New to LINUX

New to LINUX

[Chuck Kyle]

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Greetings,
    I am a JAWS user with a Gateway Celeron and usb connections. I have purchased a SUSE LINUX software package. I would appreciate answers to these questions:
    1. When will Tuxtalk be available?
    2. What is the general price range for a hardware synthesizer?
    3. Does this software help solve installation probvlems?
    4. What synthesizer will connect properly with my system?
    5. Would I be better off to first try zipspeak?

    PS: I have not unwrapped the package yet so I can see your answers. Chuck Kyle
    

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Re: New to LINUX

[Janina Sajka]

Hi, Chuck:

Actually, you haven't given us enough information about yourself to let us
really advise you well. For example, do you have any experience using any
kind of unix? Did you use a shell account at one time? Where you once a
DOS user, or is all of your experience in Windows? Also, have you only the
one computer, or do you have a second computer and/or a device like a
Braille 'N Speak. Do you use some kind of refreshable braille display?  
If so, which one? Are you experienced in system installation and
configuration, even if it's only Windows? Or, are you an end user of
applications like mail and web browsers?''

Without this kind of information it's hard to tell you either to return
the Suse, or to go ahead and crack it open. Please recognize that you did
not ask us how to get linux working with speech. You have already made
some decisions, so our natural response will be to honor your perogative
to make decisions for yourself, even if they might not seem to be
particularly good decisions. In other words, how and why did you choose
Suse? Do you actually know what you're doing? Or was that some kind of
stab in the dark?

Having said this, let me now take up your questions:

On Mon, 31 Dec 2001, Chuck Kyle wrote:

> Greetings,
>     I am a JAWS user with a Gateway Celeron and usb connections. I have purchased a SUSE LINUX software package. I would appreciate answers to these questions:
>     1. When will Tuxtalk be available?
JS: Maybe never, and almost certainly not in 2002;

>     2. What is the general price range for a hardware synthesizer?
JS: Anywhere from around $270 to around $1,200.


>     3. Does this software help solve installation probvlems?
JS: What software? It's hard to believe you're referring to Suse linux 
when you say "this software;"

>     4. What synthesizer will connect properly with my system?
JS: USB connections are not currently supported. You need a serial speech 
synthesizer. Here's the current list of synths supported by Speakup:

            Accent SA                               ACNTSA
            Accent PC                               ACNTPC
            Apollo                                  APOLO
            Audaptor                                AUDPTR
            All Blazie products                     BNS
            DEC Talk Express                        DECTLK
            DEC Talk External                       DECEXT
            Doubletalk internal (isa card)          DTLK
            External, serial Litetalk or Doubletalk LTLK
            Speak Out                               SPKOUT
            Artic Transport                         TXPRT

>     5. Would I be better off to first try zipspeak?
JS: Very possibly. But, you'll still need a hardware synth.

> 
>     PS: I have not unwrapped the package yet so I can see your answers. Chuck Kyle
JS: I don't understand this PS at all. What does the shrinkwrap on the 
Suse have to do with "seeing" our answers? Do you mean you are planning to 
blow away your Windows installation when you install linux? Not that we're 
against deleting Wi9ndows from computers, but this might seem a bit 
drastic to many of us.


>     
> 

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp

Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp

Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp

Re: New to LINUX

[Jason Symes]

Being a new user myself, I can answer a few of your questions, but I'll
leave a couple to the experts on this list. I'll answer your questions
directly, the answer immediately after your question.
At 09:12 AM 12/31/01 -0500, you wrote:
>   Greetings,     I am a JAWS user with a Gateway  Celeron and usb
>connections. I have purchased a SUSE LINUX software package. I  would
>appreciate answers to these questions:     1. When will Tuxtalk be 
>available?
I have no clue. Experts?
     2. What is the general price  range for a hardware
>synthesizer?
It depends whether your looking for something for internal or external
connection. I'm partial to the DoubleTalk line from RcSystems myself, both
for their reliability, low price, and high quality. You can find details
about the DoubleTalk Pc and DoubleTalk Lt at:
http://www.rcsys.com
There's also another products called TrippleTalk, in both a pci internal
card and usb connection models, but I can't remember the web site for that
off the top of my head. The nice thing is all of these synths cost about or
under $400.
     3. Does this software help solve  installation probvlems?
Not sure. Experts? 
>   4. What synthesizer will connect  properly with my system?
It all depends on the type and age of your system. The Doubletalk pc is an
ISA board for older machines, the DoubleTalk Lt connects to a standard
9-pin serial port, Trippletalk Pci connects to a pci slot on recently built
computers, and the trippletalk usb connects to the usb port on your
computer. However, connecting a synth to a port makes the synth a tad less
responsive than its internal card counterpart, so I'd go with an internal
synth if possible.
     5. Would I be better off to  first try zipspeak?
Being a new user still testing out linux, I'd say yes. That way, at first,
you don't have to monkey around with partitioning a drive or buying a
second drive, you can get your feet wet to see if you like linux before you
waste the money on something you won't.
       PS: I have not unwrapped the 
>package yet so I can see your answers. Chuck Kyle      
Jason Symes

Re: New to LINUX

[Gregory Nowak]

On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 10:40:35AM -0600, Jason Symes wrote:
> There's also another products called TrippleTalk, in both a pci internal
> card and usb connection models ... 
Janina mentioned this emplicitly in her post, but let me be explecit that you don't want to buy the trippletalk, because it *will not* work with speakup.
Greg

Re: New to LINUX

[Jason Symes]

Yes, I remembered this after I sent the message, and forgive me for the
error. I'm still trying to get used to speakup and linux, and I'm getting
Windows things confused with it. Sorry.
At 11:56 AM 12/31/01 -0600, you wrote:
>On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 10:40:35AM -0600, Jason Symes wrote:
>> There's also another products called TrippleTalk, in both a pci internal
>> card and usb connection models ... 
>Janina mentioned this emplicitly in her post, but let me be explecit that
you don't want to buy the trippletalk, because it *will not* work with
speakup.
>Greg
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
Jason Symes

Re: New to LINUX

[Thomas Ward]

One correction, Janina.

JS: USB connections are not currently supported. You need a serial speech
synthesizer. Here's the current list of synths supported by Speakup:


"A friend and I have been able to use a usb to serial convertion cable to
rout our Dectalk's and Braille n Speaks through a usb port under Red Hat
7.2, and it has worked fine with Speakup.
Although the synths are serial it is possible to rout them through U
SB ports if necessary.



----- Original Message -----
From: Janina Sajka <janina@afb.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Cc: Chuck Kyle <chuckk@exis.net>
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: New to LINUX


> Hi, Chuck:
>
> Actually, you haven't given us enough information about yourself to let us
> really advise you well. For example, do you have any experience using any
> kind of unix? Did you use a shell account at one time? Where you once a
> DOS user, or is all of your experience in Windows? Also, have you only the
> one computer, or do you have a second computer and/or a device like a
> Braille 'N Speak. Do you use some kind of refreshable braille display?
> If so, which one? Are you experienced in system installation and
> configuration, even if it's only Windows? Or, are you an end user of
> applications like mail and web browsers?''
>
> Without this kind of information it's hard to tell you either to return
> the Suse, or to go ahead and crack it open. Please recognize that you did
> not ask us how to get linux working with speech. You have already made
> some decisions, so our natural response will be to honor your perogative
> to make decisions for yourself, even if they might not seem to be
> particularly good decisions. In other words, how and why did you choose
> Suse? Do you actually know what you're doing? Or was that some kind of
> stab in the dark?
>
> Having said this, let me now take up your questions:
>
> On Mon, 31 Dec 2001, Chuck Kyle wrote:
>
> > Greetings,
> >     I am a JAWS user with a Gateway Celeron and usb connections. I have
purchased a SUSE LINUX software package. I would appreciate answers to these
questions:
> >     1. When will Tuxtalk be available?
> JS: Maybe never, and almost certainly not in 2002;
>
> >     2. What is the general price range for a hardware synthesizer?
> JS: Anywhere from around $270 to around $1,200.
>
>
> >     3. Does this software help solve installation probvlems?
> JS: What software? It's hard to believe you're referring to Suse linux
> when you say "this software;"
>
> >     4. What synthesizer will connect properly with my system?
> JS: USB connections are not currently supported. You need a serial speech
> synthesizer. Here's the current list of synths supported by Speakup:
>
>             Accent SA                               ACNTSA
>             Accent PC                               ACNTPC
>             Apollo                                  APOLO
>             Audaptor                                AUDPTR
>             All Blazie products                     BNS
>             DEC Talk Express                        DECTLK
>             DEC Talk External                       DECEXT
>             Doubletalk internal (isa card)          DTLK
>             External, serial Litetalk or Doubletalk LTLK
>             Speak Out                               SPKOUT
>             Artic Transport                         TXPRT
>
> >     5. Would I be better off to first try zipspeak?
> JS: Very possibly. But, you'll still need a hardware synth.
>
> >
> >     PS: I have not unwrapped the package yet so I can see your answers.
Chuck Kyle
> JS: I don't understand this PS at all. What does the shrinkwrap on the
> Suse have to do with "seeing" our answers? Do you mean you are planning to
> blow away your Windows installation when you install linux? Not that we're
> against deleting Wi9ndows from computers, but this might seem a bit
> drastic to many of us.
>
>
> >
> >
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
>
> Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
>
> Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
>
> Learn how to make accessible software at
> http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: New to LINUX

[Gregory Nowak]

How did you do that since speakup needs the synth to be active at boot up? I've been trying to figure a way to do this for a long time, and couldn't. Could you please share, I'd be very, very, interested.
Greg

On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 03:44:21PM -0500, Thomas Ward wrote:
> One correction, Janina.
> 
> JS: USB connections are not currently supported. You need a serial speech
> synthesizer. Here's the current list of synths supported by Speakup:
> 
> 
> "A friend and I have been able to use a usb to serial convertion cable to
> rout our Dectalk's and Braille n Speaks through a usb port under Red Hat
> 7.2, and it has worked fine with Speakup.
> Although the synths are serial it is possible to rout them through U
> SB ports if necessary.
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Janina Sajka <janina@afb.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Cc: Chuck Kyle <chuckk@exis.net>
> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 11:34 AM
> Subject: Re: New to LINUX
> 
> 
> > Hi, Chuck:
> >
> > Actually, you haven't given us enough information about yourself to let us
> > really advise you well. For example, do you have any experience using any
> > kind of unix? Did you use a shell account at one time? Where you once a
> > DOS user, or is all of your experience in Windows? Also, have you only the
> > one computer, or do you have a second computer and/or a device like a
> > Braille 'N Speak. Do you use some kind of refreshable braille display?
> > If so, which one? Are you experienced in system installation and
> > configuration, even if it's only Windows? Or, are you an end user of
> > applications like mail and web browsers?''
> >
> > Without this kind of information it's hard to tell you either to return
> > the Suse, or to go ahead and crack it open. Please recognize that you did
> > not ask us how to get linux working with speech. You have already made
> > some decisions, so our natural response will be to honor your perogative
> > to make decisions for yourself, even if they might not seem to be
> > particularly good decisions. In other words, how and why did you choose
> > Suse? Do you actually know what you're doing? Or was that some kind of
> > stab in the dark?
> >
> > Having said this, let me now take up your questions:
> >
> > On Mon, 31 Dec 2001, Chuck Kyle wrote:
> >
> > > Greetings,
> > >     I am a JAWS user with a Gateway Celeron and usb connections. I have
> purchased a SUSE LINUX software package. I would appreciate answers to these
> questions:
> > >     1. When will Tuxtalk be available?
> > JS: Maybe never, and almost certainly not in 2002;
> >
> > >     2. What is the general price range for a hardware synthesizer?
> > JS: Anywhere from around $270 to around $1,200.
> >
> >
> > >     3. Does this software help solve installation probvlems?
> > JS: What software? It's hard to believe you're referring to Suse linux
> > when you say "this software;"
> >
> > >     4. What synthesizer will connect properly with my system?
> > JS: USB connections are not currently supported. You need a serial speech
> > synthesizer. Here's the current list of synths supported by Speakup:
> >
> >             Accent SA                               ACNTSA
> >             Accent PC                               ACNTPC
> >             Apollo                                  APOLO
> >             Audaptor                                AUDPTR
> >             All Blazie products                     BNS
> >             DEC Talk Express                        DECTLK
> >             DEC Talk External                       DECEXT
> >             Doubletalk internal (isa card)          DTLK
> >             External, serial Litetalk or Doubletalk LTLK
> >             Speak Out                               SPKOUT
> >             Artic Transport                         TXPRT
> >
> > >     5. Would I be better off to first try zipspeak?
> > JS: Very possibly. But, you'll still need a hardware synth.
> >
> > >
> > >     PS: I have not unwrapped the package yet so I can see your answers.
> Chuck Kyle
> > JS: I don't understand this PS at all. What does the shrinkwrap on the
> > Suse have to do with "seeing" our answers? Do you mean you are planning to
> > blow away your Windows installation when you install linux? Not that we're
> > against deleting Wi9ndows from computers, but this might seem a bit
> > drastic to many of us.
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> >
> > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> >
> > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> >
> > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: New to LINUX

[Thomas Ward]

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Hi, Chuck. My answers are below in the body of your message.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Chuck Kyle 
  To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca 
  Cc: Chuck Kyle 
  Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 9:12 AM
  Subject: New to LINUX


  Greetings,
      I am a JAWS user with a Gateway Celeron and usb connections. I have purchased a SUSE LINUX software package. I would appreciate answers to these questions:

  Question of my own. Do you have any serial connections at all or only USB ports?

      1. When will Tuxtalk be available?

  I don't know the answer to this one.

      2. What is the general price range for a hardware synthesizer?

  Well, it all depends on what you are looking for. If you want an internal Doubletalk it is ruffly $250, and the Doubletalk LT is about $300. Most synths that I know of are around $1000 in price.
  If you do get a serial synth and USB is your only connection Belkin offers a USB tpo serial converter which a friend and have tried with some success under Red hat.

      3. Does this software help solve installation probvlems?

  What software are you asking about? Linux? Well if it is Linux the best way to be prepared is to read documentation, studdy the instalation guides, and then prepare for that install. Also Get a vary specific list of hardware on your computer, and back it up on a floppy.

      4. What synthesizer will connect properly with my system?

  Hmmm.... the Speakup web site has a list of supported synths. If you have USB ports only then a USB to serial converter is required, or install an internal synth like the Doubletalk. However, I believe Doubletalk still requires an isa slot, and many new computers don't have them either.
  Be careful with the USB converter idea because it is tricky. I've only been able to retrieve results with RH 7.2 and not with any other distribution.
  Thus it is is to be conciddered experimental only at this point.

      5. Would I be better off to first try zipspeak?
   
  That's possible. Many of us started on Zipspeak, and then moved on to big and full distributions. 
  However, if you want to play with a full distribution you might want to try Slackware 8 which comes with Speakup built in, or Red hat 7.2 which there is a distribution of it modified on the Speakup site.
  If you can't afford or are not able to go with hardware synth don't feel bad. You are not out of luck.
  There is a screen reader that operates through Emacs called Emacspeak 15 which does offer software speech.
  Also Gnopernicus which will be out later this coming year will also support software speech.



      PS: I have not unwrapped the package yet so I can see your answers. Chuck Kyle
      

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Re: New to LINUX

[Thomas Ward]

Hi, it is a Belkin USB to serial convertor. I'd be happy to look up the part
number if you want.

Ok, as for the procedure you need USB support built into your kernel and
you'd enter a line such as this.

speakupp_synth=synthname speakup_ser=portname

It takes some playing around with to find the correct serial port that the
USB port is using.
<My friend and I are hoping to put out a document howto on it sometime in
the next couple of weeks.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gregory Nowak <gnowak1@uic.edu>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: New to LINUX


>
> How did you do that since speakup needs the synth to be active at boot up?
I've been trying to figure a way to do this for a long time, and couldn't.
Could you please share, I'd be very, very, interested.
> Greg
>
> On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 03:44:21PM -0500, Thomas Ward wrote:
> > One correction, Janina.
> >
> > JS: USB connections are not currently supported. You need a serial
speech
> > synthesizer. Here's the current list of synths supported by Speakup:
> >
> >
> > "A friend and I have been able to use a usb to serial convertion cable
to
> > rout our Dectalk's and Braille n Speaks through a usb port under Red Hat
> > 7.2, and it has worked fine with Speakup.
> > Although the synths are serial it is possible to rout them through U
> > SB ports if necessary.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Janina Sajka <janina@afb.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Cc: Chuck Kyle <chuckk@exis.net>
> > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 11:34 AM
> > Subject: Re: New to LINUX
> >
> >
> > > Hi, Chuck:
> > >
> > > Actually, you haven't given us enough information about yourself to
let us
> > > really advise you well. For example, do you have any experience using
any
> > > kind of unix? Did you use a shell account at one time? Where you once
a
> > > DOS user, or is all of your experience in Windows? Also, have you only
the
> > > one computer, or do you have a second computer and/or a device like a
> > > Braille 'N Speak. Do you use some kind of refreshable braille display?
> > > If so, which one? Are you experienced in system installation and
> > > configuration, even if it's only Windows? Or, are you an end user of
> > > applications like mail and web browsers?''
> > >
> > > Without this kind of information it's hard to tell you either to
return
> > > the Suse, or to go ahead and crack it open. Please recognize that you
did
> > > not ask us how to get linux working with speech. You have already made
> > > some decisions, so our natural response will be to honor your
perogative
> > > to make decisions for yourself, even if they might not seem to be
> > > particularly good decisions. In other words, how and why did you
choose
> > > Suse? Do you actually know what you're doing? Or was that some kind of
> > > stab in the dark?
> > >
> > > Having said this, let me now take up your questions:
> > >
> > > On Mon, 31 Dec 2001, Chuck Kyle wrote:
> > >
> > > > Greetings,
> > > >     I am a JAWS user with a Gateway Celeron and usb connections. I
have
> > purchased a SUSE LINUX software package. I would appreciate answers to
these
> > questions:
> > > >     1. When will Tuxtalk be available?
> > > JS: Maybe never, and almost certainly not in 2002;
> > >
> > > >     2. What is the general price range for a hardware synthesizer?
> > > JS: Anywhere from around $270 to around $1,200.
> > >
> > >
> > > >     3. Does this software help solve installation probvlems?
> > > JS: What software? It's hard to believe you're referring to Suse linux
> > > when you say "this software;"
> > >
> > > >     4. What synthesizer will connect properly with my system?
> > > JS: USB connections are not currently supported. You need a serial
speech
> > > synthesizer. Here's the current list of synths supported by Speakup:
> > >
> > >             Accent SA                               ACNTSA
> > >             Accent PC                               ACNTPC
> > >             Apollo                                  APOLO
> > >             Audaptor                                AUDPTR
> > >             All Blazie products                     BNS
> > >             DEC Talk Express                        DECTLK
> > >             DEC Talk External                       DECEXT
> > >             Doubletalk internal (isa card)          DTLK
> > >             External, serial Litetalk or Doubletalk LTLK
> > >             Speak Out                               SPKOUT
> > >             Artic Transport                         TXPRT
> > >
> > > >     5. Would I be better off to first try zipspeak?
> > > JS: Very possibly. But, you'll still need a hardware synth.
> > >
> > > >
> > > >     PS: I have not unwrapped the package yet so I can see your
answers.
> > Chuck Kyle
> > > JS: I don't understand this PS at all. What does the shrinkwrap on the
> > > Suse have to do with "seeing" our answers? Do you mean you are
planning to
> > > blow away your Windows installation when you install linux? Not that
we're
> > > against deleting Wi9ndows from computers, but this might seem a bit
> > > drastic to many of us.
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > Technology Research and Development
> > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > >
> > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > >
> > > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > http://www.openebook.org
> > >
> > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> > >
> > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> > >
> > > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: New to LINUX

[Gregory Nowak]

Yes, I've got the same belkin converter that has one 9 pin serial port.
I have 2 serial ports, so I thout the converter would be the third one, but I didn't get anything out of it.
Greg


