* bluetooth query @ Kirk Reiser ` Chris Brannon ` Chris Brannon 0 siblings, 2 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Kirk Reiser @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hello folks: I received a couple of bluetooth devices for Xmas and am just now getting around to looking at them. I was wondering what types of experience people have had with getting bluetooth working with speakup? Specifically I am interested in working with ALSA without going through pulse-audio but figured peoples experience with pulse would also be interesting to those who use it. Any stories or suggestions are welcome. Kirk -- Well that's it then, colour me secure! -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: GnuPG v1 mQENBFYV5DMBCAC060mbsnLhGPjnFkf0R0p+7MxcfxlOuy5wc8y59y9ZNF0RZD1s OTEsDih4vD9YJ3zA78VsBUDK47aiDWduh3nHzYN2ZSuxAQ9u7qPqphCG0jPagTU8 p7+Ceeya4I5odWtq+Nkf1UrHB7KKEtexphStSwUG5Bhi4bb84YinmX/a3I+OGV1D by4QBSdPvSuDw0qFkt/ucLyEwv4L6lDjoH2GF+tnCew4SJtliJFvA1k7NpWO6HW9 aWtBxfYU85ccZKBSE25y+9KprUCncVTpaVs3FztCWG0dQRXHvEbV+Damp/IBd9Jv HZX7azqbERUa/FjPTIlZhhI9VtaZaFfJSH+5ABEBAAG0HUtpcmsgUmVpc2VyIDxr aXJrQHJlaXNlcnMuY2E+iQE+BBMBAgAoBQJWFeQzAhsDBQkADS8ABgsJCAcDAgYV CAIJCgsEFgIDAQIeAQIXgAAKCRAHTEsk7UQUUoeuB/wIqsdLCfDrSvr3qg7rKBDg ru44OMuRit6hbdWFZjmxccCdjeNhBJRVd5wrEqjj5YoqQAhmacXaEB0DO/TZlDgo kUfJM7lrtQD4mYU9GVtrzJxCJoBUyeMVnMJt39F91tBu0mYM6oI/dv81dwxIv++4 hj55TZ4GG7DGYAy4LwNb+noNbivgOFHlnfNq8nxhZkHbJdYKP+sptZOL5sagmBQZ iS9STB54g/U7Jtt1Fe+JwDmbxQhbSHa9JuWn0xZ8CtYhrz06xSqZl5vpMlak3eW2 x6m6IcqZfyuI2K7W/9BCgcsQyYzufO4Gk9KyPNISskX6pFBLuNxIH6hdfxSYYm9y uQENBFYV5DMBCACtMyhHog5MR6eQUPTx7fWH5ntkgCtmWvQp4lcKj0HHbteDWglS NVbWKWEk9PAKA4UeQVUH4vOhTRhAPpuDUavLdp2tDtT7ZBVh91B3AWIM6+7fIvyU 2uYt1q/CNjga8RllXBT7mW2zHGEYQFIkBJvqlU0PN1HlxRZIbSSEb+zQuVAd+ph3 kt/oZon3ZbNmKg+arsYMmKkYJ0REwKQib7h5Xl31aK74XmWBp2Ky+lopsJSP8wpH AfC71h4s3LDm8ADHF1Ns4KuGZdLTugr8uiPm5kEJFGes1uYKy8R7OTFko0NEuJkv STfpPYnTU2qDCJBH08zZErI/6YBIlSsCSde3ABEBAAGJASUEGAECAA8FAlYV5DMC GwwFCQANLwAACgkQB0xLJO1EFFKAmgf/d3dk1/HgmF8rmvYVru/hJvmIpmiLqPl5 bYSwdZeU+k82qp3xACM2yMJhOh89SgHsaaqQAE1qo5rAJcSG7/+7M/kzf4u/WM/E unXDtLkbzi5Zl+gjoikrfOhgF0NmuGdlrOme8a6ue7+iE4XLAo0/jhVlh45O6Iq0 0DGyeFr22cR3jZj4wRmPw5zj4r/sWc06UfquVAEMmfIvJMaGYvwBI+TU6gI8MjLe VDY0vay/nQ79fXSLQmYEvjwKXIavQu9c8TFt0z9EDdoIMx69ZunqZuYQInxaT+cL i9zhihMGz4XA1q3blLNX3I0jWzAa23ZchI7htc3kfxp1jWqrGyGEIg== =nrPH -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: bluetooth query bluetooth query Kirk Reiser @ ` Chris Brannon ` Chris Brannon ` Chris Brannon 1 sibling, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Chris Brannon @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Kirk Reiser <kirk@reisers.ca> writes: > Specifically I am interested in working with ALSA without going > through pulse-audio but figured peoples experience with pulse would > also be interesting to those who use it. I'm also interested if anyone has any experience with this. I managed to get a bluetooth headset to pair with Linux, and then I used bluez-alsa to drive it. I could play audio files with programs like mpv, but getting it to work as the default audio device for everything, including espeakup, seems a bit more problematic. -- Chris ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: bluetooth query ` Chris Brannon @ ` Chris Brannon 0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Chris Brannon @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup As far as I can tell, bluez-alsa is currently a dead-end for us. Here are the two problems I see: 1. It does not do any kind of software mixing. You can only play one audio stream at a time. dmix can't be used, because it requires a hardware device, and bluez-alsa provides a virtual alsa device. 2. There's got to be a way for audio to fall back to another card when a bluetooth headset loses its charge, goes out of range, etc. I don't know how that could be made to work seamlessly. I wouldn't want espeakup to become completely confused / nonfunctional just because the BT headset became disconnected. So I don't think bluetooth with alsa is a good fit for console speech. -- Chris ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: bluetooth query bluetooth query Kirk Reiser ` Chris Brannon @ ` Chris Brannon ` Glenn At Home ` Janina Sajka 1 sibling, 2 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Chris Brannon @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Yes, you can run Speakup through a bluetooth headset. As I said earlier in the thread, bluez-alsa is a dead-end. I finally had to make my peace with pulseaudio over the last couple days. In order to use it with one of the Speakup softsynth options, you must run pulse in system mode. The pulse developers strongly discourage this. One of their biggest reasons is security concerns in a multiuser setup. Frankly, I could care less, because the machines in my house are just used