo. They're a by-product of the display of a message file, which can be 
made to contain ASCII $7.

The other issue is a reliable way to load one kernel (or configuration) 
versus some other. This would need to be something not based on 
remembering which one was loaded last time.


On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Thomas Ward wrote:

> Well, before we rule out bells in Grub I suspect I'll need to do some
> research to that effect. I've never tried to see if Grub supports bells.I
> merely had it wait a long enough period until I knew it had stopped and then
> arrow to the os I want.
> However, if there is a chanse it does support bells I will look into it. It
> may or may not have it.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Janina Sajka <janina@afb.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 8:59 PM
> Subject: Re: Grub was Re: Installing Speakup separate from Linux.
> 
> 
> > Usable and accessible aren't the same thing, though. I think you wrote
> > that you give yourself a lot of time to put the grub command in--arrowing
> > or whatever you do. If indeed there's no opportunity to insert bell chars,
> > or to echo a boot prompt of some kind to a serial device, I would
> > certainly adjudicate grub as less accessible. Feedback about what's
> > happening, and knowing where you are and what the results of your key
> > strokes will be are critical componants of accessibility.
> >
> > Not that lilo is all that accessible, either. But, there seems to be more
> > information there to support eyes-free interfaces.
> >  On Mon, 4 Mar
> > 2002, Thomas Ward wrote:
> >
> > > Hmmm... Well, both are usable. Lilo verses Grub is more a personal issue
> > > rather than an accessible one.
> > > Neither boot loader is that dificult when instructed on how to use them,
> and
> > > if Linux resides as the only os on the system it is likely you may only
> have
> > > one partition to boot.
> > > However, perhaps starting out with lilo won't be a bad choice seeing the
> > > number of familiar users. Grub is new, and not a lot of blind Linux
> users
> > > have switched to it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Janina Sajka <janina@afb.net>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 1:52 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Grub was Re: Installing Speakup separate from Linux.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Let me raise a somewhat more thorny issue here. This topic came up for
> us
> > > > this morning because a newbie was asking for advice.
> > > >
> > > > If, as I think we've just established, grub is less accessible than
> lilo,
> > > > might I suggest that it is inappropriate to recommend the less
> accessible
> > > > option to a newbie. And, if it is appropriate to recommend it, isn't
> it an
> > > > ethical responsibility to advise about the accessibility concerns and
> the
> > > > existence of a more accessible option? I believe this is the
> > > > responsibility of those of us with a bit more knowledge and
> experience.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > > Technology Research and Development
> > > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > > >
> > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > > >
> > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > > http://www.openebook.org
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Re: Installing Speakup separate from Linux.

[Janina Sajka]

Anytime, Anna. And, if the Pogo folks need to talk with one of us to get 
your machine working properly, that's OK, too. I think we'd all be 
delighted to have them knowledgable about speakup and how we interface to 
computers.
 On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Anna Schneider wrote:

> Hello.  I'm including the message to whic I am responding this time.  
> Sorry about the previous time.  My brain has been more fried in the pat 
> few weeks then it's been in ages.
> 
> That all makes sense and after I ordered my computer today, which I did do 
> much excitement, I forwarded various links to them to look at and 
> emphasized that I want to be in communication with the technical people 
> there.  I think it should all be fine.
> 
> Thank you again for much help.
> 
> Anna
> 
> 
> On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Janina Sajka wrote:
> 
> > Anna:
> > 
> > I'm not sure who you're responding to, because you didn't retain any of 
> > the message you're responding to. Since several of us wrote you, including 
> > me, I'm taking the liberty to say that this message below is not correct, 
> > from the perspective of my earlier note today. There's no reason to patch 
> > a kernel tree and compile a new kernel in order to get speakup into a Red 
> > Hat 7.2 installation. Red Hat has something called the Red Hat Package 
> > Manager, rpm for short, that will be very familiar to the Pogo people. 
> > It's a simple way of swapping a new kernel, one that has speakup in it, 
> > into your installation.
> > 
> > The difference between the rpm approach and compiling a new kernel is 
> > major. Using rpm, the Pogo people can have you up to speed in a matter of 
> > minutes. Doing the kernel route is at least an hour for an experienced 
> > person, and many many hours for someone doing it for the first time.
> >  On 
> > Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Anna Schneider wrote:
> > 
> > > Okay.  I need to read some how to documents before my computer actually 
> > > arrives.  I didn't unerstand most of that.  *grin*  The files to do either 
> > > of those options are on the Speak Up web site right?  I saw a file called 
> > > something like speakup.tar.gc or some such that I am assuming is Speakup 
> > > without a distribution, or Speakup I can stick on top of a distribution.
> > > 
> > > Anna
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

