choosing a distro and version

choosing a distro and version

[Ed Barnes]

Hi again folks, hope nobody is sick of hearing from me yet, if so, I'm
sorry.
nevertheless, I was looking at the speakup web site, in particular available
information on Debian and Red Hat Linux distroes.
I am debating choosing to setup either a Debian or a Red Hat system as my
first Linux system
I have spoken with some Linux users locally and the general consensus from
those who have used both distroes is that for a first-timer Red Hat might be
an easier setup and that after I have successfully conquered setting up a
Red Hat box I would have enough skill to conquer setup of Debian and/or
Slackware as desired.
Any thoughts?
The system which I was planning to use and dedicate to setting up Linux as
its only operating system is a Pentium II 233 MHZ w 64 mb of ram and two
HDs, it has a sound blaster pro sound card, and it will have a Symbios Logic
pci video adapter or an Sys chip set based AGP though I am leaning toward
using the AGP so as to be able to use the extra pci slot for something more
practical like one of the nics.
I know that I should create a min of three partitions, /home, /root, and a
swap partition.
I have rough ideas of how big I want these partitions to be based on what I
wish to do with the server from a functional point of view.
The two HDs are 1.6 gb and 2 gb in size respectively.
>From a point of view of incorporating some level of fault tolerance in the
system I was thinking the root partition and the swap partition should go on
/dev/hda and the home partition should go on /dev/hdb.
        This would make system backup more convenient as I would only have
to backup the /dev/hdb drive to save user data.
In the event that I do anything to cause the kernel to blow up I could
simply flatten /dev/hda and re-install it and re-create the user accounts
whose data is still stored on /dev/hdb and or my backups.
  I was figuring that I would optimize hd space usage by using the 2 gb
drive as /dev/hda and use the 1.6 gb as /dev/hdb as I don't estimate that my
system would have any more than 2 too 5 users, root, an user account, for
myself, and one too three accounts that I might create to facilitate my own
fooling around and attempting to learn more about Linux aside from the
accounts which some Linux services, processes create after they are compiled
into the kernel and started.
I was also thinking of putting a min of two nics into the system so it could
be used to store a dynamic routing table for dns and create an ip subnet
mask so though I am paying for only one ip through my cable internet service
provider all the machines I have at home could both access the internet and
be accessed from the internet by me.
I know that steps to create an ip subnet mask and setup dns are well
documented at linuxdoc.org and I enjoy reading tech docs as required so I
won't bor you guys with questions that have already been answered elsewhere.
I have read the readme files pertaining to speakup when it is installed with
both Red Hat 7 and 7.2 respectively and I already have copies of both
versions gotten directly from a Red Hat mirror.
Due to the fact that easy-to-use boot disk images are available for 7.0 and
I don't need to modify any software which I already have other than
downloading the appropriate boot image and using rawrite to copy it to
floppy it seems that this would be the best distro to choose in my case.
In reading the speakup-related readme for Red Hat 7.2 it seems that I would
have to radically alter the CDs I already have to make it work with speakup
and I don't really want the extra work at the moment.
Lastly, for synths I have two Accents, a pc and an sa, a transport, and a
BNS.
>From the collective experience of others, is there one which is easier to
get talking or which works better than any of the others given the ones I
have available to me or is it just a question of me choosing the one I like
to listen to the most and choosing to use it over any of the others.

In closing, thanks for reading, I'd appreciate any thoughts on what I've
written and guidance as to whether I am hitting a home run or if I am very
much out in left field so to speak.
Any and all opinions welcome either sent to the listserve or to me directly
using either ed.barnes@janus.northatlantic.nf.ca or ebarnes@superweb.ca.

Re: choosing a distro and version

[Raul A. Gallegos]

Hi there.  You can be sure we don't get tired of new list members.  At
least I don't.  Anyway, as to your question on which distro to start off
with my approach was like this:

Slackware, Debian, Redhat, in that order.  With Slackware I had to do
the most configuring to personalize it.  I like it though and can learn
the best that way so that is why I went that route.  Debian was my
second style of distro to learn and it has an awesome package manager
called apt which to me is the best so far compared to all the other
distros.  Redhat is widely used and is very good as well and does do a
lot of nice things for you and can be very easy for the newby.  Again,
depending on how you like to learn and how you like things being done
automatically will make a difference on which one you go with first.

Your ideas on partitioning the hard drives are pretty good.  If you have
2 physical drives what I would suggest is the following:

/dev/hda 2.0 gig
/dev/hda1 swap 256 mbytes
/dev/hda2 root 1.5 gbytes
/dev/hda3 /var remaining mbytes

/dev/hdb 1.66 gig
/dev/hdb1 /home

But again, depending on what you want to do it may vary.

I have a linux server with 2 nics in it.  eth0 the outside nic is the
one that has the outside Internet connection.  My dsl in this case.
eth1 is the inside one and I have a dhcp server on this so that I can
plug in my laptop which I use at work and at home without having to
change network settings.  I also have 2 other computers inside the
network as well as my girlfriend's windows box.  All of them are on the
private network with no need for firewalling software since I use
iptables on the server itself.

Hope all this helps and if you do have questions feel free to write me.

-- 
If you are good, you will be assigned all the work.  If you are real
good, you will get out of it.
Raul A. Gallegos - http://www.asmodean.net

choosing a distro and version

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

Um, Ed, I sure hope you get your distro soon, cuz your windows set-up
is sending stuff in an unusual format that requires me to do quite a
bit of futzing around before getting your messages.  Is there any way
you can send in plain text? 

Ann P.

-- 
			Ann K. Parsons  
email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
"All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT

Re: choosing a distro and version

[Thomas Ward]

Hi, Ed. Well, I would suggest Red Hat 7.2 myself. If you have access to a
high speed internet connection, and a cdrom burner there is a version of Red
Hat 7.2 on the Linux Speakup site that has Speakup already built in. It has
boot disks to help you with a self voicing install, etc.
Red Hat was my first distribution, and still is my favorite distribution.
Fpor newbies it has quite a lot to offer. The sound configuration tools,
kudzu hardware maniger, and other configuration tools to help you get it
going.

Your partitioning sounds good. It would be a vary good idea to put /home on
/dev/hdb.  I will leave it up to others to give specifics on partitioning
they use.

----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Barnes <ed.barnes@janus.northatlantic.nf.ca>
To: linux speakup listserve <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 11:22 AM
Subject: choosing a distro and version


> Hi again folks, hope nobody is sick of hearing from me yet, if so, I'm
> sorry.
> nevertheless, I was looking at the speakup web site, in particular
available
> information on Debian and Red Hat Linux distroes.
> I am debating choosing to setup either a Debian or a Red Hat system as my
> first Linux system
> I have spoken with some Linux users locally and the general consensus from
> those who have used both distroes is that for a first-timer Red Hat might
be
> an easier setup and that after I have successfully conquered setting up a
> Red Hat box I would have enough skill to conquer setup of Debian and/or
> Slackware as desired.
> Any thoughts?
> The system which I was planning to use and dedicate to setting up Linux as
> its only operating system is a Pentium II 233 MHZ w 64 mb of ram and two
> HDs, it has a sound blaster pro sound card, and it will have a Symbios
Logic
> pci video adapter or an Sys chip set based AGP though I am leaning toward
> using the AGP so as to be able to use the extra pci slot for something
more
> practical like one of the nics.
> I know that I should create a min of three partitions, /home, /root, and a
> swap partition.
> I have rough ideas of how big I want these partitions to be based on what
I
> wish to do with the server from a functional point of view.
> The two HDs are 1.6 gb and 2 gb in size respectively.
> From a point of view of incorporating some level of fault tolerance in the
> system I was thinking the root partition and the swap partition should go
on
> /dev/hda and the home partition should go on /dev/hdb.
>         This would make system backup more convenient as I would only have
> to backup the /dev/hdb drive to save user data.
> In the event that I do anything to cause the kernel to blow up I could
> simply flatten /dev/hda and re-install it and re-create the user accounts
> whose data is still stored on /dev/hdb and or my backups.
>   I was figuring that I would optimize hd space usage by using the 2 gb
> drive as /dev/hda and use the 1.6 gb as /dev/hdb as I don't estimate that
my
> system would have any more than 2 too 5 users, root, an user account, for
> myself, and one too three accounts that I might create to facilitate my
own
> fooling around and attempting to learn more about Linux aside from the
> accounts which some Linux services, processes create after they are
compiled
> into the kernel and started.
> I was also thinking of putting a min of two nics into the system so it
could
> be used to store a dynamic routing table for dns and create an ip subnet
> mask so though I am paying for only one ip through my cable internet
service
> provider all the machines I have at home could both access the internet
and
> be accessed from the internet by me.
> I know that steps to create an ip subnet mask and setup dns are well
> documented at linuxdoc.org and I enjoy reading tech docs as required so I
> won't bor you guys with questions that have already been answered
elsewhere.
> I have read the readme files pertaining to speakup when it is installed
with
> both Red Hat 7 and 7.2 respectively and I already have copies of both
> versions gotten directly from a Red Hat mirror.
> Due to the fact that easy-to-use boot disk images are available for 7.0
and
> I don't need to modify any software which I already have other than
> downloading the appropriate boot image and using rawrite to copy it to
> floppy it seems that this would be the best distro to choose in my case.
> In reading the speakup-related readme for Red Hat 7.2 it seems that I
would
> have to radically alter the CDs I already have to make it work with
speakup
> and I don't really want the extra work at the moment.
> Lastly, for synths I have two Accents, a pc and an sa, a transport, and a
> BNS.
> From the collective experience of others, is there one which is easier to
> get talking or which works better than any of the others given the ones I
> have available to me or is it just a question of me choosing the one I
like
> to listen to the most and choosing to use it over any of the others.
>
> In closing, thanks for reading, I'd appreciate any thoughts on what I've
> written and guidance as to whether I am hitting a home run or if I am very
> much out in left field so to speak.
> Any and all opinions welcome either sent to the listserve or to me
directly
> using either ed.barnes@janus.northatlantic.nf.ca or ebarnes@superweb.ca.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: choosing a distro and version

[Ed Barnes]

Hi Thomas, I have all of the above, fast network connection, fast cdrw
drive, etc, however; I discovered the red hat 7.2 cd images including
speakup in the red hat site at linux-speakup and both times I tried
downloading disk 1 of the i386 iso images both transfers died at about the
60 mb point, anyone have any thoughts as to why this happened.
I didn't receive any errors on screen.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Ward" <tward@bright.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version


Hi, Ed. Well, I would suggest Red Hat 7.2 myself. If you have access to a
high speed internet connection, and a cdrom burner there is a version of Red
Hat 7.2 on the Linux Speakup site that has Speakup already built in. It has
boot disks to help you with a self voicing install, etc.
Red Hat was my first distribution, and still is my favorite distribution.
Fpor newbies it has quite a lot to offer. The sound configuration tools,
kudzu hardware maniger, and other configuration tools to help you get it
going.

Your partitioning sounds good. It would be a vary good idea to put /home on
/dev/hdb.  I will leave it up to others to give specifics on partitioning
they use.

----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Barnes <ed.barnes@janus.northatlantic.nf.ca>
To: linux speakup listserve <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 11:22 AM
Subject: choosing a distro and version


> Hi again folks, hope nobody is sick of hearing from me yet, if so, I'm
> sorry.
> nevertheless, I was looking at the speakup web site, in particular
available
> information on Debian and Red Hat Linux distroes.
> I am debating choosing to setup either a Debian or a Red Hat system as my
> first Linux system
> I have spoken with some Linux users locally and the general consensus from
> those who have used both distroes is that for a first-timer Red Hat might
be
> an easier setup and that after I have successfully conquered setting up a
> Red Hat box I would have enough skill to conquer setup of Debian and/or
> Slackware as desired.
> Any thoughts?
> The system which I was planning to use and dedicate to setting up Linux as
> its only operating system is a Pentium II 233 MHZ w 64 mb of ram and two
> HDs, it has a sound blaster pro sound card, and it will have a Symbios
Logic
> pci video adapter or an Sys chip set based AGP though I am leaning toward
> using the AGP so as to be able to use the extra pci slot for something
more
> practical like one of the nics.
> I know that I should create a min of three partitions, /home, /root, and a
> swap partition.
> I have rough ideas of how big I want these partitions to be based on what
I
> wish to do with the server from a functional point of view.
> The two HDs are 1.6 gb and 2 gb in size respectively.
> From a point of view of incorporating some level of fault tolerance in the
> system I was thinking the root partition and the swap partition should go
on
> /dev/hda and the home partition should go on /dev/hdb.
>         This would make system backup more convenient as I would only have
> to backup the /dev/hdb drive to save user data.
> In the event that I do anything to cause the kernel to blow up I could
> simply flatten /dev/hda and re-install it and re-create the user accounts
> whose data is still stored on /dev/hdb and or my backups.
>   I was figuring that I would optimize hd space usage by using the 2 gb
> drive as /dev/hda and use the 1.6 gb as /dev/hdb as I don't estimate that
my
> system would have any more than 2 too 5 users, root, an user account, for
> myself, and one too three accounts that I might create to facilitate my
own
> fooling around and attempting to learn more about Linux aside from the
> accounts which some Linux services, processes create after they are
compiled
> into the kernel and started.
> I was also thinking of putting a min of two nics into the system so it
could
> be used to store a dynamic routing table for dns and create an ip subnet
> mask so though I am paying for only one ip through my cable internet
service
> provider all the machines I have at home could both access the internet
and
> be accessed from the internet by me.
> I know that steps to create an ip subnet mask and setup dns are well
> documented at linuxdoc.org and I enjoy reading tech docs as required so I
> won't bor you guys with questions that have already been answered
elsewhere.
> I have read the readme files pertaining to speakup when it is installed
with
> both Red Hat 7 and 7.2 respectively and I already have copies of both
> versions gotten directly from a Red Hat mirror.
> Due to the fact that easy-to-use boot disk images are available for 7.0
and
> I don't need to modify any software which I already have other than
> downloading the appropriate boot image and using rawrite to copy it to
> floppy it seems that this would be the best distro to choose in my case.
> In reading the speakup-related readme for Red Hat 7.2 it seems that I
would
> have to radically alter the CDs I already have to make it work with
speakup
> and I don't really want the extra work at the moment.
> Lastly, for synths I have two Accents, a pc and an sa, a transport, and a
> BNS.
> From the collective experience of others, is there one which is easier to
> get talking or which works better than any of the others given the ones I
> have available to me or is it just a question of me choosing the one I
like
> to listen to the most and choosing to use it over any of the others.
>
> In closing, thanks for reading, I'd appreciate any thoughts on what I've
> written and guidance as to whether I am hitting a home run or if I am very
> much out in left field so to speak.
> Any and all opinions welcome either sent to the listserve or to me
directly
> using either ed.barnes@janus.northatlantic.nf.ca or ebarnes@superweb.ca.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>


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Re: choosing a distro and version

[Ed Barnes]

Hi ann, messed around with some settings which seemed like they should fix
the problem which you are describing, namely those found under the send tab
of tools, options, in Ms Outlook Express.
Particularly the plane text settings buttons.
Not sure if this will help or not.
If it becomes overly annoying and I will compose mail to the list from a
shell environment using Mut, Pine, Elm, or another Unix/Linux style mail
client despit ethe fact I don't have my own box set up yet.
Ed

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann Parsons" <akp@eznet.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 1:52 PM
Subject: choosing a distro and version


Hi all,

Um, Ed, I sure hope you get your distro soon, cuz your windows set-up
is sending stuff in an unusual format that requires me to do quite a
bit of futzing around before getting your messages.  Is there any way
you can send in plain text?

Ann P.

--
Ann K. Parsons
email:  akp@eznet.net ICQ Number:  33006854
WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
"All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."
JRRT


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Re: choosing a distro and version

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

Nope, Ed, you done fixed it.  thanks!

Ann P.

-- 
			Ann K. Parsons  
email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
"All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT

Re: choosing a distro and version

[Thomas Ward]

Hi, I would use some other download maniger such as Download Excelerator or
ftp Explorer to get the red Hat iso files. that way if the download dies
which it always does for me you can go back into the download program, and
and hit continue.


