speakup "remembers" old screen

speakup "remembers" old screen

[John Heim]

Occasionally I have a problem with speakup, it seems to re-read a screen 
that was previously displayed rather than what is currently on the screen. I 
don't really know of anything in particular that causes it.  But, for 
example, I might do a ifconfig and then a clear, and it will keep reading 
the ifconfig info as if it's still on the screen.

I've noticed this behaviour in many versions of the kernel. I know at least 
that it's happened with kernels i've compiled myself from 2.6.12 through 
2.6.18. I can't say for sure that it's happened on machines running a kernel 
downloaded from Shane's space on the debian server.

Anyway, I am mostly interested in knowing if there's a way to get speakup to 
"refresh" itself or whatever.


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Re: speakup "remembers" old screen

[Gregory Nowak]

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Yes, this has been a problem since the 2.0 release. I know Kirk was
aware of it, because I remember being on the reflector around the time
2.0 was released, and I remember Kirk and Jim I think it was, talking
about what was causing it, especially since it didn't exist in 1.5,
and in most versions of 1.5cvs.

I've found that the best thing to do when that happens is to
repeatedly hit numpad-enter 3-4 times, which will cause speakup to
shut-up, and then it is possible to reread/review the screen with its
current content.

Greg


On Tue, Jan 09, 2007 at 12:57:07PM -0600, John Heim wrote:
> Occasionally I have a problem with speakup, it seems to re-read a screen 
> that was previously displayed rather than what is currently on the screen. I 
> don't really know of anything in particular that causes it.  But, for 
> example, I might do a ifconfig and then a clear, and it will keep reading 
> the ifconfig info as if it's still on the screen.
> 
> I've noticed this behaviour in many versions of the kernel. I know at least 
> that it's happened with kernels i've compiled myself from 2.6.12 through 
> 2.6.18. I can't say for sure that it's happened on machines running a kernel 
> downloaded from Shane's space on the debian server.
> 
> Anyway, I am mostly interested in knowing if there's a way to get speakup to 
> "refresh" itself or whatever.
> 
> 
> --
> John Heim
> jheim@math.wisc.edu
> 3-4189
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: speakup "remembers" old screen

[Igor Gueths]

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Hi. I have somewhat of the same problem; however, occasionally Speakup will read something on a preceding console, even though I have now switched consoles. The workaround is the same; hit 
numpad enter a few times to get it going back to the current console.
On Tue, Jan 09, 2007 at 12:57:07PM -0600, John Heim wrote:
> Occasionally I have a problem with speakup, it seems to re-read a screen 
> that was previously displayed rather than what is currently on the screen. I 
> don't really know of anything in particular that causes it.  But, for 
> example, I might do a ifconfig and then a clear, and it will keep reading 
> the ifconfig info as if it's still on the screen.
> 
> I've noticed this behaviour in many versions of the kernel. I know at least 
> that it's happened with kernels i've compiled myself from 2.6.12 through 
> 2.6.18. I can't say for sure that it's happened on machines running a kernel 
> downloaded from Shane's space on the debian server.
> 
> Anyway, I am mostly interested in knowing if there's a way to get speakup to 
> "refresh" itself or whatever.
> 
> 
> --
> John Heim
> jheim@math.wisc.edu
> 3-4189
> 
> 
> 
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: speakup "remembers" old screen

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.

I've noticed the same problem.  Pressing keypad enter fixes it for me.

          Kenny

On Tue, Jan 09, 2007 at 12:57:07PM -0600, John Heim wrote:
> Occasionally I have a problem with speakup, it seems to re-read a screen 
> that was previously displayed rather than what is currently on the screen. I 
> don't really know of anything in particular that causes it.  But, for 
> example, I might do a ifconfig and then a clear, and it will keep reading 
> the ifconfig info as if it's still on the screen.
> 
> I've noticed this behaviour in many versions of the kernel. I know at least 
> that it's happened with kernels i've compiled myself from 2.6.12 through 
> 2.6.18. I can't say for sure that it's happened on machines running a kernel 
> downloaded from Shane's space on the debian server.
> 
> Anyway, I am mostly interested in knowing if there's a way to get speakup to 
> "refresh" itself or whatever.
> 
> 
> --
> John Heim
> jheim@math.wisc.edu
> 3-4189
> 
> 
> 
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Re: speakup "remembers" old screen

[Kirk Reiser]

Well, I must be out to lunch because although I remember a problem of
that sort a long long time ago I've not seen it recently.  If someone
will come up with a sure fire way to reproduce the condition I'll try
to fix it or at least hunt it down.  I must use my system differently
than other folks somehow.

  Kirk

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Re: speakup "remembers" old screen

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.

It is one of those things that happens sometimes, but not consistantly.  I see
it most often with schroling text.  Speakup reads the text as it goes to
the screen, but when you review the screen, speakup reads text that has
already scroled off.