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				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Re: help whith d s l conection

[Pete]

  
  OK, Thanks!  
  Pete  

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kirk Wood" <cpt.kirk@1tree.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: help whith d s l conection


You want to lookup the HOWTO pages on PPOE.

=======
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Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net

Nowlan's Theory:
        He who hesitates is not only lost, but several miles from
        the next freeway exit.



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Re: Installing Speakup separate from Linux.

[Janina Sajka]

On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Thomas Ward wrote:
> As for Grub verses Lilo issue that's already been discussed in another
> thred. It really comes down to preference.

I thought we'd just established that it was a matter of accessibility, not 
of preference. I think accessibility matters on this list. I would say 
it's a priority consideration here. 

Re: help whith d s l conection

[Gregory Nowak]

Your domain name is ameritech.net based on your e-mail address. To find out your host name under windows, do the following.
1. Go to start menu.
2. Go to settings.
3. Select control pannel.
4. Select networking.
5. Go down until your network cards tcp/ip protocal is selected, and tab over to and hit enter on properities.
Hit shift+tab and you'll land on the ip address tab. Arrow left, until you are on the dns configuration tab control. Hit the tab key, and you should be on radio buttons to enable or disable dns. Hit the tab key again, and you should be on an edit box. This edit box will have your hostname.

To configure your network under zipspeak, type
netconfig
. I know there is a dhcp choice there, but I've never configured a network interface for dhcp, so can't really help you there.
Hth.
Greg


On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 07:19:06AM -0500, Pete wrote:
> 
>   I need some help in configuring, in windows I am using a program/client
> called enternet 300 to conect.  I have an umsdos slackware 8.0 system
> installed on /dev/hda2 and am using loadlin to boot it.  The ethernet card
> and modem were detected during setup's probing and there didn't seem to be
> any problems.  The highspeed modem attached to the ethernet card how ever
> wasn't detected during setup.  How do I proceed from here?
>   Is there an enternet client for linux?
>   The next thing I got stuck on is host name and domane name, in windows it
> is serverassigned and dhcp is used for dns addresses.  I don't know any
> thing about the host or domane names. What are these?
>   Pete
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: help whith d s l conection

[Pete]

  Hi
  OK,  network t c p i p propertys has d n s radio disabled, obtain i p
address automatically is sellected and use d h c p for wins resolution is
selected allow a t m value is set to no and the bindings tab has client for
microscoft networks checked along whith file and printer sharing. Let me
think, did I miss any thing?
  I feel kind of stupid, because I have been in the tcpip propertys a number
of times setting up modem conections in the past..  I am using a program
called enter net 300 to connect, and don't have to set any thing in the
network propertys pages for it.
  Pete

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregory Nowak" <gnowak1@uic.edu>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: help whith d s l conection


Your domain name is ameritech.net based on your e-mail address. To find out
your host name under windows, do the following.
1. Go to start menu.
2. Go to settings.
3. Select control pannel.
4. Select networking.
5. Go down until your network cards tcp/ip protocal is selected, and tab
over to and hit enter on properities.
Hit shift+tab and you'll land on the ip address tab. Arrow left, until you
are on the dns configuration tab control. Hit the tab key, and you should be
on radio buttons to enable or disable dns. Hit the tab key again, and you
should be on an edit box. This edit box will have your hostname.