On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 05:27:32PM -0500, Thomas Ward wrote:
> Hi, it is a Belkin USB to serial convertor. I'd be happy to look up the part
> number if you want.
> 
> Ok, as for the procedure you need USB support built into your kernel and
> you'd enter a line such as this.
> 
> speakupp_synth=synthname speakup_ser=portname
> 
> It takes some playing around with to find the correct serial port that the
> USB port is using.
> <My friend and I are hoping to put out a document howto on it sometime in
> the next couple of weeks.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gregory Nowak <gnowak1@uic.edu>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 3:57 PM
> Subject: Re: New to LINUX
> 
> 
> >
> > How did you do that since speakup needs the synth to be active at boot up?
> I've been trying to figure a way to do this for a long time, and couldn't.
> Could you please share, I'd be very, very, interested.
> > Greg
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 03:44:21PM -0500, Thomas Ward wrote:
> > > One correction, Janina.
> > >
> > > JS: USB connections are not currently supported. You need a serial
> speech
> > > synthesizer. Here's the current list of synths supported by Speakup:
> > >
> > >
> > > "A friend and I have been able to use a usb to serial convertion cable
> to
> > > rout our Dectalk's and Braille n Speaks through a usb port under Red Hat
> > > 7.2, and it has worked fine with Speakup.
> > > Although the synths are serial it is possible to rout them through U
> > > SB ports if necessary.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Janina Sajka <janina@afb.net>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Cc: Chuck Kyle <chuckk@exis.net>
> > > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 11:34 AM
> > > Subject: Re: New to LINUX
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi, Chuck:
> > > >
> > > > Actually, you haven't given us enough information about yourself to
> let us
> > > > really advise you well. For example, do you have any experience using
> any
> > > > kind of unix? Did you use a shell account at one time? Where you once
> a
> > > > DOS user, or is all of your experience in Windows? Also, have you only
> the
> > > > one computer, or do you have a second computer and/or a device like a
> > > > Braille 'N Speak. Do you use some kind of refreshable braille display?
> > > > If so, which one? Are you experienced in system installation and
> > > > configuration, even if it's only Windows? Or, are you an end user of
> > > > applications like mail and web browsers?''
> > > >
> > > > Without this kind of information it's hard to tell you either to
> return
> > > > the Suse, or to go ahead and crack it open. Please recognize that you
> did
> > > > not ask us how to get linux working with speech. You have already made
> > > > some decisions, so our natural response will be to honor your
> perogative
> > > > to make decisions for yourself, even if they might not seem to be
> > > > particularly good decisions. In other words, how and why did you
> choose
> > > > Suse? Do you actually know what you're doing? Or was that some kind of
> > > > stab in the dark?
> > > >
> > > > Having said this, let me now take up your questions:
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 31 Dec 2001, Chuck Kyle wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Greetings,
> > > > >     I am a JAWS user with a Gateway Celeron and usb connections. I
> have
> > > purchased a SUSE LINUX software package. I would appreciate answers to
> these
> > > questions:
> > > > >     1. When will Tuxtalk be available?
> > > > JS: Maybe never, and almost certainly not in 2002;
> > > >
> > > > >     2. What is the general price range for a hardware synthesizer?
> > > > JS: Anywhere from around $270 to around $1,200.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >     3. Does this software help solve installation probvlems?
> > > > JS: What software? It's hard to believe you're referring to Suse linux
> > > > when you say "this software;"
> > > >
> > > > >     4. What synthesizer will connect properly with my system?
> > > > JS: USB connections are not currently supported. You need a serial
> speech
> > > > synthesizer. Here's the current list of synths supported by Speakup:
> > > >
> > > >             Accent SA                               ACNTSA
> > > >             Accent PC                               ACNTPC
> > > >             Apollo                                  APOLO
> > > >             Audaptor                                AUDPTR
> > > >             All Blazie products                     BNS
> > > >             DEC Talk Express                        DECTLK
> > > >             DEC Talk External                       DECEXT
> > > >             Doubletalk internal (isa card)          DTLK
> > > >             External, serial Litetalk or Doubletalk LTLK
> > > >             Speak Out                               SPKOUT
> > > >             Artic Transport                         TXPRT
> > > >
> > > > >     5. Would I be better off to first try zipspeak?
> > > > JS: Very possibly. But, you'll still need a hardware synth.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >     PS: I have not unwrapped the package yet so I can see your
> answers.
> > > Chuck Kyle
> > > > JS: I don't understand this PS at all. What does the shrinkwrap on the
> > > > Suse have to do with "seeing" our answers? Do you mean you are
> planning to
> > > > blow away your Windows installation when you install linux? Not that
> we're
> > > > against deleting Wi9ndows from computers, but this might seem a bit
> > > > drastic to many of us.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > > Technology Research and Development
> > > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > > >
> > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > > >
> > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > > http://www.openebook.org
> > > >
> > > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> > > >
> > > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> > > >
> > > > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > > > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: New to LINUX

[Geoff Shang]

On Mon, 31 Dec 2001, Chuck Kyle wrote:

>     1. When will Tuxtalk be available?

TuxTalk's availability is off the horizon at present.  2 things need to
happen before it can be used with speakup:

1.  The architecture of speakup needs to be changed so that synth drivers
can be loaded as modules.  This is needed because the TuxTalk software will
need to load later in the boot process.  Note that this is a very big job
and will take some time to get done.

2.  The speech output needs to be improved.  Take it from me, it sounds
pretty average right now.  If you haven't heard it, grab it from CVS or try
installing the rsynth package (I know Debian packages it).  If anyone knows
of developers with speech synthesis knowledge, we'd like to talk to them.

Of course, point 2 above is more a cosmetic thing than a necessity, but
trust me, you don't really want to use it as it is.

Geoff.

Re: New to LINUX

[Geoff Shang]

Hi:

Let me emphasize this point about the trippletalk.  It cannot be used with
speakup.  And unless and until the trippletalk folks decide to be more
forth-coming with specs for their products (i.e. they stop iinsisting on a
non-disclosure agreement), the trippletalk will remain unsupported.  Of
course, this is stupidity on the part of a hardware manufacturer as wider
support means greater product sales, but a number of hardware manufacturers
just don't seem to get it.

Geoff.

Re: New to LINUX

[Janina Sajka]

Stupidity for sure. Since there's absolutely nothing for them to lose, 
this is the only word for it.

On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Geoff Shang wrote:

> Hi:
> 
> Let me emphasize this point about the trippletalk.  It cannot be used with
> speakup.  And unless and until the trippletalk folks decide to be more
> forth-coming with specs for their products (i.e. they stop iinsisting on a
> non-disclosure agreement), the trippletalk will remain unsupported.  Of
> course, this is stupidity on the part of a hardware manufacturer as wider
> support means greater product sales, but a number of hardware manufacturers
> just don't seem to get it.
> 
> Geoff.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp

Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp

Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp

Re: New to LINUX

[Thomas Ward]

Agreed. It is the same way about Win modems. They all could be supported if
the hhardware manufacturers got their head out of the sand and see more and
more people are trying out Linux.

----- Original Message -----
From: Janina Sajka <janina@afb.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: New to LINUX


> Stupidity for sure. Since there's absolutely nothing for them to lose,
> this is the only word for it.
>
> On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Geoff Shang wrote:
>
> > Hi:
> >
> > Let me emphasize this point about the trippletalk.  It cannot be used
with
> > speakup.  And unless and until the trippletalk folks decide to be more
> > forth-coming with specs for their products (i.e. they stop iinsisting on
a
> > non-disclosure agreement), the trippletalk will remain unsupported.  Of
> > course, this is stupidity on the part of a hardware manufacturer as
wider
> > support means greater product sales, but a number of hardware
manufacturers
> > just don't seem to get it.
> >
> > Geoff.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
>
> Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
>
> Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
>
> Learn how to make accessible software at
> http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: New to LINUX

[Jason Symes]

That's too bad too, because I almost bought one when I bought my computer,
but I was more familiar with the Doubltalk line so I stuck with it. I'm
glad I did, or I'd be out of trying linux.
At 09:07 PM 12/31/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Stupidity for sure. Since there's absolutely nothing for them to lose, 
>this is the only word for it.
>
>On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Geoff Shang wrote:
>
>> Hi:
>> 
>> Let me emphasize this point about the trippletalk.  It cannot be used with
>> speakup.  And unless and until the trippletalk folks decide to be more
>> forth-coming with specs for their products (i.e. they stop iinsisting on a
>> non-disclosure agreement), the trippletalk will remain unsupported.  Of
>> course, this is stupidity on the part of a hardware manufacturer as wider
>> support means greater product sales, but a number of hardware manufacturers
>> just don't seem to get it.
>> 
>> Geoff.
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> 
>
>-- 
>	
>				Janina Sajka, Director
>				Technology Research and Development
>				Governmental Relations Group
>				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
>Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
>Chair, Accessibility SIG
>Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
>http://www.openebook.org
>
>Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
>Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
>
>Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
>King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
>http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
>
>Learn how to make accessible software at
>http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
Jason Symes

Re: New to LINUX

[Jason Symes]

Hi Thomas.
While answering Chuck's question about trying zipspeak, you made the
statement:
That's possible. Many of us started on Zipspeak,
>   and then moved on to big and full distributions.    However, if you want
>to play with a full    distribution you might want to try Slackware 8 which
>comes with Speakup built    in, or Red hat 7.2 which there is a
>distribution of it modified on the Speakup    site.

Where can I find this version of Slackware 8 that has speakup already built
in?
tia

Jason Symes

Re: New to LINUX

[Gregory Nowak]

ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-8.0/iso/install.iso
Greg

On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 09:29:41PM -0600, Jason Symes wrote:
> Hi Thomas.
> While answering Chuck's question about trying zipspeak, you made the
> statement:
> That's possible. Many of us started on Zipspeak,
> >   and then moved on to big and full distributions.    However, if you want
> >to play with a full    distribution you might want to try Slackware 8 which
> >comes with Speakup built    in, or Red hat 7.2 which there is a
> >distribution of it modified on the Speakup    site.
> 
> Where can I find this version of Slackware 8 that has speakup already built
> in?
> tia
> 
> Jason Symes
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: New to LINUX

[Jason Symes]

But that's a version of Slackware 8 without Speakup installed aready, isn't
it? I'm asking about the version that Thomas mentioned that had Speakup
already installed.
At 10:45 PM 12/31/01 -0600, you wrote:
>ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-8.0/iso/install.iso
>Greg
>
>On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 09:29:41PM -0600, Jason Symes wrote:
>> Hi Thomas.
>> While answering Chuck's question about trying zipspeak, you made the
>> statement:
>> That's possible. Many of us started on Zipspeak,
>> >   and then moved on to big and full distributions.    However, if you
want
>> >to play with a full    distribution you might want to try Slackware 8
which
>> >comes with Speakup built    in, or Red hat 7.2 which there is a
>> >distribution of it modified on the Speakup    site.
>> 
>> Where can I find this version of Slackware 8 that has speakup already built
>> in?
>> tia
>> 
>> Jason Symes
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
Jason Symes

Re: New to LINUX

[Gregory Nowak]

Yes, this is slackware 8 with speakup installed.
Greg


On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 10:54:53PM -0600, Jason Symes wrote:
> But that's a version of Slackware 8 without Speakup installed aready, isn't
> it? I'm asking about the version that Thomas mentioned that had Speakup
> already installed.
> At 10:45 PM 12/31/01 -0600, you wrote:
> >ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-8.0/iso/install.iso
> >Greg
> >
> >On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 09:29:41PM -0600, Jason Symes wrote:
> >> Hi Thomas.
> >> While answering Chuck's question about trying zipspeak, you made the
> >> statement:
> >> That's possible. Many of us started on Zipspeak,
> >> >   and then moved on to big and full distributions.    However, if you
> want
> >> >to play with a full    distribution you might want to try Slackware 8
> which
> >> >comes with Speakup built    in, or Red hat 7.2 which there is a
> >> >distribution of it modified on the Speakup    site.
> >> 
> >> Where can I find this version of Slackware 8 that has speakup already built
> >> in?
> >> tia
> >> 
> >> Jason Symes
> >> 
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> Jason Symes
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: New to LINUX

[Jason Symes]

It is? Thanks!
At 11:00 PM 12/31/01 -0600, you wrote:
>Yes, this is slackware 8 with speakup installed.
>Greg
>
>
>On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 10:54:53PM -0600, Jason Symes wrote:
>> But that's a version of Slackware 8 without Speakup installed aready, isn't
>> it? I'm asking about the version that Thomas mentioned that had Speakup
>> already installed.
>> At 10:45 PM 12/31/01 -0600, you wrote:
>> >ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-8.0/iso/install.iso
>> >Greg
>> >
>> >On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 09:29:41PM -0600, Jason Symes wrote:
>> >> Hi Thomas.
>> >> While answering Chuck's question about trying zipspeak, you made the
>> >> statement:
>> >> That's possible. Many of us started on Zipspeak,
>> >> >   and then moved on to big and full distributions.    However, if you
>> want
>> >> >to play with a full    distribution you might want to try Slackware 8
>> which
>> >> >comes with Speakup built    in, or Red hat 7.2 which there is a
>> >> >distribution of it modified on the Speakup    site.
>> >> 
>> >> Where can I find this version of Slackware 8 that has speakup already
built
>> >> in?
>> >> tia
>> >> 
>> >> Jason Symes
>> >> 
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Speakup mailing list
>> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >
>> >_______________________________________________
>> >Speakup mailing list
>> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >
>> Jason Symes
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
Jason Symes

Re: New to LINUX

[Thomas Ward]

Hi all versions of Slackware 8.0 has speakup in them. Red Hat 7.2 which is
really good for newbies has a modified set of cd iso images at:
ftp://linux-speakup.org/pub/speakup/disks/redhat/7.2/

----- Original Message -----
From: Jason Symes <jsymes@netins.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: New to LINUX


> But that's a version of Slackware 8 without Speakup installed aready,
isn't
> it? I'm asking about the version that Thomas mentioned that had Speakup
> already installed.
> At 10:45 PM 12/31/01 -0600, you wrote:
> >ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-8.0/iso/install.iso
> >Greg
> >
> >On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 09:29:41PM -0600, Jason Symes wrote:
> >> Hi Thomas.
> >> While answering Chuck's question about trying zipspeak, you made the
> >> statement:
> >> That's possible. Many of us started on Zipspeak,
> >> >   and then moved on to big and full distributions.    However, if you
> want
> >> >to play with a full    distribution you might want to try Slackware 8
> which
> >> >comes with Speakup built    in, or Red hat 7.2 which there is a
> >> >distribution of it modified on the Speakup    site.
> >>
> >> Where can I find this version of Slackware 8 that has speakup already
built
> >> in?
> >> tia
> >>
> >> Jason Symes
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> Jason Symes
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: New to LINUX

[Jason Symes]

Thanks for the info. I'll consider rh.
At 03:03 AM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi all versions of Slackware 8.0 has speakup in them. Red Hat 7.2 which is
>really good for newbies has a modified set of cd iso images at:
>ftp://linux-speakup.org/pub/speakup/disks/redhat/7.2/
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Jason Symes <jsymes@netins.net>
>To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 11:54 PM
>Subject: Re: New to LINUX
>
>
>> But that's a version of Slackware 8 without Speakup installed aready,
>isn't
>> it? I'm asking about the version that Thomas mentioned that had Speakup
>> already installed.
>> At 10:45 PM 12/31/01 -0600, you wrote:
>> >ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-8.0/iso/install.iso
>> >Greg
>> >
>> >On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 09:29:41PM -0600, Jason Symes wrote:
>> >> Hi Thomas.
>> >> While answering Chuck's question about trying zipspeak, you made the
>> >> statement:
>> >> That's possible. Many of us started on Zipspeak,
>> >> >   and then moved on to big and full distributions.    However, if you
>> want
>> >> >to play with a full    distribution you might want to try Slackware 8
>> which
>> >> >comes with Speakup built    in, or Red hat 7.2 which there is a
>> >> >distribution of it modified on the Speakup    site.
>> >>
>> >> Where can I find this version of Slackware 8 that has speakup already
>built
>> >> in?
>> >> tia
>> >>
>> >> Jason Symes
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Speakup mailing list
>> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >
>> >_______________________________________________
>> >Speakup mailing list
>> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >
>> Jason Symes
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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Jason Symes

Re: New to LINUX

[Jason Symes]

Which file is the modified rh 7.2?
tia
At 02:10 AM 1/1/02 -0600, you wrote:
>Thanks for the info. I'll consider rh.
>At 03:03 AM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
>>Hi all versions of Slackware 8.0 has speakup in them. Red Hat 7.2 which is
>>really good for newbies has a modified set of cd iso images at:
>>ftp://linux-speakup.org/pub/speakup/disks/redhat/7.2/
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Jason Symes <jsymes@netins.net>
>>To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>>Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 11:54 PM
>>Subject: Re: New to LINUX
>>
>>
>>> But that's a version of Slackware 8 without Speakup installed aready,
>>isn't
>>> it? I'm asking about the version that Thomas mentioned that had Speakup
>>> already installed.
>>> At 10:45 PM 12/31/01 -0600, you wrote:
>>> >ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-8.0/iso/install.iso
>>> >Greg
>>> >
>>> >On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 09:29:41PM -0600, Jason Symes wrote:
>>> >> Hi Thomas.
>>> >> While answering Chuck's question about trying zipspeak, you made the
>>> >> statement:
>>> >> That's possible. Many of us started on Zipspeak,
>>> >> >   and then moved on to big and full distributions.    However, if you
>>> want
>>> >> >to play with a full    distribution you might want to try Slackware 8
>>> which
>>> >> >comes with Speakup built    in, or Red hat 7.2 which there is a
>>> >> >distribution of it modified on the Speakup    site.
>>> >>
>>> >> Where can I find this version of Slackware 8 that has speakup already
>>built
>>> >> in?
>>> >> tia
>>> >>
>>> >> Jason Symes
>>> >>
>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>> >> Speakup mailing list
>>> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>> >
>>> >_______________________________________________
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>>> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>> >
>>> Jason Symes
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>
>>
>>
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>>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>Jason Symes
>
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Jason Symes

Re: New to LINUX

[Jason Symes]

Ok, I think I found the files, but I want to be sure I download the correct
ones. In the red hat 7.2 directory, I found a folder named images, which
contained the files disk1.iso, disk2.iso, docs.iso, srpms1.iso, and
srpms2.iso. Are all of these required, or are some of these extras?

At 02:30 AM 1/1/02 -0600, you wrote:
>Which file is the modified rh 7.2?
>tia
>At 02:10 AM 1/1/02 -0600, you wrote:
>>Thanks for the info. I'll consider rh.
>>At 03:03 AM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
>>>Hi all versions of Slackware 8.0 has speakup in them. Red Hat 7.2 which is
>>>really good for newbies has a modified set of cd iso images at:
>>>ftp://linux-speakup.org/pub/speakup/disks/redhat/7.2/
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: Jason Symes <jsymes@netins.net>
>>>To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>>>Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 11:54 PM
>>>Subject: Re: New to LINUX
>>>
>>>
>>>> But that's a version of Slackware 8 without Speakup installed aready,
>>>isn't
>>>> it? I'm asking about the version that Thomas mentioned that had Speakup
>>>> already installed.
>>>> At 10:45 PM 12/31/01 -0600, you wrote:
>>>> >ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-8.0/iso/install.iso
>>>> >Greg
>>>> >
>>>> >On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 09:29:41PM -0600, Jason Symes wrote:
>>>> >> Hi Thomas.
>>>> >> While answering Chuck's question about trying zipspeak, you made the
>>>> >> statement:
>>>> >> That's possible. Many of us started on Zipspeak,
>>>> >> >   and then moved on to big and full distributions.    However, if
you
>>>> want
>>>> >> >to play with a full    distribution you might want to try Slackware 8
>>>> which
>>>> >> >comes with Speakup built    in, or Red hat 7.2 which there is a
>>>> >> >distribution of it modified on the Speakup    site.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Where can I find this version of Slackware 8 that has speakup already
>>>built
>>>> >> in?
>>>> >> tia
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Jason Symes
>>>> >>
>>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>>> >> Speakup mailing list
>>>> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>>> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>> >
>>>> >_______________________________________________
>>>> >Speakup mailing list
>>>> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>>> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>> >
>>>> Jason Symes
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Speakup mailing list
>>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>Speakup mailing list
>>>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>
>>Jason Symes
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Speakup mailing list
>>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>Jason Symes
>
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>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
Jason Symes

Re: New to LINUX

[Shaun Oliver]

I remember seeing a post a while ago stating that the tripletalk could
be used with it's sereal connection .
as long as u made think it was a doubletalk lt.
On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Geoff
Shang
wrote:

> Hi:
> 
> Let me emphasize this point about the trippletalk.  It cannot be used with
> speakup.  And unless and until the trippletalk folks decide to be more
> forth-coming with specs for their products (i.e. they stop iinsisting on a
> non-disclosure agreement), the trippletalk will remain unsupported.  Of
> course, this is stupidity on the part of a hardware manufacturer as wider
> support means greater product sales, but a number of hardware manufacturers
> just don't seem to get it.
> 
> Geoff.
> 
> 
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-- 
Shaun Oliver

Marriage is a three ring circus:
engagement ring, wedding ring, and suffering.
                -- Roger Price

Email: shauno@goanna.net.au
Icq: 76958435

Re: New to LINUX

[Shaun Oliver]

thomas,
even though more and more people are trying out linux, it does not take
away from the fact that mr average neither knows or cares about how his
system operates.
Until mr average starts to give a damn about the inner workings of his
computer and the various problems and solutions to said problems,
microsoft will always have the upper hand.
it appears to me that an even greater number of windows users still
don't want to know or give a damn how things work.
I meet with this kind of opposition everyday. the other people that use
computers that I closely associate with, namely my partner and her
father,
both point blank refuse to touch linux with a barge pole.
My partner's father is 1 of those users that knows enough about his
machine to get out of trouble. but doesn't care for the waw linux refers 
to ide or skuzzy devices nore the way everything needs to be setup by
hand.
Make no mistake about it, x isn't totally point and click and hope for
the best.
I feel it's better to get in there and swear and fart around a bit until 
you get the result you desire.
On Mon, 31 Dec 2001, Thomas Ward wrote:

> Agreed. It is the same way about Win modems. They all could be supported if
> the hhardware manufacturers got their head out of the sand and see more and
> more people are trying out Linux.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Janina Sajka <janina@afb.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 9:07 PM
> Subject: Re: New to LINUX
> 
> 
> > Stupidity for sure. Since there's absolutely nothing for them to lose,
> > this is the only word for it.
> >
> > On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Geoff Shang wrote:
> >
> > > Hi:
> > >
> > > Let me emphasize this point about the trippletalk.  It cannot be used
> with
> > > speakup.  And unless and until the trippletalk folks decide to be more
> > > forth-coming with specs for their products (i.e. they stop iinsisting on
> a
> > > non-disclosure agreement), the trippletalk will remain unsupported.  Of
> > > course, this is stupidity on the part of a hardware manufacturer as
> wider
> > > support means greater product sales, but a number of hardware
> manufacturers
> > > just don't seem to get it.
> > >
> > > Geoff.
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> >
> > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> >
> > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> >
> > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

-- 
Shaun Oliver

Marriage is a three ring circus:
engagement ring, wedding ring, and suffering.
                -- Roger Price

Email: shauno@goanna.net.au
Icq: 76958435

Re: New to LINUX

[Jason Symes]

I'm proud to say that I'm expanding my horizons beyond windows, and when I
graduate from college with at least an aa in networking, I'll be even more
valuable then my classmates that haven't tried any form of linux. I enjoy
my windows, but I also enjoy a bit of good, challenging change from the
fatal exception errors or the mainstream tech support idiots that think
they know a computer better than the experienced user.
At 09:40 PM 1/1/02 +1100, you wrote:
>thomas,
>even though more and more people are trying out linux, it does not take
>away from the fact that mr average neither knows or cares about how his
>system operates.
>Until mr average starts to give a damn about the inner workings of his
>computer and the various problems and solutions to said problems,
>microsoft will always have the upper hand.
>it appears to me that an even greater number of windows users still
>don't want to know or give a damn how things work.
>I meet with this kind of opposition everyday. the other people that use
>computers that I closely associate with, namely my partner and her
>father,
>both point blank refuse to touch linux with a barge pole.
>My partner's father is 1 of those users that knows enough about his
>machine to get out of trouble. but doesn't care for the waw linux refers 
>to ide or skuzzy devices nore the way everything needs to be setup by
>hand.
>Make no mistake about it, x isn't totally point and click and hope for
>the best.
>I feel it's better to get in there and swear and fart around a bit until 
>you get the result you desire.
>On Mon, 31 Dec 2001, Thomas Ward wrote:
>
>> Agreed. It is the same way about Win modems. They all could be supported if
>> the hhardware manufacturers got their head out of the sand and see more and
>> more people are trying out Linux.
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Janina Sajka <janina@afb.net>
>> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 9:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: New to LINUX
>> 
>> 
>> > Stupidity for sure. Since there's absolutely nothing for them to lose,
>> > this is the only word for it.
>> >
>> > On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Geoff Shang wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi:
>> > >
>> > > Let me emphasize this point about the trippletalk.  It cannot be used
>> with
>> > > speakup.  And unless and until the trippletalk folks decide to be more
>> > > forth-coming with specs for their products (i.e. they stop
iinsisting on
>> a
>> > > non-disclosure agreement), the trippletalk will remain unsupported.  Of
>> > > course, this is stupidity on the part of a hardware manufacturer as
>> wider
>> > > support means greater product sales, but a number of hardware
>> manufacturers
>> > > just don't seem to get it.
>> > >
>> > > Geoff.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > Speakup mailing list
>> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> > >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Janina Sajka, Director
>> > Technology Research and Development
>> > Governmental Relations Group
>> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>> >
>> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>> >
>> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
>> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
>> > http://www.openebook.org
>> >
>> > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
>> > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
>> >
>> > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
>> > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
>> > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
>> >
>> > Learn how to make accessible software at
>> > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Speakup mailing list
>> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> 
>
>-- 
>Shaun Oliver
>
>Marriage is a three ring circus:
>engagement ring, wedding ring, and suffering.
>                -- Roger Price
>
>Email: shauno@goanna.net.au
>Icq: 76958435
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
Jason Symes

Re: New to LINUX

[Shaun Oliver]

hahahahahahahahaha. maybe you could leave a few isp admins for dead
hehe.
On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:

> I'm proud to say that I'm expanding my horizons beyond windows, and when I
> graduate from college with at least an aa in networking, I'll be even more
> valuable then my classmates that haven't tried any form of linux. I enjoy
> my windows, but I also enjoy a bit of good, challenging change from the
> fatal exception errors or the mainstream tech support idiots that think
> they know a computer better than the experienced user.
> At 09:40 PM 1/1/02 +1100, you wrote:
> >thomas,
> >even though more and more people are trying out linux, it does not take
> >away from the fact that mr average neither knows or cares about how his
> >system operates.
> >Until mr average starts to give a damn about the inner workings of his
> >computer and the various problems and solutions to said problems,
> >microsoft will always have the upper hand.
> >it appears to me that an even greater number of windows users still
> >don't want to know or give a damn how things work.
> >I meet with this kind of opposition everyday. the other people that use
> >computers that I closely associate with, namely my partner and her
> >father,
> >both point blank refuse to touch linux with a barge pole.
> >My partner's father is 1 of those users that knows enough about his
> >machine to get out of trouble. but doesn't care for the waw linux refers 
> >to ide or skuzzy devices nore the way everything needs to be setup by
> >hand.
> >Make no mistake about it, x isn't totally point and click and hope for
> >the best.
> >I feel it's better to get in there and swear and fart around a bit until 
> >you get the result you desire.
> >On Mon, 31 Dec 2001, Thomas Ward wrote:
> >
> >> Agreed. It is the same way about Win modems. They all could be supported if
> >> the hhardware manufacturers got their head out of the sand and see more and
> >> more people are trying out Linux.
> >> 
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Janina Sajka <janina@afb.net>
> >> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> >> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 9:07 PM
> >> Subject: Re: New to LINUX
> >> 
> >> 
> >> > Stupidity for sure. Since there's absolutely nothing for them to lose,
> >> > this is the only word for it.
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Geoff Shang wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Hi:
> >> > >
> >> > > Let me emphasize this point about the trippletalk.  It cannot be used
> >> with
> >> > > speakup.  And unless and until the trippletalk folks decide to be more
> >> > > forth-coming with specs for their products (i.e. they stop
> iinsisting on
> >> a
> >> > > non-disclosure agreement), the trippletalk will remain unsupported.  Of
> >> > > course, this is stupidity on the part of a hardware manufacturer as
> >> wider
> >> > > support means greater product sales, but a number of hardware
> >> manufacturers
> >> > > just don't seem to get it.
> >> > >
> >> > > Geoff.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > _______________________________________________
> >> > > Speakup mailing list
> >> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> >
> >> > Janina Sajka, Director
> >> > Technology Research and Development
> >> > Governmental Relations Group
> >> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >> >
> >> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >> >
> >> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> >> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> >> > http://www.openebook.org
> >> >
> >> > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> >> > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> >> >
> >> > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> >> > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> >> > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> >> >
> >> > Learn how to make accessible software at
> >> > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > Speakup mailing list
> >> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> 
> >> 
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> 
> >
> >-- 
> >Shaun Oliver
> >
> >Marriage is a three ring circus:
> >engagement ring, wedding ring, and suffering.
> >                -- Roger Price
> >
> >Email: shauno@goanna.net.au
> >Icq: 76958435
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> Jason Symes
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

-- 
Shaun Oliver

Marriage is a three ring circus:
engagement ring, wedding ring, and suffering.
                -- Roger Price

Email: shauno@goanna.net.au
Icq: 76958435

Re: New to LINUX

[Janina Sajka]

Hi, Jason:

What can I say to make my point in just a few words? The links you found 
are only pointers to the actual iso files--what we call symbolic links. 
They are the result of my attempts to devise a means of streamlining the 
distribution both of these iso images and of some of the critical files 
within them, without requiring too many people make changes every time 
there's a new release. I tell you this because what you don't see looking 
at these symbolic links is how big the files actually are that you will be 
downloading. Essentially, each one is a packed CD ROM.

I don't say this to discourage you, only to inform you. In fact, if you're 
willing to work with a draft, you'll find a file called HOWTO-INSTALL.html 
in the redhat directory that answers your question about whether all of 
these files are necessary, and may answer many more questions that you 
have yet to ask. If you're willing to work with a prerelease draft, take 
a look at this file. Realize, please, that it isn't finished, and not all 
of the links work yet. But please do let me know if this HOWTO helps you 
understand what you need, where to get it, and how to go about putting it 
all together. That's what it's there for.

To the rest of the folks on this list, you're welcome to look there as 
well--though I hadn't planned on going live quite so quickly! <grin> 
Please do not broadcast it or distribute it yet, though. Give me a chance 
to finish it and get all the links working. But, please do tell me what 
you think.

Happy New Year, everyone.



 On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:

> Ok, I think I found the files, but I want to be sure I download the correct
> ones. In the red hat 7.2 directory, I found a folder named images, which
> contained the files disk1.iso, disk2.iso, docs.iso, srpms1.iso, and
> srpms2.iso. Are all of these required, or are some of these extras?
> 
> At 02:30 AM 1/1/02 -0600, you wrote:
> >Which file is the modified rh 7.2?
> >tia
> >At 02:10 AM 1/1/02 -0600, you wrote:
> >>Thanks for the info. I'll consider rh.
> >>At 03:03 AM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
> >>>Hi all versions of Slackware 8.0 has speakup in them. Red Hat 7.2 which is
> >>>really good for newbies has a modified set of cd iso images at:
> >>>ftp://linux-speakup.org/pub/speakup/disks/redhat/7.2/
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: Jason Symes <jsymes@netins.net>
> >>>To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> >>>Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 11:54 PM
> >>>Subject: Re: New to LINUX
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> But that's a version of Slackware 8 without Speakup installed aready,
> >>>isn't
> >>>> it? I'm asking about the version that Thomas mentioned that had Speakup
> >>>> already installed.
> >>>> At 10:45 PM 12/31/01 -0600, you wrote:
> >>>> >ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-8.0/iso/install.iso
> >>>> >Greg
> >>>> >
> >>>> >On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 09:29:41PM -0600, Jason Symes wrote:
> >>>> >> Hi Thomas.
> >>>> >> While answering Chuck's question about trying zipspeak, you made the
> >>>> >> statement:
> >>>> >> That's possible. Many of us started on Zipspeak,
> >>>> >> >   and then moved on to big and full distributions.    However, if
> you
> >>>> want
> >>>> >> >to play with a full    distribution you might want to try Slackware 8
> >>>> which
> >>>> >> >comes with Speakup built    in, or Red hat 7.2 which there is a
> >>>> >> >distribution of it modified on the Speakup    site.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Where can I find this version of Slackware 8 that has speakup already
> >>>built
> >>>> >> in?
> >>>> >> tia
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Jason Symes
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> _______________________________________________
> >>>> >> Speakup mailing list
> >>>> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >>>> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >>>> >
> >>>> >_______________________________________________
> >>>> >Speakup mailing list
> >>>> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >>>> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >>>> >
> >>>> Jason Symes
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Speakup mailing list
> >>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>_______________________________________________
> >>>Speakup mailing list
> >>>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >>>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >>>
> >>Jason Symes
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>Speakup mailing list
> >>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >>
> >Jason Symes
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> Jason Symes
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

-- 
	
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				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp

Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp

Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp

Re: New to LINUX

[Janina Sajka]

I'm going to try this. I'm ordering the USB TripleTalk with just this 
idea. I will report, though I don't think I'll have it in hand for another 
week or so.

 On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Shaun Oliver wrote:

> I remember seeing a post a while ago stating that the tripletalk could
> be used with it's sereal connection .
> as long as u made think it was a doubletalk lt.
> On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Geoff
> Shang
> wrote:
> 
> > Hi:
> > 
> > Let me emphasize this point about the trippletalk.  It cannot be used with
> > speakup.  And unless and until the trippletalk folks decide to be more
> > forth-coming with specs for their products (i.e. they stop iinsisting on a
> > non-disclosure agreement), the trippletalk will remain unsupported.  Of
> > course, this is stupidity on the part of a hardware manufacturer as wider
> > support means greater product sales, but a number of hardware manufacturers
> > just don't seem to get it.
> > 
> > Geoff.
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> 
> 

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp

Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp

Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp

Re: New to LINUX

[Pete]

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  Hi  Chuck
  Before you spend money on a synthasiser check to be sure you have an available slot or port for it.  Some mother boards don't have ISA slots any more and if they do there might be only 1 or 2 of them whith a modem or a NIC in it or it could be empty.  
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Re: New to LINUX

[Jason Symes]

I took a peak at the howto file, and, considering how I don't understand
the lingo of linux as well as in windows, it seemed fairly straight
forward. The only problem I had was with the boot disks stuff, but that
again is because I'm so used to the windows way of things.
At 11:04 AM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Hi, Jason:
>
>What can I say to make my point in just a few words? The links you found 
>are only pointers to the actual iso files--what we call symbolic links. 
>They are the result of my attempts to devise a means of streamlining the 
>distribution both of these iso images and of some of the critical files 
>within them, without requiring too many people make changes every time 
>there's a new release. I tell you this because what you don't see looking 
>at these symbolic links is how big the files actually are that you will be 
>downloading. Essentially, each one is a packed CD ROM.
>
>I don't say this to discourage you, only to inform you. In fact, if you're 
>willing to work with a draft, you'll find a file called HOWTO-INSTALL.html 
>in the redhat directory that answers your question about whether all of 
>these files are necessary, and may answer many more questions that you 
>have yet to ask. If you're willing to work with a prerelease draft, take 
>a look at this file. Realize, please, that it isn't finished, and not all 
>of the links work yet. But please do let me know if this HOWTO helps you 
>understand what you need, where to get it, and how to go about putting it 
>all together. That's what it's there for.
>
>To the rest of the folks on this list, you're welcome to look there as 
>well--though I hadn't planned on going live quite so quickly! <grin> 
>Please do not broadcast it or distribute it yet, though. Give me a chance 
>to finish it and get all the links working. But, please do tell me what 
>you think.
>
>Happy New Year, everyone.
>
>
>
> On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:
>
>> Ok, I think I found the files, but I want to be sure I download the correct
>> ones. In the red hat 7.2 directory, I found a folder named images, which
>> contained the files disk1.iso, disk2.iso, docs.iso, srpms1.iso, and
>> srpms2.iso. Are all of these required, or are some of these extras?
>> 
>> At 02:30 AM 1/1/02 -0600, you wrote:
>> >Which file is the modified rh 7.2?
>> >tia
>> >At 02:10 AM 1/1/02 -0600, you wrote:
>> >>Thanks for the info. I'll consider rh.
>> >>At 03:03 AM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
>> >>>Hi all versions of Slackware 8.0 has speakup in them. Red Hat 7.2
which is
>> >>>really good for newbies has a modified set of cd iso images at:
>> >>>ftp://linux-speakup.org/pub/speakup/disks/redhat/7.2/
>> >>>
>> >>>----- Original Message -----
>> >>>From: Jason Symes <jsymes@netins.net>
>> >>>To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> >>>Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 11:54 PM
>> >>>Subject: Re: New to LINUX
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> But that's a version of Slackware 8 without Speakup installed aready,
>> >>>isn't
>> >>>> it? I'm asking about the version that Thomas mentioned that had
Speakup
>> >>>> already installed.
>> >>>> At 10:45 PM 12/31/01 -0600, you wrote:
>> >>>> >ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-8.0/iso/install.iso
>> >>>> >Greg
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 09:29:41PM -0600, Jason Symes wrote:
>> >>>> >> Hi Thomas.
>> >>>> >> While answering Chuck's question about trying zipspeak, you made
the
>> >>>> >> statement:
>> >>>> >> That's possible. Many of us started on Zipspeak,
>> >>>> >> >   and then moved on to big and full distributions.    However, if
>> you
>> >>>> want
>> >>>> >> >to play with a full    distribution you might want to try
Slackware 8
>> >>>> which
>> >>>> >> >comes with Speakup built    in, or Red hat 7.2 which there is a
>> >>>> >> >distribution of it modified on the Speakup    site.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Where can I find this version of Slackware 8 that has speakup
already
>> >>>built
>> >>>> >> in?
>> >>>> >> tia
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Jason Symes
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >>>> >> Speakup mailing list
>> >>>> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >>>> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >_______________________________________________
>> >>>> >Speakup mailing list
>> >>>> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >>>> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> Jason Symes
>> >>>>
>> >>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>> Speakup mailing list
>> >>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>_______________________________________________
>> >>>Speakup mailing list
>> >>>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >>>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >>>
>> >>Jason Symes
>> >>
>> >>_______________________________________________
>> >>Speakup mailing list
>> >>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >>
>> >Jason Symes
>> >
>> >_______________________________________________
>> >Speakup mailing list
>> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >
>> Jason Symes
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> 
>
>-- 
>	
>				Janina Sajka, Director
>				Technology Research and Development
>				Governmental Relations Group
>				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
>Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
>Chair, Accessibility SIG
>Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
>http://www.openebook.org
>
>Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
>Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
>
>Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
>King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
>http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
>
>Learn how to make accessible software at
>http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
Jason Symes

Re: New to LINUX

[Thomas Ward]

Yup. I find those kind of people too. There are those kind no matter what
the topic weather it is cars, computers, cooking.
Most people don't care how it works, what it takes to work, and want it
handed to them on a platter.

----- Original Message -----
From: Shaun Oliver <shauno@goanna.net.au>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 5:40 AM
Subject: Re: New to LINUX


> thomas,
> even though more and more people are trying out linux, it does not take
> away from the fact that mr average neither knows or cares about how his
> system operates.
> Until mr average starts to give a damn about the inner workings of his
> computer and the various problems and solutions to said problems,
> microsoft will always have the upper hand.
> it appears to me that an even greater number of windows users still
> don't want to know or give a damn how things work.
> I meet with this kind of opposition everyday. the other people that use
> computers that I closely associate with, namely my partner and her
> father,
> both point blank refuse to touch linux with a barge pole.
> My partner's father is 1 of those users that knows enough about his
> machine to get out of trouble. but doesn't care for the waw linux refers
> to ide or skuzzy devices nore the way everything needs to be setup by
> hand.
> Make no mistake about it, x isn't totally point and click and hope for
> the best.
> I feel it's better to get in there and swear and fart around a bit until
> you get the result you desire.
> On Mon, 31 Dec 2001, Thomas Ward wrote:
>
> > Agreed. It is the same way about Win modems. They all could be supported
if
> > the hhardware manufacturers got their head out of the sand and see more
and
> > more people are trying out Linux.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Janina Sajka <janina@afb.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 9:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: New to LINUX
> >
> >
> > > Stupidity for sure. Since there's absolutely nothing for them to lose,
> > > this is the only word for it.
> > >
> > > On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Geoff Shang wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi:
> > > >
> > > > Let me emphasize this point about the trippletalk.  It cannot be
used
> > with
> > > > speakup.  And unless and until the trippletalk folks decide to be
more
> > > > forth-coming with specs for their products (i.e. they stop
iinsisting on
> > a
> > > > non-disclosure agreement), the trippletalk will remain unsupported.
Of
> > > > course, this is stupidity on the part of a hardware manufacturer as
> > wider
> > > > support means greater product sales, but a number of hardware
> > manufacturers
> > > > just don't seem to get it.
> > > >
> > > > Geoff.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > Technology Research and Development
> > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > >
> > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > >
> > > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > http://www.openebook.org
> > >
> > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> > >
> > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> > >
> > > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> --
> Shaun Oliver
>
> Marriage is a three ring circus:
> engagement ring, wedding ring, and suffering.
>                 -- Roger Price
>
> Email: shauno@goanna.net.au
> Icq: 76958435
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: New to LINUX

[Jason Symes]

Its not just ms either, but the big computer companies. I had to beat my
head against a brick wall, waste a month of my summer, send back two
systems that weren't configured right, and argue with my sale's reps
supervisor before Gateway gave me everything I wanted and needed, and they
still gave me the wrong sound card. Their tech support people are idiots
too, and ms' tech support makes you pay for a simple question. I can't wait
until I get rh downloaded and installed!
At 09:40 PM 1/1/02 +1100, you wrote:
>thomas,
>even though more and more people are trying out linux, it does not take
>away from the fact that mr average neither knows or cares about how his
>system operates.
>Until mr average starts to give a damn about the inner workings of his
>computer and the various problems and solutions to said problems,
>microsoft will always have the upper hand.
>it appears to me that an even greater number of windows users still
>don't want to know or give a damn how things work.
>I meet with this kind of opposition everyday. the other people that use
>computers that I closely associate with, namely my partner and her
>father,
>both point blank refuse to touch linux with a barge pole.
>My partner's father is 1 of those users that knows enough about his
>machine to get out of trouble. but doesn't care for the waw linux refers 
>to ide or skuzzy devices nore the way everything needs to be setup by
>hand.
>Make no mistake about it, x isn't totally point and click and hope for
>the best.
>I feel it's better to get in there and swear and fart around a bit until 
>you get the result you desire.
>On Mon, 31 Dec 2001, Thomas Ward wrote:
>
>> Agreed. It is the same way about Win modems. They all could be supported if
>> the hhardware manufacturers got their head out of the sand and see more and
>> more people are trying out Linux.
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Janina Sajka <janina@afb.net>
>> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 9:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: New to LINUX
>> 
>> 
>> > Stupidity for sure. Since there's absolutely nothing for them to lose,
>> > this is the only word for it.
>> >
>> > On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Geoff Shang wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi:
>> > >
>> > > Let me emphasize this point about the trippletalk.  It cannot be used
>> with
>> > > speakup.  And unless and until the trippletalk folks decide to be more
>> > > forth-coming with specs for their products (i.e. they stop
iinsisting on
>> a
>> > > non-disclosure agreement), the trippletalk will remain unsupported.  Of
>> > > course, this is stupidity on the part of a hardware manufacturer as
>> wider
>> > > support means greater product sales, but a number of hardware
>> manufacturers
>> > > just don't seem to get it.
>> > >
>> > > Geoff.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > Speakup mailing list
>> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> > >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Janina Sajka, Director
>> > Technology Research and Development
>> > Governmental Relations Group
>> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>> >
>> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>> >
>> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
>> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
>> > http://www.openebook.org
>> >
>> > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
>> > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
>> >
>> > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
>> > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
>> > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
>> >
>> > Learn how to make accessible software at
>> > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Speakup mailing list
>> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> 
>
>-- 
>Shaun Oliver
>
>Marriage is a three ring circus:
>engagement ring, wedding ring, and suffering.
>                -- Roger Price
>
>Email: shauno@goanna.net.au
>Icq: 76958435
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
Jason Symes

Re: New to LINUX

[Janina Sajka]

Jason:

These are excellent points. I will incorporate them in the HOWTO. I have 
known for some time that lingo presents a barrier much greater than the 
actual doing of linux. But, I don't explain this in the HOWTO, and it's 
worth a sentence or two, and worth a pointer to the Linux for DOS/Windows 
Users. I'll add those.