          Kenny

On Tue, Jan 09, 2007 at 04:47:46PM -0500, Kirk Reiser wrote:
> Well, I must be out to lunch because although I remember a problem of
> that sort a long long time ago I've not seen it recently.  If someone
> will come up with a sure fire way to reproduce the condition I'll try
> to fix it or at least hunt it down.  I must use my system differently
> than other folks somehow.
> 
>   Kirk
> 
> -- 
> 
> Kirk Reiser				The Computer Braille Facility
> e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
> phone: (519) 661-3061
> 
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> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: speakup "remembers" old screen

[Hart Larry]

Well Kenny-and-All, I see it as seemingly in pine or l y n x  if I hit 
spacebar--and the new screen may not have any more text, it will read from 
earlier, either a status line or a link.  Otherwise my larger concern may be as 
speakup-and-dec-talk interact.  For example, if I am arrowing up or down in a 
list of items, quite often I hear the same item consecutively, instead of the 
newer item.  Sometimes I see a message, saying, "flush timeout"
I would like to try screader-and-see if this also happens.
Hart

Re: speakup "remembers" old screen

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Tue, Jan 09, 2007 at 02:58:16PM -0800, Hart Larry wrote:
> Well Kenny-and-All, I see it as seemingly in pine or l y n x  if I hit 
> spacebar--and the new screen may not have any more text, it will read from 
> earlier, either a status line or a link. 

I can't speak for pine, and I stand to be corrected on lynx the cat,
but this is a lynx feature which has been there since I remember, well
before even speakup 1.0, let alone the newer versions.

> Otherwise my larger concern may be as 
> speakup-and-dec-talk interact.  For example, if I am arrowing up or down in a 
> list of items, quite often I hear the same item consecutively, instead of the 
> newer item. 

This is a speakup issue, which seems to be taken care of if you have
cursoring turned on. If that doesn't solve it, then setting window
coordinates for that line, and turning on read window should probably
take care of it. Personally, I've become so used to the old speakup
behavior in these type of arrowing through menus situations, that I
just find it easier to turn off cursoring completely, and listen to it
the way you've described it.

> Sometimes I see a message, saying, "flush timeout"
> I would like to try screader-and-see if this also happens.
> Hart
> 

I haven't seen that with a bns using hardware handshaking, but I have
seen repeated behavior where after reading a screen full or 2, speakup
displays something like "bns time out" on the screen, and I have to
use print screen to get speech back. My solution is to leave the bns
in its default of software handshaking, which still does cause me to
miss a line or 2 at the bottom of the screen while reading the full
screen, but that's better in my opinion than having to hit prtscr all
the time.

Greg




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Re: speakup "remembers" old screen

[Igor Gueths]

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Hi. I find the problem most reproducible (as Kenny said), when text is scrolling. In my case, I have a 200x81 (columns/rows) terminal. Kirk, if you are looking at reproducing the problem/bug, 
I would say this is the best way to do it.
On Tue, Jan 09, 2007 at 04:37:57PM -0600, Kenny Hitt wrote:
> Hi.
> 
> It is one of those things that happens sometimes, but not consistantly.  I see
> it most often with schroling text.  Speakup reads the text as it goes to
> the screen, but when you review the screen, speakup reads text that has
> already scroled off.
> 
>           Kenny
> 
> On Tue, Jan 09, 2007 at 04:47:46PM -0500, Kirk Reiser wrote:
> > Well, I must be out to lunch because although I remember a problem of
> > that sort a long long time ago I've not seen it recently.  If someone
> > will come up with a sure fire way to reproduce the condition I'll try
> > to fix it or at least hunt it down.  I must use my system differently
> > than other folks somehow.
> > 
> >   Kirk
> > 
> > -- 
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> > Kirk Reiser				The Computer Braille Facility
> > e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
> > phone: (519) 661-3061
> > 
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> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: speakup "remembers" old screen

[Chris Norman]

I get a similar thing whiles I'm playing text-based games over telnet, if I 
hit numberpad enter whilest in combat, although speakup will read the next 
text which comes on the screen through the speakers, as far as speakup, and 
in fact brltty are concerned, the screen doesn't shift.

Cheers,

Chris Norman
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From: "Kenny Hitt" <kenny@hittsjunk.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
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Subject: Re: speakup "remembers" old screen


> Hi.
>
> It is one of those things that happens sometimes, but not consistantly.  I 
> see
> it most often with schroling text.  Speakup reads the text as it goes to
> the screen, but when you review the screen, speakup reads text that has
> already scroled off.
>
>          Kenny
>
> On Tue, Jan 09, 2007 at 04:47:46PM -0500, Kirk Reiser wrote:
>> Well, I must be out to lunch because although I remember a problem of
>> that sort a long long time ago I've not seen it recently.  If someone
>> will come up with a sure fire way to reproduce the condition I'll try
>> to fix it or at least hunt it down.  I must use my system differently
>> than other folks somehow.
>>
>>   Kirk
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility
>> e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario
>> phone: (519) 661-3061
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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Re: speakup "remembers" old screen

[Michael Whapples]

When I was using slackware on my desktop I don't remember having this
issue (I was using a kernel I compiled myself, through different
versions, I know definitely including some of the 2.6.17 kernel
versions), but now I have switched to ubuntu (the standard ubuntu
kernel), I seem to get the problem with scrolling text (I think no other
time). Pressing the numpad enter seems to solve it. Its almost as if
speakup isn't tracking the scrolling, and the numpad enter returns it to
the cursor (which it should) which is at the current screen position.