----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Barnes <ed.barnes@janus.northatlantic.nf.ca>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version


> Hi Thomas, I have all of the above, fast network connection, fast cdrw
> drive, etc, however; I discovered the red hat 7.2 cd images including
> speakup in the red hat site at linux-speakup and both times I tried
> downloading disk 1 of the i386 iso images both transfers died at about the
> 60 mb point, anyone have any thoughts as to why this happened.
> I didn't receive any errors on screen.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Thomas Ward" <tward@bright.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 3:54 PM
> Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version
>
>
> Hi, Ed. Well, I would suggest Red Hat 7.2 myself. If you have access to a
> high speed internet connection, and a cdrom burner there is a version of
Red
> Hat 7.2 on the Linux Speakup site that has Speakup already built in. It
has
> boot disks to help you with a self voicing install, etc.
> Red Hat was my first distribution, and still is my favorite distribution.
> Fpor newbies it has quite a lot to offer. The sound configuration tools,
> kudzu hardware maniger, and other configuration tools to help you get it
> going.
>
> Your partitioning sounds good. It would be a vary good idea to put /home
on
> /dev/hdb.  I will leave it up to others to give specifics on partitioning
> they use.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ed Barnes <ed.barnes@janus.northatlantic.nf.ca>
> To: linux speakup listserve <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 11:22 AM
> Subject: choosing a distro and version
>
>
> > Hi again folks, hope nobody is sick of hearing from me yet, if so, I'm
> > sorry.
> > nevertheless, I was looking at the speakup web site, in particular
> available
> > information on Debian and Red Hat Linux distroes.
> > I am debating choosing to setup either a Debian or a Red Hat system as
my
> > first Linux system
> > I have spoken with some Linux users locally and the general consensus
from
> > those who have used both distroes is that for a first-timer Red Hat
might
> be
> > an easier setup and that after I have successfully conquered setting up
a
> > Red Hat box I would have enough skill to conquer setup of Debian and/or
> > Slackware as desired.
> > Any thoughts?
> > The system which I was planning to use and dedicate to setting up Linux
as
> > its only operating system is a Pentium II 233 MHZ w 64 mb of ram and two
> > HDs, it has a sound blaster pro sound card, and it will have a Symbios
> Logic
> > pci video adapter or an Sys chip set based AGP though I am leaning
toward
> > using the AGP so as to be able to use the extra pci slot for something
> more
> > practical like one of the nics.
> > I know that I should create a min of three partitions, /home, /root, and
a
> > swap partition.
> > I have rough ideas of how big I want these partitions to be based on
what
> I
> > wish to do with the server from a functional point of view.
> > The two HDs are 1.6 gb and 2 gb in size respectively.
> > From a point of view of incorporating some level of fault tolerance in
the
> > system I was thinking the root partition and the swap partition should
go
> on
> > /dev/hda and the home partition should go on /dev/hdb.
> >         This would make system backup more convenient as I would only
have
> > to backup the /dev/hdb drive to save user data.
> > In the event that I do anything to cause the kernel to blow up I could
> > simply flatten /dev/hda and re-install it and re-create the user
accounts
> > whose data is still stored on /dev/hdb and or my backups.
> >   I was figuring that I would optimize hd space usage by using the 2 gb
> > drive as /dev/hda and use the 1.6 gb as /dev/hdb as I don't estimate
that
> my
> > system would have any more than 2 too 5 users, root, an user account,
for
> > myself, and one too three accounts that I might create to facilitate my
> own
> > fooling around and attempting to learn more about Linux aside from the
> > accounts which some Linux services, processes create after they are
> compiled
> > into the kernel and started.
> > I was also thinking of putting a min of two nics into the system so it
> could
> > be used to store a dynamic routing table for dns and create an ip subnet
> > mask so though I am paying for only one ip through my cable internet
> service
> > provider all the machines I have at home could both access the internet
> and
> > be accessed from the internet by me.
> > I know that steps to create an ip subnet mask and setup dns are well
> > documented at linuxdoc.org and I enjoy reading tech docs as required so
I
> > won't bor you guys with questions that have already been answered
> elsewhere.
> > I have read the readme files pertaining to speakup when it is installed
> with
> > both Red Hat 7 and 7.2 respectively and I already have copies of both
> > versions gotten directly from a Red Hat mirror.
> > Due to the fact that easy-to-use boot disk images are available for 7.0
> and
> > I don't need to modify any software which I already have other than
> > downloading the appropriate boot image and using rawrite to copy it to
> > floppy it seems that this would be the best distro to choose in my case.
> > In reading the speakup-related readme for Red Hat 7.2 it seems that I
> would
> > have to radically alter the CDs I already have to make it work with
> speakup
> > and I don't really want the extra work at the moment.
> > Lastly, for synths I have two Accents, a pc and an sa, a transport, and
a
> > BNS.
> > From the collective experience of others, is there one which is easier
to
> > get talking or which works better than any of the others given the ones
I
> > have available to me or is it just a question of me choosing the one I
> like
> > to listen to the most and choosing to use it over any of the others.
> >
> > In closing, thanks for reading, I'd appreciate any thoughts on what I've
> > written and guidance as to whether I am hitting a home run or if I am
very
> > much out in left field so to speak.
> > Any and all opinions welcome either sent to the listserve or to me
> directly
> > using either ed.barnes@janus.northatlantic.nf.ca or ebarnes@superweb.ca.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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>
>
>
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Re: choosing a distro and version

[Ed Barnes]

Hi Thomas.
I got the first image on the third try, it didn't crap out.
I don't like any of the Winblows download managers so that's why I don't use
any of them.
I averaged 110 kbps and given that both times it crapped out at 60 mb or so
I really only lost ten minutes of my time and I was actually eating supper
so it's no big deal.
When I successfully got cd 1 I averaged 110 as well, and cd 2 is on its
descent from linux-speakup to one of my other boxes here in the room at the
moment and I'm getting 120 kbps at the moment with 18 minutes to go on the
download.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Ward" <tward@bright.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 2:28 AM
Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version


Hi, I would use some other download maniger such as Download Excelerator or
ftp Explorer to get the red Hat iso files. that way if the download dies
which it always does for me you can go back into the download program, and
and hit continue.


----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Barnes <ed.barnes@janus.northatlantic.nf.ca>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version


> Hi Thomas, I have all of the above, fast network connection, fast cdrw
> drive, etc, however; I discovered the red hat 7.2 cd images including
> speakup in the red hat site at linux-speakup and both times I tried
> downloading disk 1 of the i386 iso images both transfers died at about the
> 60 mb point, anyone have any thoughts as to why this happened.
> I didn't receive any errors on screen.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Thomas Ward" <tward@bright.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 3:54 PM
> Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version
>
>
> Hi, Ed. Well, I would suggest Red Hat 7.2 myself. If you have access to a
> high speed internet connection, and a cdrom burner there is a version of
Red
> Hat 7.2 on the Linux Speakup site that has Speakup already built in. It
has
> boot disks to help you with a self voicing install, etc.
> Red Hat was my first distribution, and still is my favorite distribution.
> Fpor newbies it has quite a lot to offer. The sound configuration tools,
> kudzu hardware maniger, and other configuration tools to help you get it
> going.
>
> Your partitioning sounds good. It would be a vary good idea to put /home
on
> /dev/hdb.  I will leave it up to others to give specifics on partitioning
> they use.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ed Barnes <ed.barnes@janus.northatlantic.nf.ca>
> To: linux speakup listserve <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 11:22 AM
> Subject: choosing a distro and version
>
>
> > Hi again folks, hope nobody is sick of hearing from me yet, if so, I'm
> > sorry.
> > nevertheless, I was looking at the speakup web site, in particular
> available
> > information on Debian and Red Hat Linux distroes.
> > I am debating choosing to setup either a Debian or a Red Hat system as
my
> > first Linux system
> > I have spoken with some Linux users locally and the general consensus
from
> > those who have used both distroes is that for a first-timer Red Hat
might
> be
> > an easier setup and that after I have successfully conquered setting up
a
> > Red Hat box I would have enough skill to conquer setup of Debian and/or
> > Slackware as desired.
> > Any thoughts?
> > The system which I was planning to use and dedicate to setting up Linux
as
> > its only operating system is a Pentium II 233 MHZ w 64 mb of ram and two
> > HDs, it has a sound blaster pro sound card, and it will have a Symbios
> Logic
> > pci video adapter or an Sys chip set based AGP though I am leaning
toward
> > using the AGP so as to be able to use the extra pci slot for something
> more
> > practical like one of the nics.
> > I know that I should create a min of three partitions, /home, /root, and
a
> > swap partition.
> > I have rough ideas of how big I want these partitions to be based on
what
> I
> > wish to do with the server from a functional point of view.
> > The two HDs are 1.6 gb and 2 gb in size respectively.
> > From a point of view of incorporating some level of fault tolerance in
the
> > system I was thinking the root partition and the swap partition should
go
> on
> > /dev/hda and the home partition should go on /dev/hdb.
> >         This would make system backup more convenient as I would only
have
> > to backup the /dev/hdb drive to save user data.
> > In the event that I do anything to cause the kernel to blow up I could
> > simply flatten /dev/hda and re-install it and re-create the user
accounts
> > whose data is still stored on /dev/hdb and or my backups.
> >   I was figuring that I would optimize hd space usage by using the 2 gb
> > drive as /dev/hda and use the 1.6 gb as /dev/hdb as I don't estimate
that
> my
> > system would have any more than 2 too 5 users, root, an user account,
for
> > myself, and one too three accounts that I might create to facilitate my
> own
> > fooling around and attempting to learn more about Linux aside from the
> > accounts which some Linux services, processes create after they are
> compiled
> > into the kernel and started.
> > I was also thinking of putting a min of two nics into the system so it
> could
> > be used to store a dynamic routing table for dns and create an ip subnet
> > mask so though I am paying for only one ip through my cable internet
> service
> > provider all the machines I have at home could both access the internet
> and
> > be accessed from the internet by me.
> > I know that steps to create an ip subnet mask and setup dns are well
> > documented at linuxdoc.org and I enjoy reading tech docs as required so
I
> > won't bor you guys with questions that have already been answered
> elsewhere.
> > I have read the readme files pertaining to speakup when it is installed
> with
> > both Red Hat 7 and 7.2 respectively and I already have copies of both
> > versions gotten directly from a Red Hat mirror.
> > Due to the fact that easy-to-use boot disk images are available for 7.0
> and
> > I don't need to modify any software which I already have other than
> > downloading the appropriate boot image and using rawrite to copy it to
> > floppy it seems that this would be the best distro to choose in my case.
> > In reading the speakup-related readme for Red Hat 7.2 it seems that I
> would
> > have to radically alter the CDs I already have to make it work with
> speakup
> > and I don't really want the extra work at the moment.
> > Lastly, for synths I have two Accents, a pc and an sa, a transport, and
a
> > BNS.
> > From the collective experience of others, is there one which is easier
to
> > get talking or which works better than any of the others given the ones
I
> > have available to me or is it just a question of me choosing the one I
> like
> > to listen to the most and choosing to use it over any of the others.
> >
> > In closing, thanks for reading, I'd appreciate any thoughts on what I've
> > written and guidance as to whether I am hitting a home run or if I am
very
> > much out in left field so to speak.
> > Any and all opinions welcome either sent to the listserve or to me
> directly
> > using either ed.barnes@janus.northatlantic.nf.ca or ebarnes@superweb.ca.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
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>
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Re: choosing a distro and version

[Ed Barnes]

Ral and list, thanks for all your quick and interesting responses since I
joined this list.

To update, I changed my mind and downloaded the isoes for Red Hat 7.2 so
will now use it as opposed to using 7.0 which I said I would do in a
previous message.

Ral, I found your partitioning ideas very helpful.

If anyone's wondering, I chose Red Hat over Debian or Slackware due to the
fact I know more Red Hat users locally and I figure that this will be
advantageous.
I also figure that considering that Red Hat has a reputation for being one
of the easier distroes for newbies to get going that it's best for me to
start with this one.

Now on to the partitions.
I have quoted selectively to make my message easier to follow.

/dev/hda 2.0 gig

/dev/hda1 swap 256 mbytes
As the box only has 64 mb of ram in it and I remember reading somewhere that
swap partitions should be two times ram, is this correct, and has swap file
sizing conventions changed as Linux releases have.
Also, is the usage of a swap partition under Linux similar to the usage of a
swap file under Windows NT/2000 with regard to what each does respectively.
Reason I ask this is that it would logically follow if my conclusions are
correct that the larger the swap file the better the chances one would have
for speeding up the boxes performance.

/dev/hda2 root 1.5 gbytes

/dev/hda3 /var remaining mbytes
I also read that by default that mail and ftp and web files are placed here
so wouldn't it be a bit better to subtract a little from the root partition
and donate that space to /var.

Due to the fact that I would be the only real user and any other users
created would be for experimentation purposes limiting the requirement of a
real large /home partition.
wouldn't it be better if I placed the swap partition on /dev/hdb.

Then, /dev/hda would have more room to dedicate to route and var partitions?

Any and all thoughts welcome.
Thanks much all.

By the time I get my machine up with the number of questions and senarios
I'm throwing toward you folks for evaluation and guidance if you ever run
into me somewhere I'll have alot of coffee and or beer to buy as an
expression of gratitude.

Talk to all later.

Ed

----- Original Message -----
From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul@asmodean.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version


Hi there.  You can be sure we don't get tired of new list members.  At
least I don't.  Anyway, as to your question on which distro to start off
with my approach was like this:

Slackware, Debian, Redhat, in that order.  With Slackware I had to do
the most configuring to personalize it.  I like it though and can learn
the best that way so that is why I went that route.  Debian was my
second style of distro to learn and it has an awesome package manager
called apt which to me is the best so far compared to all the other
distros.  Redhat is widely used and is very good as well and does do a
lot of nice things for you and can be very easy for the newby.  Again,
depending on how you like to learn and how you like things being done
automatically will make a difference on which one you go with first.

Your ideas on partitioning the hard drives are pretty good.  If you have
2 physical drives what I would suggest is the following:

/dev/hda 2.0 gig
/dev/hda1 swap 256 mbytes
/dev/hda2 root 1.5 gbytes
/dev/hda3 /var remaining mbytes

/dev/hdb 1.66 gig
/dev/hdb1 /home

But again, depending on what you want to do it may vary.

I have a linux server with 2 nics in it.  eth0 the outside nic is the
one that has the outside Internet connection.  My dsl in this case.
eth1 is the inside one and I have a dhcp server on this so that I can
plug in my laptop which I use at work and at home without having to
change network settings.  I also have 2 other computers inside the
network as well as my girlfriend's windows box.  All of them are on the
private network with no need for firewalling software since I use
iptables on the server itself.

Hope all this helps and if you do have questions feel free to write me.

--
If you are good, you will be assigned all the work.  If you are real
good, you will get out of it.
Raul A. Gallegos - http://www.asmodean.net

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Re: choosing a distro and version

[Alex Snow]

Hi Ed,
I am a first-time linux user and have a piece of advice: If you haven't used
linux befor, download "zipspeak" from
ftp://linux-speakup.org/pub/speakup/disks/slackware/zipspeak/zipspeak.zip
It's a preconfigured slackware that will run from a fat partition.  I'd
suggest it for people who are new to linux.  It is pretty easy to setup and
I know how to set it up.  Also it's author is very helpfull.
Hope this helps
Alex Snow
P.S.  I am working on a red hat version of zipspeak.

Re: choosing a distro and version

[Alex Snow]

110 kbps! when I downloaded it I got ab 50 kbps. Well that was during rush
hour but in the middle of the night it's much faster
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Barnes" <ed.barnes@janus.northatlantic.nf.ca>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 1:08 AM
Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version


> Hi Thomas.
> I got the first image on the third try, it didn't crap out.
> I don't like any of the Winblows download managers so that's why I don't
use
> any of them.
> I averaged 110 kbps and given that both times it crapped out at 60 mb or
so
> I really only lost ten minutes of my time and I was actually eating supper
> so it's no big deal.
> When I successfully got cd 1 I averaged 110 as well, and cd 2 is on its
> descent from linux-speakup to one of my other boxes here in the room at
the
> moment and I'm getting 120 kbps at the moment with 18 minutes to go on the
> download.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Thomas Ward" <tward@bright.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 2:28 AM
> Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version
>
>
> Hi, I would use some other download maniger such as Download Excelerator
or
> ftp Explorer to get the red Hat iso files. that way if the download dies
> which it always does for me you can go back into the download program, and
> and hit continue.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ed Barnes <ed.barnes@janus.northatlantic.nf.ca>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 8:55 PM
> Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version
>
>
> > Hi Thomas, I have all of the above, fast network connection, fast cdrw
> > drive, etc, however; I discovered the red hat 7.2 cd images including
> > speakup in the red hat site at linux-speakup and both times I tried
> > downloading disk 1 of the i386 iso images both transfers died at about
the
> > 60 mb point, anyone have any thoughts as to why this happened.
> > I didn't receive any errors on screen.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Thomas Ward" <tward@bright.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 3:54 PM
> > Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version
> >
> >
> > Hi, Ed. Well, I would suggest Red Hat 7.2 myself. If you have access to
a
> > high speed internet connection, and a cdrom burner there is a version of
> Red
> > Hat 7.2 on the Linux Speakup site that has Speakup already built in. It
> has
> > boot disks to help you with a self voicing install, etc.
> > Red Hat was my first distribution, and still is my favorite
distribution.
> > Fpor newbies it has quite a lot to offer. The sound configuration tools,
> > kudzu hardware maniger, and other configuration tools to help you get it
> > going.
> >
> > Your partitioning sounds good. It would be a vary good idea to put /home
> on
> > /dev/hdb.  I will leave it up to others to give specifics on
partitioning
> > they use.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ed Barnes <ed.barnes@janus.northatlantic.nf.ca>
> > To: linux speakup listserve <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 11:22 AM
> > Subject: choosing a distro and version
> >
> >
> > > Hi again folks, hope nobody is sick of hearing from me yet, if so, I'm
> > > sorry.
> > > nevertheless, I was looking at the speakup web site, in particular
> > available
> > > information on Debian and Red Hat Linux distroes.
> > > I am debating choosing to setup either a Debian or a Red Hat system as
> my
> > > first Linux system
> > > I have spoken with some Linux users locally and the general consensus
> from
> > > those who have used both distroes is that for a first-timer Red Hat
> might
> > be
> > > an easier setup and that after I have successfully conquered setting
up
> a
> > > Red Hat box I would have enough skill to conquer setup of Debian
and/or
> > > Slackware as desired.
> > > Any thoughts?
> > > The system which I was planning to use and dedicate to setting up
Linux
> as
> > > its only operating system is a Pentium II 233 MHZ w 64 mb of ram and
two
> > > HDs, it has a sound blaster pro sound card, and it will have a Symbios
> > Logic
> > > pci video adapter or an Sys chip set based AGP though I am leaning
> toward
> > > using the AGP so as to be able to use the extra pci slot for something
> > more
> > > practical like one of the nics.
> > > I know that I should create a min of three partitions, /home, /root,
and
> a
> > > swap partition.
> > > I have rough ideas of how big I want these partitions to be based on
> what
> > I
> > > wish to do with the server from a functional point of view.
> > > The two HDs are 1.6 gb and 2 gb in size respectively.
> > > From a point of view of incorporating some level of fault tolerance in
> the
> > > system I was thinking the root partition and the swap partition should
> go
> > on
> > > /dev/hda and the home partition should go on /dev/hdb.
> > >         This would make system backup more convenient as I would only
> have
> > > to backup the /dev/hdb drive to save user data.
> > > In the event that I do anything to cause the kernel to blow up I could
> > > simply flatten /dev/hda and re-install it and re-create the user
> accounts
> > > whose data is still stored on /dev/hdb and or my backups.
> > >   I was figuring that I would optimize hd space usage by using the 2
gb
> > > drive as /dev/hda and use the 1.6 gb as /dev/hdb as I don't estimate
> that
> > my
> > > system would have any more than 2 too 5 users, root, an user account,
> for
> > > myself, and one too three accounts that I might create to facilitate
my
> > own
> > > fooling around and attempting to learn more about Linux aside from the
> > > accounts which some Linux services, processes create after they are
> > compiled
> > > into the kernel and started.
> > > I was also thinking of putting a min of two nics into the system so it
> > could
> > > be used to store a dynamic routing table for dns and create an ip
subnet
> > > mask so though I am paying for only one ip through my cable internet
> > service
> > > provider all the machines I have at home could both access the
internet
> > and
> > > be accessed from the internet by me.
> > > I know that steps to create an ip subnet mask and setup dns are well
> > > documented at linuxdoc.org and I enjoy reading tech docs as required
so
> I
> > > won't bor you guys with questions that have already been answered
> > elsewhere.
> > > I have read the readme files pertaining to speakup when it is
installed
> > with
> > > both Red Hat 7 and 7.2 respectively and I already have copies of both
> > > versions gotten directly from a Red Hat mirror.
> > > Due to the fact that easy-to-use boot disk images are available for
7.0
> > and
> > > I don't need to modify any software which I already have other than
> > > downloading the appropriate boot image and using rawrite to copy it to
> > > floppy it seems that this would be the best distro to choose in my
case.
> > > In reading the speakup-related readme for Red Hat 7.2 it seems that I
> > would
> > > have to radically alter the CDs I already have to make it work with
> > speakup
> > > and I don't really want the extra work at the moment.
> > > Lastly, for synths I have two Accents, a pc and an sa, a transport,
and
> a
> > > BNS.
> > > From the collective experience of others, is there one which is easier
> to
> > > get talking or which works better than any of the others given the
ones
> I
> > > have available to me or is it just a question of me choosing the one I
> > like
> > > to listen to the most and choosing to use it over any of the others.
> > >
> > > In closing, thanks for reading, I'd appreciate any thoughts on what
I've
> > > written and guidance as to whether I am hitting a home run or if I am
> very
> > > much out in left field so to speak.
> > > Any and all opinions welcome either sent to the listserve or to me
> > directly
> > > using either ed.barnes@janus.northatlantic.nf.ca or
ebarnes@superweb.ca.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> >
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> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: choosing a distro and version

[charles crawford]

Ed,

	Downloading from the redhat site is less produtive than less
trafficed ones.  You should have beter luck from the speakup site.

