CDR or CDRW Disks

CDR or CDRW Disks

[Zachary]

Hi,
I am wondering whether it would be possible to physically erase the contents 
of a CD, so as to convert it into a blank one.  I have only 1 cdr disk, 
which is not enough to install Slackware Linux, unless I am mistaken.  I 
just need one more disk, and am wondering whether I can either download a cD 
formatter program, or just have to go out and buy another disk.
I'd rather not do that, as I have plenty of disks already.
Thanks,
Zachary 

Re: CDR or CDRW Disks

[Luke Davis]

You can not do data rewrites on CDRs.  Write once, read many applies. 
CDRWs can be used for this purpose.

On Mon, 25 Oct 2004, Zachary wrote:

> Hi,
> I am wondering whether it would be possible to physically erase the contents 
> of a CD, so as to convert it into a blank one.  I have only 1 cdr disk, which 
> is not enough to install Slackware Linux, unless I am mistaken.  I just need 
> one more disk, and am wondering whether I can either download a cD formatter 
> program, or just have to go out and buy another disk.
> I'd rather not do that, as I have plenty of disks already.
> Thanks,
> Zachary 
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Re: CDR or CDRW Disks

[Zachary]

Then I am assuming that this disk I have is CDRW, because I can erase the 
contents.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Davis" <ldavis@shellworld.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: CDR or CDRW Disks


> You can not do data rewrites on CDRs.  Write once, read many applies. 
> CDRWs can be used for this purpose.
>
> On Mon, 25 Oct 2004, Zachary wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I am wondering whether it would be possible to physically erase the 
>> contents of a CD, so as to convert it into a blank one.  I have only 1 
>> cdr disk, which is not enough to install Slackware Linux, unless I am 
>> mistaken.  I just need one more disk, and am wondering whether I can 
>> either download a cD formatter program, or just have to go out and buy 
>> another disk.
>> I'd rather not do that, as I have plenty of disks already.
>> Thanks,
>> Zachary _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>>
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Re: CDR or CDRW Disks

[Glenn at home]

It is my understanding, that with CDR  disks, you can write, but not erase.
But with CDR/W disks, you can erase,  but you don't get the space back,
i.e., you cannot write over the data that has been erased, which seems
little better than usless in most instances.
Glenn

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Zachary" <Z_kline@hotmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: CDR or CDRW Disks


Then I am assuming that this disk I have is CDRW, because I can erase the
contents.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Davis" <ldavis@shellworld.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: CDR or CDRW Disks


> You can not do data rewrites on CDRs.  Write once, read many applies.
> CDRWs can be used for this purpose.
>
> On Mon, 25 Oct 2004, Zachary wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I am wondering whether it would be possible to physically erase the
>> contents of a CD, so as to convert it into a blank one.  I have only 1
>> cdr disk, which is not enough to install Slackware Linux, unless I am
>> mistaken.  I just need one more disk, and am wondering whether I can
>> either download a cD formatter program, or just have to go out and buy
>> another disk.
>> I'd rather not do that, as I have plenty of disks already.
>> Thanks,
>> Zachary _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>>
>
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RE: CDR or CDRW Disks

[Sina Bahram]

Hi Glen,

I don't believe that's the case all the time...RW's allow you to make full
use of your 700 mb: I of course don't know what package you were using, or
what hardware there of... 

Take care,
Sina

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of Glenn at home
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 11:22 PM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: CDR or CDRW Disks


It is my understanding, that with CDR  disks, you can write, but not erase.
But with CDR/W disks, you can erase,  but you don't get the space back,
i.e., you cannot write over the data that has been erased, which seems
little better than usless in most instances. Glenn

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Zachary" <Z_kline@hotmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: CDR or CDRW Disks


Then I am assuming that this disk I have is CDRW, because I can erase the
contents.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Davis" <ldavis@shellworld.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: CDR or CDRW Disks


> You can not do data rewrites on CDRs.  Write once, read many applies. 
> CDRWs can be used for this purpose.
>
> On Mon, 25 Oct 2004, Zachary wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I am wondering whether it would be possible to physically erase the 
>> contents of a CD, so as to convert it into a blank one.  I have only 
>> 1 cdr disk, which is not enough to install Slackware Linux, unless I 
>> am mistaken.  I just need one more disk, and am wondering whether I 
>> can either download a cD formatter program, or just have to go out 
>> and buy another disk. I'd rather not do that, as I have plenty of 
>> disks already. Thanks,
>> Zachary _______________________________________________
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>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>>
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Re: CDR or CDRW Disks

[Luke Davis]

That isn't true.  Well, I suppose it depends upon how you erace it.  A 
full blank (the slow kind, which is a format, I believe), recovers 
everything.  The fast type, only deletes the table of contents, and other 
small attributes.  I still think, that even in the latter method, you 
recover all of the space, or at least most of it.

Somebody correct me if I am wrong, but the above is from experience.

  On Mon, 25 Oct 2004, 
Glenn at home wrote:

> It is my understanding, that with CDR  disks, you can write, but not erase.
> But with CDR/W disks, you can erase,  but you don't get the space back,
> i.e., you cannot write over the data that has been erased, which seems
> little better than usless in most instances.
> Glenn
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Zachary" <Z_kline@hotmail.com>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:16 PM
> Subject: Re: CDR or CDRW Disks
>
>
> Then I am assuming that this disk I have is CDRW, because I can erase the
> contents.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Luke Davis" <ldavis@shellworld.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 8:09 PM
> Subject: Re: CDR or CDRW Disks
>
>
>> You can not do data rewrites on CDRs.  Write once, read many applies.
>> CDRWs can be used for this purpose.
>>
>> On Mon, 25 Oct 2004, Zachary wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I am wondering whether it would be possible to physically erase the
>>> contents of a CD, so as to convert it into a blank one.  I have only 1
>>> cdr disk, which is not enough to install Slackware Linux, unless I am
>>> mistaken.  I just need one more disk, and am wondering whether I can
>>> either download a cD formatter program, or just have to go out and buy
>>> another disk.
>>> I'd rather not do that, as I have plenty of disks already.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Zachary _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: CDR or CDRW Disks

[Chuck Hallenbeck]

Wrong. You can reuse the entire CDRW a great many times.
I recently purchased a package of 10 CDRW's with 80 minute capacity from
a local business supply store for under $10.00.

On Mon, 25 Oct 2004, Glenn at home wrote:

> It is my understanding, that with CDR  disks, you can write, but not erase.
> But with CDR/W disks, you can erase,  but you don't get the space back,
> i.e., you cannot write over the data that has been erased, which seems
> little better than usless in most instances.
> Glenn
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Zachary" <Z_kline@hotmail.com>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:16 PM
> Subject: Re: CDR or CDRW Disks
>
>
> Then I am assuming that this disk I have is CDRW, because I can erase the
> contents.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Luke Davis" <ldavis@shellworld.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 8:09 PM
> Subject: Re: CDR or CDRW Disks
>
>
>> You can not do data rewrites on CDRs.  Write once, read many applies.
>> CDRWs can be used for this purpose.
>>
>> On Mon, 25 Oct 2004, Zachary wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I am wondering whether it would be possible to physically erase the
>>> contents of a CD, so as to convert it into a blank one.  I have only 1
>>> cdr disk, which is not enough to install Slackware Linux, unless I am
>>> mistaken.  I just need one more disk, and am wondering whether I can
>>> either download a cD formatter program, or just have to go out and buy
>>> another disk.
>>> I'd rather not do that, as I have plenty of disks already.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Zachary _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: CDR or CDRW Disks

[Zachary]

Hmmm.  Is the disc supposed to be 700MB?  My disc is only reported by 
Windows at 650 or so.
Erasing it completely doesn't help.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Hallenbeck" <chuckh@sent.com>
To: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>; "Speakup is a screen review 
system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 1:40 AM
Subject: Re: CDR or CDRW Disks


> Wrong. You can reuse the entire CDRW a great many times.
> I recently purchased a package of 10 CDRW's with 80 minute capacity from
> a local business supply store for under $10.00.
>
> On Mon, 25 Oct 2004, Glenn at home wrote:
>
>> It is my understanding, that with CDR  disks, you can write, but not 
>> erase.
>> But with CDR/W disks, you can erase,  but you don't get the space back,
>> i.e., you cannot write over the data that has been erased, which seems
>> little better than usless in most instances.
>> Glenn
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Zachary" <Z_kline@hotmail.com>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: CDR or CDRW Disks
>>
>>
>> Then I am assuming that this disk I have is CDRW, because I can erase the
>> contents.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Luke Davis" <ldavis@shellworld.net>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 8:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: CDR or CDRW Disks
>>
>>
>>> You can not do data rewrites on CDRs.  Write once, read many applies.
>>> CDRWs can be used for this purpose.
>>>
>>> On Mon, 25 Oct 2004, Zachary wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I am wondering whether it would be possible to physically erase the
>>>> contents of a CD, so as to convert it into a blank one.  I have only 1
>>>> cdr disk, which is not enough to install Slackware Linux, unless I am
>>>> mistaken.  I just need one more disk, and am wondering whether I can
>>>> either download a cD formatter program, or just have to go out and buy
>>>> another disk.
>>>> I'd rather not do that, as I have plenty of disks already.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Zachary _______________________________________________
>>>> Speakup mailing list
>>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
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Re: CDR or CDRW Disks

[Chuck Hallenbeck]

It seems to me there are at least two different capacities available,
usually labeled in terms of minutes of audio. When I bought the 80
minute capacity disks there was a slightly smaller capacity available.
Maybe others have better information about this. But I know that disk 2
of the Slackware set is somewhat larger than the others, and required
the 80 minute size in my case.