From
Michael Whapples 
On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 16:47 -0500, Kirk Reiser wrote:
> Well, I must be out to lunch because although I remember a problem of
> that sort a long long time ago I've not seen it recently.  If someone
> will come up with a sure fire way to reproduce the condition I'll try
> to fix it or at least hunt it down.  I must use my system differently
> than other folks somehow.
> 
>   Kirk
> 

Re: speakup "remembers" old screen

[randy turner]

hi all,
i would have to check to be really sure about this,
but if i remember right i think that the speakup.s
that comes with slackware has that screen problem.
randy

On Tue, 9 Jan 2007, Kirk Reiser wrote:

> Well, I must be out to lunch because although I remember a problem of
> that sort a long long time ago I've not seen it recently.  If someone
> will come up with a sure fire way to reproduce the condition I'll try
> to fix it or at least hunt it down.  I must use my system differently
> than other folks somehow.
>
>  Kirk
>
> -- 
>
> Kirk Reiser				The Computer Braille Facility
> e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
> phone: (519) 661-3061
>
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: speakup "remembers" old screen

[Garrett Klein]

Hi John,

I've had that experience while booting Gentoo. For example, I'll hear
"starting sshd... okay." but see "Phase 0: replay journal log" or
"filesystem is clean" when I do speakup-3 on the num pad. Other than
that, I have no clue except maybe your video card redraws the "display"
very slowly.

Garrett

On Tue, Jan 09, 2007 at 12:57:07PM -0600, John Heim wrote:
> Occasionally I have a problem with speakup, it seems to re-read a screen 
> that was previously displayed rather than what is currently on the screen. I 
> don't really know of anything in particular that causes it.  But, for 
> example, I might do a ifconfig and then a clear, and it will keep reading 
> the ifconfig info as if it's still on the screen.
> 
> I've noticed this behaviour in many versions of the kernel. I know at least 
> that it's happened with kernels i've compiled myself from 2.6.12 through 
> 2.6.18. I can't say for sure that it's happened on machines running a kernel 
> downloaded from Shane's space on the debian server.
> 
> Anyway, I am mostly interested in knowing if there's a way to get speakup to 
> "refresh" itself or whatever.
> 
> 
> --
> John Heim
> jheim@math.wisc.edu
> 3-4189
> 
> 
> 
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Re: speakup "remembers" old screen

[Janina Sajka]

I have also seen this. When this happens I am oftimes not focused where
I think I'm focused. I'm off a char or two, in other words.

Not sure this is a Speakup bug. It may be associated with using utf.

John Heim writes:
> Occasionally I have a problem with speakup, it seems to re-read a screen 
> that was previously displayed rather than what is currently on the screen. I 
> don't really know of anything in particular that causes it.  But, for 
> example, I might do a ifconfig and then a clear, and it will keep reading 
> the ifconfig info as if it's still on the screen.
> 
> I've noticed this behaviour in many versions of the kernel. I know at least 
> that it's happened with kernels i've compiled myself from 2.6.12 through 
> 2.6.18. I can't say for sure that it's happened on machines running a kernel 
> downloaded from Shane's space on the debian server.
> 
> Anyway, I am mostly interested in knowing if there's a way to get speakup to 
> "refresh" itself or whatever.
> 
> 
> --
> John Heim
> jheim@math.wisc.edu
> 3-4189
> 
> 
> 
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Re: speakup "remembers" old screen

[Janina Sajka]

I've also had a problem I think may be related. I have managed to get my
system into a state where the interactive responses are sinsible, but
any attempts to use the screen review on the numeric keypad doesn't
work. All the numeri review sees is "null" all over the screen.

reset doesn't help, reinserting the Speakup driver doesn't help. Only
reboot helps, and that's certainly an unhappy answer.

Re: speakup "remembers" old screen

[Luke Yelavich]

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On Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 12:14:13PM EST, Janina Sajka wrote:
> I've also had a problem I think may be related. I have managed to get my
> system into a state where the interactive responses are sinsible, but
> any attempts to use the screen review on the numeric keypad doesn't
> work. All the numeri review sees is "null" all over the screen.
> 
> reset doesn't help, reinserting the Speakup driver doesn't help. Only
> reboot helps, and that's certainly an unhappy answer.

I have also experience this, and have managed to be able to recover by 
resetting the current tty with the reset command. If running with UTF-8, 
you then need to restart unicode support for that tty.

hth
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