-- charlie Crawford.

Re: choosing a distro and version

[Igor Gueths]

Hi Charles. If memory serves me correctly, aren't you the former sysop of the mcb-bbs that used to be popular way back when? The reason I am asking is because aht ever happened to the telnet version? Sorry listers, I know this is off topic, but if anyone wants to mail me privately you can and I can tell you about it. igueths@yahooo.com.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: charles crawford <ccrawford@acb.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version


> Ed,
> 
> Downloading from the redhat site is less produtive than less
> trafficed ones.  You should have beter luck from the speakup site.
> 
> -- charlie Crawford.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: choosing a distro and version

[Ed Barnes]

Hi Alex.
Thanks for writing.
I would actually prefer to go with a system that is not a dual boot because
I hate dual boots unless they are the *only* option so I will be running the
system on a system dedicated to Linux only.
I also want the challenges of configuring the system as someone who will be
graduating from an I.T. program in May.
I feel the little introduction we received with regard to Linux totally
missed the boat so to speak so I want to teach myself all I can.
I am going to go Red Hat because there are more users of that distro locally
so I figure should I do anything to totally mess up my machine I'll have
more help sources around here should I need to avail of them.
Thanks and have a nice day.
Ed Barnes

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version


Hi Ed,
I am a first-time linux user and have a piece of advice: If you haven't used
linux befor, download "zipspeak" from
ftp://linux-speakup.org/pub/speakup/disks/slackware/zipspeak/zipspeak.zip
It's a preconfigured slackware that will run from a fat partition.  I'd
suggest it for people who are new to linux.  It is pretty easy to setup and
I know how to set it up.  Also it's author is very helpfull.
Hope this helps
Alex Snow
P.S.  I am working on a red hat version of zipspeak.


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Re: choosing a distro and version

[Janina Sajka]

Two points:

1.)	 You should be dlwonloading from linux-speakup.org, and nowhere 
else. Any other address you may have been given is now old news. Though 
well-meaning people will still give out other addresses, this is now the 
one to use, and the one that will stay for the forseeable future.

Using http, goto:

	http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/redhat/images/

Or, use anonymous ftp at ftp.linux-speakup.org and cd to 
pub/speakup/disks/redhat/images.

2.)	If at all possible, use some kind of download software that 
supports resuming an interrupted download. As you're discovering, this can 
be an invaluable feature. ncftp for windows is one such client:

	ftp://ftp.ncftp.com/ncftp/binaries/ncftp-3.1.2-win32.exe

There are others, such as CuteFTP at:

http://www.globalscape.com/download/index.shtml


On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, Ed Barnes wrote:

> Hi Thomas, I have all of the above, fast network connection, fast cdrw
> drive, etc, however; I discovered the red hat 7.2 cd images including
> speakup in the red hat site at linux-speakup and both times I tried
> downloading disk 1 of the i386 iso images both transfers died at about the
> 60 mb point, anyone have any thoughts as to why this happened.
> I didn't receive any errors on screen.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Thomas Ward" <tward@bright.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 3:54 PM
> Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version
> 
> 
> Hi, Ed. Well, I would suggest Red Hat 7.2 myself. If you have access to a
> high speed internet connection, and a cdrom burner there is a version of Red
> Hat 7.2 on the Linux Speakup site that has Speakup already built in. It has
> boot disks to help you with a self voicing install, etc.
> Red Hat was my first distribution, and still is my favorite distribution.
> Fpor newbies it has quite a lot to offer. The sound configuration tools,
> kudzu hardware maniger, and other configuration tools to help you get it
> going.
> 
> Your partitioning sounds good. It would be a vary good idea to put /home on
> /dev/hdb.  I will leave it up to others to give specifics on partitioning
> they use.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ed Barnes <ed.barnes@janus.northatlantic.nf.ca>
> To: linux speakup listserve <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 11:22 AM
> Subject: choosing a distro and version
> 
> 
> > Hi again folks, hope nobody is sick of hearing from me yet, if so, I'm
> > sorry.
> > nevertheless, I was looking at the speakup web site, in particular
> available
> > information on Debian and Red Hat Linux distroes.
> > I am debating choosing to setup either a Debian or a Red Hat system as my
> > first Linux system
> > I have spoken with some Linux users locally and the general consensus from
> > those who have used both distroes is that for a first-timer Red Hat might
> be
> > an easier setup and that after I have successfully conquered setting up a
> > Red Hat box I would have enough skill to conquer setup of Debian and/or
> > Slackware as desired.
> > Any thoughts?
> > The system which I was planning to use and dedicate to setting up Linux as
> > its only operating system is a Pentium II 233 MHZ w 64 mb of ram and two
> > HDs, it has a sound blaster pro sound card, and it will have a Symbios
> Logic
> > pci video adapter or an Sys chip set based AGP though I am leaning toward
> > using the AGP so as to be able to use the extra pci slot for something
> more
> > practical like one of the nics.
> > I know that I should create a min of three partitions, /home, /root, and a
> > swap partition.
> > I have rough ideas of how big I want these partitions to be based on what
> I
> > wish to do with the server from a functional point of view.
> > The two HDs are 1.6 gb and 2 gb in size respectively.
> > From a point of view of incorporating some level of fault tolerance in the
> > system I was thinking the root partition and the swap partition should go
> on
> > /dev/hda and the home partition should go on /dev/hdb.
> >         This would make system backup more convenient as I would only have
> > to backup the /dev/hdb drive to save user data.
> > In the event that I do anything to cause the kernel to blow up I could
> > simply flatten /dev/hda and re-install it and re-create the user accounts
> > whose data is still stored on /dev/hdb and or my backups.
> >   I was figuring that I would optimize hd space usage by using the 2 gb
> > drive as /dev/hda and use the 1.6 gb as /dev/hdb as I don't estimate that
> my
> > system would have any more than 2 too 5 users, root, an user account, for
> > myself, and one too three accounts that I might create to facilitate my
> own
> > fooling around and attempting to learn more about Linux aside from the
> > accounts which some Linux services, processes create after they are
> compiled
> > into the kernel and started.
> > I was also thinking of putting a min of two nics into the system so it
> could
> > be used to store a dynamic routing table for dns and create an ip subnet
> > mask so though I am paying for only one ip through my cable internet
> service
> > provider all the machines I have at home could both access the internet
> and
> > be accessed from the internet by me.
> > I know that steps to create an ip subnet mask and setup dns are well
> > documented at linuxdoc.org and I enjoy reading tech docs as required so I
> > won't bor you guys with questions that have already been answered
> elsewhere.
> > I have read the readme files pertaining to speakup when it is installed
> with
> > both Red Hat 7 and 7.2 respectively and I already have copies of both
> > versions gotten directly from a Red Hat mirror.
> > Due to the fact that easy-to-use boot disk images are available for 7.0
> and
> > I don't need to modify any software which I already have other than
> > downloading the appropriate boot image and using rawrite to copy it to
> > floppy it seems that this would be the best distro to choose in my case.
> > In reading the speakup-related readme for Red Hat 7.2 it seems that I
> would
> > have to radically alter the CDs I already have to make it work with
> speakup
> > and I don't really want the extra work at the moment.
> > Lastly, for synths I have two Accents, a pc and an sa, a transport, and a
> > BNS.
> > From the collective experience of others, is there one which is easier to
> > get talking or which works better than any of the others given the ones I
> > have available to me or is it just a question of me choosing the one I
> like
> > to listen to the most and choosing to use it over any of the others.
> >
> > In closing, thanks for reading, I'd appreciate any thoughts on what I've
> > written and guidance as to whether I am hitting a home run or if I am very
> > much out in left field so to speak.
> > Any and all opinions welcome either sent to the listserve or to me
> directly
> > using either ed.barnes@janus.northatlantic.nf.ca or ebarnes@superweb.ca.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

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				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Re: choosing a distro and version

[Ed Barnes]

Charlie, I got the three images I needed late last night despite my problems
downloading the first cd earlier in the evening.
Thanks.
Ed

----- Original Message -----
From: "charles crawford" <ccrawford@acb.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version


Ed,

Downloading from the redhat site is less produtive than less
trafficed ones.  You should have beter luck from the speakup site.

-- charlie Crawford.



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Re: choosing a distro and version

[Janina Sajka]

I don't know about the wisdom of putting swap in hda1. Sounds unusual to 
me, put I don't know that there's actually anything wrong with that. I 
just have never seen that.

Also, it's not your /root -- but your / partition which is the root. 1.5 
gB is undoubtedly large--try 500 mB or even less. I get away with about 
256 mB these days. Essentially, make this bigger if it includes /var, and 
less if /var is a separate partition, and less if /var will have 
relatively little to do--no ftp, no web, only your mail, etc.

Your note does not speak of /usr. That is very important, and will take at 
least 1 gB if you install nothing from X, and about 3.5 gB if you install 
everything in the RH 7.2 distribution.

My advice is to let diskdruid figure out where to put things. It's good at 
that. Just specify the sizes and mount points. The term "Mount points," by 
the way,  is linux speak for things like /, and /usr, and /home, etc.


 On Sat, 23 Feb 2002, Ed Barnes wrote:

> Ral and list, thanks for all your quick and interesting responses since I
> joined this list.
> 
> To update, I changed my mind and downloaded the isoes for Red Hat 7.2 so
> will now use it as opposed to using 7.0 which I said I would do in a
> previous message.
> 
> Ral, I found your partitioning ideas very helpful.
> 
> If anyone's wondering, I chose Red Hat over Debian or Slackware due to the
> fact I know more Red Hat users locally and I figure that this will be
> advantageous.
> I also figure that considering that Red Hat has a reputation for being one
> of the easier distroes for newbies to get going that it's best for me to
> start with this one.
> 
> Now on to the partitions.
> I have quoted selectively to make my message easier to follow.
> 
> /dev/hda 2.0 gig
> 
> /dev/hda1 swap 256 mbytes
> As the box only has 64 mb of ram in it and I remember reading somewhere that
> swap partitions should be two times ram, is this correct, and has swap file
> sizing conventions changed as Linux releases have.
> Also, is the usage of a swap partition under Linux similar to the usage of a
> swap file under Windows NT/2000 with regard to what each does respectively.
> Reason I ask this is that it would logically follow if my conclusions are
> correct that the larger the swap file the better the chances one would have
> for speeding up the boxes performance.
> 
> /dev/hda2 root 1.5 gbytes
> 
> /dev/hda3 /var remaining mbytes
> I also read that by default that mail and ftp and web files are placed here
> so wouldn't it be a bit better to subtract a little from the root partition
> and donate that space to /var.
> 
> Due to the fact that I would be the only real user and any other users
> created would be for experimentation purposes limiting the requirement of a
> real large /home partition.
> wouldn't it be better if I placed the swap partition on /dev/hdb.
> 
> Then, /dev/hda would have more room to dedicate to route and var partitions?
> 
> Any and all thoughts welcome.
> Thanks much all.
> 
> By the time I get my machine up with the number of questions and senarios
> I'm throwing toward you folks for evaluation and guidance if you ever run
> into me somewhere I'll have alot of coffee and or beer to buy as an
> expression of gratitude.
> 
> Talk to all later.
> 
> Ed
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul@asmodean.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 1:19 PM
> Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version
> 
> 
> Hi there.  You can be sure we don't get tired of new list members.  At
> least I don't.  Anyway, as to your question on which distro to start off
> with my approach was like this:
> 
> Slackware, Debian, Redhat, in that order.  With Slackware I had to do
> the most configuring to personalize it.  I like it though and can learn
> the best that way so that is why I went that route.  Debian was my
> second style of distro to learn and it has an awesome package manager
> called apt which to me is the best so far compared to all the other
> distros.  Redhat is widely used and is very good as well and does do a
> lot of nice things for you and can be very easy for the newby.  Again,
> depending on how you like to learn and how you like things being done
> automatically will make a difference on which one you go with first.
> 
> Your ideas on partitioning the hard drives are pretty good.  If you have
> 2 physical drives what I would suggest is the following:
> 
> /dev/hda 2.0 gig
> /dev/hda1 swap 256 mbytes
> /dev/hda2 root 1.5 gbytes
> /dev/hda3 /var remaining mbytes
> 
> /dev/hdb 1.66 gig
> /dev/hdb1 /home
> 
> But again, depending on what you want to do it may vary.
> 
> I have a linux server with 2 nics in it.  eth0 the outside nic is the
> one that has the outside Internet connection.  My dsl in this case.
> eth1 is the inside one and I have a dhcp server on this so that I can
> plug in my laptop which I use at work and at home without having to
> change network settings.  I also have 2 other computers inside the
> network as well as my girlfriend's windows box.  All of them are on the
> private network with no need for firewalling software since I use
> iptables on the server itself.
> 
> Hope all this helps and if you do have questions feel free to write me.
> 
> --
> If you are good, you will be assigned all the work.  If you are real
> good, you will get out of it.
> Raul A. Gallegos - http://www.asmodean.net
> 
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> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> 
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

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				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Re: choosing a distro and version

[Ed Barnes]

Hi janina, I eventually successfully downloaded the images with no problems,
the main reason I don't usually use programs which support download
resumption is because I am now on cable and if I am downloading isoes and
such I usually set them to start before I go to bed here at home and if it
craps out it's no big deal, I just re-start it when I leave for school in
the mornings.
I also don't like Cute FTP, it's a question of personal preference in this
case, and it was the only client I bothered to familiarize myself with when
it comes to Windows-based anything in the ftp client arena.
I usually use ftp from the Windows DOS-box, the only thing I find
challenging, and I would guess others probably find this to be so
irregardless what command line utility they are using is remembering long
file names because they are becoming more and more common.
I downloaded Ncftp but haven't tested it out.

Thanks Janina and have a good week-end.
Ed Barnes

----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version


Two points:

1.) You should be dlwonloading from linux-speakup.org, and nowhere
else. Any other address you may have been given is now old news. Though
well-meaning people will still give out other addresses, this is now the
one to use, and the one that will stay for the forseeable future.

Using http, goto:

http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/redhat/images/

Or, use anonymous ftp at ftp.linux-speakup.org and cd to
pub/speakup/disks/redhat/images.