On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Zachary wrote:

> Hmmm.  Is the disc supposed to be 700MB?  My disc is only reported by Windows 
> at 650 or so.
> Erasing it completely doesn't help.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Hallenbeck" <chuckh@sent.com>
> To: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>; "Speakup is a screen review 
> system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 1:40 AM
> Subject: Re: CDR or CDRW Disks
>
>
>> Wrong. You can reuse the entire CDRW a great many times.
>> I recently purchased a package of 10 CDRW's with 80 minute capacity from
>> a local business supply store for under $10.00.
>> 
>> On Mon, 25 Oct 2004, Glenn at home wrote:
>> 
>>> It is my understanding, that with CDR  disks, you can write, but not 
>>> erase.
>>> But with CDR/W disks, you can erase,  but you don't get the space back,
>>> i.e., you cannot write over the data that has been erased, which seems
>>> little better than usless in most instances.
>>> Glenn
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Zachary" <Z_kline@hotmail.com>
>>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
>>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>>> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:16 PM
>>> Subject: Re: CDR or CDRW Disks
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Then I am assuming that this disk I have is CDRW, because I can erase 
>>> the
>>> contents.
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Luke Davis" <ldavis@shellworld.net>
>>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
>>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>>> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 8:09 PM
>>> Subject: Re: CDR or CDRW Disks
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> You can not do data rewrites on CDRs.  Write once, read many applies.
>>>> CDRWs can be used for this purpose.
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, 25 Oct 2004, Zachary wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> I am wondering whether it would be possible to physically erase the
>>>>> contents of a CD, so as to convert it into a blank one.  I have only 
>>>>> 1
>>>>> cdr disk, which is not enough to install Slackware Linux, unless I 
>>>>> am
>>>>> mistaken.  I just need one more disk, and am wondering whether I can
>>>>> either download a cD formatter program, or just have to go out and 
>>>>> buy
>>>>> another disk.
>>>>> I'd rather not do that, as I have plenty of disks already.
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Zachary _______________________________________________
>>>>> Speakup mailing list
>>>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
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>> 
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Re: CDR or CDRW Disks

[Zachary]

This is interesting, because I have not only the Slackware installation 
disc, but a Debian one as well.  Not to start another "Which Distro is 
Better?" debate, I notice that this Debian CD is not large.  Is it a Network 
Install?
It came from linux-speakup.org, so I don't know how official it is.
Also, on a slightly related subject: will Debian support a USB Wireless 
Ethernet device?  That is the internet connection I use now, no Ethernet 
card that I am aware of.
I could be wrong.
Thanks,
Zack
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Hallenbeck" <chuckh@sent.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 2:15 AM
Subject: Re: CDR or CDRW Disks


> It seems to me there are at least two different capacities available,
> usually labeled in terms of minutes of audio. When I bought the 80
> minute capacity disks there was a slightly smaller capacity available.
> Maybe others have better information about this. But I know that disk 2
> of the Slackware set is somewhat larger than the others, and required
> the 80 minute size in my case.
>
>
> On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Zachary wrote:
>
>> Hmmm.  Is the disc supposed to be 700MB?  My disc is only reported by 
>> Windows at 650 or so.
>> Erasing it completely doesn't help.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Hallenbeck" <chuckh@sent.com>
>> To: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>; "Speakup is a screen 
>> review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 1:40 AM
>> Subject: Re: CDR or CDRW Disks
>>
>>
>>> Wrong. You can reuse the entire CDRW a great many times.
>>> I recently purchased a package of 10 CDRW's with 80 minute capacity from
>>> a local business supply store for under $10.00.
>>>
>>> On Mon, 25 Oct 2004, Glenn at home wrote:
>>>
>>>> It is my understanding, that with CDR  disks, you can write, but not 
>>>> erase.
>>>> But with CDR/W disks, you can erase,  but you don't get the space back,
>>>> i.e., you cannot write over the data that has been erased, which seems
>>>> little better than usless in most instances.
>>>> Glenn
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Zachary" <Z_kline@hotmail.com>
>>>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
>>>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:16 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: CDR or CDRW Disks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Then I am assuming that this disk I have is CDRW, because I can erase 
>>>> the
>>>> contents.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Luke Davis" <ldavis@shellworld.net>
>>>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
>>>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 8:09 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: CDR or CDRW Disks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> You can not do data rewrites on CDRs.  Write once, read many applies.
>>>>> CDRWs can be used for this purpose.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 25 Oct 2004, Zachary wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> I am wondering whether it would be possible to physically erase the
>>>>>> contents of a CD, so as to convert it into a blank one.  I have only 
>>>>>> 1
>>>>>> cdr disk, which is not enough to install Slackware Linux, unless I am
>>>>>> mistaken.  I just need one more disk, and am wondering whether I can
>>>>>> either download a cD formatter program, or just have to go out and 
>>>>>> buy
>>>>>> another disk.
>>>>>> I'd rather not do that, as I have plenty of disks already.
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Zachary _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Speakup mailing list
>>>>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>
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back to square 1

[Stephen Clower]

Hello folks,
  After a very frustrating laptop hard disk failure, I am back up and
  running. This last weekend I decided to get Linux re-installed onto
  my computer in case of another drive failure. I have noticed,
  though, that my hard drive simply will not repartition itself when I
  use Partition Magic. Is this a property of NTFS under Windows? If
  so, will fdisk in the Slackware setup be able to resize the
  partitions on the drive so I can install it? Sorry for the somewhat
  abckwards question, but I can't see any way around this aside from
  reformatting the drive, which right now isn't an option.
  Thanks very much for any assistance,
  Steve
  


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Re: CDR or CDRW Disks

[Steve Holmes]

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Well, it depends on what the disks say they are.  They come in either
size.  I have some re-writable CD's I bought some time ago and they
are definitely 650's but all my permenant CDR's are all 700 or so (80
minutes.  I generally have been able to get something like 704 megs or
so on the high capacity disks and this is without doing any over
burning.  Over burn can damage some burners so I never do it.

Also, when you completely blank a CDRW, you get all your space back.
I think if formatted as a UDF type disk where you can access it like a
floppy and use windows explorer to copy files back and forth, you may
lose space that way but blanking it will get it all back for you.  In
linux, you can blank it with cdrecord -blank.