Also, I hear your point about the boot disk confusion--or at least I think 
I do. I think its confusion borne of so many options to choose amongst, 
where Windows really doesn't provide options anything like the way linux 
does. This is probably worth a few sentences as well. I think the message 
has to do with power and simplicity being opposites. Power means options 
and choices which are bound to be confusing at first. Simplicity, on the 
other hand, means few, if any choices. Did I get your drift?



On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:

> I took a peak at the howto file, and, considering how I don't understand
> the lingo of linux as well as in windows, it seemed fairly straight
> forward. The only problem I had was with the boot disks stuff, but that
> again is because I'm so used to the windows way of things.
> At 11:04 AM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> >Hi, Jason:
> >
> >What can I say to make my point in just a few words? The links you found 
> >are only pointers to the actual iso files--what we call symbolic links. 
> >They are the result of my attempts to devise a means of streamlining the 
> >distribution both of these iso images and of some of the critical files 
> >within them, without requiring too many people make changes every time 
> >there's a new release. I tell you this because what you don't see looking 
> >at these symbolic links is how big the files actually are that you will be 
> >downloading. Essentially, each one is a packed CD ROM.
> >
> >I don't say this to discourage you, only to inform you. In fact, if you're 
> >willing to work with a draft, you'll find a file called HOWTO-INSTALL.html 
> >in the redhat directory that answers your question about whether all of 
> >these files are necessary, and may answer many more questions that you 
> >have yet to ask. If you're willing to work with a prerelease draft, take 
> >a look at this file. Realize, please, that it isn't finished, and not all 
> >of the links work yet. But please do let me know if this HOWTO helps you 
> >understand what you need, where to get it, and how to go about putting it 
> >all together. That's what it's there for.
> >
> >To the rest of the folks on this list, you're welcome to look there as 
> >well--though I hadn't planned on going live quite so quickly! <grin> 
> >Please do not broadcast it or distribute it yet, though. Give me a chance 
> >to finish it and get all the links working. But, please do tell me what 
> >you think.
> >
> >Happy New Year, everyone.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:
> >
> >> Ok, I think I found the files, but I want to be sure I download the correct
> >> ones. In the red hat 7.2 directory, I found a folder named images, which
> >> contained the files disk1.iso, disk2.iso, docs.iso, srpms1.iso, and
> >> srpms2.iso. Are all of these required, or are some of these extras?
> >> 
> >> At 02:30 AM 1/1/02 -0600, you wrote:
> >> >Which file is the modified rh 7.2?
> >> >tia
> >> >At 02:10 AM 1/1/02 -0600, you wrote:
> >> >>Thanks for the info. I'll consider rh.
> >> >>At 03:03 AM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
> >> >>>Hi all versions of Slackware 8.0 has speakup in them. Red Hat 7.2
> which is
> >> >>>really good for newbies has a modified set of cd iso images at:
> >> >>>ftp://linux-speakup.org/pub/speakup/disks/redhat/7.2/
> >> >>>
> >> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >> >>>From: Jason Symes <jsymes@netins.net>
> >> >>>To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> >> >>>Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 11:54 PM
> >> >>>Subject: Re: New to LINUX
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> But that's a version of Slackware 8 without Speakup installed aready,
> >> >>>isn't
> >> >>>> it? I'm asking about the version that Thomas mentioned that had
> Speakup
> >> >>>> already installed.
> >> >>>> At 10:45 PM 12/31/01 -0600, you wrote:
> >> >>>> >ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-8.0/iso/install.iso
> >> >>>> >Greg
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> >On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 09:29:41PM -0600, Jason Symes wrote:
> >> >>>> >> Hi Thomas.
> >> >>>> >> While answering Chuck's question about trying zipspeak, you made
> the
> >> >>>> >> statement:
> >> >>>> >> That's possible. Many of us started on Zipspeak,
> >> >>>> >> >   and then moved on to big and full distributions.    However, if
> >> you
> >> >>>> want
> >> >>>> >> >to play with a full    distribution you might want to try
> Slackware 8
> >> >>>> which
> >> >>>> >> >comes with Speakup built    in, or Red hat 7.2 which there is a
> >> >>>> >> >distribution of it modified on the Speakup    site.
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> Where can I find this version of Slackware 8 that has speakup
> already
> >> >>>built
> >> >>>> >> in?
> >> >>>> >> tia
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> Jason Symes
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >>>> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> >>>> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> >>>> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> >_______________________________________________
> >> >>>> >Speakup mailing list
> >> >>>> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> >>>> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> Jason Symes
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >> >>>> Speakup mailing list
> >> >>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> >>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>_______________________________________________
> >> >>>Speakup mailing list
> >> >>>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> >>>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >>>
> >> >>Jason Symes
> >> >>
> >> >>_______________________________________________
> >> >>Speakup mailing list
> >> >>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> >>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >>
> >> >Jason Symes
> >> >
> >> >_______________________________________________
> >> >Speakup mailing list
> >> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >
> >> Jason Symes
> >> 
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> 
> >
> >-- 
> >	
> >				Janina Sajka, Director
> >				Technology Research and Development
> >				Governmental Relations Group
> >				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> >Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> >Chair, Accessibility SIG
> >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> >http://www.openebook.org
> >
> >Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> >Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> >
> >Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> >King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> >http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> >
> >Learn how to make accessible software at
> >http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> Jason Symes
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Re: New to LINUX

[Jason Symes]

You caught my drift. Ms's biggest plus is its simplicity, but its apps have
been stripped of all power to make it that way.
The lingo is my toughest problem with linux. The rest seems to be nothing
in comparison. Its a shame that my college no longer teaches any unix or
linux networking concepts, but everything's gone over to win 2k.
At 05:03 PM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
>Jason:
>
>These are excellent points. I will incorporate them in the HOWTO. I have 
>known for some time that lingo presents a barrier much greater than the 
>actual doing of linux. But, I don't explain this in the HOWTO, and it's 
>worth a sentence or two, and worth a pointer to the Linux for DOS/Windows 
>Users. I'll add those.
>
>Also, I hear your point about the boot disk confusion--or at least I think 
>I do. I think its confusion borne of so many options to choose amongst, 
>where Windows really doesn't provide options anything like the way linux 
>does. This is probably worth a few sentences as well. I think the message 
>has to do with power and simplicity being opposites. Power means options 
>and choices which are bound to be confusing at first. Simplicity, on the 
>other hand, means few, if any choices. Did I get your drift?
>
>
>
>On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:
>
>> I took a peak at the howto file, and, considering how I don't understand
>> the lingo of linux as well as in windows, it seemed fairly straight
>> forward. The only problem I had was with the boot disks stuff, but that
>> again is because I'm so used to the windows way of things.
>> At 11:04 AM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
>> >
>> >Hi, Jason:
>> >
>> >What can I say to make my point in just a few words? The links you found 
>> >are only pointers to the actual iso files--what we call symbolic links. 
>> >They are the result of my attempts to devise a means of streamlining the 
>> >distribution both of these iso images and of some of the critical files 
>> >within them, without requiring too many people make changes every time 
>> >there's a new release. I tell you this because what you don't see looking 
>> >at these symbolic links is how big the files actually are that you will
be 
>> >downloading. Essentially, each one is a packed CD ROM.
>> >
>> >I don't say this to discourage you, only to inform you. In fact, if
you're 
>> >willing to work with a draft, you'll find a file called
HOWTO-INSTALL.html 
>> >in the redhat directory that answers your question about whether all of 
>> >these files are necessary, and may answer many more questions that you 
>> >have yet to ask. If you're willing to work with a prerelease draft, take 
>> >a look at this file. Realize, please, that it isn't finished, and not all 
>> >of the links work yet. But please do let me know if this HOWTO helps you 
>> >understand what you need, where to get it, and how to go about putting it 
>> >all together. That's what it's there for.
>> >
>> >To the rest of the folks on this list, you're welcome to look there as 
>> >well--though I hadn't planned on going live quite so quickly! <grin> 
>> >Please do not broadcast it or distribute it yet, though. Give me a chance 
>> >to finish it and get all the links working. But, please do tell me what 
>> >you think.
>> >
>> >Happy New Year, everyone.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:
>> >
>> >> Ok, I think I found the files, but I want to be sure I download the
correct
>> >> ones. In the red hat 7.2 directory, I found a folder named images, which
>> >> contained the files disk1.iso, disk2.iso, docs.iso, srpms1.iso, and
>> >> srpms2.iso. Are all of these required, or are some of these extras?
>> >> 
>> >> At 02:30 AM 1/1/02 -0600, you wrote:
>> >> >Which file is the modified rh 7.2?
>> >> >tia
>> >> >At 02:10 AM 1/1/02 -0600, you wrote:
>> >> >>Thanks for the info. I'll consider rh.
>> >> >>At 03:03 AM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
>> >> >>>Hi all versions of Slackware 8.0 has speakup in them. Red Hat 7.2
>> which is
>> >> >>>really good for newbies has a modified set of cd iso images at:
>> >> >>>ftp://linux-speakup.org/pub/speakup/disks/redhat/7.2/
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>----- Original Message -----
>> >> >>>From: Jason Symes <jsymes@netins.net>
>> >> >>>To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> >> >>>Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 11:54 PM
>> >> >>>Subject: Re: New to LINUX
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> But that's a version of Slackware 8 without Speakup installed
aready,
>> >> >>>isn't
>> >> >>>> it? I'm asking about the version that Thomas mentioned that had
>> Speakup
>> >> >>>> already installed.
>> >> >>>> At 10:45 PM 12/31/01 -0600, you wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-8.0/iso/install.iso
>> >> >>>> >Greg
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> >On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 09:29:41PM -0600, Jason Symes wrote:
>> >> >>>> >> Hi Thomas.
>> >> >>>> >> While answering Chuck's question about trying zipspeak, you made
>> the
>> >> >>>> >> statement:
>> >> >>>> >> That's possible. Many of us started on Zipspeak,
>> >> >>>> >> >   and then moved on to big and full distributions.
However, if
>> >> you
>> >> >>>> want
>> >> >>>> >> >to play with a full    distribution you might want to try
>> Slackware 8
>> >> >>>> which
>> >> >>>> >> >comes with Speakup built    in, or Red hat 7.2 which there is a
>> >> >>>> >> >distribution of it modified on the Speakup    site.
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> Where can I find this version of Slackware 8 that has speakup
>> already
>> >> >>>built
>> >> >>>> >> in?
>> >> >>>> >> tia
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> Jason Symes
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> >>>> >> Speakup mailing list
>> >> >>>> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> >>>> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> >_______________________________________________
>> >> >>>> >Speakup mailing list
>> >> >>>> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> >>>> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> Jason Symes
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________
>> >> >>>> Speakup mailing list
>> >> >>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> >>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>_______________________________________________
>> >> >>>Speakup mailing list
>> >> >>>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> >>>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>Jason Symes
>> >> >>
>> >> >>_______________________________________________
>> >> >>Speakup mailing list
>> >> >>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> >>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> >>
>> >> >Jason Symes
>> >> >
>> >> >_______________________________________________
>> >> >Speakup mailing list
>> >> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> >
>> >> Jason Symes
>> >> 
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Speakup mailing list
>> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> 
>> >
>> >-- 
>> >	
>> >				Janina Sajka, Director
>> >				Technology Research and Development
>> >				Governmental Relations Group
>> >				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>> >
>> >Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
>> >
>> >Chair, Accessibility SIG
>> >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
>> >http://www.openebook.org
>> >
>> >Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
>> >Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
>> >
>> >Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
>> >King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
>> >http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
>> >
>> >Learn how to make accessible software at
>> >http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
>> >
>> >
>> >_______________________________________________
>> >Speakup mailing list
>> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >
>> Jason Symes
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> 
>
>-- 
>	
>				Janina Sajka, Director
>				Technology Research and Development
>				Governmental Relations Group
>				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
>Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
>Chair, Accessibility SIG
>Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
>http://www.openebook.org
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
Jason Symes

Re: New to LINUX

[Shaun Oliver]

that is why microsoft is so prolific.
and so wide spread.
On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Thomas Ward
wrote:

> Yup. I find those kind of people too. There are those kind no matter what
> the topic weather it is cars, computers, cooking.
> Most people don't care how it works, what it takes to work, and want it
> handed to them on a platter.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Shaun Oliver <shauno@goanna.net.au>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 5:40 AM
> Subject: Re: New to LINUX
> 
> 
> > thomas,
> > even though more and more people are trying out linux, it does not take
> > away from the fact that mr average neither knows or cares about how his
> > system operates.
> > Until mr average starts to give a damn about the inner workings of his
> > computer and the various problems and solutions to said problems,
> > microsoft will always have the upper hand.
> > it appears to me that an even greater number of windows users still
> > don't want to know or give a damn how things work.
> > I meet with this kind of opposition everyday. the other people that use
> > computers that I closely associate with, namely my partner and her
> > father,
> > both point blank refuse to touch linux with a barge pole.
> > My partner's father is 1 of those users that knows enough about his
> > machine to get out of trouble. but doesn't care for the waw linux refers
> > to ide or skuzzy devices nore the way everything needs to be setup by
> > hand.
> > Make no mistake about it, x isn't totally point and click and hope for
> > the best.
> > I feel it's better to get in there and swear and fart around a bit until
> > you get the result you desire.
> > On Mon, 31 Dec 2001, Thomas Ward wrote:
> >
> > > Agreed. It is the same way about Win modems. They all could be supported
> if
> > > the hhardware manufacturers got their head out of the sand and see more
> and
> > > more people are trying out Linux.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Janina Sajka <janina@afb.net>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 9:07 PM
> > > Subject: Re: New to LINUX
> > >
> > >
> > > > Stupidity for sure. Since there's absolutely nothing for them to lose,
> > > > this is the only word for it.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Geoff Shang wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi:
> > > > >
> > > > > Let me emphasize this point about the trippletalk.  It cannot be
> used
> > > with
> > > > > speakup.  And unless and until the trippletalk folks decide to be
> more
> > > > > forth-coming with specs for their products (i.e. they stop
> iinsisting on
> > > a
> > > > > non-disclosure agreement), the trippletalk will remain unsupported.
> Of
> > > > > course, this is stupidity on the part of a hardware manufacturer as
> > > wider
> > > > > support means greater product sales, but a number of hardware
> > > manufacturers
> > > > > just don't seem to get it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Geoff.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > > Technology Research and Development
> > > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > > >
> > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > > >
> > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > > http://www.openebook.org
> > > >
> > > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> > > >
> > > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> > > >
> > > > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > > > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Shaun Oliver
> >
> > Marriage is a three ring circus:
> > engagement ring, wedding ring, and suffering.
> >                 -- Roger Price
> >
> > Email: shauno@goanna.net.au
> > Icq: 76958435
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

-- 
Shaun Oliver

Marriage is a three ring circus:
engagement ring, wedding ring, and suffering.
                -- Roger Price

Email: shauno@goanna.net.au
Icq: 76958435

Re: New to LINUX

[Janina Sajka]

Hi, Jason:

Well, I don't think I agree that there's simplicity in Windows. Rather, I 
think it's familiarity, which can make things seem simple and obvious, 
when they're really not. Be that as it may, the result is the same.

As for your college not teaching unix, too bad. Maybe it's time to change 
schools? <grin> I hear the U. of Singapore and many places like it will 
only have FREE software, but I don't really know that for a fact! <bigger 
grin>

 On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:

> You caught my drift. Ms's biggest plus is its simplicity, but its apps have
> been stripped of all power to make it that way.
> The lingo is my toughest problem with linux. The rest seems to be nothing
> in comparison. Its a shame that my college no longer teaches any unix or
> linux networking concepts, but everything's gone over to win 2k.
> At 05:03 PM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
> >Jason:
> >
> >These are excellent points. I will incorporate them in the HOWTO. I have 
> >known for some time that lingo presents a barrier much greater than the 
> >actual doing of linux. But, I don't explain this in the HOWTO, and it's 
> >worth a sentence or two, and worth a pointer to the Linux for DOS/Windows 
> >Users. I'll add those.
> >
> >Also, I hear your point about the boot disk confusion--or at least I think 
> >I do. I think its confusion borne of so many options to choose amongst, 
> >where Windows really doesn't provide options anything like the way linux 
> >does. This is probably worth a few sentences as well. I think the message 
> >has to do with power and simplicity being opposites. Power means options 
> >and choices which are bound to be confusing at first. Simplicity, on the 
> >other hand, means few, if any choices. Did I get your drift?
> >
> >
> >
> >On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:
> >
> >> I took a peak at the howto file, and, considering how I don't understand
> >> the lingo of linux as well as in windows, it seemed fairly straight
> >> forward. The only problem I had was with the boot disks stuff, but that
> >> again is because I'm so used to the windows way of things.
> >> At 11:04 AM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
> >> >
> >> >Hi, Jason:
> >> >
> >> >What can I say to make my point in just a few words? The links you found 
> >> >are only pointers to the actual iso files--what we call symbolic links. 
> >> >They are the result of my attempts to devise a means of streamlining the 
> >> >distribution both of these iso images and of some of the critical files 
> >> >within them, without requiring too many people make changes every time 
> >> >there's a new release. I tell you this because what you don't see looking 
> >> >at these symbolic links is how big the files actually are that you will
> be 
> >> >downloading. Essentially, each one is a packed CD ROM.
> >> >
> >> >I don't say this to discourage you, only to inform you. In fact, if
> you're 
> >> >willing to work with a draft, you'll find a file called
> HOWTO-INSTALL.html 
> >> >in the redhat directory that answers your question about whether all of 
> >> >these files are necessary, and may answer many more questions that you 
> >> >have yet to ask. If you're willing to work with a prerelease draft, take 
> >> >a look at this file. Realize, please, that it isn't finished, and not all 
> >> >of the links work yet. But please do let me know if this HOWTO helps you 
> >> >understand what you need, where to get it, and how to go about putting it 
> >> >all together. That's what it's there for.
> >> >
> >> >To the rest of the folks on this list, you're welcome to look there as 
> >> >well--though I hadn't planned on going live quite so quickly! <grin> 
> >> >Please do not broadcast it or distribute it yet, though. Give me a chance 
> >> >to finish it and get all the links working. But, please do tell me what 
> >> >you think.
> >> >
> >> >Happy New Year, everyone.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Ok, I think I found the files, but I want to be sure I download the
> correct
> >> >> ones. In the red hat 7.2 directory, I found a folder named images, which
> >> >> contained the files disk1.iso, disk2.iso, docs.iso, srpms1.iso, and
> >> >> srpms2.iso. Are all of these required, or are some of these extras?
> >> >> 
> >> >> At 02:30 AM 1/1/02 -0600, you wrote:
> >> >> >Which file is the modified rh 7.2?
> >> >> >tia
> >> >> >At 02:10 AM 1/1/02 -0600, you wrote:
> >> >> >>Thanks for the info. I'll consider rh.
> >> >> >>At 03:03 AM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
> >> >> >>>Hi all versions of Slackware 8.0 has speakup in them. Red Hat 7.2
> >> which is
> >> >> >>>really good for newbies has a modified set of cd iso images at:
> >> >> >>>ftp://linux-speakup.org/pub/speakup/disks/redhat/7.2/
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >> >> >>>From: Jason Symes <jsymes@netins.net>
> >> >> >>>To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> >> >> >>>Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 11:54 PM
> >> >> >>>Subject: Re: New to LINUX
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>> But that's a version of Slackware 8 without Speakup installed
> aready,
> >> >> >>>isn't
> >> >> >>>> it? I'm asking about the version that Thomas mentioned that had
> >> Speakup
> >> >> >>>> already installed.
> >> >> >>>> At 10:45 PM 12/31/01 -0600, you wrote:
> >> >> >>>>
> >ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-8.0/iso/install.iso
> >> >> >>>> >Greg
> >> >> >>>> >
> >> >> >>>> >On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 09:29:41PM -0600, Jason Symes wrote:
> >> >> >>>> >> Hi Thomas.
> >> >> >>>> >> While answering Chuck's question about trying zipspeak, you made
> >> the
> >> >> >>>> >> statement:
> >> >> >>>> >> That's possible. Many of us started on Zipspeak,
> >> >> >>>> >> >   and then moved on to big and full distributions.
> However, if
> >> >> you
> >> >> >>>> want
> >> >> >>>> >> >to play with a full    distribution you might want to try
> >> Slackware 8
> >> >> >>>> which
> >> >> >>>> >> >comes with Speakup built    in, or Red hat 7.2 which there is a
> >> >> >>>> >> >distribution of it modified on the Speakup    site.
> >> >> >>>> >>
> >> >> >>>> >> Where can I find this version of Slackware 8 that has speakup
> >> already
> >> >> >>>built
> >> >> >>>> >> in?
> >> >> >>>> >> tia
> >> >> >>>> >>
> >> >> >>>> >> Jason Symes
> >> >> >>>> >>
> >> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> >>>> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> >> >>>> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> >> >>>> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >> >>>> >
> >> >> >>>> >_______________________________________________
> >> >> >>>> >Speakup mailing list
> >> >> >>>> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> >> >>>> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >> >>>> >
> >> >> >>>> Jason Symes
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >> >> >>>> Speakup mailing list
> >> >> >>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> >> >>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>_______________________________________________
> >> >> >>>Speakup mailing list
> >> >> >>>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> >> >>>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>Jason Symes
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>_______________________________________________
> >> >> >>Speakup mailing list
> >> >> >>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> >> >>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >Jason Symes
> >> >> >
> >> >> >_______________________________________________
> >> >> >Speakup mailing list
> >> >> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >> >
> >> >> Jason Symes
> >> >> 
> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >> 
> >> >
> >> >-- 
> >> >	
> >> >				Janina Sajka, Director
> >> >				Technology Research and Development
> >> >				Governmental Relations Group
> >> >				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >> >
> >> >Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >> >
> >> >Chair, Accessibility SIG
> >> >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> >> >http://www.openebook.org
> >> >
> >> >Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> >> >Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> >> >
> >> >Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> >> >King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> >> >http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> >> >
> >> >Learn how to make accessible software at
> >> >http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >_______________________________________________
> >> >Speakup mailing list
> >> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >
> >> Jason Symes
> >> 
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> 
> >
> >-- 
> >	
> >				Janina Sajka, Director
> >				Technology Research and Development
> >				Governmental Relations Group
> >				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> >Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> >Chair, Accessibility SIG
> >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> >http://www.openebook.org
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> Jason Symes
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Re: New to LINUX

[Amanda Lee]

Since I'm from the Corporate America World, I echo Janina's sentaments as
now we're discussing possibilities with IBM Mainframes, Linux as the O/S and
DB2 as the Database Management System/Environment and that's where it really
is in larger companies these days folks.  It's either Unix and C, Oracle,
Web Gui development or now emerging Mainframes supporting LInux so study up.
There may be a high-paying job out there for your self-taught Linux  skills.

Amanda Lee
Alexandria, VA


----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: New to LINUX


> Hi, Jason:
>
> Well, I don't think I agree that there's simplicity in Windows. Rather, I
> think it's familiarity, which can make things seem simple and obvious,
> when they're really not. Be that as it may, the result is the same.
>
> As for your college not teaching unix, too bad. Maybe it's time to change
> schools? <grin> I hear the U. of Singapore and many places like it will
> only have FREE software, but I don't really know that for a fact! <bigger
> grin>
>
>  On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:
>
> > You caught my drift. Ms's biggest plus is its simplicity, but its apps
have
> > been stripped of all power to make it that way.
> > The lingo is my toughest problem with linux. The rest seems to be
nothing
> > in comparison. Its a shame that my college no longer teaches any unix or
> > linux networking concepts, but everything's gone over to win 2k.
> > At 05:03 PM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Jason:
> > >
> > >These are excellent points. I will incorporate them in the HOWTO. I
have
> > >known for some time that lingo presents a barrier much greater than the
> > >actual doing of linux. But, I don't explain this in the HOWTO, and it's
> > >worth a sentence or two, and worth a pointer to the Linux for
DOS/Windows
> > >Users. I'll add those.
> > >
> > >Also, I hear your point about the boot disk confusion--or at least I
think
> > >I do. I think its confusion borne of so many options to choose amongst,
> > >where Windows really doesn't provide options anything like the way
linux
> > >does. This is probably worth a few sentences as well. I think the
message
> > >has to do with power and simplicity being opposites. Power means
options
> > >and choices which are bound to be confusing at first. Simplicity, on
the
> > >other hand, means few, if any choices. Did I get your drift?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:
> > >
> > >> I took a peak at the howto file, and, considering how I don't
understand
> > >> the lingo of linux as well as in windows, it seemed fairly straight
> > >> forward. The only problem I had was with the boot disks stuff, but
that
> > >> again is because I'm so used to the windows way of things.
> > >> At 11:04 AM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >Hi, Jason:
> > >> >
> > >> >What can I say to make my point in just a few words? The links you
found
> > >> >are only pointers to the actual iso files--what we call symbolic
links.
> > >> >They are the result of my attempts to devise a means of streamlining
the
> > >> >distribution both of these iso images and of some of the critical
files
> > >> >within them, without requiring too many people make changes every
time
> > >> >there's a new release. I tell you this because what you don't see
looking
> > >> >at these symbolic links is how big the files actually are that you
will
> > be
> > >> >downloading. Essentially, each one is a packed CD ROM.
> > >> >
> > >> >I don't say this to discourage you, only to inform you. In fact, if
> > you're
> > >> >willing to work with a draft, you'll find a file called
> > HOWTO-INSTALL.html
> > >> >in the redhat directory that answers your question about whether all
of
> > >> >these files are necessary, and may answer many more questions that
you
> > >> >have yet to ask. If you're willing to work with a prerelease draft,
take
> > >> >a look at this file. Realize, please, that it isn't finished, and
not all
> > >> >of the links work yet. But please do let me know if this HOWTO helps
you
> > >> >understand what you need, where to get it, and how to go about
putting it
> > >> >all together. That's what it's there for.
> > >> >
> > >> >To the rest of the folks on this list, you're welcome to look there
as
> > >> >well--though I hadn't planned on going live quite so quickly! <grin>
> > >> >Please do not broadcast it or distribute it yet, though. Give me a
chance
> > >> >to finish it and get all the links working. But, please do tell me
what
> > >> >you think.
> > >> >
> > >> >Happy New Year, everyone.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> Ok, I think I found the files, but I want to be sure I download
the
> > correct
> > >> >> ones. In the red hat 7.2 directory, I found a folder named images,
which
> > >> >> contained the files disk1.iso, disk2.iso, docs.iso, srpms1.iso,
and
> > >> >> srpms2.iso. Are all of these required, or are some of these
extras?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> At 02:30 AM 1/1/02 -0600, you wrote:
> > >> >> >Which file is the modified rh 7.2?
> > >> >> >tia
> > >> >> >At 02:10 AM 1/1/02 -0600, you wrote:
> > >> >> >>Thanks for the info. I'll consider rh.
> > >> >> >>At 03:03 AM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
> > >> >> >>>Hi all versions of Slackware 8.0 has speakup in them. Red Hat
7.2
> > >> which is
> > >> >> >>>really good for newbies has a modified set of cd iso images at:
> > >> >> >>>ftp://linux-speakup.org/pub/speakup/disks/redhat/7.2/
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>>----- Original Message -----
> > >> >> >>>From: Jason Symes <jsymes@netins.net>
> > >> >> >>>To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > >> >> >>>Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 11:54 PM
> > >> >> >>>Subject: Re: New to LINUX
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>>> But that's a version of Slackware 8 without Speakup installed
> > aready,
> > >> >> >>>isn't
> > >> >> >>>> it? I'm asking about the version that Thomas mentioned that
had
> > >> Speakup
> > >> >> >>>> already installed.
> > >> >> >>>> At 10:45 PM 12/31/01 -0600, you wrote:
> > >> >> >>>>
> > >ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-8.0/iso/install.iso
> > >> >> >>>> >Greg
> > >> >> >>>> >
> > >> >> >>>> >On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 09:29:41PM -0600, Jason Symes wrote:
> > >> >> >>>> >> Hi Thomas.
> > >> >> >>>> >> While answering Chuck's question about trying zipspeak,
you made
> > >> the
> > >> >> >>>> >> statement:
> > >> >> >>>> >> That's possible. Many of us started on Zipspeak,
> > >> >> >>>> >> >   and then moved on to big and full distributions.
> > However, if
> > >> >> you
> > >> >> >>>> want
> > >> >> >>>> >> >to play with a full    distribution you might want to try
> > >> Slackware 8
> > >> >> >>>> which
> > >> >> >>>> >> >comes with Speakup built    in, or Red hat 7.2 which
there is a
> > >> >> >>>> >> >distribution of it modified on the Speakup    site.
> > >> >> >>>> >>
> > >> >> >>>> >> Where can I find this version of Slackware 8 that has
speakup
> > >> already
> > >> >> >>>built
> > >> >> >>>> >> in?
> > >> >> >>>> >> tia
> > >> >> >>>> >>
> > >> >> >>>> >> Jason Symes
> > >> >> >>>> >>
> > >> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________
> > >> >> >>>> >> Speakup mailing list
> > >> >> >>>> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > >> >> >>>> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >> >> >>>> >
> > >> >> >>>> >_______________________________________________
> > >> >> >>>> >Speakup mailing list
> > >> >> >>>> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > >> >> >>>> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >> >> >>>> >
> > >> >> >>>> Jason Symes
> > >> >> >>>>
> > >> >> >>>> _______________________________________________
> > >> >> >>>> Speakup mailing list
> > >> >> >>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > >> >> >>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >> >> >>>>
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>>_______________________________________________
> > >> >> >>>Speakup mailing list
> > >> >> >>>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > >> >> >>>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>Jason Symes
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>_______________________________________________
> > >> >> >>Speakup mailing list
> > >> >> >>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > >> >> >>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >Jason Symes
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >_______________________________________________
> > >> >> >Speakup mailing list
> > >> >> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > >> >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> Jason Symes
> > >> >>
> > >> >> _______________________________________________
> > >> >> Speakup mailing list
> > >> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > >> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> >--
> > >> >
> > >> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > >> > Technology Research and Development
> > >> > Governmental Relations Group
> > >> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > >> >
> > >> >Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > >> >
> > >> >Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > >> >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > >> >http://www.openebook.org
> > >> >
> > >> >Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > >> >Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> > >> >
> > >> >Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > >> >King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > >> >http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> > >> >
> > >> >Learn how to make accessible software at
> > >> >http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >_______________________________________________
> > >> >Speakup mailing list
> > >> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >> >
> > >> Jason Symes
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Speakup mailing list
> > >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >>
> > >
> > >--
> > >
> > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > Technology Research and Development
> > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > >
> > >Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > >
> > >Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > >http://www.openebook.org
> > >
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >Speakup mailing list
> > >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > Jason Symes
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>

Re: New to LINUX

[Jason Symes]

Windows was the first os I sat down and truly learned, and I've found it
vary easy. However, it's that power that windows lacks that I'm trying to
find in linux.
Well, I'm not much of a traveler, or I probably would have gone to some
place like Iowa or Minnesota.
At 06:26 PM 1/2/02 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi, Jason:
>
>Well, I don't think I agree that there's simplicity in Windows. Rather, I 
>think it's familiarity, which can make things seem simple and obvious, 
>when they're really not. Be that as it may, the result is the same.
>
>As for your college not teaching unix, too bad. Maybe it's time to change 
>schools? <grin> I hear the U. of Singapore and many places like it will 
>only have FREE software, but I don't really know that for a fact! <bigger 
>grin>
>
> On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:
>
>> You caught my drift. Ms's biggest plus is its simplicity, but its apps have
>> been stripped of all power to make it that way.
>> The lingo is my toughest problem with linux. The rest seems to be nothing
>> in comparison. Its a shame that my college no longer teaches any unix or
>> linux networking concepts, but everything's gone over to win 2k.
>> At 05:03 PM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
>> >Jason:
>> >
>> >These are excellent points. I will incorporate them in the HOWTO. I have 
>> >known for some time that lingo presents a barrier much greater than the 
>> >actual doing of linux. But, I don't explain this in the HOWTO, and it's 
>> >worth a sentence or two, and worth a pointer to the Linux for DOS/Windows 
>> >Users. I'll add those.
>> >
>> >Also, I hear your point about the boot disk confusion--or at least I
think 
>> >I do. I think its confusion borne of so many options to choose amongst, 
>> >where Windows really doesn't provide options anything like the way linux 
>> >does. This is probably worth a few sentences as well. I think the message 
>> >has to do with power and simplicity being opposites. Power means options 
>> >and choices which are bound to be confusing at first. Simplicity, on the 
>> >other hand, means few, if any choices. Did I get your drift?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:
>> >
>> >> I took a peak at the howto file, and, considering how I don't understand
>> >> the lingo of linux as well as in windows, it seemed fairly straight
>> >> forward. The only problem I had was with the boot disks stuff, but that
>> >> again is because I'm so used to the windows way of things.
>> >> At 11:04 AM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >Hi, Jason:
>> >> >
>> >> >What can I say to make my point in just a few words? The links you
found 
>> >> >are only pointers to the actual iso files--what we call symbolic
links. 
>> >> >They are the result of my attempts to devise a means of streamlining
the 
>> >> >distribution both of these iso images and of some of the critical
files 
>> >> >within them, without requiring too many people make changes every time 
>> >> >there's a new release. I tell you this because what you don't see
looking 
>> >> >at these symbolic links is how big the files actually are that you will
>> be 
>> >> >downloading. Essentially, each one is a packed CD ROM.
>> >> >
>> >> >I don't say this to discourage you, only to inform you. In fact, if
>> you're 
>> >> >willing to work with a draft, you'll find a file called
>> HOWTO-INSTALL.html 
>> >> >in the redhat directory that answers your question about whether all
of 
>> >> >these files are necessary, and may answer many more questions that you 
>> >> >have yet to ask. If you're willing to work with a prerelease draft,
take 
>> >> >a look at this file. Realize, please, that it isn't finished, and
not all 
>> >> >of the links work yet. But please do let me know if this HOWTO helps
you 
>> >> >understand what you need, where to get it, and how to go about
putting it 
>> >> >all together. That's what it's there for.
>> >> >
>> >> >To the rest of the folks on this list, you're welcome to look there as 
>> >> >well--though I hadn't planned on going live quite so quickly! <grin> 
>> >> >Please do not broadcast it or distribute it yet, though. Give me a
chance 
>> >> >to finish it and get all the links working. But, please do tell me
what 
>> >> >you think.
>> >> >
>> >> >Happy New Year, everyone.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Ok, I think I found the files, but I want to be sure I download the
>> correct
>> >> >> ones. In the red hat 7.2 directory, I found a folder named images,
which
>> >> >> contained the files disk1.iso, disk2.iso, docs.iso, srpms1.iso, and
>> >> >> srpms2.iso. Are all of these required, or are some of these extras?
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> At 02:30 AM 1/1/02 -0600, you wrote:
>> >> >> >Which file is the modified rh 7.2?
>> >> >> >tia
>> >> >> >At 02:10 AM 1/1/02 -0600, you wrote:
>> >> >> >>Thanks for the info. I'll consider rh.
>> >> >> >>At 03:03 AM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
>> >> >> >>>Hi all versions of Slackware 8.0 has speakup in them. Red Hat 7.2
>> >> which is
>> >> >> >>>really good for newbies has a modified set of cd iso images at:
>> >> >> >>>ftp://linux-speakup.org/pub/speakup/disks/redhat/7.2/
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> >>>From: Jason Symes <jsymes@netins.net>
>> >> >> >>>To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> >> >> >>>Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 11:54 PM
>> >> >> >>>Subject: Re: New to LINUX
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>> But that's a version of Slackware 8 without Speakup installed
>> aready,
>> >> >> >>>isn't
>> >> >> >>>> it? I'm asking about the version that Thomas mentioned that had
>> >> Speakup
>> >> >> >>>> already installed.
>> >> >> >>>> At 10:45 PM 12/31/01 -0600, you wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-8.0/iso/install.iso
>> >> >> >>>> >Greg
>> >> >> >>>> >
>> >> >> >>>> >On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 09:29:41PM -0600, Jason Symes wrote:
>> >> >> >>>> >> Hi Thomas.
>> >> >> >>>> >> While answering Chuck's question about trying zipspeak,
you made
>> >> the
>> >> >> >>>> >> statement:
>> >> >> >>>> >> That's possible. Many of us started on Zipspeak,
>> >> >> >>>> >> >   and then moved on to big and full distributions.
>> However, if
>> >> >> you
>> >> >> >>>> want
>> >> >> >>>> >> >to play with a full    distribution you might want to try
>> >> Slackware 8
>> >> >> >>>> which
>> >> >> >>>> >> >comes with Speakup built    in, or Red hat 7.2 which
there is a
>> >> >> >>>> >> >distribution of it modified on the Speakup    site.
>> >> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >> >>>> >> Where can I find this version of Slackware 8 that has speakup
>> >> already
>> >> >> >>>built
>> >> >> >>>> >> in?
>> >> >> >>>> >> tia
>> >> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >> >>>> >> Jason Symes
>> >> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> >> >>>> >> Speakup mailing list
>> >> >> >>>> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> >> >>>> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> >> >>>> >
>> >> >> >>>> >_______________________________________________
>> >> >> >>>> >Speakup mailing list
>> >> >> >>>> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> >> >>>> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> >> >>>> >
>> >> >> >>>> Jason Symes
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> _______________________________________________
>> >> >> >>>> Speakup mailing list
>> >> >> >>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> >> >>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>_______________________________________________
>> >> >> >>>Speakup mailing list
>> >> >> >>>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> >> >>>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>Jason Symes
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>_______________________________________________
>> >> >> >>Speakup mailing list
>> >> >> >>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> >> >>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >Jason Symes
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >_______________________________________________
>> >> >> >Speakup mailing list
>> >> >> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> Jason Symes
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> >> Speakup mailing list
>> >> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> >> 
>> >> >
>> >> >-- 
>> >> >	
>> >> >				Janina Sajka, Director
>> >> >				Technology Research and Development
>> >> >				Governmental Relations Group
>> >> >				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>> >> >
>> >> >Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
>> >> >
>> >> >Chair, Accessibility SIG
>> >> >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
>> >> >http://www.openebook.org
>> >> >
>> >> >Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
>> >> >Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
>> >> >
>> >> >Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
>> >> >King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
>> >> >http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
>> >> >
>> >> >Learn how to make accessible software at
>> >> >http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >_______________________________________________
>> >> >Speakup mailing list
>> >> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> >
>> >> Jason Symes
>> >> 
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Speakup mailing list
>> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> 
>> >
>> >-- 
>> >	
>> >				Janina Sajka, Director
>> >				Technology Research and Development
>> >				Governmental Relations Group
>> >				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>> >
>> >Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
>> >
>> >Chair, Accessibility SIG
>> >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
>> >http://www.openebook.org
>> >
>> >
>> >_______________________________________________
>> >Speakup mailing list
>> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >
>> Jason Symes
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> 
>
>-- 
>	
>				Janina Sajka, Director
>				Technology Research and Development
>				Governmental Relations Group
>				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
>Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
>Chair, Accessibility SIG
>Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
>http://www.openebook.org
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
Jason Symes

Re: New to LINUX

[Jason Symes]