2.) If at all possible, use some kind of download software that
supports resuming an interrupted download. As you're discovering, this can
be an invaluable feature. ncftp for windows is one such client:

ftp://ftp.ncftp.com/ncftp/binaries/ncftp-3.1.2-win32.exe

There are others, such as CuteFTP at:

http://www.globalscape.com/download/index.shtml


On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, Ed Barnes wrote:

> Hi Thomas, I have all of the above, fast network connection, fast cdrw
> drive, etc, however; I discovered the red hat 7.2 cd images including
> speakup in the red hat site at linux-speakup and both times I tried
> downloading disk 1 of the i386 iso images both transfers died at about the
> 60 mb point, anyone have any thoughts as to why this happened.
> I didn't receive any errors on screen.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Thomas Ward" <tward@bright.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 3:54 PM
> Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version
>
>
> Hi, Ed. Well, I would suggest Red Hat 7.2 myself. If you have access to a
> high speed internet connection, and a cdrom burner there is a version of
Red
> Hat 7.2 on the Linux Speakup site that has Speakup already built in. It
has
> boot disks to help you with a self voicing install, etc.
> Red Hat was my first distribution, and still is my favorite distribution.
> Fpor newbies it has quite a lot to offer. The sound configuration tools,
> kudzu hardware maniger, and other configuration tools to help you get it
> going.
>
> Your partitioning sounds good. It would be a vary good idea to put /home
on
> /dev/hdb.  I will leave it up to others to give specifics on partitioning
> they use.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ed Barnes <ed.barnes@janus.northatlantic.nf.ca>
> To: linux speakup listserve <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 11:22 AM
> Subject: choosing a distro and version
>
>
> > Hi again folks, hope nobody is sick of hearing from me yet, if so, I'm
> > sorry.
> > nevertheless, I was looking at the speakup web site, in particular
> available
> > information on Debian and Red Hat Linux distroes.
> > I am debating choosing to setup either a Debian or a Red Hat system as
my
> > first Linux system
> > I have spoken with some Linux users locally and the general consensus
from
> > those who have used both distroes is that for a first-timer Red Hat
might
> be
> > an easier setup and that after I have successfully conquered setting up
a
> > Red Hat box I would have enough skill to conquer setup of Debian and/or
> > Slackware as desired.
> > Any thoughts?
> > The system which I was planning to use and dedicate to setting up Linux
as
> > its only operating system is a Pentium II 233 MHZ w 64 mb of ram and two
> > HDs, it has a sound blaster pro sound card, and it will have a Symbios
> Logic
> > pci video adapter or an Sys chip set based AGP though I am leaning
toward
> > using the AGP so as to be able to use the extra pci slot for something
> more
> > practical like one of the nics.
> > I know that I should create a min of three partitions, /home, /root, and
a
> > swap partition.
> > I have rough ideas of how big I want these partitions to be based on
what
> I
> > wish to do with the server from a functional point of view.
> > The two HDs are 1.6 gb and 2 gb in size respectively.
> > From a point of view of incorporating some level of fault tolerance in
the
> > system I was thinking the root partition and the swap partition should
go
> on
> > /dev/hda and the home partition should go on /dev/hdb.
> >         This would make system backup more convenient as I would only
have
> > to backup the /dev/hdb drive to save user data.
> > In the event that I do anything to cause the kernel to blow up I could
> > simply flatten /dev/hda and re-install it and re-create the user
accounts
> > whose data is still stored on /dev/hdb and or my backups.
> >   I was figuring that I would optimize hd space usage by using the 2 gb
> > drive as /dev/hda and use the 1.6 gb as /dev/hdb as I don't estimate
that
> my
> > system would have any more than 2 too 5 users, root, an user account,
for
> > myself, and one too three accounts that I might create to facilitate my
> own
> > fooling around and attempting to learn more about Linux aside from the
> > accounts which some Linux services, processes create after they are
> compiled
> > into the kernel and started.
> > I was also thinking of putting a min of two nics into the system so it
> could
> > be used to store a dynamic routing table for dns and create an ip subnet
> > mask so though I am paying for only one ip through my cable internet
> service
> > provider all the machines I have at home could both access the internet
> and
> > be accessed from the internet by me.
> > I know that steps to create an ip subnet mask and setup dns are well
> > documented at linuxdoc.org and I enjoy reading tech docs as required so
I
> > won't bor you guys with questions that have already been answered
> elsewhere.
> > I have read the readme files pertaining to speakup when it is installed
> with
> > both Red Hat 7 and 7.2 respectively and I already have copies of both
> > versions gotten directly from a Red Hat mirror.
> > Due to the fact that easy-to-use boot disk images are available for 7.0
> and
> > I don't need to modify any software which I already have other than
> > downloading the appropriate boot image and using rawrite to copy it to
> > floppy it seems that this would be the best distro to choose in my case.
> > In reading the speakup-related readme for Red Hat 7.2 it seems that I
> would
> > have to radically alter the CDs I already have to make it work with
> speakup
> > and I don't really want the extra work at the moment.
> > Lastly, for synths I have two Accents, a pc and an sa, a transport, and
a
> > BNS.
> > From the collective experience of others, is there one which is easier
to
> > get talking or which works better than any of the others given the ones
I
> > have available to me or is it just a question of me choosing the one I
> like
> > to listen to the most and choosing to use it over any of the others.
> >
> > In closing, thanks for reading, I'd appreciate any thoughts on what I've
> > written and guidance as to whether I am hitting a home run or if I am
very
> > much out in left field so to speak.
> > Any and all opinions welcome either sent to the listserve or to me
> directly
> > using either ed.barnes@janus.northatlantic.nf.ca or ebarnes@superweb.ca.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

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Technology Research and Development
Governmental Relations Group
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
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Re: choosing a distro and version

[Janina Sajka]

ncftp is wonderful. I don't know about the Windows version, because I've 
only used ncftp onlinux, but it's really everything one would wish plain 
old ftp could be.Such as, it supports filename completion from the tab 
key, and adjusts itself to binary, and has bookmarks, etc., etc.
 On Sat, 
23 Feb 2002, Ed Barnes wrote:

> Hi janina, I eventually successfully downloaded the images with no problems,
> the main reason I don't usually use programs which support download
> resumption is because I am now on cable and if I am downloading isoes and
> such I usually set them to start before I go to bed here at home and if it
> craps out it's no big deal, I just re-start it when I leave for school in
> the mornings.
> I also don't like Cute FTP, it's a question of personal preference in this
> case, and it was the only client I bothered to familiarize myself with when
> it comes to Windows-based anything in the ftp client arena.
> I usually use ftp from the Windows DOS-box, the only thing I find
> challenging, and I would guess others probably find this to be so
> irregardless what command line utility they are using is remembering long
> file names because they are becoming more and more common.
> I downloaded Ncftp but haven't tested it out.
> 
> Thanks Janina and have a good week-end.
> Ed Barnes
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 1:38 PM
> Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version
> 
> 
> Two points:
> 
> 1.) You should be dlwonloading from linux-speakup.org, and nowhere
> else. Any other address you may have been given is now old news. Though
> well-meaning people will still give out other addresses, this is now the
> one to use, and the one that will stay for the forseeable future.
> 
> Using http, goto:
> 
> http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/redhat/images/
> 
> Or, use anonymous ftp at ftp.linux-speakup.org and cd to
> pub/speakup/disks/redhat/images.
> 
> 2.) If at all possible, use some kind of download software that
> supports resuming an interrupted download. As you're discovering, this can
> be an invaluable feature. ncftp for windows is one such client:
> 
> ftp://ftp.ncftp.com/ncftp/binaries/ncftp-3.1.2-win32.exe
> 
> There are others, such as CuteFTP at:
> 
> http://www.globalscape.com/download/index.shtml
> 
> 
> On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, Ed Barnes wrote:
> 
> > Hi Thomas, I have all of the above, fast network connection, fast cdrw
> > drive, etc, however; I discovered the red hat 7.2 cd images including
> > speakup in the red hat site at linux-speakup and both times I tried
> > downloading disk 1 of the i386 iso images both transfers died at about the
> > 60 mb point, anyone have any thoughts as to why this happened.
> > I didn't receive any errors on screen.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Thomas Ward" <tward@bright.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 3:54 PM
> > Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version
> >
> >
> > Hi, Ed. Well, I would suggest Red Hat 7.2 myself. If you have access to a
> > high speed internet connection, and a cdrom burner there is a version of
> Red
> > Hat 7.2 on the Linux Speakup site that has Speakup already built in. It
> has
> > boot disks to help you with a self voicing install, etc.
> > Red Hat was my first distribution, and still is my favorite distribution.
> > Fpor newbies it has quite a lot to offer. The sound configuration tools,
> > kudzu hardware maniger, and other configuration tools to help you get it
> > going.
> >
> > Your partitioning sounds good. It would be a vary good idea to put /home
> on
> > /dev/hdb.  I will leave it up to others to give specifics on partitioning
> > they use.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ed Barnes <ed.barnes@janus.northatlantic.nf.ca>
> > To: linux speakup listserve <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 11:22 AM
> > Subject: choosing a distro and version
> >
> >
> > > Hi again folks, hope nobody is sick of hearing from me yet, if so, I'm
> > > sorry.
> > > nevertheless, I was looking at the speakup web site, in particular
> > available
> > > information on Debian and Red Hat Linux distroes.
> > > I am debating choosing to setup either a Debian or a Red Hat system as
> my
> > > first Linux system
> > > I have spoken with some Linux users locally and the general consensus
> from
> > > those who have used both distroes is that for a first-timer Red Hat
> might
> > be
> > > an easier setup and that after I have successfully conquered setting up
> a
> > > Red Hat box I would have enough skill to conquer setup of Debian and/or
> > > Slackware as desired.
> > > Any thoughts?
> > > The system which I was planning to use and dedicate to setting up Linux
> as
> > > its only operating system is a Pentium II 233 MHZ w 64 mb of ram and two
> > > HDs, it has a sound blaster pro sound card, and it will have a Symbios
> > Logic
> > > pci video adapter or an Sys chip set based AGP though I am leaning
> toward
> > > using the AGP so as to be able to use the extra pci slot for something
> > more
> > > practical like one of the nics.
> > > I know that I should create a min of three partitions, /home, /root, and
> a
> > > swap partition.
> > > I have rough ideas of how big I want these partitions to be based on
> what
> > I
> > > wish to do with the server from a functional point of view.
> > > The two HDs are 1.6 gb and 2 gb in size respectively.
> > > From a point of view of incorporating some level of fault tolerance in
> the
> > > system I was thinking the root partition and the swap partition should
> go
> > on
> > > /dev/hda and the home partition should go on /dev/hdb.
> > >         This would make system backup more convenient as I would only
> have
> > > to backup the /dev/hdb drive to save user data.
> > > In the event that I do anything to cause the kernel to blow up I could
> > > simply flatten /dev/hda and re-install it and re-create the user
> accounts
> > > whose data is still stored on /dev/hdb and or my backups.
> > >   I was figuring that I would optimize hd space usage by using the 2 gb
> > > drive as /dev/hda and use the 1.6 gb as /dev/hdb as I don't estimate
> that
> > my
> > > system would have any more than 2 too 5 users, root, an user account,
> for
> > > myself, and one too three accounts that I might create to facilitate my
> > own
> > > fooling around and attempting to learn more about Linux aside from the
> > > accounts which some Linux services, processes create after they are
> > compiled
> > > into the kernel and started.
> > > I was also thinking of putting a min of two nics into the system so it
> > could
> > > be used to store a dynamic routing table for dns and create an ip subnet
> > > mask so though I am paying for only one ip through my cable internet
> > service
> > > provider all the machines I have at home could both access the internet
> > and
> > > be accessed from the internet by me.
> > > I know that steps to create an ip subnet mask and setup dns are well
> > > documented at linuxdoc.org and I enjoy reading tech docs as required so
> I
> > > won't bor you guys with questions that have already been answered
> > elsewhere.
> > > I have read the readme files pertaining to speakup when it is installed
> > with
> > > both Red Hat 7 and 7.2 respectively and I already have copies of both
> > > versions gotten directly from a Red Hat mirror.
> > > Due to the fact that easy-to-use boot disk images are available for 7.0
> > and
> > > I don't need to modify any software which I already have other than
> > > downloading the appropriate boot image and using rawrite to copy it to
> > > floppy it seems that this would be the best distro to choose in my case.
> > > In reading the speakup-related readme for Red Hat 7.2 it seems that I
> > would
> > > have to radically alter the CDs I already have to make it work with
> > speakup
> > > and I don't really want the extra work at the moment.
> > > Lastly, for synths I have two Accents, a pc and an sa, a transport, and
> a
> > > BNS.
> > > From the collective experience of others, is there one which is easier
> to
> > > get talking or which works better than any of the others given the ones
> I
> > > have available to me or is it just a question of me choosing the one I
> > like
> > > to listen to the most and choosing to use it over any of the others.
> > >
> > > In closing, thanks for reading, I'd appreciate any thoughts on what I've
> > > written and guidance as to whether I am hitting a home run or if I am
> very
> > > much out in left field so to speak.
> > > Any and all opinions welcome either sent to the listserve or to me
> > directly
> > > using either ed.barnes@janus.northatlantic.nf.ca or ebarnes@superweb.ca.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> --
> 
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> 
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> 
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

ncftp, was: Re: choosing a distro and version

[Gregory Nowak]

How do you know the windows version has all the features of the gnu/linux version?

Also, how can you say you love ncftp if you've only used one version or port of it?
It's like saying you love Italian food because you've eaten pizza, but never ate spaghetti.
Greg


On Sat, Feb 23, 2002 at 06:10:06PM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> ncftp is wonderful. I don't know about the Windows version, because I've 
> only used ncftp onlinux, but it's really everything one would wish plain 
> old ftp could be.Such as, it supports filename completion from the tab 
> key, and adjusts itself to binary, and has bookmarks, etc., etc.
>  On Sat, 
> 23 Feb 2002, Ed Barnes wrote:
> 
> > Hi janina, I eventually successfully downloaded the images with no problems,
> > the main reason I don't usually use programs which support download
> > resumption is because I am now on cable and if I am downloading isoes and
> > such I usually set them to start before I go to bed here at home and if it
> > craps out it's no big deal, I just re-start it when I leave for school in
> > the mornings.
> > I also don't like Cute FTP, it's a question of personal preference in this
> > case, and it was the only client I bothered to familiarize myself with when
> > it comes to Windows-based anything in the ftp client arena.
> > I usually use ftp from the Windows DOS-box, the only thing I find
> > challenging, and I would guess others probably find this to be so
> > irregardless what command line utility they are using is remembering long
> > file names because they are becoming more and more common.
> > I downloaded Ncftp but haven't tested it out.
> > 
> > Thanks Janina and have a good week-end.
> > Ed Barnes
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 1:38 PM
> > Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version
> > 
> > 
> > Two points:
> > 
> > 1.) You should be dlwonloading from linux-speakup.org, and nowhere
> > else. Any other address you may have been given is now old news. Though
> > well-meaning people will still give out other addresses, this is now the
> > one to use, and the one that will stay for the forseeable future.
> > 
> > Using http, goto:
> > 
> > http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/redhat/images/
> > 
> > Or, use anonymous ftp at ftp.linux-speakup.org and cd to
> > pub/speakup/disks/redhat/images.
> > 
> > 2.) If at all possible, use some kind of download software that
> > supports resuming an interrupted download. As you're discovering, this can
> > be an invaluable feature. ncftp for windows is one such client:
> > 
> > ftp://ftp.ncftp.com/ncftp/binaries/ncftp-3.1.2-win32.exe
> > 
> > There are others, such as CuteFTP at:
> > 
> > http://www.globalscape.com/download/index.shtml
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, Ed Barnes wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi Thomas, I have all of the above, fast network connection, fast cdrw
> > > drive, etc, however; I discovered the red hat 7.2 cd images including
> > > speakup in the red hat site at linux-speakup and both times I tried
> > > downloading disk 1 of the i386 iso images both transfers died at about the
> > > 60 mb point, anyone have any thoughts as to why this happened.
> > > I didn't receive any errors on screen.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Thomas Ward" <tward@bright.net>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 3:54 PM
> > > Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi, Ed. Well, I would suggest Red Hat 7.2 myself. If you have access to a
> > > high speed internet connection, and a cdrom burner there is a version of
> > Red
> > > Hat 7.2 on the Linux Speakup site that has Speakup already built in. It
> > has
> > > boot disks to help you with a self voicing install, etc.
> > > Red Hat was my first distribution, and still is my favorite distribution.
> > > Fpor newbies it has quite a lot to offer. The sound configuration tools,
> > > kudzu hardware maniger, and other configuration tools to help you get it
> > > going.
> > >
> > > Your partitioning sounds good. It would be a vary good idea to put /home
> > on
> > > /dev/hdb.  I will leave it up to others to give specifics on partitioning
> > > they use.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Ed Barnes <ed.barnes@janus.northatlantic.nf.ca>
> > > To: linux speakup listserve <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 11:22 AM
> > > Subject: choosing a distro and version
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi again folks, hope nobody is sick of hearing from me yet, if so, I'm
> > > > sorry.
> > > > nevertheless, I was looking at the speakup web site, in particular
> > > available
> > > > information on Debian and Red Hat Linux distroes.
> > > > I am debating choosing to setup either a Debian or a Red Hat system as
> > my
> > > > first Linux system
> > > > I have spoken with some Linux users locally and the general consensus
> > from
> > > > those who have used both distroes is that for a first-timer Red Hat
> > might
> > > be
> > > > an easier setup and that after I have successfully conquered setting up
> > a
> > > > Red Hat box I would have enough skill to conquer setup of Debian and/or
> > > > Slackware as desired.
> > > > Any thoughts?
> > > > The system which I was planning to use and dedicate to setting up Linux
> > as
> > > > its only operating system is a Pentium II 233 MHZ w 64 mb of ram and two
> > > > HDs, it has a sound blaster pro sound card, and it will have a Symbios
> > > Logic
> > > > pci video adapter or an Sys chip set based AGP though I am leaning
> > toward
> > > > using the AGP so as to be able to use the extra pci slot for something
> > > more
> > > > practical like one of the nics.
> > > > I know that I should create a min of three partitions, /home, /root, and
> > a
> > > > swap partition.
> > > > I have rough ideas of how big I want these partitions to be based on
> > what
> > > I
> > > > wish to do with the server from a functional point of view.
> > > > The two HDs are 1.6 gb and 2 gb in size respectively.
> > > > From a point of view of incorporating some level of fault tolerance in
> > the
> > > > system I was thinking the root partition and the swap partition should
> > go
> > > on
> > > > /dev/hda and the home partition should go on /dev/hdb.
> > > >         This would make system backup more convenient as I would only
> > have
> > > > to backup the /dev/hdb drive to save user data.
> > > > In the event that I do anything to cause the kernel to blow up I could
> > > > simply flatten /dev/hda and re-install it and re-create the user
> > accounts
> > > > whose data is still stored on /dev/hdb and or my backups.
> > > >   I was figuring that I would optimize hd space usage by using the 2 gb
> > > > drive as /dev/hda and use the 1.6 gb as /dev/hdb as I don't estimate
> > that
> > > my
> > > > system would have any more than 2 too 5 users, root, an user account,
> > for
> > > > myself, and one too three accounts that I might create to facilitate my
> > > own
> > > > fooling around and attempting to learn more about Linux aside from the
> > > > accounts which some Linux services, processes create after they are
> > > compiled
> > > > into the kernel and started.
> > > > I was also thinking of putting a min of two nics into the system so it
> > > could
> > > > be used to store a dynamic routing table for dns and create an ip subnet
> > > > mask so though I am paying for only one ip through my cable internet
> > > service
> > > > provider all the machines I have at home could both access the internet
> > > and
> > > > be accessed from the internet by me.
> > > > I know that steps to create an ip subnet mask and setup dns are well
> > > > documented at linuxdoc.org and I enjoy reading tech docs as required so
> > I
> > > > won't bor you guys with questions that have already been answered
> > > elsewhere.
> > > > I have read the readme files pertaining to speakup when it is installed
> > > with
> > > > both Red Hat 7 and 7.2 respectively and I already have copies of both
> > > > versions gotten directly from a Red Hat mirror.
> > > > Due to the fact that easy-to-use boot disk images are available for 7.0
> > > and
> > > > I don't need to modify any software which I already have other than
> > > > downloading the appropriate boot image and using rawrite to copy it to
> > > > floppy it seems that this would be the best distro to choose in my case.
> > > > In reading the speakup-related readme for Red Hat 7.2 it seems that I
> > > would
> > > > have to radically alter the CDs I already have to make it work with
> > > speakup
> > > > and I don't really want the extra work at the moment.
> > > > Lastly, for synths I have two Accents, a pc and an sa, a transport, and
> > a
> > > > BNS.
> > > > From the collective experience of others, is there one which is easier
> > to
> > > > get talking or which works better than any of the others given the ones
> > I
> > > > have available to me or is it just a question of me choosing the one I
> > > like
> > > > to listen to the most and choosing to use it over any of the others.
> > > >
> > > > In closing, thanks for reading, I'd appreciate any thoughts on what I've
> > > > written and guidance as to whether I am hitting a home run or if I am
> > very
> > > > much out in left field so to speak.
> > > > Any and all opinions welcome either sent to the listserve or to me
> > > directly
> > > > using either ed.barnes@janus.northatlantic.nf.ca or ebarnes@superweb.ca.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > 
> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > 
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> 
> -- 
> 	
> 				Janina Sajka, Director
> 				Technology Research and Development
> 				Governmental Relations Group
> 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> 
> Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
> 
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: choosing a distro and version