To configure your network under zipspeak, type
netconfig
. I know there is a dhcp choice there, but I've never configured a network
interface for dhcp, so can't really help you there.
Hth.
Greg


On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 07:19:06AM -0500, Pete wrote:
>
>   I need some help in configuring, in windows I am using a program/client
> called enternet 300 to conect.  I have an umsdos slackware 8.0 system
> installed on /dev/hda2 and am using loadlin to boot it.  The ethernet card
> and modem were detected during setup's probing and there didn't seem to be
> any problems.  The highspeed modem attached to the ethernet card how ever
> wasn't detected during setup.  How do I proceed from here?
>   Is there an enternet client for linux?
>   The next thing I got stuck on is host name and domane name, in windows
it
> is serverassigned and dhcp is used for dns addresses.  I don't know any
> thing about the host or domane names. What are these?
>   Pete
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

_______________________________________________
Speakup mailing list
Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: help whith d s l conection

[Gregory Nowak]

Sorry I can't help you, since you're using dhcp. No, you're not missing anything, it would make sense that your machine would get it's settings from dhcp. Try netconfig first like I suggested, and select the dhcp option when you're in the section that configures your machine's ip address. You'll need to reboot after you  finish doing that. If things work, grate. If not, there is a dhcp howto which I think someone mentioned earlier. Hth.
Greg


On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 09:00:39AM -0500, Pete wrote:
> 
>   Hi
>   OK,  network t c p i p propertys has d n s radio disabled, obtain i p
> address automatically is sellected and use d h c p for wins resolution is
> selected allow a t m value is set to no and the bindings tab has client for
> microscoft networks checked along whith file and printer sharing. Let me
> think, did I miss any thing?
>   I feel kind of stupid, because I have been in the tcpip propertys a number
> of times setting up modem conections in the past..  I am using a program
> called enter net 300 to connect, and don't have to set any thing in the
> network propertys pages for it.
>   Pete
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gregory Nowak" <gnowak1@uic.edu>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 3:13 PM
> Subject: Re: help whith d s l conection
> 
> 
> Your domain name is ameritech.net based on your e-mail address. To find out
> your host name under windows, do the following.
> 1. Go to start menu.
> 2. Go to settings.
> 3. Select control pannel.
> 4. Select networking.
> 5. Go down until your network cards tcp/ip protocal is selected, and tab
> over to and hit enter on properities.
> Hit shift+tab and you'll land on the ip address tab. Arrow left, until you
> are on the dns configuration tab control. Hit the tab key, and you should be
> on radio buttons to enable or disable dns. Hit the tab key again, and you
> should be on an edit box. This edit box will have your hostname.
> 
> To configure your network under zipspeak, type
> netconfig
> . I know there is a dhcp choice there, but I've never configured a network
> interface for dhcp, so can't really help you there.
> Hth.
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 07:19:06AM -0500, Pete wrote:
> >
> >   I need some help in configuring, in windows I am using a program/client
> > called enternet 300 to conect.  I have an umsdos slackware 8.0 system
> > installed on /dev/hda2 and am using loadlin to boot it.  The ethernet card
> > and modem were detected during setup's probing and there didn't seem to be
> > any problems.  The highspeed modem attached to the ethernet card how ever
> > wasn't detected during setup.  How do I proceed from here?
> >   Is there an enternet client for linux?
> >   The next thing I got stuck on is host name and domane name, in windows
> it
> > is serverassigned and dhcp is used for dns addresses.  I don't know any
> > thing about the host or domane names. What are these?
> >   Pete
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: help whith d s l conection

[Kirk Wood]

Call your ISP and ask if you are using PPOE. I would bet that if you need
this program installed, you are using PPOE. If so, then you don't get your
address from DHCP. You get your address from the PPOE client (net300). SBC
uses PPOE almost exclusively for residential DSL. Many companies use it
because of the security risks involved with a straight connection.

The only other thing would be to attempt to manually get the address via
dhcp using the hostname that is assigned to your windows computers. The
ill fated @home network used this scheme. The computer name detirmined
what address was assigned via dhcp and if the computer name wasn't what
they assigned it wouldn't get an address. But again, you probably are
using PPOE.

=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net

Nowlan's Theory:
        He who hesitates is not only lost, but several miles from
        the next freeway exit.