I forgot to mention something else that puts linux in a good position to
steal ms's customers. Windows is easier, but someone running a high-powered
server or mainframe doesn't want simple over powerful. Windows is also
becoming more bug-prone and full of security holes, which makes network
administrators work harder and longer just to fix.
At 08:14 PM 1/2/02 -0600, you wrote:
>Windows was the first os I sat down and truly learned, and I've found it
>vary easy. However, it's that power that windows lacks that I'm trying to
>find in linux.
>Well, I'm not much of a traveler, or I probably would have gone to some
>place like Iowa or Minnesota.
>At 06:26 PM 1/2/02 -0500, you wrote:
>>Hi, Jason:
>>
>>Well, I don't think I agree that there's simplicity in Windows. Rather, I 
>>think it's familiarity, which can make things seem simple and obvious, 
>>when they're really not. Be that as it may, the result is the same.
>>
>>As for your college not teaching unix, too bad. Maybe it's time to change 
>>schools? <grin> I hear the U. of Singapore and many places like it will 
>>only have FREE software, but I don't really know that for a fact! <bigger 
>>grin>
>>
>> On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:
>>
>>> You caught my drift. Ms's biggest plus is its simplicity, but its apps
have
>>> been stripped of all power to make it that way.
>>> The lingo is my toughest problem with linux. The rest seems to be nothing
>>> in comparison. Its a shame that my college no longer teaches any unix or
>>> linux networking concepts, but everything's gone over to win 2k.
>>> At 05:03 PM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
>>> >Jason:
>>> >
>>> >These are excellent points. I will incorporate them in the HOWTO. I have 
>>> >known for some time that lingo presents a barrier much greater than the 
>>> >actual doing of linux. But, I don't explain this in the HOWTO, and it's 
>>> >worth a sentence or two, and worth a pointer to the Linux for
DOS/Windows 
>>> >Users. I'll add those.
>>> >
>>> >Also, I hear your point about the boot disk confusion--or at least I
>think 
>>> >I do. I think its confusion borne of so many options to choose amongst, 
>>> >where Windows really doesn't provide options anything like the way linux 
>>> >does. This is probably worth a few sentences as well. I think the
message 
>>> >has to do with power and simplicity being opposites. Power means options 
>>> >and choices which are bound to be confusing at first. Simplicity, on the 
>>> >other hand, means few, if any choices. Did I get your drift?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I took a peak at the howto file, and, considering how I don't
understand
>>> >> the lingo of linux as well as in windows, it seemed fairly straight
>>> >> forward. The only problem I had was with the boot disks stuff, but that
>>> >> again is because I'm so used to the windows way of things.
>>> >> At 11:04 AM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Hi, Jason:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >What can I say to make my point in just a few words? The links you
>found 
>>> >> >are only pointers to the actual iso files--what we call symbolic
>links. 
>>> >> >They are the result of my attempts to devise a means of streamlining
>the 
>>> >> >distribution both of these iso images and of some of the critical
>files 
>>> >> >within them, without requiring too many people make changes every
time 
>>> >> >there's a new release. I tell you this because what you don't see
>looking 
>>> >> >at these symbolic links is how big the files actually are that you
will
>>> be 
>>> >> >downloading. Essentially, each one is a packed CD ROM.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >I don't say this to discourage you, only to inform you. In fact, if
>>> you're 
>>> >> >willing to work with a draft, you'll find a file called
>>> HOWTO-INSTALL.html 
>>> >> >in the redhat directory that answers your question about whether all
>of 
>>> >> >these files are necessary, and may answer many more questions that
you 
>>> >> >have yet to ask. If you're willing to work with a prerelease draft,
>take 
>>> >> >a look at this file. Realize, please, that it isn't finished, and
>not all 
>>> >> >of the links work yet. But please do let me know if this HOWTO helps
>you 
>>> >> >understand what you need, where to get it, and how to go about
>putting it 
>>> >> >all together. That's what it's there for.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >To the rest of the folks on this list, you're welcome to look there
as 
>>> >> >well--though I hadn't planned on going live quite so quickly! <grin> 
>>> >> >Please do not broadcast it or distribute it yet, though. Give me a
>chance 
>>> >> >to finish it and get all the links working. But, please do tell me
>what 
>>> >> >you think.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Happy New Year, everyone.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> Ok, I think I found the files, but I want to be sure I download the
>>> correct
>>> >> >> ones. In the red hat 7.2 directory, I found a folder named images,
>which
>>> >> >> contained the files disk1.iso, disk2.iso, docs.iso, srpms1.iso, and
>>> >> >> srpms2.iso. Are all of these required, or are some of these extras?
>>> >> >> 
>>> >> >> At 02:30 AM 1/1/02 -0600, you wrote:
>>> >> >> >Which file is the modified rh 7.2?
>>> >> >> >tia
>>> >> >> >At 02:10 AM 1/1/02 -0600, you wrote:
>>> >> >> >>Thanks for the info. I'll consider rh.
>>> >> >> >>At 03:03 AM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
>>> >> >> >>>Hi all versions of Slackware 8.0 has speakup in them. Red Hat 7.2
>>> >> which is
>>> >> >> >>>really good for newbies has a modified set of cd iso images at:
>>> >> >> >>>ftp://linux-speakup.org/pub/speakup/disks/redhat/7.2/
>>> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >>>----- Original Message -----
>>> >> >> >>>From: Jason Symes <jsymes@netins.net>
>>> >> >> >>>To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>>> >> >> >>>Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 11:54 PM
>>> >> >> >>>Subject: Re: New to LINUX
>>> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >>>> But that's a version of Slackware 8 without Speakup installed
>>> aready,
>>> >> >> >>>isn't
>>> >> >> >>>> it? I'm asking about the version that Thomas mentioned that had
>>> >> Speakup
>>> >> >> >>>> already installed.
>>> >> >> >>>> At 10:45 PM 12/31/01 -0600, you wrote:
>>> >> >> >>>>
>>> >ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-8.0/iso/install.iso
>>> >> >> >>>> >Greg
>>> >> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >> >>>> >On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 09:29:41PM -0600, Jason Symes wrote:
>>> >> >> >>>> >> Hi Thomas.
>>> >> >> >>>> >> While answering Chuck's question about trying zipspeak,
>you made
>>> >> the
>>> >> >> >>>> >> statement:
>>> >> >> >>>> >> That's possible. Many of us started on Zipspeak,
>>> >> >> >>>> >> >   and then moved on to big and full distributions.
>>> However, if
>>> >> >> you
>>> >> >> >>>> want
>>> >> >> >>>> >> >to play with a full    distribution you might want to try
>>> >> Slackware 8
>>> >> >> >>>> which
>>> >> >> >>>> >> >comes with Speakup built    in, or Red hat 7.2 which
>there is a
>>> >> >> >>>> >> >distribution of it modified on the Speakup    site.
>>> >> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >> >>>> >> Where can I find this version of Slackware 8 that has
speakup
>>> >> already
>>> >> >> >>>built
>>> >> >> >>>> >> in?
>>> >> >> >>>> >> tia
>>> >> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >> >>>> >> Jason Symes
>>> >> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>> >> >> >>>> >> Speakup mailing list
>>> >> >> >>>> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> >> >> >>>> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>> >> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >> >>>> >_______________________________________________
>>> >> >> >>>> >Speakup mailing list
>>> >> >> >>>> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> >> >> >>>> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>> >> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >> >>>> Jason Symes
>>> >> >> >>>>
>>> >> >> >>>> _______________________________________________
>>> >> >> >>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> >> >> >>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> >> >> >>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>> >> >> >>>>
>>> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >>>_______________________________________________
>>> >> >> >>>Speakup mailing list
>>> >> >> >>>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> >> >> >>>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >>Jason Symes
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>_______________________________________________
>>> >> >> >>Speakup mailing list
>>> >> >> >>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> >> >> >>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >Jason Symes
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >_______________________________________________
>>> >> >> >Speakup mailing list
>>> >> >> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> >> >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> Jason Symes
>>> >> >> 
>>> >> >> _______________________________________________
>>> >> >> Speakup mailing list
>>> >> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> >> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>> >> >> 
>>> >> >
>>> >> >-- 
>>> >> >	
>>> >> >				Janina Sajka, Director
>>> >> >				Technology Research and Development
>>> >> >				Governmental Relations Group
>>> >> >				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Chair, Accessibility SIG
>>> >> >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
>>> >> >http://www.openebook.org
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
>>> >> >Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
>>> >> >King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
>>> >> >http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Learn how to make accessible software at
>>> >> >http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >_______________________________________________
>>> >> >Speakup mailing list
>>> >> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>> >> >
>>> >> Jason Symes
>>> >> 
>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>> >> Speakup mailing list
>>> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>> >> 
>>> >
>>> >-- 
>>> >	
>>> >				Janina Sajka, Director
>>> >				Technology Research and Development
>>> >				Governmental Relations Group
>>> >				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>>> >
>>> >Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
>>> >
>>> >Chair, Accessibility SIG
>>> >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
>>> >http://www.openebook.org
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >_______________________________________________
>>> >Speakup mailing list
>>> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>> >
>>> Jason Symes
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>> 
>>
>>-- 
>>	
>>				Janina Sajka, Director
>>				Technology Research and Development
>>				Governmental Relations Group
>>				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>>
>>Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
>>
>>Chair, Accessibility SIG
>>Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
>>http://www.openebook.org
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Speakup mailing list
>>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>Jason Symes
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
Jason Symes

Re: New to LINUX

[Janina Sajka]

Interesting. I will be interested to hear how it goes for you on linux, 
then. At least until GNOME access becomes available to us, our linux 
access is command based, mostly, and somewhat menu based (ncurses).

My first computer was the Apple 2. I was a bit of an expert in it. I hated 
DOS but got good at it. Next, I went to OS/2 and eventually to Windows 95. 
I did not find gui easy at all, though arrowing around was never the 
reason. What I found hard was that there did not seem to be enough 
consistancy as to what "tab" contained what fields and checkboxes. And 
then there were so many dialogs that didn't talk, or didn't talk well in 
the early days. On top of that, they would freeze hard several times a 
day, and sometimes several times an hour. I tell you, I don't miss 
rebooting like Windows people of yore had to reboot--especially those of 
us twiddling with configurations. I eventually got comfortable with the 
gui, but I still hate the instability and the restrictivness.

 On 
Wed, 2 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:

> Windows was the first os I sat down and truly learned, and I've found it
> vary easy. However, it's that power that windows lacks that I'm trying to
> find in linux.
> Well, I'm not much of a traveler, or I probably would have gone to some
> place like Iowa or Minnesota.
> At 06:26 PM 1/2/02 -0500, you wrote:
> >Hi, Jason:
> >
> >Well, I don't think I agree that there's simplicity in Windows. Rather, I 
> >think it's familiarity, which can make things seem simple and obvious, 
> >when they're really not. Be that as it may, the result is the same.
> >
> >As for your college not teaching unix, too bad. Maybe it's time to change 
> >schools? <grin> I hear the U. of Singapore and many places like it will 
> >only have FREE software, but I don't really know that for a fact! <bigger 
> >grin>
> >
> > On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:
> >
> >> You caught my drift. Ms's biggest plus is its simplicity, but its apps have
> >> been stripped of all power to make it that way.
> >> The lingo is my toughest problem with linux. The rest seems to be nothing
> >> in comparison. Its a shame that my college no longer teaches any unix or
> >> linux networking concepts, but everything's gone over to win 2k.
> >> At 05:03 PM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
> >> >Jason:
> >> >
> >> >These are excellent points. I will incorporate them in the HOWTO. I have 
> >> >known for some time that lingo presents a barrier much greater than the 
> >> >actual doing of linux. But, I don't explain this in the HOWTO, and it's 
> >> >worth a sentence or two, and worth a pointer to the Linux for DOS/Windows 
> >> >Users. I'll add those.
> >> >
> >> >Also, I hear your point about the boot disk confusion--or at least I
> think 
> >> >I do. I think its confusion borne of so many options to choose amongst, 
> >> >where Windows really doesn't provide options anything like the way linux 
> >> >does. This is probably worth a few sentences as well. I think the message 
> >> >has to do with power and simplicity being opposites. Power means options 
> >> >and choices which are bound to be confusing at first. Simplicity, on the 
> >> >other hand, means few, if any choices. Did I get your drift?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I took a peak at the howto file, and, considering how I don't understand
> >> >> the lingo of linux as well as in windows, it seemed fairly straight
> >> >> forward. The only problem I had was with the boot disks stuff, but that
> >> >> again is because I'm so used to the windows way of things.
> >> >> At 11:04 AM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Hi, Jason:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >What can I say to make my point in just a few words? The links you
> found 
> >> >> >are only pointers to the actual iso files--what we call symbolic
> links. 
> >> >> >They are the result of my attempts to devise a means of streamlining
> the 
> >> >> >distribution both of these iso images and of some of the critical
> files 
> >> >> >within them, without requiring too many people make changes every time 
> >> >> >there's a new release. I tell you this because what you don't see
> looking 
> >> >> >at these symbolic links is how big the files actually are that you will
> >> be 
> >> >> >downloading. Essentially, each one is a packed CD ROM.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I don't say this to discourage you, only to inform you. In fact, if
> >> you're 
> >> >> >willing to work with a draft, you'll find a file called
> >> HOWTO-INSTALL.html 
> >> >> >in the redhat directory that answers your question about whether all
> of 
> >> >> >these files are necessary, and may answer many more questions that you 
> >> >> >have yet to ask. If you're willing to work with a prerelease draft,
> take 
> >> >> >a look at this file. Realize, please, that it isn't finished, and
> not all 
> >> >> >of the links work yet. But please do let me know if this HOWTO helps
> you 
> >> >> >understand what you need, where to get it, and how to go about
> putting it 
> >> >> >all together. That's what it's there for.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >To the rest of the folks on this list, you're welcome to look there as 
> >> >> >well--though I hadn't planned on going live quite so quickly! <grin> 
> >> >> >Please do not broadcast it or distribute it yet, though. Give me a
> chance 
> >> >> >to finish it and get all the links working. But, please do tell me
> what 
> >> >> >you think.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Happy New Year, everyone.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Ok, I think I found the files, but I want to be sure I download the
> >> correct
> >> >> >> ones. In the red hat 7.2 directory, I found a folder named images,
> which
> >> >> >> contained the files disk1.iso, disk2.iso, docs.iso, srpms1.iso, and
> >> >> >> srpms2.iso. Are all of these required, or are some of these extras?
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> At 02:30 AM 1/1/02 -0600, you wrote:
> >> >> >> >Which file is the modified rh 7.2?
> >> >> >> >tia
> >> >> >> >At 02:10 AM 1/1/02 -0600, you wrote:
> >> >> >> >>Thanks for the info. I'll consider rh.
> >> >> >> >>At 03:03 AM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>Hi all versions of Slackware 8.0 has speakup in them. Red Hat 7.2
> >> >> which is
> >> >> >> >>>really good for newbies has a modified set of cd iso images at:
> >> >> >> >>>ftp://linux-speakup.org/pub/speakup/disks/redhat/7.2/
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >> >> >> >>>From: Jason Symes <jsymes@netins.net>
> >> >> >> >>>To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> >> >> >> >>>Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 11:54 PM
> >> >> >> >>>Subject: Re: New to LINUX
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>> But that's a version of Slackware 8 without Speakup installed
> >> aready,
> >> >> >> >>>isn't
> >> >> >> >>>> it? I'm asking about the version that Thomas mentioned that had
> >> >> Speakup
> >> >> >> >>>> already installed.
> >> >> >> >>>> At 10:45 PM 12/31/01 -0600, you wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-8.0/iso/install.iso
> >> >> >> >>>> >Greg
> >> >> >> >>>> >
> >> >> >> >>>> >On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 09:29:41PM -0600, Jason Symes wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>> >> Hi Thomas.
> >> >> >> >>>> >> While answering Chuck's question about trying zipspeak,
> you made
> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >>>> >> statement:
> >> >> >> >>>> >> That's possible. Many of us started on Zipspeak,
> >> >> >> >>>> >> >   and then moved on to big and full distributions.
> >> However, if
> >> >> >> you
> >> >> >> >>>> want
> >> >> >> >>>> >> >to play with a full    distribution you might want to try
> >> >> Slackware 8
> >> >> >> >>>> which
> >> >> >> >>>> >> >comes with Speakup built    in, or Red hat 7.2 which
> there is a
> >> >> >> >>>> >> >distribution of it modified on the Speakup    site.
> >> >> >> >>>> >>
> >> >> >> >>>> >> Where can I find this version of Slackware 8 that has speakup
> >> >> already
> >> >> >> >>>built
> >> >> >> >>>> >> in?
> >> >> >> >>>> >> tia
> >> >> >> >>>> >>
> >> >> >> >>>> >> Jason Symes
> >> >> >> >>>> >>
> >> >> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> >> >>>> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> >> >> >>>> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> >> >> >>>> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >> >> >>>> >
> >> >> >> >>>> >_______________________________________________
> >> >> >> >>>> >Speakup mailing list
> >> >> >> >>>> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> >> >> >>>> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >> >> >>>> >
> >> >> >> >>>> Jason Symes
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >> >> >> >>>> Speakup mailing list
> >> >> >> >>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> >> >> >>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>_______________________________________________
> >> >> >> >>>Speakup mailing list
> >> >> >> >>>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> >> >> >>>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>Jason Symes
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________
> >> >> >> >>Speakup mailing list
> >> >> >> >>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> >> >> >>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >Jason Symes
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >_______________________________________________
> >> >> >> >Speakup mailing list
> >> >> >> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> >> >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Jason Symes
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> >> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> >> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >
> >> >> >-- 
> >> >> >	
> >> >> >				Janina Sajka, Director
> >> >> >				Technology Research and Development
> >> >> >				Governmental Relations Group
> >> >> >				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Chair, Accessibility SIG
> >> >> >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> >> >> >http://www.openebook.org
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> >> >> >Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> >> >> >King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> >> >> >http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Learn how to make accessible software at
> >> >> >http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >_______________________________________________
> >> >> >Speakup mailing list
> >> >> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >> >
> >> >> Jason Symes
> >> >> 
> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >> 
> >> >
> >> >-- 
> >> >	
> >> >				Janina Sajka, Director
> >> >				Technology Research and Development
> >> >				Governmental Relations Group
> >> >				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >> >
> >> >Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >> >
> >> >Chair, Accessibility SIG
> >> >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> >> >http://www.openebook.org
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >_______________________________________________
> >> >Speakup mailing list
> >> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >
> >> Jason Symes
> >> 
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> 
> >
> >-- 
> >	
> >				Janina Sajka, Director
> >				Technology Research and Development
> >				Governmental Relations Group
> >				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> >Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> >Chair, Accessibility SIG
> >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> >http://www.openebook.org
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> Jason Symes
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Re: New to LINUX

[Jason Symes]