by me or my partner. It's not like we're in a corporate environment. Getting pulse to run in system mode took a bit of work. Since it is so frowned upon, the documentation for doing it is pretty minimal. And my distro didn't seem to have many helpful resources. Tomorrow, when I'm thinking more clearly, I'll try and document all of the steps I took to get it to work. So to all of the people (including me) who said that speakup / espeakup don't play nicely together, that's only partially correct. If you're willing to run in system mode and go against the recommendations of the pulse people, they play quite nicely together indeed. -- Chris ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: bluetooth query ` Chris Brannon @ ` Glenn At Home ` Janina Sajka 1 sibling, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Glenn At Home @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I will look forward to that, as I think that in some ways, Linux is more secure than I need for personal use. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Brannon" <chris@the-brannons.com> To: <speakup@linux-speakup.org> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 6:09 PM Subject: Re: bluetooth query Yes, you can run Speakup through a bluetooth headset. As I said earlier in the thread, bluez-alsa is a dead-end. I finally had to make my peace with pulseaudio over the last couple days. In order to use it with one of the Speakup softsynth options, you must run pulse in system mode. The pulse developers strongly discourage this. One of their biggest reasons is security concerns in a multiuser setup. Frankly, I could care less, because the machines in my house are just used by me or my partner. It's not like we're in a corporate environment. Getting pulse to run in system mode took a bit of work. Since it is so frowned upon, the documentation for doing it is pretty minimal. And my distro didn't seem to have many helpful resources. Tomorrow, when I'm thinking more clearly, I'll try and document all of the steps I took to get it to work. So to all of the people (including me) who said that speakup / espeakup don't play nicely together, that's only partially correct. If you're willing to run in system mode and go against the recommendations of the pulse people, they play quite nicely together indeed. -- Chris _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@linux-speakup.org http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: bluetooth query ` Chris Brannon ` Glenn At Home @ ` Janina Sajka 1 sibling, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I'm all for security, but only within reason. I've yet to hear a reasonable use case that explains why system wide pulseaudio is insecure. The only use case I've ever come across from the pulse people, and I have pushed on this quite hard from time to time, says that you don't want to enable someone to surreptitiously enable a colleague, or a spouse's microphone. In other words, the pulse people don't want to be associated with corporate or matrimonial spying. So, those interested in spying of this type will have to continue to focus on Alexa, or iphone, or Android, I suppose! What a pile of <expletive deleted>. Janina Chris Brannon writes: > Yes, you can run Speakup through a bluetooth headset. As I said earlier > in the thread, bluez-alsa is a dead-end. I finally had to make my peace > with pulseaudio over the last couple days. In order to use it with one > of the Speakup softsynth options, you must run pulse in system mode. > The pulse developers strongly discourage this. One of their biggest > reasons is security concerns in a multiuser setup. Frankly, I could > care less, because the machines in my house are just used by me or my > partner. It's not like we're in a corporate environment. Getting pulse > to run in system mode took a bit of work. Since it is so frowned upon, > the documentation for doing it is pretty minimal. And my distro didn't > seem to have many helpful resources. Tomorrow, when I'm thinking more > clearly, I'll try and document all of the steps I took to get it to > work. > > So to all of the people (including me) who said that speakup / espeakup > don't play nicely together, that's only partially correct. If you're > willing to run in system mode and go against the recommendations of the > pulse people, they play quite nicely together indeed. > > -- Chris > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net Email: janina@rednote.net Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: bluetooth query @ tony seth 0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: tony seth @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Yaaay! I do look fondly forward to that documentation. Thanks muchee! Cheereo! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
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