Re: help whith d s l conection

[Pete]

  OK,
  'netconfig'  dhcp yes
  Host name ISP doesn't know..
Come to think of it ISP doesn't know much.
  I found an enternet client for linux, will try it.
  Downloaded the roaring penguin PPPOE client and got time out while trying
to conect so am getting some ware.
  Thanks!
  Pete

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregory Nowak" <gnowak1@uic.edu>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: help whith d s l conection


Sorry I can't help you, since you're using dhcp. No, you're not missing
anything, it would make sense that your machine would get it's settings from
dhcp. Try netconfig first like I suggested, and select the dhcp option when
you're in the section that configures your machine's ip address. You'll need
to reboot after you  finish doing that. If things work, grate. If not, there
is a dhcp howto which I think someone mentioned earlier. Hth.
Greg


On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 09:00:39AM -0500, Pete wrote:
>
>   Hi
>   OK,  network t c p i p propertys has d n s radio disabled, obtain i p
> address automatically is sellected and use d h c p for wins resolution is
> selected allow a t m value is set to no and the bindings tab has client
for
> microscoft networks checked along whith file and printer sharing. Let me
> think, did I miss any thing?
>   I feel kind of stupid, because I have been in the tcpip propertys a
number
> of times setting up modem conections in the past..  I am using a program
> called enter net 300 to connect, and don't have to set any thing in the
> network propertys pages for it.
>   Pete
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gregory Nowak" <gnowak1@uic.edu>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 3:13 PM
> Subject: Re: help whith d s l conection
>
>
> Your domain name is ameritech.net based on your e-mail address. To find
out
> your host name under windows, do the following.
> 1. Go to start menu.
> 2. Go to settings.
> 3. Select control pannel.
> 4. Select networking.
> 5. Go down until your network cards tcp/ip protocal is selected, and tab
> over to and hit enter on properities.
> Hit shift+tab and you'll land on the ip address tab. Arrow left, until you
> are on the dns configuration tab control. Hit the tab key, and you should
be
> on radio buttons to enable or disable dns. Hit the tab key again, and you
> should be on an edit box. This edit box will have your hostname.
>
> To configure your network under zipspeak, type
> netconfig
> . I know there is a dhcp choice there, but I've never configured a network
> interface for dhcp, so can't really help you there.
> Hth.
> Greg
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 07:19:06AM -0500, Pete wrote:
> >
> >   I need some help in configuring, in windows I am using a
program/client
> > called enternet 300 to conect.  I have an umsdos slackware 8.0 system
> > installed on /dev/hda2 and am using loadlin to boot it.  The ethernet
card
> > and modem were detected during setup's probing and there didn't seem to
be
> > any problems.  The highspeed modem attached to the ethernet card how
ever
> > wasn't detected during setup.  How do I proceed from here?
> >   Is there an enternet client for linux?
> >   The next thing I got stuck on is host name and domane name, in windows
> it
> > is serverassigned and dhcp is used for dns addresses.  I don't know any
> > thing about the host or domane names. What are these?
> >   Pete
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: help whith d s l conection

[Pete]

  Hi
  The ISP people don't know.  IP and DNS and HOST name and a few others
don't have any meaning to them.  I am prety sure it is PPPOE.  I found an
enter net client for linux though.  The high speed modem people told me a
driver is not required for the modem.  It acts like a bridge I think he
said.  How do I edit files? Wait, what's the easiest editor to use in linux?
  Thanks!
  Pete

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirk Wood" <cpt.kirk@1tree.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: help whith d s l conection


Call your ISP and ask if you are using PPOE. I would bet that if you need
this program installed, you are using PPOE. If so, then you don't get your
address from DHCP. You get your address from the PPOE client (net300). SBC
uses PPOE almost exclusively for residential DSL. Many companies use it
because of the security risks involved with a straight connection.

The only other thing would be to attempt to manually get the address via
dhcp using the hostname that is assigned to your windows computers. The
ill fated @home network used this scheme. The computer name detirmined
what address was assigned via dhcp and if the computer name wasn't what
they assigned it wouldn't get an address. But again, you probably are
using PPOE.

=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net

Nowlan's Theory:
        He who hesitates is not only lost, but several miles from
        the next freeway exit.



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