Its that instability, lack of consistency, freezing problems, and
restrictiveness that I'm trying to limit myself on by using linux. I can't
give up windows for everything, since plenty of businesses are still
running quite a bit of windows, but linux is popping up in many others
around my area. Also, my braille translator's a dos/windows app.
At 10:36 AM 1/3/02 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Interesting. I will be interested to hear how it goes for you on linux, 
>then. At least until GNOME access becomes available to us, our linux 
>access is command based, mostly, and somewhat menu based (ncurses).
>
>My first computer was the Apple 2. I was a bit of an expert in it. I hated 
>DOS but got good at it. Next, I went to OS/2 and eventually to Windows 95. 
>I did not find gui easy at all, though arrowing around was never the 
>reason. What I found hard was that there did not seem to be enough 
>consistancy as to what "tab" contained what fields and checkboxes. And 
>then there were so many dialogs that didn't talk, or didn't talk well in 
>the early days. On top of that, they would freeze hard several times a 
>day, and sometimes several times an hour. I tell you, I don't miss 
>rebooting like Windows people of yore had to reboot--especially those of 
>us twiddling with configurations. I eventually got comfortable with the 
>gui, but I still hate the instability and the restrictivness.
>
> On 
>Wed, 2 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:
>
>> Windows was the first os I sat down and truly learned, and I've found it
>> vary easy. However, it's that power that windows lacks that I'm trying to
>> find in linux.
>> Well, I'm not much of a traveler, or I probably would have gone to some
>> place like Iowa or Minnesota.
>> At 06:26 PM 1/2/02 -0500, you wrote:
>> >Hi, Jason:
>> >
>> >Well, I don't think I agree that there's simplicity in Windows. Rather, I 
>> >think it's familiarity, which can make things seem simple and obvious, 
>> >when they're really not. Be that as it may, the result is the same.
>> >
>> >As for your college not teaching unix, too bad. Maybe it's time to change 
>> >schools? <grin> I hear the U. of Singapore and many places like it will 
>> >only have FREE software, but I don't really know that for a fact! <bigger 
>> >grin>
>> >
>> > On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:
>> >
>> >> You caught my drift. Ms's biggest plus is its simplicity, but its
apps have
>> >> been stripped of all power to make it that way.
>> >> The lingo is my toughest problem with linux. The rest seems to be
nothing
>> >> in comparison. Its a shame that my college no longer teaches any unix or
>> >> linux networking concepts, but everything's gone over to win 2k.
>> >> At 05:03 PM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
>> >> >Jason:
>> >> >
>> >> >These are excellent points. I will incorporate them in the HOWTO. I
have 
>> >> >known for some time that lingo presents a barrier much greater than
the 
>> >> >actual doing of linux. But, I don't explain this in the HOWTO, and
it's 
>> >> >worth a sentence or two, and worth a pointer to the Linux for
DOS/Windows 
>> >> >Users. I'll add those.
>> >> >
>> >> >Also, I hear your point about the boot disk confusion--or at least I
>> think 
>> >> >I do. I think its confusion borne of so many options to choose
amongst, 
>> >> >where Windows really doesn't provide options anything like the way
linux 
>> >> >does. This is probably worth a few sentences as well. I think the
message 
>> >> >has to do with power and simplicity being opposites. Power means
options 
>> >> >and choices which are bound to be confusing at first. Simplicity, on
the 
>> >> >other hand, means few, if any choices. Did I get your drift?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> I took a peak at the howto file, and, considering how I don't
understand
>> >> >> the lingo of linux as well as in windows, it seemed fairly straight
>> >> >> forward. The only problem I had was with the boot disks stuff, but
that
>> >> >> again is because I'm so used to the windows way of things.
>> >> >> At 11:04 AM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Hi, Jason:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >What can I say to make my point in just a few words? The links you
>> found 
>> >> >> >are only pointers to the actual iso files--what we call symbolic
>> links. 
>> >> >> >They are the result of my attempts to devise a means of streamlining
>> the 
>> >> >> >distribution both of these iso images and of some of the critical
>> files 
>> >> >> >within them, without requiring too many people make changes every
time 
>> >> >> >there's a new release. I tell you this because what you don't see
>> looking 
>> >> >> >at these symbolic links is how big the files actually are that
you will
>> >> be 
>> >> >> >downloading. Essentially, each one is a packed CD ROM.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I don't say this to discourage you, only to inform you. In fact, if
>> >> you're 
>> >> >> >willing to work with a draft, you'll find a file called
>> >> HOWTO-INSTALL.html 
>> >> >> >in the redhat directory that answers your question about whether all
>> of 
>> >> >> >these files are necessary, and may answer many more questions
that you 
>> >> >> >have yet to ask. If you're willing to work with a prerelease draft,
>> take 
>> >> >> >a look at this file. Realize, please, that it isn't finished, and
>> not all 
>> >> >> >of the links work yet. But please do let me know if this HOWTO helps
>> you 
>> >> >> >understand what you need, where to get it, and how to go about
>> putting it 
>> >> >> >all together. That's what it's there for.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >To the rest of the folks on this list, you're welcome to look
there as 
>> >> >> >well--though I hadn't planned on going live quite so quickly!
<grin> 
>> >> >> >Please do not broadcast it or distribute it yet, though. Give me a
>> chance 
>> >> >> >to finish it and get all the links working. But, please do tell me
>> what 
>> >> >> >you think.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Happy New Year, everyone.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Ok, I think I found the files, but I want to be sure I download
the
>> >> correct
>> >> >> >> ones. In the red hat 7.2 directory, I found a folder named images,
>> which
>> >> >> >> contained the files disk1.iso, disk2.iso, docs.iso, srpms1.iso,
and
>> >> >> >> srpms2.iso. Are all of these required, or are some of these
extras?
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> At 02:30 AM 1/1/02 -0600, you wrote:
>> >> >> >> >Which file is the modified rh 7.2?
>> >> >> >> >tia
>> >> >> >> >At 02:10 AM 1/1/02 -0600, you wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>Thanks for the info. I'll consider rh.
>> >> >> >> >>At 03:03 AM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>>Hi all versions of Slackware 8.0 has speakup in them. Red
Hat 7.2
>> >> >> which is
>> >> >> >> >>>really good for newbies has a modified set of cd iso images at:
>> >> >> >> >>>ftp://linux-speakup.org/pub/speakup/disks/redhat/7.2/
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>>----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> >> >>>From: Jason Symes <jsymes@netins.net>
>> >> >> >> >>>To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> >> >> >> >>>Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 11:54 PM
>> >> >> >> >>>Subject: Re: New to LINUX
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>>> But that's a version of Slackware 8 without Speakup installed
>> >> aready,
>> >> >> >> >>>isn't
>> >> >> >> >>>> it? I'm asking about the version that Thomas mentioned
that had
>> >> >> Speakup
>> >> >> >> >>>> already installed.
>> >> >> >> >>>> At 10:45 PM 12/31/01 -0600, you wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-8.0/iso/install.iso
>> >> >> >> >>>> >Greg
>> >> >> >> >>>> >
>> >> >> >> >>>> >On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 09:29:41PM -0600, Jason Symes wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>>> >> Hi Thomas.
>> >> >> >> >>>> >> While answering Chuck's question about trying zipspeak,
>> you made
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >>>> >> statement:
>> >> >> >> >>>> >> That's possible. Many of us started on Zipspeak,
>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >   and then moved on to big and full distributions.
>> >> However, if
>> >> >> >> you
>> >> >> >> >>>> want
>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >to play with a full    distribution you might want to try
>> >> >> Slackware 8
>> >> >> >> >>>> which
>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >comes with Speakup built    in, or Red hat 7.2 which
>> there is a
>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >distribution of it modified on the Speakup    site.
>> >> >> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >> >> >>>> >> Where can I find this version of Slackware 8 that has
speakup
>> >> >> already
>> >> >> >> >>>built
>> >> >> >> >>>> >> in?
>> >> >> >> >>>> >> tia
>> >> >> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >> >> >>>> >> Jason Symes
>> >> >> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> >> >> >>>> >> Speakup mailing list
>> >> >> >> >>>> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> >> >> >>>> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> >> >> >>>> >
>> >> >> >> >>>> >_______________________________________________
>> >> >> >> >>>> >Speakup mailing list
>> >> >> >> >>>> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> >> >> >>>> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> >> >> >>>> >
>> >> >> >> >>>> Jason Symes
>> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>> _______________________________________________
>> >> >> >> >>>> Speakup mailing list
>> >> >> >> >>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> >> >> >>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>>_______________________________________________
>> >> >> >> >>>Speakup mailing list
>> >> >> >> >>>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> >> >> >>>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>Jason Symes
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________
>> >> >> >> >>Speakup mailing list
>> >> >> >> >>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> >> >> >>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >Jason Symes
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >_______________________________________________
>> >> >> >> >Speakup mailing list
>> >> >> >> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> >> >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Jason Symes
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> >> >> Speakup mailing list
>> >> >> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> >> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >-- 
>> >> >> >	
>> >> >> >				Janina Sajka, Director
>> >> >> >				Technology Research and Development
>> >> >> >				Governmental Relations Group
>> >> >> >				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Chair, Accessibility SIG
>> >> >> >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
>> >> >> >http://www.openebook.org
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
>> >> >> >Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
>> >> >> >King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
>> >> >> >http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Learn how to make accessible software at
>> >> >> >http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >_______________________________________________
>> >> >> >Speakup mailing list
>> >> >> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> Jason Symes
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> >> Speakup mailing list
>> >> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> >> 
>> >> >
>> >> >-- 
>> >> >	
>> >> >				Janina Sajka, Director
>> >> >				Technology Research and Development
>> >> >				Governmental Relations Group
>> >> >				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>> >> >
>> >> >Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
>> >> >
>> >> >Chair, Accessibility SIG
>> >> >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
>> >> >http://www.openebook.org
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >_______________________________________________
>> >> >Speakup mailing list
>> >> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> >
>> >> Jason Symes
>> >> 
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Speakup mailing list
>> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> 
>> >
>> >-- 
>> >	
>> >				Janina Sajka, Director
>> >				Technology Research and Development
>> >				Governmental Relations Group
>> >				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>> >
>> >Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
>> >
>> >Chair, Accessibility SIG
>> >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
>> >http://www.openebook.org
>> >
>> >
>> >_______________________________________________
>> >Speakup mailing list
>> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >
>> Jason Symes
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> 
>
>-- 
>	
>				Janina Sajka, Director
>				Technology Research and Development
>				Governmental Relations Group
>				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
>Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
>Chair, Accessibility SIG
>Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
>http://www.openebook.org
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
Jason Symes

Re: New to LINUX

[rmann]

Just for your information, there is a braille translator available that
works under Linux.  It is called NFBtrans.  You can get it at NFB's web
site at www.nfb.org.


On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:

> Its that instability, lack of consistency, freezing problems, and
> restrictiveness that I'm trying to limit myself on by using linux. I can't
> give up windows for everything, since plenty of businesses are still
> running quite a bit of windows, but linux is popping up in many others
> around my area. Also, my braille translator's a dos/windows app.
> At 10:36 AM 1/3/02 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> >Interesting. I will be interested to hear how it goes for you on linux,
> >then. At least until GNOME access becomes available to us, our linux
> >access is command based, mostly, and somewhat menu based (ncurses).
> >
> >My first computer was the Apple 2. I was a bit of an expert in it. I hated
> >DOS but got good at it. Next, I went to OS/2 and eventually to Windows 95.
> >I did not find gui easy at all, though arrowing around was never the
> >reason. What I found hard was that there did not seem to be enough
> >consistancy as to what "tab" contained what fields and checkboxes. And
> >then there were so many dialogs that didn't talk, or didn't talk well in
> >the early days. On top of that, they would freeze hard several times a
> >day, and sometimes several times an hour. I tell you, I don't miss
> >rebooting like Windows people of yore had to reboot--especially those of
> >us twiddling with configurations. I eventually got comfortable with the
> >gui, but I still hate the instability and the restrictivness.
> >
> > On
> >Wed, 2 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:
> >
> >> Windows was the first os I sat down and truly learned, and I've found it
> >> vary easy. However, it's that power that windows lacks that I'm trying to
> >> find in linux.
> >> Well, I'm not much of a traveler, or I probably would have gone to some
> >> place like Iowa or Minnesota.
> >> At 06:26 PM 1/2/02 -0500, you wrote:
> >> >Hi, Jason:
> >> >
> >> >Well, I don't think I agree that there's simplicity in Windows. Rather, I
> >> >think it's familiarity, which can make things seem simple and obvious,
> >> >when they're really not. Be that as it may, the result is the same.
> >> >
> >> >As for your college not teaching unix, too bad. Maybe it's time to change
> >> >schools? <grin> I hear the U. of Singapore and many places like it will
> >> >only have FREE software, but I don't really know that for a fact! <bigger
> >> >grin>
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> You caught my drift. Ms's biggest plus is its simplicity, but its
> apps have
> >> >> been stripped of all power to make it that way.
> >> >> The lingo is my toughest problem with linux. The rest seems to be
> nothing
> >> >> in comparison. Its a shame that my college no longer teaches any unix or
> >> >> linux networking concepts, but everything's gone over to win 2k.
> >> >> At 05:03 PM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
> >> >> >Jason:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >These are excellent points. I will incorporate them in the HOWTO. I
> have
> >> >> >known for some time that lingo presents a barrier much greater than
> the
> >> >> >actual doing of linux. But, I don't explain this in the HOWTO, and
> it's
> >> >> >worth a sentence or two, and worth a pointer to the Linux for
> DOS/Windows
> >> >> >Users. I'll add those.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Also, I hear your point about the boot disk confusion--or at least I
> >> think
> >> >> >I do. I think its confusion borne of so many options to choose
> amongst,
> >> >> >where Windows really doesn't provide options anything like the way
> linux
> >> >> >does. This is probably worth a few sentences as well. I think the
> message
> >> >> >has to do with power and simplicity being opposites. Power means
> options
> >> >> >and choices which are bound to be confusing at first. Simplicity, on
> the
> >> >> >other hand, means few, if any choices. Did I get your drift?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> I took a peak at the howto file, and, considering how I don't
> understand
> >> >> >> the lingo of linux as well as in windows, it seemed fairly straight
> >> >> >> forward. The only problem I had was with the boot disks stuff, but
> that
> >> >> >> again is because I'm so used to the windows way of things.
> >> >> >> At 11:04 AM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Hi, Jason:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >What can I say to make my point in just a few words? The links you
> >> found
> >> >> >> >are only pointers to the actual iso files--what we call symbolic
> >> links.
> >> >> >> >They are the result of my attempts to devise a means of streamlining
> >> the
> >> >> >> >distribution both of these iso images and of some of the critical
> >> files
> >> >> >> >within them, without requiring too many people make changes every
> time
> >> >> >> >there's a new release. I tell you this because what you don't see
> >> looking
> >> >> >> >at these symbolic links is how big the files actually are that
> you will
> >> >> be
> >> >> >> >downloading. Essentially, each one is a packed CD ROM.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >I don't say this to discourage you, only to inform you. In fact, if
> >> >> you're
> >> >> >> >willing to work with a draft, you'll find a file called
> >> >> HOWTO-INSTALL.html
> >> >> >> >in the redhat directory that answers your question about whether all
> >> of
> >> >> >> >these files are necessary, and may answer many more questions
> that you
> >> >> >> >have yet to ask. If you're willing to work with a prerelease draft,
> >> take
> >> >> >> >a look at this file. Realize, please, that it isn't finished, and
> >> not all
> >> >> >> >of the links work yet. But please do let me know if this HOWTO helps
> >> you
> >> >> >> >understand what you need, where to get it, and how to go about
> >> putting it
> >> >> >> >all together. That's what it's there for.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >To the rest of the folks on this list, you're welcome to look
> there as
> >> >> >> >well--though I hadn't planned on going live quite so quickly!
> <grin>
> >> >> >> >Please do not broadcast it or distribute it yet, though. Give me a
> >> chance
> >> >> >> >to finish it and get all the links working. But, please do tell me
> >> what
> >> >> >> >you think.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Happy New Year, everyone.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> Ok, I think I found the files, but I want to be sure I download
> the
> >> >> correct
> >> >> >> >> ones. In the red hat 7.2 directory, I found a folder named images,
> >> which
> >> >> >> >> contained the files disk1.iso, disk2.iso, docs.iso, srpms1.iso,
> and
> >> >> >> >> srpms2.iso. Are all of these required, or are some of these
> extras?
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> At 02:30 AM 1/1/02 -0600, you wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >Which file is the modified rh 7.2?
> >> >> >> >> >tia
> >> >> >> >> >At 02:10 AM 1/1/02 -0600, you wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>Thanks for the info. I'll consider rh.
> >> >> >> >> >>At 03:03 AM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>>Hi all versions of Slackware 8.0 has speakup in them. Red
> Hat 7.2
> >> >> >> which is
> >> >> >> >> >>>really good for newbies has a modified set of cd iso images at:
> >> >> >> >> >>>ftp://linux-speakup.org/pub/speakup/disks/redhat/7.2/
> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >> >> >> >> >>>From: Jason Symes <jsymes@netins.net>
> >> >> >> >> >>>To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> >> >> >> >> >>>Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 11:54 PM
> >> >> >> >> >>>Subject: Re: New to LINUX
> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> >>>> But that's a version of Slackware 8 without Speakup installed
> >> >> aready,
> >> >> >> >> >>>isn't
> >> >> >> >> >>>> it? I'm asking about the version that Thomas mentioned
> that had
> >> >> >> Speakup
> >> >> >> >> >>>> already installed.
> >> >> >> >> >>>> At 10:45 PM 12/31/01 -0600, you wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-8.0/iso/install.iso
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >Greg
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 09:29:41PM -0600, Jason Symes wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> Hi Thomas.
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> While answering Chuck's question about trying zipspeak,
> >> you made
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> statement:
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> That's possible. Many of us started on Zipspeak,
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >   and then moved on to big and full distributions.
> >> >> However, if
> >> >> >> >> you
> >> >> >> >> >>>> want
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >to play with a full    distribution you might want to try
> >> >> >> Slackware 8
> >> >> >> >> >>>> which
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >comes with Speakup built    in, or Red hat 7.2 which
> >> there is a
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >distribution of it modified on the Speakup    site.
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> Where can I find this version of Slackware 8 that has
> speakup
> >> >> >> already
> >> >> >> >> >>>built
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> in?
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> tia
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> Jason Symes
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >_______________________________________________
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >Speakup mailing list
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >
> >> >> >> >> >>>> Jason Symes
> >> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >> >> >> >> >>>> Speakup mailing list
> >> >> >> >> >>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> >> >> >> >>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> >>>_______________________________________________
> >> >> >> >> >>>Speakup mailing list
> >> >> >> >> >>>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> >> >> >> >>>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> >>Jason Symes
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________
> >> >> >> >> >>Speakup mailing list
> >> >> >> >> >>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> >> >> >> >>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >Jason Symes
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >_______________________________________________
> >> >> >> >> >Speakup mailing list
> >> >> >> >> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> >> >> >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> Jason Symes
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> >> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> >> >> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> >> >> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >--
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >				Janina Sajka, Director
> >> >> >> >				Technology Research and Development
> >> >> >> >				Governmental Relations Group
> >> >> >> >				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Chair, Accessibility SIG
> >> >> >> >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> >> >> >> >http://www.openebook.org
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> >> >> >> >Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> >> >> >> >King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> >> >> >> >http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Learn how to make accessible software at
> >> >> >> >http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >_______________________________________________
> >> >> >> >Speakup mailing list
> >> >> >> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> >> >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Jason Symes
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> >> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> >> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >--
> >> >> >
> >> >> >				Janina Sajka, Director
> >> >> >				Technology Research and Development
> >> >> >				Governmental Relations Group
> >> >> >				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Chair, Accessibility SIG
> >> >> >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> >> >> >http://www.openebook.org
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >_______________________________________________
> >> >> >Speakup mailing list
> >> >> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >> >
> >> >> Jason Symes
> >> >>
> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >--
> >> >
> >> >				Janina Sajka, Director
> >> >				Technology Research and Development
> >> >				Governmental Relations Group
> >> >				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >> >
> >> >Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >> >
> >> >Chair, Accessibility SIG
> >> >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> >> >http://www.openebook.org
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >_______________________________________________
> >> >Speakup mailing list
> >> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >
> >> Jason Symes
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >>
> >
> >--
> >
> >				Janina Sajka, Director
> >				Technology Research and Development
> >				Governmental Relations Group
> >				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> >Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> >Chair, Accessibility SIG
> >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> >http://www.openebook.org
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> Jason Symes
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: New to LINUX

[Jason Symes]