On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 01:55:34AM -0700, Zachary wrote:
> Hmmm.  Is the disc supposed to be 700MB?  My disc is only reported by 
> Windows at 650 or so.
> Erasing it completely doesn't help.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Chuck Hallenbeck" <chuckh@sent.com>
> To: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>; "Speakup is a screen review 
> system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 1:40 AM
> Subject: Re: CDR or CDRW Disks
> 
> 
> >Wrong. You can reuse the entire CDRW a great many times.
> >I recently purchased a package of 10 CDRW's with 80 minute capacity from
> >a local business supply store for under $10.00.
> >
> >On Mon, 25 Oct 2004, Glenn at home wrote:
> >
> >>It is my understanding, that with CDR  disks, you can write, but not 
> >>erase.
> >>But with CDR/W disks, you can erase,  but you don't get the space back,
> >>i.e., you cannot write over the data that has been erased, which seems
> >>little better than usless in most instances.
> >>Glenn
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Zachary" <Z_kline@hotmail.com>
> >>To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> >><speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> >>Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:16 PM
> >>Subject: Re: CDR or CDRW Disks
> >>
> >>
> >>Then I am assuming that this disk I have is CDRW, because I can erase the
> >>contents.
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Luke Davis" <ldavis@shellworld.net>
> >>To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> >><speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> >>Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 8:09 PM
> >>Subject: Re: CDR or CDRW Disks
> >>
> >>
> >>>You can not do data rewrites on CDRs.  Write once, read many applies.
> >>>CDRWs can be used for this purpose.
> >>>
> >>>On Mon, 25 Oct 2004, Zachary wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Hi,
> >>>>I am wondering whether it would be possible to physically erase the
> >>>>contents of a CD, so as to convert it into a blank one.  I have only 1
> >>>>cdr disk, which is not enough to install Slackware Linux, unless I am
> >>>>mistaken.  I just need one more disk, and am wondering whether I can
> >>>>either download a cD formatter program, or just have to go out and buy
> >>>>another disk.
> >>>>I'd rather not do that, as I have plenty of disks already.
> >>>>Thanks,
> >>>>Zachary _______________________________________________
> >>>>Speakup mailing list
> >>>>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >>>>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>_______________________________________________
> >>>Speakup mailing list
> >>>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >>>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >>>
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>Speakup mailing list
> >>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >>
> >
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> >
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Re: back to square 1

[hank]

funky I have partitioned using pm magic using nt with out a hitch
that is so wierd
you shouldn't have a problem doing this
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stephen Clower" <steve@steve-audio.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 5:14 AM
Subject: back to square 1


> Hello folks,
>  After a very frustrating laptop hard disk failure, I am back up and
>  running. This last weekend I decided to get Linux re-installed onto
>  my computer in case of another drive failure. I have noticed,
>  though, that my hard drive simply will not repartition itself when I
>  use Partition Magic. Is this a property of NTFS under Windows? If
>  so, will fdisk in the Slackware setup be able to resize the
>  partitions on the drive so I can install it? Sorry for the somewhat
>  abckwards question, but I can't see any way around this aside from
>  reformatting the drive, which right now isn't an option.
>  Thanks very much for any assistance,
>  Steve
>  
> 
> 
> Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.
>  You can reach me by any of the following:
> Email/MSN Messenger: steve@steve-audio.net
> AIM: AudioRabbit03
> Skype: sclower
> 
> You can also visit my little home on the web at
> http://www.steve-audio.net/
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: CDR or CDRW Disks

[Cheryl Homiak]

Is there a significant difference in quality or longevity with the two?
i've thought of switching to cdrw's because I do end up throwing out a lot 
of cds, but I've never been sure if the cdrws held up as well.
Thanks.


-- 
Cheryl

"Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."

Re: CDR or CDRW Disks

[Butch Bussen]

If it isn't a cdrw, that is read and write, no, you cannot erase the cd. 
If it is a cdrw you can, but cds are cheap these days.  If it is a cdr, 
that means read only.
73s
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr

Re: CDR or CDRW Disks

[Gregory Nowak]

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I believe that if you don't want to install the x window stuff, you
should be just fine with only the first slackware cd.

Greg


On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 08:04:39PM -0700, Zachary wrote:
> Hi,
> I am wondering whether it would be possible to physically erase the 
> contents of a CD, so as to convert it into a blank one.  I have only 1 cdr 
> disk, which is not enough to install Slackware Linux, unless I am mistaken. 
> I just need one more disk, and am wondering whether I can either download a 
> cD formatter program, or just have to go out and buy another disk.
> I'd rather not do that, as I have plenty of disks already.
> Thanks,
> Zachary 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
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> 
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Re: CDR or CDRW Disks

[hank]

I have heard they make 90 minute and 99 minute disks cdrs but don't know 
where to get these at.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Hallenbeck" <chuckh@sent.com>
To: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>; "Speakup is a screen review 
system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 1:40 AM
Subject: Re: CDR or CDRW Disks


> Wrong. You can reuse the entire CDRW a great many times.
> I recently purchased a package of 10 CDRW's with 80 minute capacity from
> a local business supply store for under $10.00.
>
> On Mon, 25 Oct 2004, Glenn at home wrote:
>
>> It is my understanding, that with CDR  disks, you can write, but not 
>> erase.
>> But with CDR/W disks, you can erase,  but you don't get the space back,
>> i.e., you cannot write over the data that has been erased, which seems
>> little better than usless in most instances.
>> Glenn
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Zachary" <Z_kline@hotmail.com>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: CDR or CDRW Disks
>>
>>
>> Then I am assuming that this disk I have is CDRW, because I can erase the
>> contents.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Luke Davis" <ldavis@shellworld.net>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 8:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: CDR or CDRW Disks
>>
>>
>>> You can not do data rewrites on CDRs.  Write once, read many applies.
>>> CDRWs can be used for this purpose.
>>>
>>> On Mon, 25 Oct 2004, Zachary wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I am wondering whether it would be possible to physically erase the
>>>> contents of a CD, so as to convert it into a blank one.  I have only 1
>>>> cdr disk, which is not enough to install Slackware Linux, unless I am
>>>> mistaken.  I just need one more disk, and am wondering whether I can
>>>> either download a cD formatter program, or just have to go out and buy
>>>> another disk.
>>>> I'd rather not do that, as I have plenty of disks already.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Zachary _______________________________________________
>>>> Speakup mailing list
>>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>
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Re: CDR or CDRW Disks

[Gregory Nowak]

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Yes, cdrw disks can be erased, cdr disks can't.

Greg


On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 08:16:49PM -0700, Zachary wrote:
> Then I am assuming that this disk I have is CDRW, because I can erase the 
> contents.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Luke Davis" <ldavis@shellworld.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 8:09 PM
> Subject: Re: CDR or CDRW Disks
> 
> 
> >You can not do data rewrites on CDRs.  Write once, read many applies. 
> >CDRWs can be used for this purpose.
> >
> >On Mon, 25 Oct 2004, Zachary wrote:
> >
> >>Hi,
> >>I am wondering whether it would be possible to physically erase the 
> >>contents of a CD, so as to convert it into a blank one.  I have only 1 
> >>cdr disk, which is not enough to install Slackware Linux, unless I am 
> >>mistaken.  I just need one more disk, and am wondering whether I can 
> >>either download a cD formatter program, or just have to go out and buy 
> >>another disk.
> >>I'd rather not do that, as I have plenty of disks already.
> >>Thanks,
> >>Zachary _______________________________________________
> >>Speakup mailing list
> >>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >>
> >>
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
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Re: CDR or CDRW Disks

[Gregory Nowak]

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Wrong. Regardless of if you do a full blank, or a fast blank, you will
recover all space on a cdrw. Think of a full blank as a full floppy
format in windows, and of a fast blank as a quick floppy format. As for
not being able to regain space on a cd even if you erased stuff on it,
this only happens if you use udf on a cdr disk, or on a cdrw disk that
is not being used in a cd burner.

Greg


On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 10:47:55PM -0500, Luke Davis wrote:
> That isn't true.  Well, I suppose it depends upon how you erace it.  A 
> full blank (the slow kind, which is a format, I believe), recovers 
> everything.  The fast type, only deletes the table of contents, and other 
> small attributes.  I still think, that even in the latter method, you 
> recover all of the space, or at least most of it.
> 
> Somebody correct me if I am wrong, but the above is from experience.
> 

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Re: CDR or CDRW Disks

[Joseph C. Lininger]

There are two capasities of CD. Some are 650 MB, and some are 700 MB. Not 
all drives can read the 700 MB discs, but if your's is at least reasonably 
new you should be able to read them with no problem.
--
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jbahm@pcdesk.net
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Zachary" <Z_kline@hotmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 2:55 AM
Subject: Re: CDR or CDRW Disks