[Alex Snow]

Ed,
Wich speach synth are you using? I just cant seem to get my Braille Lite to
work, and that's the only thing I got (until tuxtalk is ready). Do you have
any ideas? I called tec support and they gave me all the dumb ass solutions
like "is your cable hooked up?
Thanks in advance,
Alex Snow
P.S. what kind of system are you using? I'm using a 1 gig amd box with 128
megs of ram and thirty gigs of disk
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Barnes" <ed.barnes@janus.northatlantic.nf.ca>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version


> Hi Alex.
> Thanks for writing.
> I would actually prefer to go with a system that is not a dual boot
because
> I hate dual boots unless they are the *only* option so I will be running
the
> system on a system dedicated to Linux only.
> I also want the challenges of configuring the system as someone who will
be
> graduating from an I.T. program in May.
> I feel the little introduction we received with regard to Linux totally
> missed the boat so to speak so I want to teach myself all I can.
> I am going to go Red Hat because there are more users of that distro
locally
> so I figure should I do anything to totally mess up my machine I'll have
> more help sources around here should I need to avail of them.
> Thanks and have a nice day.
> Ed Barnes
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 9:23 AM
> Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version
>
>
> Hi Ed,
> I am a first-time linux user and have a piece of advice: If you haven't
used
> linux befor, download "zipspeak" from
> ftp://linux-speakup.org/pub/speakup/disks/slackware/zipspeak/zipspeak.zip
> It's a preconfigured slackware that will run from a fat partition.  I'd
> suggest it for people who are new to linux.  It is pretty easy to setup
and
> I know how to set it up.  Also it's author is very helpfull.
> Hope this helps
> Alex Snow
> P.S.  I am working on a red hat version of zipspeak.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: choosing a distro and version

[Gregory Nowak]

Have you confirmed that your blt works from DOS or windows?
Greg


On Sat, Feb 23, 2002 at 06:52:50PM -0500, Alex Snow wrote:
> Ed,
> Wich speach synth are you using? I just cant seem to get my Braille Lite to
> work, and that's the only thing I got (until tuxtalk is ready). Do you have
> any ideas? I called tec support and they gave me all the dumb ass solutions
> like "is your cable hooked up?
> Thanks in advance,
> Alex Snow
> P.S. what kind of system are you using? I'm using a 1 gig amd box with 128
> megs of ram and thirty gigs of disk
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ed Barnes" <ed.barnes@janus.northatlantic.nf.ca>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 12:01 PM
> Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version
> 
> 
> > Hi Alex.
> > Thanks for writing.
> > I would actually prefer to go with a system that is not a dual boot
> because
> > I hate dual boots unless they are the *only* option so I will be running
> the
> > system on a system dedicated to Linux only.
> > I also want the challenges of configuring the system as someone who will
> be
> > graduating from an I.T. program in May.
> > I feel the little introduction we received with regard to Linux totally
> > missed the boat so to speak so I want to teach myself all I can.
> > I am going to go Red Hat because there are more users of that distro
> locally
> > so I figure should I do anything to totally mess up my machine I'll have
> > more help sources around here should I need to avail of them.
> > Thanks and have a nice day.
> > Ed Barnes
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 9:23 AM
> > Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version
> >
> >
> > Hi Ed,
> > I am a first-time linux user and have a piece of advice: If you haven't
> used
> > linux befor, download "zipspeak" from
> > ftp://linux-speakup.org/pub/speakup/disks/slackware/zipspeak/zipspeak.zip
> > It's a preconfigured slackware that will run from a fat partition.  I'd
> > suggest it for people who are new to linux.  It is pretty easy to setup
> and
> > I know how to set it up.  Also it's author is very helpfull.
> > Hope this helps
> > Alex Snow
> > P.S.  I am working on a red hat version of zipspeak.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: choosing a distro and version

[Alex Snow]

I use the ftp client that is in ie 5.5.  The only time it got me really
pissed was when it crapped out when I downloaded debian for a friend.  Why
he wanted debian, I don't know.
Also cute ftp crashes my windows me box.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Barnes" <ed.barnes@janus.northatlantic.nf.ca>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version


> Hi janina, I eventually successfully downloaded the images with no
problems,
> the main reason I don't usually use programs which support download
> resumption is because I am now on cable and if I am downloading isoes and
> such I usually set them to start before I go to bed here at home and if it
> craps out it's no big deal, I just re-start it when I leave for school in
> the mornings.
> I also don't like Cute FTP, it's a question of personal preference in this
> case, and it was the only client I bothered to familiarize myself with
when
> it comes to Windows-based anything in the ftp client arena.
> I usually use ftp from the Windows DOS-box, the only thing I find
> challenging, and I would guess others probably find this to be so
> irregardless what command line utility they are using is remembering long
> file names because they are becoming more and more common.
> I downloaded Ncftp but haven't tested it out.
>
> Thanks Janina and have a good week-end.
> Ed Barnes
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 1:38 PM
> Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version
>
>
> Two points:
>
> 1.) You should be dlwonloading from linux-speakup.org, and nowhere
> else. Any other address you may have been given is now old news. Though
> well-meaning people will still give out other addresses, this is now the
> one to use, and the one that will stay for the forseeable future.
>
> Using http, goto:
>
> http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/redhat/images/
>
> Or, use anonymous ftp at ftp.linux-speakup.org and cd to
> pub/speakup/disks/redhat/images.
>
> 2.) If at all possible, use some kind of download software that
> supports resuming an interrupted download. As you're discovering, this can
> be an invaluable feature. ncftp for windows is one such client:
>
> ftp://ftp.ncftp.com/ncftp/binaries/ncftp-3.1.2-win32.exe
>
> There are others, such as CuteFTP at:
>
> http://www.globalscape.com/download/index.shtml
>
>
> On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, Ed Barnes wrote:
>
> > Hi Thomas, I have all of the above, fast network connection, fast cdrw
> > drive, etc, however; I discovered the red hat 7.2 cd images including
> > speakup in the red hat site at linux-speakup and both times I tried
> > downloading disk 1 of the i386 iso images both transfers died at about
the
> > 60 mb point, anyone have any thoughts as to why this happened.
> > I didn't receive any errors on screen.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Thomas Ward" <tward@bright.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 3:54 PM
> > Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version
> >
> >
> > Hi, Ed. Well, I would suggest Red Hat 7.2 myself. If you have access to
a
> > high speed internet connection, and a cdrom burner there is a version of
> Red
> > Hat 7.2 on the Linux Speakup site that has Speakup already built in. It
> has
> > boot disks to help you with a self voicing install, etc.
> > Red Hat was my first distribution, and still is my favorite
distribution.
> > Fpor newbies it has quite a lot to offer. The sound configuration tools,
> > kudzu hardware maniger, and other configuration tools to help you get it
> > going.
> >
> > Your partitioning sounds good. It would be a vary good idea to put /home
> on
> > /dev/hdb.  I will leave it up to others to give specifics on
partitioning
> > they use.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ed Barnes <ed.barnes@janus.northatlantic.nf.ca>
> > To: linux speakup listserve <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 11:22 AM
> > Subject: choosing a distro and version
> >
> >
> > > Hi again folks, hope nobody is sick of hearing from me yet, if so, I'm
> > > sorry.
> > > nevertheless, I was looking at the speakup web site, in particular
> > available
> > > information on Debian and Red Hat Linux distroes.
> > > I am debating choosing to setup either a Debian or a Red Hat system as
> my
> > > first Linux system
> > > I have spoken with some Linux users locally and the general consensus
> from
> > > those who have used both distroes is that for a first-timer Red Hat
> might
> > be
> > > an easier setup and that after I have successfully conquered setting
up
> a
> > > Red Hat box I would have enough skill to conquer setup of Debian
and/or
> > > Slackware as desired.
> > > Any thoughts?
> > > The system which I was planning to use and dedicate to setting up
Linux
> as
> > > its only operating system is a Pentium II 233 MHZ w 64 mb of ram and
two
> > > HDs, it has a sound blaster pro sound card, and it will have a Symbios
> > Logic
> > > pci video adapter or an Sys chip set based AGP though I am leaning
> toward
> > > using the AGP so as to be able to use the extra pci slot for something
> > more
> > > practical like one of the nics.
> > > I know that I should create a min of three partitions, /home, /root,
and
> a
> > > swap partition.
> > > I have rough ideas of how big I want these partitions to be based on
> what
> > I
> > > wish to do with the server from a functional point of view.
> > > The two HDs are 1.6 gb and 2 gb in size respectively.
> > > From a point of view of incorporating some level of fault tolerance in
> the
> > > system I was thinking the root partition and the swap partition should
> go
> > on
> > > /dev/hda and the home partition should go on /dev/hdb.
> > >         This would make system backup more convenient as I would only
> have
> > > to backup the /dev/hdb drive to save user data.
> > > In the event that I do anything to cause the kernel to blow up I could
> > > simply flatten /dev/hda and re-install it and re-create the user
> accounts
> > > whose data is still stored on /dev/hdb and or my backups.
> > >   I was figuring that I would optimize hd space usage by using the 2
gb
> > > drive as /dev/hda and use the 1.6 gb as /dev/hdb as I don't estimate
> that
> > my
> > > system would have any more than 2 too 5 users, root, an user account,
> for
> > > myself, and one too three accounts that I might create to facilitate
my
> > own
> > > fooling around and attempting to learn more about Linux aside from the
> > > accounts which some Linux services, processes create after they are
> > compiled
> > > into the kernel and started.
> > > I was also thinking of putting a min of two nics into the system so it
> > could
> > > be used to store a dynamic routing table for dns and create an ip
subnet
> > > mask so though I am paying for only one ip through my cable internet
> > service
> > > provider all the machines I have at home could both access the
internet
> > and
> > > be accessed from the internet by me.
> > > I know that steps to create an ip subnet mask and setup dns are well
> > > documented at linuxdoc.org and I enjoy reading tech docs as required
so
> I
> > > won't bor you guys with questions that have already been answered
> > elsewhere.
> > > I have read the readme files pertaining to speakup when it is
installed
> > with
> > > both Red Hat 7 and 7.2 respectively and I already have copies of both
> > > versions gotten directly from a Red Hat mirror.
> > > Due to the fact that easy-to-use boot disk images are available for
7.0
> > and
> > > I don't need to modify any software which I already have other than
> > > downloading the appropriate boot image and using rawrite to copy it to
> > > floppy it seems that this would be the best distro to choose in my
case.
> > > In reading the speakup-related readme for Red Hat 7.2 it seems that I
> > would
> > > have to radically alter the CDs I already have to make it work with
> > speakup
> > > and I don't really want the extra work at the moment.
> > > Lastly, for synths I have two Accents, a pc and an sa, a transport,
and
> a
> > > BNS.
> > > From the collective experience of others, is there one which is easier
> to
> > > get talking or which works better than any of the others given the
ones
> I
> > > have available to me or is it just a question of me choosing the one I
> > like
> > > to listen to the most and choosing to use it over any of the others.
> > >
> > > In closing, thanks for reading, I'd appreciate any thoughts on what
I've
> > > written and guidance as to whether I am hitting a home run or if I am
> very
> > > much out in left field so to speak.
> > > Any and all opinions welcome either sent to the listserve or to me
> > directly
> > > using either ed.barnes@janus.northatlantic.nf.ca or
ebarnes@superweb.ca.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

O/T Win ME and Cute FTP -- was choosing a version and distro

[Ed Barnes]

Hi Alex,
I have used MsIE 5.5's ftp facility though I prefer the command line one
from a DOS box.
I am not just saying this because I am not on Bill gate's Xmas card list or
anything, but given the fact that ME itself isn't one of Ms's better
versions of Windows, that is if there's such a thing as a good version of
Windows, I'd say it isn't Cute FTP that crashes your system or that causes
it but rather it's ME itself that just happens because you use ME as your
operating system.
I am of the personal opinion that if a machine has enough ram and processor
power to run ME nicely that unless its users want to do any gaming why not
use 2000 Pro on it as it has more security features available.
Of course, if the users of that same pc are doing any video graphics
intensive gaming, then ME/98 is the best way to go.
Nevertheless, this in-depth discussion of Winblows is off topic for this
list so Alex if you'd like to discuss it further feel free to e-mail me
directly as opposed to sending to the list by writing to:
ed.barnes@janus.northatlantic.nf.ca.

Ed Barnes


----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version


I use the ftp client that is in ie 5.5.  The only time it got me really
pissed was when it crapped out when I downloaded debian for a friend.  Why
he wanted debian, I don't know.
Also cute ftp crashes my windows me box.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Barnes" <ed.barnes@janus.northatlantic.nf.ca>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version


> Hi janina, I eventually successfully downloaded the images with no
problems,
> the main reason I don't usually use programs which support download
> resumption is because I am now on cable and if I am downloading isoes and
> such I usually set them to start before I go to bed here at home and if it
> craps out it's no big deal, I just re-start it when I leave for school in
> the mornings.
> I also don't like Cute FTP, it's a question of personal preference in this
> case, and it was the only client I bothered to familiarize myself with
when
> it comes to Windows-based anything in the ftp client arena.
> I usually use ftp from the Windows DOS-box, the only thing I find
> challenging, and I would guess others probably find this to be so
> irregardless what command line utility they are using is remembering long
> file names because they are becoming more and more common.
> I downloaded Ncftp but haven't tested it out.
>
> Thanks Janina and have a good week-end.
> Ed Barnes
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 1:38 PM
> Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version
>
>
> Two points:
>
> 1.) You should be dlwonloading from linux-speakup.org, and nowhere
> else. Any other address you may have been given is now old news. Though
> well-meaning people will still give out other addresses, this is now the
> one to use, and the one that will stay for the forseeable future.
>
> Using http, goto:
>
> http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/redhat/images/
>
> Or, use anonymous ftp at ftp.linux-speakup.org and cd to
> pub/speakup/disks/redhat/images.
>
> 2.) If at all possible, use some kind of download software that
> supports resuming an interrupted download. As you're discovering, this can
> be an invaluable feature. ncftp for windows is one such client:
>
> ftp://ftp.ncftp.com/ncftp/binaries/ncftp-3.1.2-win32.exe
>
> There are others, such as CuteFTP at:
>
> http://www.globalscape.com/download/index.shtml
>
>
> On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, Ed Barnes wrote:
>
> > Hi Thomas, I have all of the above, fast network connection, fast cdrw
> > drive, etc, however; I discovered the red hat 7.2 cd images including
> > speakup in the red hat site at linux-speakup and both times I tried
> > downloading disk 1 of the i386 iso images both transfers died at about
the
> > 60 mb point, anyone have any thoughts as to why this happened.
> > I didn't receive any errors on screen.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Thomas Ward" <tward@bright.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 3:54 PM
> > Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version
> >
> >
> > Hi, Ed. Well, I would suggest Red Hat 7.2 myself. If you have access to
a
> > high speed internet connection, and a cdrom burner there is a version of
> Red
> > Hat 7.2 on the Linux Speakup site that has Speakup already built in. It
> has
> > boot disks to help you with a self voicing install, etc.
> > Red Hat was my first distribution, and still is my favorite
distribution.
> > Fpor newbies it has quite a lot to offer. The sound configuration tools,
> > kudzu hardware maniger, and other configuration tools to help you get it
> > going.
> >
> > Your partitioning sounds good. It would be a vary good idea to put /home
> on
> > /dev/hdb.  I will leave it up to others to give specifics on
partitioning
> > they use.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ed Barnes <ed.barnes@janus.northatlantic.nf.ca>
> > To: linux speakup listserve <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 11:22 AM
> > Subject: choosing a distro and version
> >
> >
> > > Hi again folks, hope nobody is sick of hearing from me yet, if so, I'm
> > > sorry.
> > > nevertheless, I was looking at the speakup web site, in particular
> > available
> > > information on Debian and Red Hat Linux distroes.
> > > I am debating choosing to setup either a Debian or a Red Hat system as
> my
> > > first Linux system
> > > I have spoken with some Linux users locally and the general consensus
> from
> > > those who have used both distroes is that for a first-timer Red Hat
> might
> > be
> > > an easier setup and that after I have successfully conquered setting
up
> a
> > > Red Hat box I would have enough skill to conquer setup of Debian
and/or
> > > Slackware as desired.
> > > Any thoughts?
> > > The system which I was planning to use and dedicate to setting up
Linux
> as
> > > its only operating system is a Pentium II 233 MHZ w 64 mb of ram and
two
> > > HDs, it has a sound blaster pro sound card, and it will have a Symbios
> > Logic
> > > pci video adapter or an Sys chip set based AGP though I am leaning
> toward
> > > using the AGP so as to be able to use the extra pci slot for something
> > more
> > > practical like one of the nics.
> > > I know that I should create a min of three partitions, /home, /root,
and
> a
> > > swap partition.
> > > I have rough ideas of how big I want these partitions to be based on
> what
> > I
> > > wish to do with the server from a functional point of view.
> > > The two HDs are 1.6 gb and 2 gb in size respectively.
> > > From a point of view of incorporating some level of fault tolerance in
> the
> > > system I was thinking the root partition and the swap partition should
> go
> > on
> > > /dev/hda and the home partition should go on /dev/hdb.
> > >         This would make system backup more convenient as I would only
> have
> > > to backup the /dev/hdb drive to save user data.
> > > In the event that I do anything to cause the kernel to blow up I could
> > > simply flatten /dev/hda and re-install it and re-create the user
> accounts
> > > whose data is still stored on /dev/hdb and or my backups.
> > >   I was figuring that I would optimize hd space usage by using the 2
gb
> > > drive as /dev/hda and use the 1.6 gb as /dev/hdb as I don't estimate
> that
> > my
> > > system would have any more than 2 too 5 users, root, an user account,
> for
> > > myself, and one too three accounts that I might create to facilitate
my
> > own
> > > fooling around and attempting to learn more about Linux aside from the
> > > accounts which some Linux services, processes create after they are
> > compiled
> > > into the kernel and started.
> > > I was also thinking of putting a min of two nics into the system so it
> > could
> > > be used to store a dynamic routing table for dns and create an ip
subnet
> > > mask so though I am paying for only one ip through my cable internet
> > service
> > > provider all the machines I have at home could both access the
internet
> > and
> > > be accessed from the internet by me.
> > > I know that steps to create an ip subnet mask and setup dns are well
> > > documented at linuxdoc.org and I enjoy reading tech docs as required
so
> I
> > > won't bor you guys with questions that have already been answered
> > elsewhere.
> > > I have read the readme files pertaining to speakup when it is
installed
> > with
> > > both Red Hat 7 and 7.2 respectively and I already have copies of both
> > > versions gotten directly from a Red Hat mirror.
> > > Due to the fact that easy-to-use boot disk images are available for
7.0
> > and
> > > I don't need to modify any software which I already have other than
> > > downloading the appropriate boot image and using rawrite to copy it to
> > > floppy it seems that this would be the best distro to choose in my
case.
> > > In reading the speakup-related readme for Red Hat 7.2 it seems that I
> > would
> > > have to radically alter the CDs I already have to make it work with
> > speakup
> > > and I don't really want the extra work at the moment.
> > > Lastly, for synths I have two Accents, a pc and an sa, a transport,
and
> a
> > > BNS.
> > > From the collective experience of others, is there one which is easier
> to
> > > get talking or which works better than any of the others given the
ones
> I
> > > have available to me or is it just a question of me choosing the one I
> > like
> > > to listen to the most and choosing to use it over any of the others.
> > >
> > > In closing, thanks for reading, I'd appreciate any thoughts on what
I've
> > > written and guidance as to whether I am hitting a home run or if I am
> very
> > > much out in left field so to speak.
> > > Any and all opinions welcome either sent to the listserve or to me
> > directly
> > > using either ed.barnes@janus.northatlantic.nf.ca or
ebarnes@superweb.ca.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>