Thanks. I'll take a look at it when redhat finishes downloading and I get
it installed.
At 01:08 PM 1/3/02 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Just for your information, there is a braille translator available that
>works under Linux.  It is called NFBtrans.  You can get it at NFB's web
>site at www.nfb.org.
>
>
>On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:
>
>> Its that instability, lack of consistency, freezing problems, and
>> restrictiveness that I'm trying to limit myself on by using linux. I can't
>> give up windows for everything, since plenty of businesses are still
>> running quite a bit of windows, but linux is popping up in many others
>> around my area. Also, my braille translator's a dos/windows app.
>> At 10:36 AM 1/3/02 -0500, you wrote:
>> >
>> >Interesting. I will be interested to hear how it goes for you on linux,
>> >then. At least until GNOME access becomes available to us, our linux
>> >access is command based, mostly, and somewhat menu based (ncurses).
>> >
>> >My first computer was the Apple 2. I was a bit of an expert in it. I hated
>> >DOS but got good at it. Next, I went to OS/2 and eventually to Windows 95.
>> >I did not find gui easy at all, though arrowing around was never the
>> >reason. What I found hard was that there did not seem to be enough
>> >consistancy as to what "tab" contained what fields and checkboxes. And
>> >then there were so many dialogs that didn't talk, or didn't talk well in
>> >the early days. On top of that, they would freeze hard several times a
>> >day, and sometimes several times an hour. I tell you, I don't miss
>> >rebooting like Windows people of yore had to reboot--especially those of
>> >us twiddling with configurations. I eventually got comfortable with the
>> >gui, but I still hate the instability and the restrictivness.
>> >
>> > On
>> >Wed, 2 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:
>> >
>> >> Windows was the first os I sat down and truly learned, and I've found it
>> >> vary easy. However, it's that power that windows lacks that I'm
trying to
>> >> find in linux.
>> >> Well, I'm not much of a traveler, or I probably would have gone to some
>> >> place like Iowa or Minnesota.
>> >> At 06:26 PM 1/2/02 -0500, you wrote:
>> >> >Hi, Jason:
>> >> >
>> >> >Well, I don't think I agree that there's simplicity in Windows.
Rather, I
>> >> >think it's familiarity, which can make things seem simple and obvious,
>> >> >when they're really not. Be that as it may, the result is the same.
>> >> >
>> >> >As for your college not teaching unix, too bad. Maybe it's time to
change
>> >> >schools? <grin> I hear the U. of Singapore and many places like it will
>> >> >only have FREE software, but I don't really know that for a fact!
<bigger
>> >> >grin>
>> >> >
>> >> > On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> You caught my drift. Ms's biggest plus is its simplicity, but its
>> apps have
>> >> >> been stripped of all power to make it that way.
>> >> >> The lingo is my toughest problem with linux. The rest seems to be
>> nothing
>> >> >> in comparison. Its a shame that my college no longer teaches any
unix or
>> >> >> linux networking concepts, but everything's gone over to win 2k.
>> >> >> At 05:03 PM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
>> >> >> >Jason:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >These are excellent points. I will incorporate them in the HOWTO. I
>> have
>> >> >> >known for some time that lingo presents a barrier much greater than
>> the
>> >> >> >actual doing of linux. But, I don't explain this in the HOWTO, and
>> it's
>> >> >> >worth a sentence or two, and worth a pointer to the Linux for
>> DOS/Windows
>> >> >> >Users. I'll add those.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Also, I hear your point about the boot disk confusion--or at least I
>> >> think
>> >> >> >I do. I think its confusion borne of so many options to choose
>> amongst,
>> >> >> >where Windows really doesn't provide options anything like the way
>> linux
>> >> >> >does. This is probably worth a few sentences as well. I think the
>> message
>> >> >> >has to do with power and simplicity being opposites. Power means
>> options
>> >> >> >and choices which are bound to be confusing at first. Simplicity, on
>> the
>> >> >> >other hand, means few, if any choices. Did I get your drift?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> I took a peak at the howto file, and, considering how I don't
>> understand
>> >> >> >> the lingo of linux as well as in windows, it seemed fairly
straight
>> >> >> >> forward. The only problem I had was with the boot disks stuff, but
>> that
>> >> >> >> again is because I'm so used to the windows way of things.
>> >> >> >> At 11:04 AM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Hi, Jason:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >What can I say to make my point in just a few words? The links
you
>> >> found
>> >> >> >> >are only pointers to the actual iso files--what we call symbolic
>> >> links.
>> >> >> >> >They are the result of my attempts to devise a means of
streamlining
>> >> the
>> >> >> >> >distribution both of these iso images and of some of the critical
>> >> files
>> >> >> >> >within them, without requiring too many people make changes every
>> time
>> >> >> >> >there's a new release. I tell you this because what you don't see
>> >> looking
>> >> >> >> >at these symbolic links is how big the files actually are that
>> you will
>> >> >> be
>> >> >> >> >downloading. Essentially, each one is a packed CD ROM.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >I don't say this to discourage you, only to inform you. In
fact, if
>> >> >> you're
>> >> >> >> >willing to work with a draft, you'll find a file called
>> >> >> HOWTO-INSTALL.html
>> >> >> >> >in the redhat directory that answers your question about
whether all
>> >> of
>> >> >> >> >these files are necessary, and may answer many more questions
>> that you
>> >> >> >> >have yet to ask. If you're willing to work with a prerelease
draft,
>> >> take
>> >> >> >> >a look at this file. Realize, please, that it isn't finished, and
>> >> not all
>> >> >> >> >of the links work yet. But please do let me know if this HOWTO
helps
>> >> you
>> >> >> >> >understand what you need, where to get it, and how to go about
>> >> putting it
>> >> >> >> >all together. That's what it's there for.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >To the rest of the folks on this list, you're welcome to look
>> there as
>> >> >> >> >well--though I hadn't planned on going live quite so quickly!
>> <grin>
>> >> >> >> >Please do not broadcast it or distribute it yet, though. Give
me a
>> >> chance
>> >> >> >> >to finish it and get all the links working. But, please do
tell me
>> >> what
>> >> >> >> >you think.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Happy New Year, everyone.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> Ok, I think I found the files, but I want to be sure I download
>> the
>> >> >> correct
>> >> >> >> >> ones. In the red hat 7.2 directory, I found a folder named
images,
>> >> which
>> >> >> >> >> contained the files disk1.iso, disk2.iso, docs.iso, srpms1.iso,
>> and
>> >> >> >> >> srpms2.iso. Are all of these required, or are some of these
>> extras?
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> At 02:30 AM 1/1/02 -0600, you wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >Which file is the modified rh 7.2?
>> >> >> >> >> >tia
>> >> >> >> >> >At 02:10 AM 1/1/02 -0600, you wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>Thanks for the info. I'll consider rh.
>> >> >> >> >> >>At 03:03 AM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>>Hi all versions of Slackware 8.0 has speakup in them. Red
>> Hat 7.2
>> >> >> >> which is
>> >> >> >> >> >>>really good for newbies has a modified set of cd iso
images at:
>> >> >> >> >> >>>ftp://linux-speakup.org/pub/speakup/disks/redhat/7.2/
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> >> >> >>>From: Jason Symes <jsymes@netins.net>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 11:54 PM
>> >> >> >> >> >>>Subject: Re: New to LINUX
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> But that's a version of Slackware 8 without Speakup
installed
>> >> >> aready,
>> >> >> >> >> >>>isn't
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> it? I'm asking about the version that Thomas mentioned
>> that had
>> >> >> >> Speakup
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> already installed.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> At 10:45 PM 12/31/01 -0600, you wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-8.0/iso/install.iso
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >Greg
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 09:29:41PM -0600, Jason Symes
wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> Hi Thomas.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> While answering Chuck's question about trying zipspeak,
>> >> you made
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> statement:
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> That's possible. Many of us started on Zipspeak,
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >   and then moved on to big and full distributions.
>> >> >> However, if
>> >> >> >> >> you
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> want
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >to play with a full    distribution you might want
to try
>> >> >> >> Slackware 8
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> which
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >comes with Speakup built    in, or Red hat 7.2 which
>> >> there is a
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >distribution of it modified on the Speakup    site.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> Where can I find this version of Slackware 8 that has
>> speakup
>> >> >> >> already
>> >> >> >> >> >>>built
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> in?
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> tia
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> Jason Symes
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> Speakup mailing list
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >_______________________________________________
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >Speakup mailing list
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> Jason Symes
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> _______________________________________________
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> Speakup mailing list
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>_______________________________________________
>> >> >> >> >> >>>Speakup mailing list
>> >> >> >> >> >>>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> >> >> >> >>>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>Jason Symes
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________
>> >> >> >> >> >>Speakup mailing list
>> >> >> >> >> >>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> >> >> >> >>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >Jason Symes
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >_______________________________________________
>> >> >> >> >> >Speakup mailing list
>> >> >> >> >> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> >> >> >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> Jason Symes
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> >> >> >> Speakup mailing list
>> >> >> >> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> >> >> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >--
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >				Janina Sajka, Director
>> >> >> >> >				Technology Research and Development
>> >> >> >> >				Governmental Relations Group
>> >> >> >> >				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Chair, Accessibility SIG
>> >> >> >> >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
>> >> >> >> >http://www.openebook.org
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
>> >> >> >> >Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin
Luther
>> >> >> >> >King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
>> >> >> >> >http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Learn how to make accessible software at
>> >> >> >> >http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >_______________________________________________
>> >> >> >> >Speakup mailing list
>> >> >> >> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> >> >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Jason Symes
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> >> >> Speakup mailing list
>> >> >> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> >> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >--
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >				Janina Sajka, Director
>> >> >> >				Technology Research and Development
>> >> >> >				Governmental Relations Group
>> >> >> >				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Chair, Accessibility SIG
>> >> >> >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
>> >> >> >http://www.openebook.org
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >_______________________________________________
>> >> >> >Speakup mailing list
>> >> >> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> Jason Symes
>> >> >>
>> >> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> >> Speakup mailing list
>> >> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >--
>> >> >
>> >> >				Janina Sajka, Director
>> >> >				Technology Research and Development
>> >> >				Governmental Relations Group
>> >> >				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>> >> >
>> >> >Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
>> >> >
>> >> >Chair, Accessibility SIG
>> >> >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
>> >> >http://www.openebook.org
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >_______________________________________________
>> >> >Speakup mailing list
>> >> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> >
>> >> Jason Symes
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Speakup mailing list
>> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >>
>> >
>> >--
>> >
>> >				Janina Sajka, Director
>> >				Technology Research and Development
>> >				Governmental Relations Group
>> >				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>> >
>> >Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
>> >
>> >Chair, Accessibility SIG
>> >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
>> >http://www.openebook.org
>> >
>> >
>> >_______________________________________________
>> >Speakup mailing list
>> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >
>> Jason Symes
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
Jason Symes

Re: New to Linux

[Alex Snow]

You can also (assuming they still do it) order free cds from ubuntu.
On 
Sat, Feb 02, 2008 at 12:15:53AM -0500, Lorenzo Taylor wrote:
> You can purchase the disk if you want, but a simple download/burn is
> sufficient. There is no difference between a purchased copy and a
> downloaded copy except cost.
> 
> HTH,
> Lorenzo	
> If you stand on your head, you will get footprints in your hair.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
Waving away a cloud of smoke, I look up, and am blinded by a bright, white
light.  It's God. No, not Richard Stallman, or Linus Torvalds, but God. In
a booming voice, He says: "THIS IS A SIGN. USE LINUX, THE FREE UNIX SYSTEM
FOR THE 386.
	-- Matt Welsh

Re: New to Linux

[Alex Snow]

It should...the purchased disks should be the same as what you 
download.
On Fri, Feb 01, 2008 at 08:03:28PM -0500, Will Smith wrote:
> 
> 
> I wonder if a purchased  Ubantu 7.10 disc will include what is needed to 
> get speech wrking following these instructions?
> 
> Will
> wilsmith@iglou.com
> On Fri, 1 Feb 2008, Lorenzo 
> Taylor wrote:
> 
> > This one is pretty easy. <smile>
> >
> > To get Ubuntu talking, just wait until about 5 seconds after the CD
> > starts spinning and press f5 followed by 3 and enter twice. This will
> > give you complete access to a speaking Ubuntu Linux system complete with
> > software speech via eSpeak.
> >
> > As for Oralux, it is now a dead project according to its developers.
> > Ubuntu is the most accessible live CD with the exception of grml if you
> > like the command line interface. Grml is the most accessible live CD for
> > that whereas Ubuntu is the most accessible live CD for the GNOME
> > desktop.
> >
> > HTH,
> > Lorenzo
> > There is no character, howsoever good and fine, but it can be destroyed
> > by ridicule, howsoever poor and witless. Observe the ass, for instance:
> > his character is about perfect, he is the choicest spirit among all the
> > humbler animals, yet see what ridicule has brought him to. Instead of
> > feeling complimented when we are called an ass, we are left in doubt. --
> > Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar"
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
Now, it we had this sort of thing:
  yield -a     for yield to all traffic
  yield -t     for yield to trucks
  yield -f     for yield to people walking (yield foot)
  yield -d t*  for yield on days starting with t

...you'd have a lot of dead people at intersections, and traffic jams you
wouldn't believe...
	-- Discussion on the intuitiveness of commands

Re: New to Linux

[Alex Snow]

Ubuntu is probably your best bet then, it comes with orca configured 
and working by default, so is rather easy to get a gui environment up 
and running from the livecd.
On Fri, Feb 01, 2008 at 03:35:01PM -0600, 
Kelly Sapergia wrote:
> Hi,
>     After hearing about Linux from my brother (I think he was using 
> Ubuntu), I thought I'd give it a try on my laptop. For the moment, 
> I'm interested in just using a live CD so I can go back to using 
> Windows XP later.
>     I've downloaded both Ubuntu and Oralux, and am just wondering if 
> anyone can give me any hints on getting started using these systems? 
> In particular, I'm wondering if there's a way to get a live CD to 
> come up talking when the system loads? Also, do these variants of 
> Linux support software speech? I ask because I don't have a hardware synth.
>     Thanks for your help.
> 
> 
> Yours Sincerely,
> Kelly John Sapergia
> Personal Website: http://www.ksapergia.net
> Need to relax and unwind? Listen to "Northern Lights", Thursdays from 
> 01:00 to 03:00 GMT (Wednesdays in North America) on ACB (American 
> Council of the Blind) Radio Interactive at http://interactive.acbradio.org
> Visit the show's website at http://nl.ksapergia.net
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> affordable price, visit KJS Productions at: http://www.kjsproductions.com
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because you only need to learn 5000 commands, and then everything else follows
from that! Har har har!"
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Re: New to Linux

[Lorenzo Taylor]

You can purchase the disk if you want, but a simple download/burn is
sufficient. There is no difference between a purchased copy and a
downloaded copy except cost.

HTH,
Lorenzo	
If you stand on your head, you will get footprints in your hair.

re: new to linux

[Jude DaShiell]

To get grml using software speech at the boot prompt type: grml swspeak 
<cr> The boot prompt comes up just after your cd stops spinning for a few 
seconds.  If you do a typo, hit control-u to wipe the line or backspace to 
wipe a single character.  If everything works you'll hear a finished 
booting message and be told to type swspeak to get speech going.  Do that 
and you should be on your way.  grml is a security hardened debian 
distribution.  It's easier to make install on a hard drive than ubuntu for 
now.  Ubuntu is working to catch up on that score though.

Re: New to Linux

[Karen Lewellen]

As a variation on this question given how fast the Linux world can 
change.
Who has the best hardware synthesizer support, if you are talking Dec talk 
express?
Karen

On Fri, 1 Feb 2008, Will Smith wrote:

>
>
> I wonder if a purchased  Ubantu 7.10 disc will include what is needed to
> get speech wrking following these instructions?
>
> Will
> wilsmith@iglou.com
> On Fri, 1 Feb 2008, Lorenzo
> Taylor wrote:
>
>> This one is pretty easy. <smile>
>>
>> To get Ubuntu talking, just wait until about 5 seconds after the CD
>> starts spinning and press f5 followed by 3 and enter twice. This will
>> give you complete access to a speaking Ubuntu Linux system complete with
>> software speech via eSpeak.
>>
>> As for Oralux, it is now a dead project according to its developers.
>> Ubuntu is the most accessible live CD with the exception of grml if you
>> like the command line interface. Grml is the most accessible live CD for
>> that whereas Ubuntu is the most accessible live CD for the GNOME
>> desktop.
>>
>> HTH,
>> Lorenzo
>> There is no character, howsoever good and fine, but it can be destroyed
>> by ridicule, howsoever poor and witless. Observe the ass, for instance:
>> his character is about perfect, he is the choicest spirit among all the
>> humbler animals, yet see what ridicule has brought him to. Instead of
>> feeling complimented when we are called an ass, we are left in doubt. --
>> Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar"
>>
>>
>>
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Re: New to Linux

[Will Smith]

I wonder if a purchased  Ubantu 7.10 disc will include what is needed to 
get speech wrking following these instructions?

Will
wilsmith@iglou.com
On Fri, 1 Feb 2008, Lorenzo 
Taylor wrote:

> This one is pretty easy. <smile>
>
> To get Ubuntu talking, just wait until about 5 seconds after the CD
> starts spinning and press f5 followed by 3 and enter twice. This will
> give you complete access to a speaking Ubuntu Linux system complete with
> software speech via eSpeak.
>
> As for Oralux, it is now a dead project according to its developers.
> Ubuntu is the most accessible live CD with the exception of grml if you
> like the command line interface. Grml is the most accessible live CD for
> that whereas Ubuntu is the most accessible live CD for the GNOME
> desktop.
>
> HTH,
> Lorenzo
> There is no character, howsoever good and fine, but it can be destroyed
> by ridicule, howsoever poor and witless. Observe the ass, for instance:
> his character is about perfect, he is the choicest spirit among all the
> humbler animals, yet see what ridicule has brought him to. Instead of
> feeling complimented when we are called an ass, we are left in doubt. --
> Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar"
>
>
>
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Re: New to Linux

[Hart Larry]

Well, Kelly, I thinkthese live distributions mostly work with software 
speech--and don't forget about GRML
Hart

RE: New to Linux

[Don Raikes]

Kelly,

Ubuntu supports the gnome desktop speaking using orca and the espeak software synthesizer.

When you boot off of the live cd, once the cd spins up, press <f5> then downarrow 3 times to select accessible mode.
Press <enter> twice and wait. it will take a while to load , but you should eventually hear some music then a short pause 30-seconds to a minute probably then orca should start talking.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Kelly Sapergia
> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 2:35 PM
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: New to Linux
> 
> 
> Hi,
>     After hearing about Linux from my brother (I think he was using
> Ubuntu), I thought I'd give it a try on my laptop. For the moment,
> I'm interested in just using a live CD so I can go back to using
> Windows XP later.
>     I've downloaded both Ubuntu and Oralux, and am just wondering if
> anyone can give me any hints on getting started using these systems?
> In particular, I'm wondering if there's a way to get a live CD to
> come up talking when the system loads? Also, do these variants of
> Linux support software speech? I ask because I don't have a 
> hardware synth.
>     Thanks for your help.
> 
> 
> Yours Sincerely,
> Kelly John Sapergia
> Personal Website: http://www.ksapergia.net
> Need to relax and unwind? Listen to "Northern Lights", Thursdays from
> 01:00 to 03:00 GMT (Wednesdays in North America) on ACB (American
> Council of the Blind) Radio Interactive at 
> http://interactive.acbradio.org
> Visit the show's website at http://nl.ksapergia.net
> If you need jingles, voiceovers and music for your project at an
> affordable price, visit KJS Productions at: 
> http://www.kjsproductions.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: New to Linux

[Kelly Sapergia]

>Hi,
    Thanks for letting me know about GRML. Is there anything you need 
to do to get it talking? As well, with both Ubuntu and GRML, if I 
wanted to run a program I downloaded from a website, would it depend 
on what system I use? In other words, would I have to look for a 
particular version of the program that supports, say, GRML?
    Finally, are there any accessible games available for these 
variants of Linux?
    Thanks again.


Yours Sincerely,
Kelly John Sapergia
Personal Website: http://www.ksapergia.net
Need to relax and unwind? Listen to "Northern Lights", Thursdays from 
01:00 to 03:00 GMT (Wednesdays in North America) on ACB (American 
Council of the Blind) Radio Interactive at http://interactive.acbradio.org
Visit the show's website at http://nl.ksapergia.net
If you need jingles, voiceovers and music for your project at an 
affordable price, visit KJS Productions at: http://www.kjsproductions.com

Re: New to Linux

[Chris Norman]

Ubuntu is probably the best, that's what I'm using now.

It has a gui, unlike Oralux (as far as I am aware), and yes, they both
support software speech. If you look on:

http://live.gnome.org/Orca

You'll find instructions.

Orca is the name of the screen reader, the FAQ contains a lot of
information.

I believe the howto for getting Ubuntu talking from boot is detailed in
the downloadinstall section.

HTH.

On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 15:35 -0600, Kelly Sapergia wrote:
> Hi,
>     After hearing about Linux from my brother (I think he was using 
> Ubuntu), I thought I'd give it a try on my laptop. For the moment, 
> I'm interested in just using a live CD so I can go back to using 
> Windows XP later.
>     I've downloaded both Ubuntu and Oralux, and am just wondering if 
> anyone can give me any hints on getting started using these systems? 
> In particular, I'm wondering if there's a way to get a live CD to 
> come up talking when the system loads? Also, do these variants of 
> Linux support software speech? I ask because I don't have a hardware synth.
>     Thanks for your help.
> 
> 
> Yours Sincerely,
> Kelly John Sapergia
> Personal Website: http://www.ksapergia.net
> Need to relax and unwind? Listen to "Northern Lights", Thursdays from 
> 01:00 to 03:00 GMT (Wednesdays in North America) on ACB (American 
> Council of the Blind) Radio Interactive at http://interactive.acbradio.org
> Visit the show's website at http://nl.ksapergia.net
> If you need jingles, voiceovers and music for your project at an 
> affordable price, visit KJS Productions at: http://www.kjsproductions.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
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Re: New to Linux

[Lorenzo Taylor]

This one is pretty easy. <smile>

To get Ubuntu talking, just wait until about 5 seconds after the CD
starts spinning and press f5 followed by 3 and enter twice. This will
give you complete access to a speaking Ubuntu Linux system complete with
software speech via eSpeak.

As for Oralux, it is now a dead project according to its developers.
Ubuntu is the most accessible live CD with the exception of grml if you
like the command line interface. Grml is the most accessible live CD for
that whereas Ubuntu is the most accessible live CD for the GNOME
desktop.

HTH,
Lorenzo
There is no character, howsoever good and fine, but it can be destroyed
by ridicule, howsoever poor and witless. Observe the ass, for instance:
his character is about perfect, he is the choicest spirit among all the
humbler animals, yet see what ridicule has brought him to. Instead of
feeling complimented when we are called an ass, we are left in doubt. --
Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar"

New to Linux

[Kelly Sapergia]

Hi,
    After hearing about Linux from my brother (I think he was using 
Ubuntu), I thought I'd give it a try on my laptop. For the moment, 
I'm interested in just using a live CD so I can go back to using 
Windows XP later.
    I've downloaded both Ubuntu and Oralux, and am just wondering if 
anyone can give me any hints on getting started using these systems? 
In particular, I'm wondering if there's a way to get a live CD to 
come up talking when the system loads? Also, do these variants of 
Linux support software speech? I ask because I don't have a hardware synth.
    Thanks for your help.


Yours Sincerely,
Kelly John Sapergia
Personal Website: http://www.ksapergia.net
Need to relax and unwind? Listen to "Northern Lights", Thursdays from 
01:00 to 03:00 GMT (Wednesdays in North America) on ACB (American 
Council of the Blind) Radio Interactive at http://interactive.acbradio.org
Visit the show's website at http://nl.ksapergia.net
If you need jingles, voiceovers and music for your project at an 
affordable price, visit KJS Productions at: http://www.kjsproductions.com