> Hmmm.  Is the disc supposed to be 700MB?  My disc is only reported by 
> Windows at 650 or so.
> Erasing it completely doesn't help.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Chuck Hallenbeck" <chuckh@sent.com>
> To: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>; "Speakup is a screen review 
> system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 1:40 AM
> Subject: Re: CDR or CDRW Disks
>
>
>> Wrong. You can reuse the entire CDRW a great many times.
>> I recently purchased a package of 10 CDRW's with 80 minute capacity from
>> a local business supply store for under $10.00.
>>
>> On Mon, 25 Oct 2004, Glenn at home wrote:
>>
>>> It is my understanding, that with CDR  disks, you can write, but not 
>>> erase.
>>> But with CDR/W disks, you can erase,  but you don't get the space back,
>>> i.e., you cannot write over the data that has been erased, which seems
>>> little better than usless in most instances.
>>> Glenn
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Zachary" <Z_kline@hotmail.com>
>>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
>>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>>> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:16 PM
>>> Subject: Re: CDR or CDRW Disks
>>>
>>>
>>> Then I am assuming that this disk I have is CDRW, because I can erase 
>>> the
>>> contents.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Luke Davis" <ldavis@shellworld.net>
>>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
>>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>>> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 8:09 PM
>>> Subject: Re: CDR or CDRW Disks
>>>
>>>
>>>> You can not do data rewrites on CDRs.  Write once, read many applies.
>>>> CDRWs can be used for this purpose.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 25 Oct 2004, Zachary wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> I am wondering whether it would be possible to physically erase the
>>>>> contents of a CD, so as to convert it into a blank one.  I have only 1
>>>>> cdr disk, which is not enough to install Slackware Linux, unless I am
>>>>> mistaken.  I just need one more disk, and am wondering whether I can
>>>>> either download a cD formatter program, or just have to go out and buy
>>>>> another disk.
>>>>> I'd rather not do that, as I have plenty of disks already.
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Zachary _______________________________________________
>>>>> Speakup mailing list
>>>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Speakup mailing list
>>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>
>>
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>> Home page at http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh
>> Speakfreely address 24.105.197.112:2074
>>
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>>
>
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> 

Re: CDR or CDRW Disks

[Gregory Nowak]

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Yes, the debian cd you have is probably the network install cd.

As for your wireless card question, keep in mind that at the core of
slackware, debian, and any other distributions, lies the linux
kernel. So, if the linux kernel doesn't support your hardware in
slackware, it will not support that same hardware in debian either.

Greg


On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 02:26:21AM -0700, Zachary wrote:
> This is interesting, because I have not only the Slackware installation 
> disc, but a Debian one as well.  Not to start another "Which Distro is 
> Better?" debate, I notice that this Debian CD is not large.  Is it a 
> Network Install?
> It came from linux-speakup.org, so I don't know how official it is.
> Also, on a slightly related subject: will Debian support a USB Wireless 
> Ethernet device?  That is the internet connection I use now, no Ethernet 
> card that I am aware of.
> I could be wrong.
> Thanks,
> Zack

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Re: CDR or CDRW Disks

[Joseph C. Lininger]

Oh yes, one other thing that I forgot to mention. There are 74 and 80 minute 
CD's. If I'm not mistaken the 700 MB discs can hold 80 minutes of audio, and 
the 650 MB can hold 74 minutes. Also, that comment I made in my previous 
message about some drives not being able to read the 700 MB models holds 
true for audio players. Not all of them can play the 80 minute audio discs. 
I have yet to find a CD player that won't, but...
--
Joseph C. Lininger
jbahm@pcdesk.net
Verification: 5eab38a77ac40416e075be8f50607ff7
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Hallenbeck" <chuckh@sent.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 3:15 AM
Subject: Re: CDR or CDRW Disks


> It seems to me there are at least two different capacities available,
> usually labeled in terms of minutes of audio. When I bought the 80
> minute capacity disks there was a slightly smaller capacity available.
> Maybe others have better information about this. But I know that disk 2
> of the Slackware set is somewhat larger than the others, and required
> the 80 minute size in my case.
>
>
> On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Zachary wrote:
>
>> Hmmm.  Is the disc supposed to be 700MB?  My disc is only reported by 
>> Windows at 650 or so.
>> Erasing it completely doesn't help.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Hallenbeck" <chuckh@sent.com>
>> To: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>; "Speakup is a screen 
>> review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 1:40 AM
>> Subject: Re: CDR or CDRW Disks
>>
>>
>>> Wrong. You can reuse the entire CDRW a great many times.
>>> I recently purchased a package of 10 CDRW's with 80 minute capacity from
>>> a local business supply store for under $10.00.
>>>
>>> On Mon, 25 Oct 2004, Glenn at home wrote:
>>>
>>>> It is my understanding, that with CDR  disks, you can write, but not 
>>>> erase.
>>>> But with CDR/W disks, you can erase,  but you don't get the space back,
>>>> i.e., you cannot write over the data that has been erased, which seems
>>>> little better than usless in most instances.
>>>> Glenn
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Zachary" <Z_kline@hotmail.com>
>>>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
>>>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:16 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: CDR or CDRW Disks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Then I am assuming that this disk I have is CDRW, because I can erase 
>>>> the
>>>> contents.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Luke Davis" <ldavis@shellworld.net>
>>>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
>>>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 8:09 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: CDR or CDRW Disks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> You can not do data rewrites on CDRs.  Write once, read many applies.
>>>>> CDRWs can be used for this purpose.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 25 Oct 2004, Zachary wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> I am wondering whether it would be possible to physically erase the
>>>>>> contents of a CD, so as to convert it into a blank one.  I have only 
>>>>>> 1
>>>>>> cdr disk, which is not enough to install Slackware Linux, unless I am
>>>>>> mistaken.  I just need one more disk, and am wondering whether I can
>>>>>> either download a cD formatter program, or just have to go out and 
>>>>>> buy
>>>>>> another disk.
>>>>>> I'd rather not do that, as I have plenty of disks already.
>>>>>> Thanks,
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pine and maildir?

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi all,
Can anyone tell me if pine supports maildir?  I am being told no, but 
doubt the source.
Karen

Re: back to square 1

[Gregory Nowak]

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No, cfdisk only creates partitions, it doesn't resize existing
partitions.

Greg


On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 07:14:42AM -0500, Stephen Clower wrote:
> Hello folks,
>   After a very frustrating laptop hard disk failure, I am back up and
>   running. This last weekend I decided to get Linux re-installed onto
>   my computer in case of another drive failure. I have noticed,
>   though, that my hard drive simply will not repartition itself when I
>   use Partition Magic. Is this a property of NTFS under Windows? If
>   so, will fdisk in the Slackware setup be able to resize the
>   partitions on the drive so I can install it? Sorry for the somewhat
>   abckwards question, but I can't see any way around this aside from
>   reformatting the drive, which right now isn't an option.
>   Thanks very much for any assistance,
>   Steve
>   
> 
> 
> Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.
>   You can reach me by any of the following:
> Email/MSN Messenger: steve@steve-audio.net
> AIM: AudioRabbit03
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> 
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Re: CDR or CDRW Disks

[Cheryl Homiak]

To make things more confusing, there are also audio-only cds. I have a 
friend who has a stand-alone cd burner who has to get these and has 
gotten the wrong thing several times. I, on the other hand, would be very 
unhappy if I got a package of audio-only cds.


-- 
Cheryl

"Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."

Re: pine and maildir?

[Gregory Nowak]

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I'm not a pine user, but as far as I know, official pine source code
doesn't support maildirs. There is however a rapper script called pinq
that comes with qmail, and converts maildir boxes into mbox format
boxes for use with pine.

Greg


On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 11:18:13AM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> Hi all,
> Can anyone tell me if pine supports maildir?  I am being told no, but 
> doubt the source.
> Karen
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> !DSPAM:417e6b0787861504516277!
> 
> 

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Re: CDR or CDRW Disks

[Butch Bussen]

You can use the audio only cds in your computer.  The recording industry 
decided to cash in on music stand alone recorders, so they required that 
these recorders look for a specific fingerprint on a cd before it would go 
into the record mode.  We use to use the swap trick on Philips, but that 
is another story.  That is the only difference.  In fact, if you do a full 
erase on a audio or music only c d r w, you'll erase the special mark and 
it will no longer work in the recorder, so do the erasing of these c d r w 
music disks only in the stand alone recorder.  Hope all this makes sense.

73s
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr

Re: pine and maildir?

[Karen Lewellen]

Thanks for such an intelligent answer.  I will pass this on tot he person 
who wanted to know.
Karen

On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Gregory Nowak wrote:

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>
> I'm not a pine user, but as far as I know, official pine source code
> doesn't support maildirs. There is however a rapper script called pinq
> that comes with qmail, and converts maildir boxes into mbox format
> boxes for use with pine.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 11:18:13AM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> Can anyone tell me if pine supports maildir?  I am being told no, but
>> doubt the source.
>> Karen
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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>>
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Re: pine and maildir?

[hank]

what email client do you use? and how do you get email set up?
thanks
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: pine and maildir?