_______________________________________________
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Partitioning -- was Re: choosing a distro and version

[Ed Barnes]

Janina and list.
I am learning more and more from this list as I write to it and read the
messages of others and I should add that I am thoroughally enjoying
participating.
Guess the fact that I am a bit of a computer nird might have something to do
with it in a sense because I spend hours and hours fooling around at
computer stuff outside of what school requires just because I enjoy it as a
hobby.
Nevertheless, yes Janina I did forget the ned for a /usr partition.
Regarding putting the swap partition on /dev/hda1, I found it a little odd
that you were commenting on this as I couldn't remember writing that in the
original message.
     I actually didn't or didn't intend to write it that way but I've looked
at the message that you would have received late last night and that is what
you saw when you read the message so it makes some sense now.
 I have a touchpad on my notebook which I've not yet disabled and sometimes
if my palm hits it as I type and I don't realize it my messages end up as a
bit of a jumble and things are miss-aligned.
The pointer that you use a / partition of 256 mb approx and that I could get
away with 400 mb or so is invaluable.
This drastically changes things, but it is change for the better.
After reading your note I am wondering if a partition scheme such as the
following would be more appropriate? Once again I'm planning on installing
the modified Red Hat 7.2 on a Pentium II 233 mhz w 64 mb of ram. Any and all
thoughts welcome folks.
/dev/hda is a 2 gb hd
/dev/hda1
/ partition 400 mb
/dev/hda2
/usr partition 1 gb (I don't plan on installing anything from x)
/dev/hda3
/var 600 mb (very limitted mail and web and dns server capability)
/dev/hdb is a 1.6 gb hard disk
/dev/hdb1
swap partition of size 200 mb
/dev/hdb2
/tmp 400 mb
/dev/hdb3
/home remaining space on hard disk
Many thanks to all in advance.
Ed Barnes

----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version


I don't know about the wisdom of putting swap in hda1. Sounds unusual to
me, put I don't know that there's actually anything wrong with that. I
just have never seen that.

Also, it's not your /root -- but your / partition which is the root. 1.5
gB is undoubtedly large--try 500 mB or even less. I get away with about
256 mB these days. Essentially, make this bigger if it includes /var, and
less if /var is a separate partition, and less if /var will have
relatively little to do--no ftp, no web, only your mail, etc.

Your note does not speak of /usr. That is very important, and will take at
least 1 gB if you install nothing from X, and about 3.5 gB if you install
everything in the RH 7.2 distribution.

My advice is to let diskdruid figure out where to put things. It's good at
that. Just specify the sizes and mount points. The term "Mount points," by
the way,  is linux speak for things like /, and /usr, and /home, etc.

Re: choosing a distro and version

[Thomas Ward]

Hi, try using the Braille LT as a bns, and use the BNS speech driver in
speakup.

----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Snow <alex_snow@gmx.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version


> Ed,
> Wich speach synth are you using? I just cant seem to get my Braille Lite
to
> work, and that's the only thing I got (until tuxtalk is ready). Do you
have
> any ideas? I called tec support and they gave me all the dumb ass
solutions
> like "is your cable hooked up?
> Thanks in advance,
> Alex Snow
> P.S. what kind of system are you using? I'm using a 1 gig amd box with 128
> megs of ram and thirty gigs of disk
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ed Barnes" <ed.barnes@janus.northatlantic.nf.ca>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 12:01 PM
> Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version
>
>
> > Hi Alex.
> > Thanks for writing.
> > I would actually prefer to go with a system that is not a dual boot
> because
> > I hate dual boots unless they are the *only* option so I will be running
> the
> > system on a system dedicated to Linux only.
> > I also want the challenges of configuring the system as someone who will
> be
> > graduating from an I.T. program in May.
> > I feel the little introduction we received with regard to Linux totally
> > missed the boat so to speak so I want to teach myself all I can.
> > I am going to go Red Hat because there are more users of that distro
> locally
> > so I figure should I do anything to totally mess up my machine I'll have
> > more help sources around here should I need to avail of them.
> > Thanks and have a nice day.
> > Ed Barnes
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 9:23 AM
> > Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version
> >
> >
> > Hi Ed,
> > I am a first-time linux user and have a piece of advice: If you haven't
> used
> > linux befor, download "zipspeak" from
> >
ftp://linux-speakup.org/pub/speakup/disks/slackware/zipspeak/zipspeak.zip
> > It's a preconfigured slackware that will run from a fat partition.  I'd
> > suggest it for people who are new to linux.  It is pretty easy to setup
> and
> > I know how to set it up.  Also it's author is very helpfull.
> > Hope this helps
> > Alex Snow
> > P.S.  I am working on a red hat version of zipspeak.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
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>

Re: choosing a distro and version

[charles crawford]

Ed,

	Great!  Did you know that Phil Strong is working fro ACB and
he's going back to newfoundland next week?  Do you know him?

-- charlie Crawford.

ps: Sorry for posting this to the list and will do private next time.
On
Sat, 23 Feb
2002, Ed Barnes wrote:

> Charlie, I got the three images I needed late last night despite my problems
> downloading the first cd earlier in the evening.
> Thanks.
> Ed
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "charles crawford" <ccrawford@acb.org>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 11:55 AM
> Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version
>
>
> Ed,
>
> Downloading from the redhat site is less produtive than less
> trafficed ones.  You should have beter luck from the speakup site.
>
> -- charlie Crawford.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Partitioning -- was Re: choosing a distro and version

[Alex Snow]

I'm thinking of putting red hat on a machine along with another operating
system.  I just need to know what is a good partitioning program that will
work with a screen reader.
Any help is welcome!
Thanks in advance
Alex Snow

Re: choosing a distro and version

[Alex Snow]

I'm using the blt as a bns, but how do I tell it what driver to use?

Re: Partitioning -- was Re: choosing a distro and version

[Igor Gueths]

Hi Alex. What operating system are you planning to have coexist with RedHat? Is it WinBlows lol? If you want a WinBlows partitioning program, I recommend partition magic. This program works pretty well with Jfw, and I would imagine WinEyes works well with  it too. If you want to know where to get it, just mail me off list and I can tell you how I got it anyway. 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Alex Snow <alex_snow@gmx.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: Partitioning -- was Re: choosing a distro and version


> I'm thinking of putting red hat on a machine along with another operating
> system.  I just need to know what is a good partitioning program that will
> work with a screen reader.
> Any help is welcome!
> Thanks in advance
> Alex Snow
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup


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Re: Partitioning -- was Re: choosing a distro and version

[Igor Gueths]

Sorry, forgot to include my e-mail address. Its igueths@yahoo.com. 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Alex Snow <alex_snow@gmx.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: Partitioning -- was Re: choosing a distro and version


> I'm thinking of putting red hat on a machine along with another operating
> system.  I just need to know what is a good partitioning program that will
> work with a screen reader.
> Any help is welcome!
> Thanks in advance
> Alex Snow
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup


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Re: choosing a distro and version

[Gregory Nowak]

I'm assuming that you have a kernel with the new speakup. In that case, at the lilo prompt right after the machine boots, and the floppy stopps spinning, do
speakup_synth=bns
and that should do it. If not, then after you type the string above on your next boot, add the following  string
speakup_ser=x
where x is 0 through 3 for com 1 through com4 respectively.

This is detailed in the speakup docs. I would strongly suggest reading them if you haven't done so already.
Greg


On Sun, Feb 24, 2002 at 08:55:05AM -0500, Alex Snow wrote:
> I'm using the blt as a bns, but how do I tell it what driver to use?
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Partitioning -- was Re: choosing a distro and version

[Janina Sajka]

Hi, Ed:

This looks much better to me. A couple of comments sill, however:



Ed Barnes writes:
> Janina and list.
> I am learning more and more from this list as I write to it and read the
> messages of others and I should add that I am thoroughally enjoying
> participating.
> Guess the fact that I am a bit of a computer nird might have something to do
> with it in a sense because I spend hours and hours fooling around at
> computer stuff outside of what school requires just because I enjoy it as a
> hobby.
> Nevertheless, yes Janina I did forget the ned for a /usr partition.
> Regarding putting the swap partition on /dev/hda1, I found it a little odd
> that you were commenting on this as I couldn't remember writing that in the
> original message.
>      I actually didn't or didn't intend to write it that way but I've looked
> at the message that you would have received late last night and that is what
> you saw when you read the message so it makes some sense now.
>  I have a touchpad on my notebook which I've not yet disabled and sometimes
> if my palm hits it as I type and I don't realize it my messages end up as a
> bit of a jumble and things are miss-aligned.
> The pointer that you use a / partition of 256 mb approx and that I could get
> away with 400 mb or so is invaluable.
> This drastically changes things, but it is change for the better.
> After reading your note I am wondering if a partition scheme such as the
> following would be more appropriate? Once again I'm planning on installing
> the modified Red Hat 7.2 on a Pentium II 233 mhz w 64 mb of ram. Any and all
> thoughts welcome folks.
> /dev/hda is a 2 gb hd
> /dev/hda1
> / partition 400 mb
> /dev/hda2
> /usr partition 1 gb (I don't plan on installing anything from x)
> /dev/hda3
> /var 600 mb (very limitted mail and web and dns server capability)
> /dev/hdb is a 1.6 gb hard disk
> /dev/hdb1
> swap partition of size 200 mb
> /dev/hdb2
> /tmp 400 mb
> /dev/hdb3
> /home remaining space on hard disk
> Many thanks to all in advance.
> Ed Barnes
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 2:03 PM
> Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version
> 
> 
> I don't know about the wisdom of putting swap in hda1. Sounds unusual to
> me, put I don't know that there's actually anything wrong with that. I
> just have never seen that.
> 
> Also, it's not your /root -- but your / partition which is the root. 1.5
> gB is undoubtedly large--try 500 mB or even less. I get away with about
> 256 mB these days. Essentially, make this bigger if it includes /var, and
> less if /var is a separate partition, and less if /var will have
> relatively little to do--no ftp, no web, only your mail, etc.
> 
> Your note does not speak of /usr. That is very important, and will take at
> least 1 gB if you install nothing from X, and about 3.5 gB if you install
> everything in the RH 7.2 distribution.
> 
> My advice is to let diskdruid figure out where to put things. It's good at
> that. Just specify the sizes and mount points. The term "Mount points," by
> the way,  is linux speak for things like /, and /usr, and /home, etc.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Re: Partitioning -- was Re: choosing a distro and version

[Janina Sajka]

Fdisk is very accessible. DiskDruid, which also comes with the Red Hat installer, works as well, though it's a bit tricky knowing where you are in it.

Alex Snow writes:
> I'm thinking of putting red hat on a machine along with another operating
> system.  I just need to know what is a good partitioning program that will
> work with a screen reader.
> Any help is welcome!
> Thanks in advance
> Alex Snow
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Re: Partitioning -- was Re: choosing a distro and version

[Ed Barnes]

Hi janina, I think your editional comments you referred too are missing, or
at least I am unable to find them. Thanks. Ed

----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: Partitioning -- was Re: choosing a distro and version


Hi, Ed:

This looks much better to me. A couple of comments sill, however:



Ed Barnes writes:
> Janina and list.
> I am learning more and more from this list as I write to it and read the
> messages of others and I should add that I am thoroughally enjoying
> participating.
> Guess the fact that I am a bit of a computer nird might have something to
do
> with it in a sense because I spend hours and hours fooling around at
> computer stuff outside of what school requires just because I enjoy it as
a
> hobby.
> Nevertheless, yes Janina I did forget the ned for a /usr partition.
> Regarding putting the swap partition on /dev/hda1, I found it a little odd
> that you were commenting on this as I couldn't remember writing that in
the
> original message.
>      I actually didn't or didn't intend to write it that way but I've
looked
> at the message that you would have received late last night and that is
what
> you saw when you read the message so it makes some sense now.
>  I have a touchpad on my notebook which I've not yet disabled and
sometimes
> if my palm hits it as I type and I don't realize it my messages end up as
a
> bit of a jumble and things are miss-aligned.
> The pointer that you use a / partition of 256 mb approx and that I could
get
> away with 400 mb or so is invaluable.
> This drastically changes things, but it is change for the better.
> After reading your note I am wondering if a partition scheme such as the
> following would be more appropriate? Once again I'm planning on installing
> the modified Red Hat 7.2 on a Pentium II 233 mhz w 64 mb of ram. Any and
all
> thoughts welcome folks.
> /dev/hda is a 2 gb hd
> /dev/hda1
> / partition 400 mb
> /dev/hda2
> /usr partition 1 gb (I don't plan on installing anything from x)
> /dev/hda3
> /var 600 mb (very limitted mail and web and dns server capability)
> /dev/hdb is a 1.6 gb hard disk
> /dev/hdb1
> swap partition of size 200 mb
> /dev/hdb2
> /tmp 400 mb
> /dev/hdb3
> /home remaining space on hard disk
> Many thanks to all in advance.
> Ed Barnes
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 2:03 PM
> Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version
>
>
> I don't know about the wisdom of putting swap in hda1. Sounds unusual to
> me, put I don't know that there's actually anything wrong with that. I
> just have never seen that.
>
> Also, it's not your /root -- but your / partition which is the root. 1.5
> gB is undoubtedly large--try 500 mB or even less. I get away with about
> 256 mB these days. Essentially, make this bigger if it includes /var, and
> less if /var is a separate partition, and less if /var will have
> relatively little to do--no ftp, no web, only your mail, etc.
>
> Your note does not speak of /usr. That is very important, and will take at
> least 1 gB if you install nothing from X, and about 3.5 gB if you install
> everything in the RH 7.2 distribution.
>
> My advice is to let diskdruid figure out where to put things. It's good at
> that. Just specify the sizes and mount points. The term "Mount points," by
> the way,  is linux speak for things like /, and /usr, and /home, etc.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

--

Janina Sajka, Director
Technology Research and Development
Governmental Relations Group
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

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Re: choosing a distro and version

[Ed Barnes]

Hi Charlie.
I do not know Phil Strong, where is he from in Newfoundland and what is he
doing in his work with the ACB.
Is he working as a part of an exchange down there or has he been there for a
while.
If you or Phil are wondering, I live in Harbour Grace in newfoundland, as a
point of reference my home town is about an hour or so from Saint John's,
the capital of Newfoundland.
Also ?Charlie, I don't closely guard my e-mail addresses or anything so if
Phil would like to contact me you can feel free to pass my e-mail address
along.
Have a good evening all.
Ed Barnes

----- Original Message -----
From: "charles crawford" <ccrawford@acb.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 7:00 AM
Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version


Ed,

Great!  Did you know that Phil Strong is working fro ACB and
he's going back to newfoundland next week?  Do you know him?