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> 
> I'm not a pine user, but as far as I know, official pine source code
> doesn't support maildirs. There is however a rapper script called pinq
> that comes with qmail, and converts maildir boxes into mbox format
> boxes for use with pine.
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 11:18:13AM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> Can anyone tell me if pine supports maildir?  I am being told no, but 
>> doubt the source.
>> Karen
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> 
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Re: CDR or CDRW Disks

[hank]

how can you tell what cds are what?
do the audio only have a special logo or marking or something?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cheryl Homiak" <chomiak@charter.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: CDR or CDRW Disks


> To make things more confusing, there are also audio-only cds. I have a 
> friend who has a stand-alone cd burner who has to get these and has gotten 
> the wrong thing several times. I, on the other hand, would be very unhappy 
> if I got a package of audio-only cds.
>
>
> -- 
> Cheryl
>
> "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup 

Re: CDR or CDRW Disks

[hank]

older cd players will not play cdrws if you use audio disks
so no for audio disks but yes for data
hth
hank
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cheryl Homiak" <chomiak@charter.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Cc: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 8:03 AM
Subject: Re: CDR or CDRW Disks


> Is there a significant difference in quality or longevity with the two?
> i've thought of switching to cdrw's because I do end up throwing out a lot 
> of cds, but I've never been sure if the cdrws held up as well.
> Thanks.
>
>
> -- 
> Cheryl
>
> "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."
>
>
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Re: pine and maildir?

[Joseph C. Lininger]

Pine does not directly support maildir, though it does not have any trouble 
reading mailboxes remotely via imap that are in maildir format. If you have 
local mailboxes that are in maildir format, you'll either need to use a 
wrapper that calls maildir2mbox, or my prefered choice, install a local imap 
server such as courier-imap that can read maildirs. What ever you do, don't 
throw in the towel and store mail in mbox format. There are just too many 
ways an mbox can get corrupted. Most people don't realize the troubles 
associated with that until the first time it happens to them. [grin]
--
Joseph C. Lininger
jbahm@pcdesk.net
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Karen Lewellen" <klewellen@shellworld.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 9:18 AM
Subject: pine and maildir?


> Hi all,
> Can anyone tell me if pine supports maildir?  I am being told no, but 
> doubt the source.
> Karen
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: CDR or CDRW Disks

[Joseph C. Lininger]

Generally, it will say on the package what you are buying. Don't know about 
a special logo, but I do know that generally the audio only CD's either say 
"audio" or "music" somewhere on the package, and don't make any reference to 
data.
--
Joseph C. Lininger
jbahm@pcdesk.net
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "hank" <hank@hanksmith.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: CDR or CDRW Disks


> how can you tell what cds are what?
> do the audio only have a special logo or marking or something?
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Cheryl Homiak" <chomiak@charter.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 8:27 AM
> Subject: Re: CDR or CDRW Disks
>
>
>> To make things more confusing, there are also audio-only cds. I have a 
>> friend who has a stand-alone cd burner who has to get these and has 
>> gotten the wrong thing several times. I, on the other hand, would be very 
>> unhappy if I got a package of audio-only cds.
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Cheryl
>>
>> "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
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Re: CDR or CDRW Disks

[Cheryl Homiak]

I usually buy mine online so I can read the description, though sometimes 
I do buy at sams Club. I don't always trust sighted help in stores for 
reading packages.


-- 
Cheryl

"Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."

Re: pine and maildir?

[Gregory Nowak]

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I use mutt. As for how to set it up, read the mutt docs.

Greg


On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 09:57:39AM -0700, hank wrote:
> what email client do you use? and how do you get email set up?
> thanks

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Re: CDR or CDRW Disks

[Butch Bussen]

The audio cds usually say music or audio cds.  Ones not marked this way 
won't work in most stand alone cd recorders.
73s
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr

Re: pine and maildir?

[hank]

what is this thingy at the end of your emails?
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joseph C. Lininger" <jbahm@pcdesk.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: pine and maildir?


> Pine does not directly support maildir, though it does not have any 
> trouble reading mailboxes remotely via imap that are in maildir format. If 
> you have local mailboxes that are in maildir format, you'll either need to 
> use a wrapper that calls maildir2mbox, or my prefered choice, install a 
> local imap server such as courier-imap that can read maildirs. What ever 
> you do, don't throw in the towel and store mail in mbox format. There are 
> just too many ways an mbox can get corrupted. Most people don't realize 
> the troubles associated with that until the first time it happens to them. 
> [grin]
> --
> Joseph C. Lininger
> jbahm@pcdesk.net
> Verification: 5eab38a77ac40416e075be8f50607ff7
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Karen Lewellen" <klewellen@shellworld.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 9:18 AM
> Subject: pine and maildir?
>
>
>> Hi all,
>> Can anyone tell me if pine supports maildir?  I am being told no, but 
>> doubt the source.
>> Karen
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup 

Re: CDR or CDRW Disks

[hank]

any recommended sites?
that and your quote where have I heard that from?
that rings a bell some where
just curious
feel free and email me off list.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cheryl Homiak" <chomiak@charter.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: CDR or CDRW Disks


>I usually buy mine online so I can read the description, though sometimes 
> I do buy at sams Club. I don't always trust sighted help in stores for 
> reading packages.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Cheryl
> 
> "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: pine and maildir?

[Joseph C. Lininger]

I have a spam fighting system that holds messages from unknown people. It 
then asks them to verify their email address before delivering the messages 
to me. That
is a string that my spam filtering software checks for so that replies to
anything I send automatically get through. If that weren't there  and you
sent me a personal reply, you would be asked to verify your email address
unless you were already on my whitelist. The system is pretty nifty
actually. Since I implemented it in march of 2004, I have received like
three spam messages. The rest just wait in the queue to be verified until
the software deletes them after 7 days.
---
Joseph C. Lininger
jbahm@pcdesk.net
Note, the following is used for automated processing. Please leave in tact
if quoting me in a reply.
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "hank" <hank@hanksmith.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: pine and maildir?


> what is this thingy at the end of your emails?
> Verification: 5eab38a77ac40416e075be8f50607ff7
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joseph C. Lininger" <jbahm@pcdesk.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 10:00 AM
> Subject: Re: pine and maildir?
>
>
>> Pine does not directly support maildir, though it does not have any
>> trouble reading mailboxes remotely via imap that are in maildir format.
>> If you have local mailboxes that are in maildir format, you'll either
>> need to use a wrapper that calls maildir2mbox, or my prefered choice,
>> install a local imap server such as courier-imap that can read maildirs.
>> What ever you do, don't throw in the towel and store mail in mbox format.
>> There are just too many ways an mbox can get corrupted. Most people don't
>> realize the troubles associated with that until the first time it happens
>> to them. [grin]
>> --
>> Joseph C. Lininger
>> jbahm@pcdesk.net
>> Verification: 5eab38a77ac40416e075be8f50607ff7
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Karen Lewellen" <klewellen@shellworld.net>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 9:18 AM
>> Subject: pine and maildir?
>>
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> Can anyone tell me if pine supports maildir?  I am being told no, but
>>> doubt the source.
>>> Karen
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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Re: pine and maildir?

[hank]

where can I get the windows version of this nifty software?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joseph C. Lininger" <jbahm@pcdesk.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: pine and maildir?


>I have a spam fighting system that holds messages from unknown people. It 
>then asks them to verify their email address before delivering the messages 
>to me. That
> is a string that my spam filtering software checks for so that replies to
> anything I send automatically get through. If that weren't there  and you
> sent me a personal reply, you would be asked to verify your email address
> unless you were already on my whitelist. The system is pretty nifty
> actually. Since I implemented it in march of 2004, I have received like
> three spam messages. The rest just wait in the queue to be verified until
> the software deletes them after 7 days.
> ---
> Joseph C. Lininger
> jbahm@pcdesk.net
> Note, the following is used for automated processing. Please leave in tact
> if quoting me in a reply.
> Verification: 5eab38a77ac40416e075be8f50607ff7
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "hank" <hank@hanksmith.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 2:25 PM
> Subject: Re: pine and maildir?
>
>
>> what is this thingy at the end of your emails?
>> Verification: 5eab38a77ac40416e075be8f50607ff7
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Joseph C. Lininger" <jbahm@pcdesk.net>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 10:00 AM
>> Subject: Re: pine and maildir?
>>
>>
>>> Pine does not directly support maildir, though it does not have any
>>> trouble reading mailboxes remotely via imap that are in maildir format.
>>> If you have local mailboxes that are in maildir format, you'll either
>>> need to use a wrapper that calls maildir2mbox, or my prefered choice,
>>> install a local imap server such as courier-imap that can read maildirs.
>>> What ever you do, don't throw in the towel and store mail in mbox 
>>> format.
>>> There are just too many ways an mbox can get corrupted. Most people 
>>> don't
>>> realize the troubles associated with that until the first time it 
>>> happens
>>> to them. [grin]
>>> --
>>> Joseph C. Lininger
>>> jbahm@pcdesk.net
>>> Verification: 5eab38a77ac40416e075be8f50607ff7
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Karen Lewellen" <klewellen@shellworld.net>
>>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 9:18 AM
>>> Subject: pine and maildir?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> Can anyone tell me if pine supports maildir?  I am being told no, but
>>>> doubt the source.
>>>> Karen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Speakup mailing list
>>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>>
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Re: CDR or CDRW Disks

[Glenn at home]

I have bought a stack of blanks that were a mix of both types.
Glenn

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From: "Cheryl Homiak" <chomiak@charter.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: CDR or CDRW Disks


I usually buy mine online so I can read the description, though sometimes 
I do buy at sams Club. I don't always trust sighted help in stores for 
reading packages.