-- charlie Crawford.

ps: Sorry for posting this to the list and will do private next time.
On
Sat, 23 Feb
2002, Ed Barnes wrote:

> Charlie, I got the three images I needed late last night despite my
problems
> downloading the first cd earlier in the evening.
> Thanks.
> Ed
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "charles crawford" <ccrawford@acb.org>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 11:55 AM
> Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version
>
>
> Ed,
>
> Downloading from the redhat site is less produtive than less
> trafficed ones.  You should have beter luck from the speakup site.
>
> -- charlie Crawford.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>


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Re: Partitioning -- was Re: choosing a distro and version

[Janina Sajka]

Yes, they were missing, sorry about that. Playing around with unfamiliar 
software ...

Let me try this again ...

Since you're only using this linux computer for yourself, and since your 
hard drives are relatively small as these things are thought of today, I'd 
advise dumping the /var and /tmp partitions. The 400 mB you specified for 
/ is sufficient for / and /var and /tmp most probably. If anything on /var 
gets too large, which is unlikely, you can always move it to /home and 
create a symbolic link in /var--so you are not boxing yourself in by doing 
this.

I guess that if it were me, I'd want a bit more than 1 gB for /usr because 
I'd expect to play around with software. On Sun, 24 Feb 2002, Ed Barnes 
wrote:

> Hi janina, I think your editional comments you referred too are missing, or
> at least I am unable to find them. Thanks. Ed
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 3:03 PM
> Subject: Re: Partitioning -- was Re: choosing a distro and version
> 
> 
> Hi, Ed:
> 
> This looks much better to me. A couple of comments sill, however:
> 
> 
> 
> Ed Barnes writes:
> > Janina and list.
> > I am learning more and more from this list as I write to it and read the
> > messages of others and I should add that I am thoroughally enjoying
> > participating.
> > Guess the fact that I am a bit of a computer nird might have something to
> do
> > with it in a sense because I spend hours and hours fooling around at
> > computer stuff outside of what school requires just because I enjoy it as
> a
> > hobby.
> > Nevertheless, yes Janina I did forget the ned for a /usr partition.
> > Regarding putting the swap partition on /dev/hda1, I found it a little odd
> > that you were commenting on this as I couldn't remember writing that in
> the
> > original message.
> >      I actually didn't or didn't intend to write it that way but I've
> looked
> > at the message that you would have received late last night and that is
> what
> > you saw when you read the message so it makes some sense now.
> >  I have a touchpad on my notebook which I've not yet disabled and
> sometimes
> > if my palm hits it as I type and I don't realize it my messages end up as
> a
> > bit of a jumble and things are miss-aligned.
> > The pointer that you use a / partition of 256 mb approx and that I could
> get
> > away with 400 mb or so is invaluable.
> > This drastically changes things, but it is change for the better.
> > After reading your note I am wondering if a partition scheme such as the
> > following would be more appropriate? Once again I'm planning on installing
> > the modified Red Hat 7.2 on a Pentium II 233 mhz w 64 mb of ram. Any and
> all
> > thoughts welcome folks.
> > /dev/hda is a 2 gb hd
> > /dev/hda1
> > / partition 400 mb
> > /dev/hda2
> > /usr partition 1 gb (I don't plan on installing anything from x)
> > /dev/hda3
> > /var 600 mb (very limitted mail and web and dns server capability)
> > /dev/hdb is a 1.6 gb hard disk
> > /dev/hdb1
> > swap partition of size 200 mb
> > /dev/hdb2
> > /tmp 400 mb
> > /dev/hdb3
> > /home remaining space on hard disk
> > Many thanks to all in advance.
> > Ed Barnes
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 2:03 PM
> > Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version
> >
> >
> > I don't know about the wisdom of putting swap in hda1. Sounds unusual to
> > me, put I don't know that there's actually anything wrong with that. I
> > just have never seen that.
> >
> > Also, it's not your /root -- but your / partition which is the root. 1.5
> > gB is undoubtedly large--try 500 mB or even less. I get away with about
> > 256 mB these days. Essentially, make this bigger if it includes /var, and
> > less if /var is a separate partition, and less if /var will have
> > relatively little to do--no ftp, no web, only your mail, etc.
> >
> > Your note does not speak of /usr. That is very important, and will take at
> > least 1 gB if you install nothing from X, and about 3.5 gB if you install
> > everything in the RH 7.2 distribution.
> >
> > My advice is to let diskdruid figure out where to put things. It's good at
> > that. Just specify the sizes and mount points. The term "Mount points," by
> > the way,  is linux speak for things like /, and /usr, and /home, etc.
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> --
> 
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> 
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> 
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Re: Partitioning -- was Re: choosing a distro and version

[Ed Barnes]

Janina, just one thing to add to your suggestion of dumping the /tmp and
/var partitions.
I was of the understanding that files relating to dns services resided
somewhere under /var and I did want to have a dns service running so I could
access my other machines on my little hobby network here at home from the
internet.
Also, I don't imagine that those two small hard drives will be residing in
my Linux computer for ever as the only game in town so to speak, I am
planning to buy a 20 or a 40 for my main system which is a Windows box,
remove the 12 gb from the Windows box of course, and stick it in the Linux
box so itwould then have three.
As the edition of a 12 gb would change the complection of the system in a
radical sense I undoubtedly would flatten the two smaller hard drives and
re-install everything to fully take advantage of the fact that I would have
a great deal more storage space.
I'd imagine my Linux system with only two hard drives in it will only be up
for a couple of weeks before I have bought the new drive, however; I figure
that what I have is decent to learn from in the beginning and I'd guess
whatever software I could fit in a 1 gb /usr partition would be enough to
occupy my thirst to learn Linux until I add the larger drive.
Thanks for sending the extra info and good luck with the new software you
were playing with.
Ed Barnes

----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: Partitioning -- was Re: choosing a distro and version


Yes, they were missing, sorry about that. Playing around with unfamiliar
software ...

Let me try this again ...

Since you're only using this linux computer for yourself, and since your
hard drives are relatively small as these things are thought of today, I'd
advise dumping the /var and /tmp partitions. The 400 mB you specified for
/ is sufficient for / and /var and /tmp most probably. If anything on /var
gets too large, which is unlikely, you can always move it to /home and
create a symbolic link in /var--so you are not boxing yourself in by doing
this.

I guess that if it were me, I'd want a bit more than 1 gB for /usr because
I'd expect to play around with software. On Sun, 24 Feb 2002, Ed Barnes
wrote:

> Hi janina, I think your editional comments you referred too are missing,
or
> at least I am unable to find them. Thanks. Ed
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 3:03 PM
> Subject: Re: Partitioning -- was Re: choosing a distro and version
>
>
> Hi, Ed:
>
> This looks much better to me. A couple of comments sill, however:
>
>
>
> Ed Barnes writes:
> > Janina and list.
> > I am learning more and more from this list as I write to it and read the
> > messages of others and I should add that I am thoroughally enjoying
> > participating.
> > Guess the fact that I am a bit of a computer nird might have something
to
> do
> > with it in a sense because I spend hours and hours fooling around at
> > computer stuff outside of what school requires just because I enjoy it
as
> a
> > hobby.
> > Nevertheless, yes Janina I did forget the ned for a /usr partition.
> > Regarding putting the swap partition on /dev/hda1, I found it a little
odd
> > that you were commenting on this as I couldn't remember writing that in
> the
> > original message.
> >      I actually didn't or didn't intend to write it that way but I've
> looked
> > at the message that you would have received late last night and that is
> what
> > you saw when you read the message so it makes some sense now.
> >  I have a touchpad on my notebook which I've not yet disabled and
> sometimes
> > if my palm hits it as I type and I don't realize it my messages end up
as
> a
> > bit of a jumble and things are miss-aligned.
> > The pointer that you use a / partition of 256 mb approx and that I could
> get
> > away with 400 mb or so is invaluable.
> > This drastically changes things, but it is change for the better.
> > After reading your note I am wondering if a partition scheme such as the
> > following would be more appropriate? Once again I'm planning on
installing
> > the modified Red Hat 7.2 on a Pentium II 233 mhz w 64 mb of ram. Any and
> all
> > thoughts welcome folks.
> > /dev/hda is a 2 gb hd
> > /dev/hda1
> > / partition 400 mb
> > /dev/hda2
> > /usr partition 1 gb (I don't plan on installing anything from x)
> > /dev/hda3
> > /var 600 mb (very limitted mail and web and dns server capability)
> > /dev/hdb is a 1.6 gb hard disk
> > /dev/hdb1
> > swap partition of size 200 mb
> > /dev/hdb2
> > /tmp 400 mb
> > /dev/hdb3
> > /home remaining space on hard disk
> > Many thanks to all in advance.
> > Ed Barnes
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 2:03 PM
> > Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version
> >
> >
> > I don't know about the wisdom of putting swap in hda1. Sounds unusual to
> > me, put I don't know that there's actually anything wrong with that. I
> > just have never seen that.
> >
> > Also, it's not your /root -- but your / partition which is the root. 1.5
> > gB is undoubtedly large--try 500 mB or even less. I get away with about
> > 256 mB these days. Essentially, make this bigger if it includes /var,
and
> > less if /var is a separate partition, and less if /var will have
> > relatively little to do--no ftp, no web, only your mail, etc.
> >
> > Your note does not speak of /usr. That is very important, and will take
at
> > least 1 gB if you install nothing from X, and about 3.5 gB if you
install
> > everything in the RH 7.2 distribution.
> >
> > My advice is to let diskdruid figure out where to put things. It's good
at
> > that. Just specify the sizes and mount points. The term "Mount points,"
by
> > the way,  is linux speak for things like /, and /usr, and /home, etc.
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> --
>
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> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>
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American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
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Re: Partitioning -- was Re: choosing a distro and version

[Janina Sajka]

Well, this is good, Ed. The best part is the realization  that you will 
reinstall in the near future. In fact, you may find that you do a fair 
amount of installing before you develop your own "style" as it were.

The point is not that you should have /var and /tmp. Of course you should, 
and will have them. The question is only whether creating these two file 
systems as separate partitions makes any sense or not. In other words, if 
you don't specify them as separate partitions, the installer will zsimply 
create those directories in /.

Ditto for /usr and /home, by the bye.

 On Sun, 24 Feb 2002, Ed Barnes 
wrote:

> Janina, just one thing to add to your suggestion of dumping the /tmp and
> /var partitions.
> I was of the understanding that files relating to dns services resided
> somewhere under /var and I did want to have a dns service running so I could
> access my other machines on my little hobby network here at home from the
> internet.
> Also, I don't imagine that those two small hard drives will be residing in
> my Linux computer for ever as the only game in town so to speak, I am
> planning to buy a 20 or a 40 for my main system which is a Windows box,
> remove the 12 gb from the Windows box of course, and stick it in the Linux
> box so itwould then have three.
> As the edition of a 12 gb would change the complection of the system in a
> radical sense I undoubtedly would flatten the two smaller hard drives and
> re-install everything to fully take advantage of the fact that I would have
> a great deal more storage space.
> I'd imagine my Linux system with only two hard drives in it will only be up
> for a couple of weeks before I have bought the new drive, however; I figure
> that what I have is decent to learn from in the beginning and I'd guess
> whatever software I could fit in a 1 gb /usr partition would be enough to
> occupy my thirst to learn Linux until I add the larger drive.
> Thanks for sending the extra info and good luck with the new software you
> were playing with.
> Ed Barnes
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 10:48 PM
> Subject: Re: Partitioning -- was Re: choosing a distro and version
> 
> 
> Yes, they were missing, sorry about that. Playing around with unfamiliar
> software ...
> 
> Let me try this again ...
> 
> Since you're only using this linux computer for yourself, and since your
> hard drives are relatively small as these things are thought of today, I'd
> advise dumping the /var and /tmp partitions. The 400 mB you specified for
> / is sufficient for / and /var and /tmp most probably. If anything on /var
> gets too large, which is unlikely, you can always move it to /home and
> create a symbolic link in /var--so you are not boxing yourself in by doing
> this.
> 
> I guess that if it were me, I'd want a bit more than 1 gB for /usr because
> I'd expect to play around with software. On Sun, 24 Feb 2002, Ed Barnes
> wrote:
> 
> > Hi janina, I think your editional comments you referred too are missing,
> or
> > at least I am unable to find them. Thanks. Ed
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 3:03 PM
> > Subject: Re: Partitioning -- was Re: choosing a distro and version
> >
> >
> > Hi, Ed:
> >
> > This looks much better to me. A couple of comments sill, however:
> >
> >
> >
> > Ed Barnes writes:
> > > Janina and list.
> > > I am learning more and more from this list as I write to it and read the
> > > messages of others and I should add that I am thoroughally enjoying
> > > participating.
> > > Guess the fact that I am a bit of a computer nird might have something
> to
> > do
> > > with it in a sense because I spend hours and hours fooling around at
> > > computer stuff outside of what school requires just because I enjoy it
> as
> > a
> > > hobby.
> > > Nevertheless, yes Janina I did forget the ned for a /usr partition.
> > > Regarding putting the swap partition on /dev/hda1, I found it a little
> odd
> > > that you were commenting on this as I couldn't remember writing that in
> > the
> > > original message.
> > >      I actually didn't or didn't intend to write it that way but I've
> > looked
> > > at the message that you would have received late last night and that is
> > what
> > > you saw when you read the message so it makes some sense now.
> > >  I have a touchpad on my notebook which I've not yet disabled and
> > sometimes
> > > if my palm hits it as I type and I don't realize it my messages end up
> as
> > a
> > > bit of a jumble and things are miss-aligned.
> > > The pointer that you use a / partition of 256 mb approx and that I could
> > get
> > > away with 400 mb or so is invaluable.
> > > This drastically changes things, but it is change for the better.
> > > After reading your note I am wondering if a partition scheme such as the
> > > following would be more appropriate? Once again I'm planning on
> installing
> > > the modified Red Hat 7.2 on a Pentium II 233 mhz w 64 mb of ram. Any and
> > all
> > > thoughts welcome folks.
> > > /dev/hda is a 2 gb hd
> > > /dev/hda1
> > > / partition 400 mb
> > > /dev/hda2
> > > /usr partition 1 gb (I don't plan on installing anything from x)
> > > /dev/hda3
> > > /var 600 mb (very limitted mail and web and dns server capability)
> > > /dev/hdb is a 1.6 gb hard disk
> > > /dev/hdb1
> > > swap partition of size 200 mb
> > > /dev/hdb2
> > > /tmp 400 mb
> > > /dev/hdb3
> > > /home remaining space on hard disk
> > > Many thanks to all in advance.
> > > Ed Barnes
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 2:03 PM
> > > Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version
> > >
> > >
> > > I don't know about the wisdom of putting swap in hda1. Sounds unusual to
> > > me, put I don't know that there's actually anything wrong with that. I
> > > just have never seen that.
> > >
> > > Also, it's not your /root -- but your / partition which is the root. 1.5
> > > gB is undoubtedly large--try 500 mB or even less. I get away with about
> > > 256 mB these days. Essentially, make this bigger if it includes /var,
> and
> > > less if /var is a separate partition, and less if /var will have
> > > relatively little to do--no ftp, no web, only your mail, etc.
> > >
> > > Your note does not speak of /usr. That is very important, and will take
> at
> > > least 1 gB if you install nothing from X, and about 3.5 gB if you
> install
> > > everything in the RH 7.2 distribution.
> > >
> > > My advice is to let diskdruid figure out where to put things. It's good
> at
> > > that. Just specify the sizes and mount points. The term "Mount points,"
> by
> > > the way,  is linux speak for things like /, and /usr, and /home, etc.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> --
> 
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> 
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> 
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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> 
> 
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				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Re: Partitioning -- was Re: choosing a distro and version

[Ed Barnes]

Hi Janina.
Despite the fact that I have done only one basic Unix/Linux course before, 
my thought was and still is, that having separate partitions such as /var, 
/tmp and such will decrease the amount of typing needed to be done and will 
decrease the likelyness that I could confuse Linux file conventions and 
mount points with the conventions used by other network operating systems 
which I am using now and will likely continue to use after I graduate from 
my program, I.E., Ms Windows NT and 2000 servers, Novell Netware, and such.
I realize that with more practice and experience, these differences will 
not be as confusing and I will be able to talk the speak of one and then 
quickly switch to any of the others, however; that is a ways away yet.
Regards all.
Ed Barnes