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Re: pine and maildir?

[Luke Davis]

They yanked it in the latest versions, from what I understand.  It used 
to.

On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> Hi all,
> Can anyone tell me if pine supports maildir?  I am being told no, but doubt 
> the source.
> Karen
>
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Re: CDR or CDRW Disks

[Luke Davis]

On which point was I wrong, Greg?  I said that I believed that both types 
recovered all of the space, and that somebody should correct me if I was 
wrong.  You corrected me, said I was wrong, but then concurred with my 
statements.

  On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Gregory Nowak wrote:

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> Wrong. Regardless of if you do a full blank, or a fast blank, you will
> recover all space on a cdrw. Think of a full blank as a full floppy
> format in windows, and of a fast blank as a quick floppy format. As for
> not being able to regain space on a cd even if you erased stuff on it,
> this only happens if you use udf on a cdr disk, or on a cdrw disk that
> is not being used in a cd burner.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 10:47:55PM -0500, Luke Davis wrote:
>> That isn't true.  Well, I suppose it depends upon how you erace it.  A
>> full blank (the slow kind, which is a format, I believe), recovers
>> everything.  The fast type, only deletes the table of contents, and other
>> small attributes.  I still think, that even in the latter method, you
>> recover all of the space, or at least most of it.
>>
>> Somebody correct me if I am wrong, but the above is from experience.
>>
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Re: CDR or CDRW Disks

[Gregory Nowak]

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Luke,

if I recall, you had said that you recover all the space only with a
full burn, since you may not be able to recover all of it with a fast
burn. You are wrong there (if that's what you actually had stated),
because you can recover all the space with either burn, fast or
full. If I had your original message to look at, I could be more
specific.

Greg


On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 10:31:10PM -0500, Luke Davis wrote:
> On which point was I wrong, Greg?  I said that I believed that both types 
> recovered all of the space, and that somebody should correct me if I was 
> wrong.  You corrected me, said I was wrong, but then concurred with my 
> statements.
> 

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Re: pine and maildir?

[Luke Davis]

Which software is this?  I've been looking for one I  can install on our 
servers, which can interface with postfix.

On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Joseph C. Lininger wrote:

> I have a spam fighting system that holds messages from unknown people. It 
> then asks them to verify their email address before delivering the messages 
> to me. That
> is a string that my spam filtering software checks for so that replies to
> anything I send automatically get through. If that weren't there  and you
> sent me a personal reply, you would be asked to verify your email address
> unless you were already on my whitelist. The system is pretty nifty
> actually. Since I implemented it in march of 2004, I have received like
> three spam messages. The rest just wait in the queue to be verified until
> the software deletes them after 7 days.
> ---
> Joseph C. Lininger
> jbahm@pcdesk.net
> Note, the following is used for automated processing. Please leave in tact
> if quoting me in a reply.
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "hank" <hank@hanksmith.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 2:25 PM
> Subject: Re: pine and maildir?
>
>
>> what is this thingy at the end of your emails?
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>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph C. Lininger" 
>> <jbahm@pcdesk.net>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 10:00 AM
>> Subject: Re: pine and maildir?
>> 
>> 
>>> Pine does not directly support maildir, though it does not have any
>>> trouble reading mailboxes remotely via imap that are in maildir format.
>>> If you have local mailboxes that are in maildir format, you'll either
>>> need to use a wrapper that calls maildir2mbox, or my prefered choice,
>>> install a local imap server such as courier-imap that can read 
>>> maildirs.
>>> What ever you do, don't throw in the towel and store mail in mbox 
>>> format.
>>> There are just too many ways an mbox can get corrupted. Most people 
>>> don't
>>> realize the troubles associated with that until the first time it 
>>> happens
>>> to them. [grin]
>>> --
>>> Joseph C. Lininger
>>> jbahm@pcdesk.net
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>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Lewellen" 
>>> <klewellen@shellworld.net>
>>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 9:18 AM
>>> Subject: pine and maildir?
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> Can anyone tell me if pine supports maildir?  I am being told no, but
>>>> doubt the source.
>>>> Karen
>>>> 
>>>> 
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Re: CDR or CDRW Disks

[Luke Davis]

My original message was quoted below yours', and mine.

What I said, was that *maybe* there was a blanking method that did not 
recover all space.  I then said that both fast and full blanks, in my 
experience, did recover all space.

  On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Gregory Nowak 
wrote:

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> Luke,
>
> if I recall, you had said that you recover all the space only with a
> full burn, since you may not be able to recover all of it with a fast
> burn. You are wrong there (if that's what you actually had stated),
> because you can recover all the space with either burn, fast or
> full. If I had your original message to look at, I could be more
> specific.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 10:31:10PM -0500, Luke Davis wrote:
>> On which point was I wrong, Greg?  I said that I believed that both types
>> recovered all of the space, and that somebody should correct me if I was
>> wrong.  You corrected me, said I was wrong, but then concurred with my
>> statements.
>>
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Re: pine and maildir?

[Joseph C. Lininger]

Well, as far as I know, it doesn't exist for Windows. That, and the solution 
I'm using is a server side solution. Unless your running your own mail 
server, you won't be able to use it. However, there are programs for Windows 
that do this on the client side. I don't know the names of any of them 
though.
--
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "hank" <hank@hanksmith.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: pine and maildir?


> where can I get the windows version of this nifty software?
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joseph C. Lininger" <jbahm@pcdesk.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 5:23 PM
> Subject: Re: pine and maildir?
>
>
>>I have a spam fighting system that holds messages from unknown people. It 
>>then asks them to verify their email address before delivering the 
>>messages to me. That
>> is a string that my spam filtering software checks for so that replies to
>> anything I send automatically get through. If that weren't there  and you
>> sent me a personal reply, you would be asked to verify your email address
>> unless you were already on my whitelist. The system is pretty nifty
>> actually. Since I implemented it in march of 2004, I have received like
>> three spam messages. The rest just wait in the queue to be verified until
>> the software deletes them after 7 days.
>> ---
>> Joseph C. Lininger
>> jbahm@pcdesk.net
>> Note, the following is used for automated processing. Please leave in 
>> tact
>> if quoting me in a reply.
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>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "hank" <hank@hanksmith.net>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 2:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: pine and maildir?
>>
>>
>>> what is this thingy at the end of your emails?
>>> Verification: 5eab38a77ac40416e075be8f50607ff7
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Joseph C. Lininger" <jbahm@pcdesk.net>
>>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 10:00 AM
>>> Subject: Re: pine and maildir?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Pine does not directly support maildir, though it does not have any
>>>> trouble reading mailboxes remotely via imap that are in maildir format.
>>>> If you have local mailboxes that are in maildir format, you'll either
>>>> need to use a wrapper that calls maildir2mbox, or my prefered choice,
>>>> install a local imap server such as courier-imap that can read 
>>>> maildirs.
>>>> What ever you do, don't throw in the towel and store mail in mbox 
>>>> format.
>>>> There are just too many ways an mbox can get corrupted. Most people 
>>>> don't
>>>> realize the troubles associated with that until the first time it 
>>>> happens
>>>> to them. [grin]
>>>> --
>>>> Joseph C. Lininger
>>>> jbahm@pcdesk.net
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>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Karen Lewellen" <klewellen@shellworld.net>
>>>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>>>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 9:18 AM
>>>> Subject: pine and maildir?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> Can anyone tell me if pine supports maildir?  I am being told no, but
>>>>> doubt the source.
>>>>> Karen
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: pine and maildir?

[Joseph C. Lininger]

Really? From what I've heard, it never has supported the maildir format.
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From: "Luke Davis" <ldavis@shellworld.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: pine and maildir?


> They yanked it in the latest versions, from what I understand.  It used 
> to.
>
> On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> Can anyone tell me if pine supports maildir?  I am being told no, but 
>> doubt the source.
>> Karen
>>
>>
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Re: pine and maildir?

[Luke Davis]

I did some looking into this, about four months ago.  I'm pretty sure, 
that I saw that it did support it, for about a minute.  It was supporting 
it back in 3.4x SunOS, without a wrapper that I know of.
  On Tue, 26 Oct 
2004, Joseph C. Lininger wrote:

> Really? From what I've heard, it never has supported the maildir format.
> --
> Joseph C. Lininger
> jbahm@pcdesk.net
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Davis" <ldavis@shellworld.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 9:25 PM
> Subject: Re: pine and maildir?
>
>
>> They yanked it in the latest versions, from what I understand.  It used 
>> to.
>> 
>> On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> Can anyone tell me if pine supports maildir?  I am being told no, but 
>>> doubt the source.
>>> Karen
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> 
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Re: pine and maildir?

[Joseph C. Lininger]

There are two solutions available for Linux that I know of. I used to use 
tmda, which is available at:

http://www.tmda.net

I now use active spam killer (better virtual domain support and I like the 
remote command interface). You can get it at:

http://www.paganini.net/ask/

I can provide information comparing the two if you like. There both good 
choices.
--
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jbahm@pcdesk.net
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To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: pine and maildir?


> Which software is this?  I've been looking for one I  can install on our 
> servers, which can interface with postfix.
>
> On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Joseph C. Lininger wrote:
>
>> I have a spam fighting system that holds messages from unknown people. It 
>> then asks them to verify their email address before delivering the 
>> messages to me. That
>> is a string that my spam filtering software checks for so that replies to
>> anything I send automatically get through. If that weren't there  and you
>> sent me a personal reply, you would be asked to verify your email address
>> unless you were already on my whitelist. The system is pretty nifty
>> actually. Since I implemented it in march of 2004, I have received like
>> three spam messages. The rest just wait in the queue to be verified until
>> the software deletes them after 7 days.
>> ---
>> Joseph C. Lininger
>> jbahm@pcdesk.net
>> Note, the following is used for automated processing. Please leave in 
>> tact
>> if quoting me in a reply.
>> Verification: 5eab38a77ac40416e075be8f50607ff7
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "hank" <hank@hanksmith.net>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 2:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: pine and maildir?
>>
>>
>>> what is this thingy at the end of your emails?
>>> Verification: 5eab38a77ac40416e075be8f50607ff7
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph C. Lininger" 
>>> <jbahm@pcdesk.net>
>>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 10:00 AM
>>> Subject: Re: pine and maildir?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Pine does not directly support maildir, though it does not have any
>>>> trouble reading mailboxes remotely via imap that are in maildir format.
>>>> If you have local mailboxes that are in maildir format, you'll either
>>>> need to use a wrapper that calls maildir2mbox, or my prefered choice,
>>>> install a local imap server such as courier-imap that can read 
>>>> maildirs.
>>>> What ever you do, don't throw in the towel and store mail in mbox 
>>>> format.
>>>> There are just too many ways an mbox can get corrupted. Most people 
>>>> don't
>>>> realize the troubles associated with that until the first time it 
>>>> happens
>>>> to them. [grin]
>>>> --
>>>> Joseph C. Lininger
>>>> jbahm@pcdesk.net
>>>> Verification: 5eab38a77ac40416e075be8f50607ff7
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Lewellen" 
>>>> <klewellen@shellworld.net>
>>>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>>>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 9:18 AM
>>>> Subject: pine and maildir?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> Can anyone tell me if pine supports maildir?  I am being told no, but
>>>>> doubt the source.
>>>>> Karen
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Speakup mailing list
>>>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: pine and maildir?

[Luke Davis]

In my case, I am running servers.  Do tell.

On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Joseph C. Lininger wrote:

> Well, as far as I know, it doesn't exist for Windows. That, and the solution 
> I'm using is a server side solution. Unless your running your own mail 
> server, you won't be able to use it. However, there are programs for Windows 
> that do this on the client side. I don't know the names of any of them 
> though.

Re: pine and maildir?

[Luke Davis]

I, for one, most definitely want that comparison!  Feel free to retitle 
the thread accordingly.

and Thanks.

On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Joseph C. Lininger wrote:

> There are two solutions available for Linux that I know of. I used to use 
> tmda, which is available at:
>
> http://www.tmda.net
>
> I now use active spam killer (better virtual domain support and I like the 
> remote command interface). You can get it at:
>
> http://www.paganini.net/ask/
>
> I can provide information comparing the two if you like. There both good 
> choices.
> --
> Joseph C. Lininger
> jbahm@pcdesk.net
> Verification: 5eab38a77ac40416e075be8f50607ff7
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Davis" <ldavis@shellworld.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 10:48 PM
> Subject: Re: pine and maildir?
>
>
>> Which software is this?  I've been looking for one I  can install on our 
>> servers, which can interface with postfix.
>> 
>> On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Joseph C. Lininger wrote:
>> 
>>> I have a spam fighting system that holds messages from unknown people. 
>>> It then asks them to verify their email address before delivering the 
>>> messages to me. That
>>> is a string that my spam filtering software checks for so that replies 
>>> to
>>> anything I send automatically get through. If that weren't there  and 
>>> you
>>> sent me a personal reply, you would be asked to verify your email 
>>> address
>>> unless you were already on my whitelist. The system is pretty nifty
>>> actually. Since I implemented it in march of 2004, I have received like
>>> three spam messages. The rest just wait in the queue to be verified 
>>> until
>>> the software deletes them after 7 days.
>>> ---
>>> Joseph C. Lininger
>>> jbahm@pcdesk.net
>>> Note, the following is used for automated processing. Please leave in 
>>> tact
>>> if quoting me in a reply.
>>> Verification: 5eab38a77ac40416e075be8f50607ff7
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "hank" <hank@hanksmith.net>
>>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
>>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 2:25 PM
>>> Subject: Re: pine and maildir?
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> what is this thingy at the end of your emails?
>>>> Verification: 5eab38a77ac40416e075be8f50607ff7
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph C. Lininger" 
>>>> <jbahm@pcdesk.net>
>>>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>>>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 10:00 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: pine and maildir?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Pine does not directly support maildir, though it does not have any
>>>>> trouble reading mailboxes remotely via imap that are in maildir 
>>>>> format.
>>>>> If you have local mailboxes that are in maildir format, you'll 
>>>>> either
>>>>> need to use a wrapper that calls maildir2mbox, or my prefered 
>>>>> choice,
>>>>> install a local imap server such as courier-imap that can read 
>>>>> maildirs.
>>>>> What ever you do, don't throw in the towel and store mail in mbox 
>>>>> format.
>>>>> There are just too many ways an mbox can get corrupted. Most people 
>>>>> don't
>>>>> realize the troubles associated with that until the first time it 
>>>>> happens
>>>>> to them. [grin]
>>>>> --
>>>>> Joseph C. Lininger
>>>>> jbahm@pcdesk.net
>>>>> Verification: 5eab38a77ac40416e075be8f50607ff7
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Lewellen" 
>>>>> <klewellen@shellworld.net>
>>>>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>>>>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 9:18 AM
>>>>> Subject: pine and maildir?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> Can anyone tell me if pine supports maildir?  I am being told no, 
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> doubt the source.
>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>> 
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Re: pine and maildir?

[hank]

what is the name of the program you are using?
I will google it
all I need is the name of the spamming program.
thanks
hank
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Davis" <ldavis@shellworld.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: pine and maildir?


> In my case, I am running servers.  Do tell.
>
> On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Joseph C. Lininger wrote:
>
>> Well, as far as I know, it doesn't exist for Windows. That, and the 
>> solution I'm using is a server side solution. Unless your running your 
>> own mail server, you won't be able to use it. However, there are programs 
>> for Windows that do this on the client side. I don't know the names of 
>> any of them though.
>
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Re: pine and maildir?

[hank]

can I get a comparison of the 2?
thanks
hank
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joseph C. Lininger" <jbahm@pcdesk.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: pine and maildir?


> There are two solutions available for Linux that I know of. I used to use 
> tmda, which is available at:
>
> http://www.tmda.net
>
> I now use active spam killer (better virtual domain support and I like the 
> remote command interface). You can get it at:
>
> http://www.paganini.net/ask/
>
> I can provide information comparing the two if you like. There both good 
> choices.
> --
> Joseph C. Lininger
> jbahm@pcdesk.net
> Verification: 5eab38a77ac40416e075be8f50607ff7
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Luke Davis" <ldavis@shellworld.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 10:48 PM
> Subject: Re: pine and maildir?
>
>
>> Which software is this?  I've been looking for one I  can install on our 
>> servers, which can interface with postfix.
>>
>> On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Joseph C. Lininger wrote:
>>
>>> I have a spam fighting system that holds messages from unknown people. 
>>> It then asks them to verify their email address before delivering the 
>>> messages to me. That
>>> is a string that my spam filtering software checks for so that replies 
>>> to
>>> anything I send automatically get through. If that weren't there  and 
>>> you
>>> sent me a personal reply, you would be asked to verify your email 
>>> address
>>> unless you were already on my whitelist. The system is pretty nifty
>>> actually. Since I implemented it in march of 2004, I have received like
>>> three spam messages. The rest just wait in the queue to be verified 
>>> until
>>> the software deletes them after 7 days.
>>> ---
>>> Joseph C. Lininger
>>> jbahm@pcdesk.net
>>> Note, the following is used for automated processing. Please leave in 
>>> tact
>>> if quoting me in a reply.
>>> Verification: 5eab38a77ac40416e075be8f50607ff7
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "hank" <hank@hanksmith.net>
>>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
>>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 2:25 PM
>>> Subject: Re: pine and maildir?
>>>
>>>
>>>> what is this thingy at the end of your emails?
>>>> Verification: 5eab38a77ac40416e075be8f50607ff7
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph C. Lininger" 
>>>> <jbahm@pcdesk.net>
>>>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>>>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 10:00 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: pine and maildir?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Pine does not directly support maildir, though it does not have any
>>>>> trouble reading mailboxes remotely via imap that are in maildir 
>>>>> format.
>>>>> If you have local mailboxes that are in maildir format, you'll either
>>>>> need to use a wrapper that calls maildir2mbox, or my prefered choice,
>>>>> install a local imap server such as courier-imap that can read 
>>>>> maildirs.
>>>>> What ever you do, don't throw in the towel and store mail in mbox 
>>>>> format.
>>>>> There are just too many ways an mbox can get corrupted. Most people 
>>>>> don't
>>>>> realize the troubles associated with that until the first time it 
>>>>> happens
>>>>> to them. [grin]
>>>>> --
>>>>> Joseph C. Lininger
>>>>> jbahm@pcdesk.net
>>>>> Verification: 5eab38a77ac40416e075be8f50607ff7
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Lewellen" 
>>>>> <klewellen@shellworld.net>
>>>>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>>>>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 9:18 AM
>>>>> Subject: pine and maildir?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> Can anyone tell me if pine supports maildir?  I am being told no, but
>>>>>> doubt the source.
>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
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Re: pine and maildir?

[Joseph C. Lininger]

Ok, now here is the question. Does Sun use the same version of pine as 
everyone else, or do they have some sort of agreement to where they can 
modify it for their own OS? I don't think anyone has such a license, but it 
is worth looking at I guess considering UW's staunch terms regarding this.
--
Joseph C. Lininger
jbahm@pcdesk.net
Verification: 5eab38a77ac40416e075be8f50607ff7
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Davis" <ldavis@shellworld.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: pine and maildir?


>I did some looking into this, about four months ago.  I'm pretty sure, that 
>I saw that it did support it, for about a minute.  It was supporting it 
>back in 3.4x SunOS, without a wrapper that I know of.
>  On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Joseph C. Lininger wrote:
>
>> Really? From what I've heard, it never has supported the maildir format.
>> --
>> Joseph C. Lininger
>> jbahm@pcdesk.net
>> Verification: 5eab38a77ac40416e075be8f50607ff7
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Davis" <ldavis@shellworld.net>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 9:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: pine and maildir?
>>
>>
>>> They yanked it in the latest versions, from what I understand.  It used 
>>> to.
>>>
>>> On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> Can anyone tell me if pine supports maildir?  I am being told no, but 
>>>> doubt the source.
>>>> Karen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: pine and maildir?

[Joseph C. Lininger]

Please see the prior response I posted to your question. I explained both of 
the solutions I know of. [grin] To summarize, there are two that I know of, 
tmda and active spam killer.
--
Joseph C. Lininger
jbahm@pcdesk.net
Verification: 5eab38a77ac40416e075be8f50607ff7
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Davis" <ldavis@shellworld.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: pine and maildir?


> In my case, I am running servers.  Do tell.
>
> On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Joseph C. Lininger wrote:
>
>> Well, as far as I know, it doesn't exist for Windows. That, and the 
>> solution I'm using is a server side solution. Unless your running your 
>> own mail server, you won't be able to use it. However, there are programs 
>> for Windows that do this on the client side. I don't know the names of 
>> any of them though.
>
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: pine and maildir?

[hank]

I saw your post it was at the bottom of my emails.
sorry about that
I posted my question before I saw your post with the answer
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joseph C. Lininger" <jbahm@pcdesk.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 5:41 AM
Subject: Re: pine and maildir?


> Please see the prior response I posted to your question. I explained both 
> of the solutions I know of. [grin] To summarize, there are two that I know 
> of, tmda and active spam killer.
> --
> Joseph C. Lininger
> jbahm@pcdesk.net
> Verification: 5eab38a77ac40416e075be8f50607ff7
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Luke Davis" <ldavis@shellworld.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 11:49 PM
> Subject: Re: pine and maildir?
>
>
>> In my case, I am running servers.  Do tell.
>>
>> On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Joseph C. Lininger wrote:
>>
>>> Well, as far as I know, it doesn't exist for Windows. That, and the 
>>> solution I'm using is a server side solution. Unless your running your 
>>> own mail server, you won't be able to use it. However, there are 
>>> programs for Windows that do this on the client side. I don't know the 
>>> names of any of them though.
>>
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>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: CDR or CDRW Disks

[Gregory Nowak]

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Oops, I meant to say blank, not burn.

Greg


On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 11:00:37PM -0500, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> Luke,
> 
> if I recall, you had said that you recover all the space only with a
> full burn, since you may not be able to recover all of it with a fast
> burn. You are wrong there (if that's what you actually had stated),
> because you can recover all the space with either burn, fast or
> full. If I had your original message to look at, I could be more
> specific.
> 
> Greg
> 
> 

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Re: CDR or CDRW Disks

[Gregory Nowak]

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No Luke. The only message quoted below the one asking why I said
you're wrong was my message, in which I said you were wrong. There was
no other message below those. I specifically checked before replying
to make sure exactly what I said you were wrong about.

As far as I know, there are only 2 blanking methods, fast and full,
and they both recover all space. If this is what you said, then you're
right, and I must have misread your original post, for which I
apologize.

Greg


On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 12:09:45AM -0500, Luke Davis wrote:
> My original message was quoted below yours', and mine.
> 
> What I said, was that *maybe* there was a blanking method that did not 
> recover all space.  I then said that both fast and full blanks, in my 
> experience, did recover all space.
> 
>  On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Gregory Nowak 
> wrote:
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> >Luke,
> >
> >if I recall, you had said that you recover all the space only with a
> >full burn, since you may not be able to recover all of it with a fast
> >burn. You are wrong there (if that's what you actually had stated),
> >because you can recover all the space with either burn, fast or
> >full. If I had your original message to look at, I could be more
> >specific.
> >
> >Greg
> >
> >
> >On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 10:31:10PM -0500, Luke Davis wrote:
> >>On which point was I wrong, Greg?  I said that I believed that both types
> >>recovered all of the space, and that somebody should correct me if I was
> >>wrong.  You corrected me, said I was wrong, but then concurred with my
> >>statements.
> >>
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Re: pine and maildir?

[Luke Davis]

Someone was looking for Maildir support in pine.  Well, it seems to be 
there, in pine 4.61, and maybe 4.60.  Search for "maildir-location" in 
setup -> config.  You may also have to disable toe deafult inbox path, on 
the first setup screen, although I am not certain of this--read the help.