At 11:56 AM 25/02/2002, you wrote:
>Well, this is good, Ed. The best part is the realization  that you will
>reinstall in the near future. In fact, you may find that you do a fair
>amount of installing before you develop your own "style" as it were.
>
>The point is not that you should have /var and /tmp. Of course you should,
>and will have them. The question is only whether creating these two file
>systems as separate partitions makes any sense or not. In other words, if
>you don't specify them as separate partitions, the installer will zsimply
>create those directories in /.
>
>Ditto for /usr and /home, by the bye.
>
>  On Sun, 24 Feb 2002, Ed Barnes
>wrote:
>
> > Janina, just one thing to add to your suggestion of dumping the /tmp and
> > /var partitions.
> > I was of the understanding that files relating to dns services resided
> > somewhere under /var and I did want to have a dns service running so I 
> could
> > access my other machines on my little hobby network here at home from the
> > internet.
> > Also, I don't imagine that those two small hard drives will be residing in
> > my Linux computer for ever as the only game in town so to speak, I am
> > planning to buy a 20 or a 40 for my main system which is a Windows box,
> > remove the 12 gb from the Windows box of course, and stick it in the Linux
> > box so itwould then have three.
> > As the edition of a 12 gb would change the complection of the system in a
> > radical sense I undoubtedly would flatten the two smaller hard drives and
> > re-install everything to fully take advantage of the fact that I would have
> > a great deal more storage space.
> > I'd imagine my Linux system with only two hard drives in it will only be up
> > for a couple of weeks before I have bought the new drive, however; I figure
> > that what I have is decent to learn from in the beginning and I'd guess
> > whatever software I could fit in a 1 gb /usr partition would be enough to
> > occupy my thirst to learn Linux until I add the larger drive.
> > Thanks for sending the extra info and good luck with the new software you
> > were playing with.
> > Ed Barnes
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 10:48 PM
> > Subject: Re: Partitioning -- was Re: choosing a distro and version
> >
> >
> > Yes, they were missing, sorry about that. Playing around with unfamiliar
> > software ...
> >
> > Let me try this again ...
> >
> > Since you're only using this linux computer for yourself, and since your
> > hard drives are relatively small as these things are thought of today, I'd
> > advise dumping the /var and /tmp partitions. The 400 mB you specified for
> > / is sufficient for / and /var and /tmp most probably. If anything on /var
> > gets too large, which is unlikely, you can always move it to /home and
> > create a symbolic link in /var--so you are not boxing yourself in by doing
> > this.
> >
> > I guess that if it were me, I'd want a bit more than 1 gB for /usr because
> > I'd expect to play around with software. On Sun, 24 Feb 2002, Ed Barnes
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi janina, I think your editional comments you referred too are missing,
> > or
> > > at least I am unable to find them. Thanks. Ed
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 3:03 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Partitioning -- was Re: choosing a distro and version
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi, Ed:
> > >
> > > This looks much better to me. A couple of comments sill, however:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ed Barnes writes:
> > > > Janina and list.
> > > > I am learning more and more from this list as I write to it and 
> read the
> > > > messages of others and I should add that I am thoroughally enjoying
> > > > participating.
> > > > Guess the fact that I am a bit of a computer nird might have something
> > to
> > > do
> > > > with it in a sense because I spend hours and hours fooling around at
> > > > computer stuff outside of what school requires just because I enjoy it
> > as
> > > a
> > > > hobby.
> > > > Nevertheless, yes Janina I did forget the ned for a /usr partition.
> > > > Regarding putting the swap partition on /dev/hda1, I found it a little
> > odd
> > > > that you were commenting on this as I couldn't remember writing that in
> > > the
> > > > original message.
> > > >      I actually didn't or didn't intend to write it that way but I've
> > > looked
> > > > at the message that you would have received late last night and that is
> > > what
> > > > you saw when you read the message so it makes some sense now.
> > > >  I have a touchpad on my notebook which I've not yet disabled and
> > > sometimes
> > > > if my palm hits it as I type and I don't realize it my messages end up
> > as
> > > a
> > > > bit of a jumble and things are miss-aligned.
> > > > The pointer that you use a / partition of 256 mb approx and that I 
> could
> > > get
> > > > away with 400 mb or so is invaluable.
> > > > This drastically changes things, but it is change for the better.
> > > > After reading your note I am wondering if a partition scheme such 
> as the
> > > > following would be more appropriate? Once again I'm planning on
> > installing
> > > > the modified Red Hat 7.2 on a Pentium II 233 mhz w 64 mb of ram. 
> Any and
> > > all
> > > > thoughts welcome folks.
> > > > /dev/hda is a 2 gb hd
> > > > /dev/hda1
> > > > / partition 400 mb
> > > > /dev/hda2
> > > > /usr partition 1 gb (I don't plan on installing anything from x)
> > > > /dev/hda3
> > > > /var 600 mb (very limitted mail and web and dns server capability)
> > > > /dev/hdb is a 1.6 gb hard disk
> > > > /dev/hdb1
> > > > swap partition of size 200 mb
> > > > /dev/hdb2
> > > > /tmp 400 mb
> > > > /dev/hdb3
> > > > /home remaining space on hard disk
> > > > Many thanks to all in advance.
> > > > Ed Barnes
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 2:03 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I don't know about the wisdom of putting swap in hda1. Sounds 
> unusual to
> > > > me, put I don't know that there's actually anything wrong with that. I
> > > > just have never seen that.
> > > >
> > > > Also, it's not your /root -- but your / partition which is the 
> root. 1.5
> > > > gB is undoubtedly large--try 500 mB or even less. I get away with about
> > > > 256 mB these days. Essentially, make this bigger if it includes /var,
> > and
> > > > less if /var is a separate partition, and less if /var will have
> > > > relatively little to do--no ftp, no web, only your mail, etc.
> > > >
> > > > Your note does not speak of /usr. That is very important, and will take
> > at
> > > > least 1 gB if you install nothing from X, and about 3.5 gB if you
> > install
> > > > everything in the RH 7.2 distribution.
> > > >
> > > > My advice is to let diskdruid figure out where to put things. It's good
> > at
> > > > that. Just specify the sizes and mount points. The term "Mount points,"
> > by
> > > > the way,  is linux speak for things like /, and /usr, and /home, etc.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > Technology Research and Development
> > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > >
> > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > >
> > > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > http://www.openebook.org
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
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> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> >
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> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
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>
>                                 Janina Sajka, Director
>                                 Technology Research and Development
>                                 Governmental Relations Group
>                                 American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
>Email: janina@afb.net           Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
>Chair, Accessibility SIG
>Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
>http://www.openebook.org
>
>
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Re: choosing a distro and version

[Ed Barnes]

Hi Alex.
As you probably know from following the messages on the list, I haven't as 
of yet setup my Linux box.
Regarding synthesizers, I have several to choose from, including:
Braille'N Speak
Accent SA
Accent PC
Artic Transport
I will probably use the Accent PC because I can then save the BNS to use as 
a notetaker in the event that my notebook which I am writing this message 
to you from now is out of comission so to speak.
I will also probbly save the transport because I am planning to purchase an 
editional pc and though I could use the sound card for its speech output as 
I'll probably put some version of Winblows on it, I think I will save the 
transport to connect to it.
The other thing that is advantageous about using the Accent PC in the Linux 
computer is that the board in the box has 4 pci, 3 isa, and an agp, and if 
I don't put it in that machine which is a Pentium II 233 I'll probably not 
find another use for it because I probably won't pick up any more machines 
from generations where isa were as common as pci slots are today on 
mainboards due to the fact that I don't have much use for them.
I really don't have many solutions to offer for your synthesizer problem 
with the Braille Lite due to my own inexperience regarding Linux.
Have you connected the BLT to another pc like a Windows box and tried using 
it as a synth and if so were you successful.
If you were not, this could point to either incorrect settings on the BLT 
and or mechanical problems with the BLT itself.
However, I am skeptical to point to either of these because if you say that 
tech support basically asked you all the dumb ass questions, this leads me 
to believe that you probably already know what the correct settings should be.

If you weren't successful with testing it on a Windows or DOS machine
At 08:22 PM 23/02/2002, you wrote:
>Ed,
>Wich speach synth are you using? I just cant seem to get my Braille Lite to
>work, and that's the only thing I got (until tuxtalk is ready). Do you have
>any ideas? I called tec support and they gave me all the dumb ass solutions
>like "is your cable hooked up?
>Thanks in advance,
>Alex Snow
>P.S. what kind of system are you using? I'm using a 1 gig amd box with 128
>megs of ram and thirty gigs of disk
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ed Barnes" <ed.barnes@janus.northatlantic.nf.ca>
>To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 12:01 PM
>Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version
>
>
> > Hi Alex.
> > Thanks for writing.
> > I would actually prefer to go with a system that is not a dual boot
>because
> > I hate dual boots unless they are the *only* option so I will be running
>the
> > system on a system dedicated to Linux only.
> > I also want the challenges of configuring the system as someone who will
>be
> > graduating from an I.T. program in May.
> > I feel the little introduction we received with regard to Linux totally
> > missed the boat so to speak so I want to teach myself all I can.
> > I am going to go Red Hat because there are more users of that distro
>locally
> > so I figure should I do anything to totally mess up my machine I'll have
> > more help sources around here should I need to avail of them.
> > Thanks and have a nice day.
> > Ed Barnes
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 9:23 AM
> > Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version
> >
> >
> > Hi Ed,
> > I am a first-time linux user and have a piece of advice: If you haven't
>used
> > linux befor, download "zipspeak" from
> > ftp://linux-speakup.org/pub/speakup/disks/slackware/zipspeak/zipspeak.zip
> > It's a preconfigured slackware that will run from a fat partition.  I'd
> > suggest it for people who are new to linux.  It is pretty easy to setup
>and
> > I know how to set it up.  Also it's author is very helpfull.
> > Hope this helps
> > Alex Snow
> > P.S.  I am working on a red hat version of zipspeak.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: choosing a distro and version

[Alex Snow]

Hi Ed!
I was using the braille lite on a winblows box that also boots slackware 8
with speakup.  I tried it under windows and it doesn't work.  That gave me
an idea.  I connected it to a 486 sx I had sitting around, and it works on
that machine.  The real funny part is that it didn't work on that machine a
few months ago but it worked on my winblows box.  I'll try to email tec
suport when I get a chance.  I would just try to put a temperary thing like
zipspeak on it, just to get a feel for linux but It is an old lan manager
machine with settings for the school network it used to be on back in its
day.  I'll try to get the cdrom working, but would very much prefer putting
on the newer mc=achine.  Any ideas on what could be wrong?
Alex Snow
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Barnes" <ed.barnes@janus.northatlantic.nf.ca>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version


> Hi Alex.
> As you probably know from following the messages on the list, I haven't as
> of yet setup my Linux box.
> Regarding synthesizers, I have several to choose from, including:
> Braille'N Speak
> Accent SA
> Accent PC
> Artic Transport
> I will probably use the Accent PC because I can then save the BNS to use
as
> a notetaker in the event that my notebook which I am writing this message
> to you from now is out of comission so to speak.
> I will also probbly save the transport because I am planning to purchase
an
> editional pc and though I could use the sound card for its speech output
as
> I'll probably put some version of Winblows on it, I think I will save the
> transport to connect to it.
> The other thing that is advantageous about using the Accent PC in the
Linux
> computer is that the board in the box has 4 pci, 3 isa, and an agp, and if
> I don't put it in that machine which is a Pentium II 233 I'll probably not
> find another use for it because I probably won't pick up any more machines
> >from generations where isa were as common as pci slots are today on
> mainboards due to the fact that I don't have much use for them.
> I really don't have many solutions to offer for your synthesizer problem
> with the Braille Lite due to my own inexperience regarding Linux.
> Have you connected the BLT to another pc like a Windows box and tried
using
> it as a synth and if so were you successful.
> If you were not, this could point to either incorrect settings on the BLT
> and or mechanical problems with the BLT itself.
> However, I am skeptical to point to either of these because if you say
that
> tech support basically asked you all the dumb ass questions, this leads me
> to believe that you probably already know what the correct settings should
be.
>
> If you weren't successful with testing it on a Windows or DOS machine
> At 08:22 PM 23/02/2002, you wrote:
> >Ed,
> >Wich speach synth are you using? I just cant seem to get my Braille Lite
to
> >work, and that's the only thing I got (until tuxtalk is ready). Do you
have
> >any ideas? I called tec support and they gave me all the dumb ass
solutions
> >like "is your cable hooked up?
> >Thanks in advance,
> >Alex Snow
> >P.S. what kind of system are you using? I'm using a 1 gig amd box with
128
> >megs of ram and thirty gigs of disk
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Ed Barnes" <ed.barnes@janus.northatlantic.nf.ca>
> >To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> >Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 12:01 PM
> >Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version
> >
> >
> > > Hi Alex.
> > > Thanks for writing.
> > > I would actually prefer to go with a system that is not a dual boot
> >because
> > > I hate dual boots unless they are the *only* option so I will be
running
> >the
> > > system on a system dedicated to Linux only.
> > > I also want the challenges of configuring the system as someone who
will
> >be
> > > graduating from an I.T. program in May.
> > > I feel the little introduction we received with regard to Linux
totally
> > > missed the boat so to speak so I want to teach myself all I can.
> > > I am going to go Red Hat because there are more users of that distro
> >locally
> > > so I figure should I do anything to totally mess up my machine I'll
have
> > > more help sources around here should I need to avail of them.
> > > Thanks and have a nice day.
> > > Ed Barnes
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 9:23 AM
> > > Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Ed,
> > > I am a first-time linux user and have a piece of advice: If you
haven't
> >used
> > > linux befor, download "zipspeak" from
> > >
ftp://linux-speakup.org/pub/speakup/disks/slackware/zipspeak/zipspeak.zip
> > > It's a preconfigured slackware that will run from a fat partition.
I'd
> > > suggest it for people who are new to linux.  It is pretty easy to
setup
> >and
> > > I know how to set it up.  Also it's author is very helpfull.
> > > Hope this helps
> > > Alex Snow
> > > P.S.  I am working on a red hat version of zipspeak.
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: choosing a distro and version

[Gregory Nowak]

Have you tried a different cable? It could be that your blt cable is going bad. Depending on what angle it is at, some broken wires may or may not be aligning with each other if it is the cable.
Greg


On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 03:09:28PM -0500, Alex Snow wrote:
> Hi Ed!
> I was using the braille lite on a winblows box that also boots slackware 8
> with speakup.  I tried it under windows and it doesn't work.  That gave me
> an idea.  I connected it to a 486 sx I had sitting around, and it works on
> that machine.  The real funny part is that it didn't work on that machine a
> few months ago but it worked on my winblows box.  I'll try to email tec
> suport when I get a chance.  I would just try to put a temperary thing like
> zipspeak on it, just to get a feel for linux but It is an old lan manager
> machine with settings for the school network it used to be on back in its
> day.  I'll try to get the cdrom working, but would very much prefer putting
> on the newer mc=achine.  Any ideas on what could be wrong?
> Alex Snow
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ed Barnes" <ed.barnes@janus.northatlantic.nf.ca>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 4:29 PM
> Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version
> 
> 
> > Hi Alex.
> > As you probably know from following the messages on the list, I haven't as
> > of yet setup my Linux box.
> > Regarding synthesizers, I have several to choose from, including:
> > Braille'N Speak
> > Accent SA
> > Accent PC
> > Artic Transport
> > I will probably use the Accent PC because I can then save the BNS to use
> as
> > a notetaker in the event that my notebook which I am writing this message
> > to you from now is out of comission so to speak.
> > I will also probbly save the transport because I am planning to purchase
> an
> > editional pc and though I could use the sound card for its speech output
> as
> > I'll probably put some version of Winblows on it, I think I will save the
> > transport to connect to it.
> > The other thing that is advantageous about using the Accent PC in the
> Linux
> > computer is that the board in the box has 4 pci, 3 isa, and an agp, and if
> > I don't put it in that machine which is a Pentium II 233 I'll probably not
> > find another use for it because I probably won't pick up any more machines
> > >from generations where isa were as common as pci slots are today on
> > mainboards due to the fact that I don't have much use for them.
> > I really don't have many solutions to offer for your synthesizer problem
> > with the Braille Lite due to my own inexperience regarding Linux.
> > Have you connected the BLT to another pc like a Windows box and tried
> using
> > it as a synth and if so were you successful.
> > If you were not, this could point to either incorrect settings on the BLT
> > and or mechanical problems with the BLT itself.
> > However, I am skeptical to point to either of these because if you say
> that
> > tech support basically asked you all the dumb ass questions, this leads me
> > to believe that you probably already know what the correct settings should
> be.
> >
> > If you weren't successful with testing it on a Windows or DOS machine
> > At 08:22 PM 23/02/2002, you wrote:
> > >Ed,
> > >Wich speach synth are you using? I just cant seem to get my Braille Lite
> to
> > >work, and that's the only thing I got (until tuxtalk is ready). Do you
> have
> > >any ideas? I called tec support and they gave me all the dumb ass
> solutions
> > >like "is your cable hooked up?
> > >Thanks in advance,
> > >Alex Snow
> > >P.S. what kind of system are you using? I'm using a 1 gig amd box with
> 128
> > >megs of ram and thirty gigs of disk
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Ed Barnes" <ed.barnes@janus.northatlantic.nf.ca>
> > >To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > >Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 12:01 PM
> > >Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Alex.
> > > > Thanks for writing.
> > > > I would actually prefer to go with a system that is not a dual boot
> > >because
> > > > I hate dual boots unless they are the *only* option so I will be
> running
> > >the
> > > > system on a system dedicated to Linux only.
> > > > I also want the challenges of configuring the system as someone who
> will
> > >be
> > > > graduating from an I.T. program in May.
> > > > I feel the little introduction we received with regard to Linux
> totally
> > > > missed the boat so to speak so I want to teach myself all I can.
> > > > I am going to go Red Hat because there are more users of that distro
> > >locally
> > > > so I figure should I do anything to totally mess up my machine I'll
> have
> > > > more help sources around here should I need to avail of them.
> > > > Thanks and have a nice day.
> > > > Ed Barnes
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 9:23 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Ed,
> > > > I am a first-time linux user and have a piece of advice: If you
> haven't
> > >used
> > > > linux befor, download "zipspeak" from
> > > >
> ftp://linux-speakup.org/pub/speakup/disks/slackware/zipspeak/zipspeak.zip
> > > > It's a preconfigured slackware that will run from a fat partition.
> I'd
> > > > suggest it for people who are new to linux.  It is pretty easy to
> setup
> > >and
> > > > I know how to set it up.  Also it's author is very helpfull.
> > > > Hope this helps
> > > > Alex Snow
> > > > P.S.  I am working on a red hat version of zipspeak.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >Speakup mailing list
> > >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> 
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: choosing a distro and version

[Amanda Lee]

this is probably too late but I just go to DOS and use regular old FTP and I
get an image in  less than an hour.   goes pretty fast with Cable Broadband.

Amanda Lee


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Barnes" <ed.barnes@janus.northatlantic.nf.ca>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version


Hi janina, I eventually successfully downloaded the images with no problems,
the main reason I don't usually use programs which support download
resumption is because I am now on cable and if I am downloading isoes and
such I usually set them to start before I go to bed here at home and if it
craps out it's no big deal, I just re-start it when I leave for school in
the mornings.
I also don't like Cute FTP, it's a question of personal preference in this
case, and it was the only client I bothered to familiarize myself with when
it comes to Windows-based anything in the ftp client arena.
I usually use ftp from the Windows DOS-box, the only thing I find
challenging, and I would guess others probably find this to be so
irregardless what command line utility they are using is remembering long
file names because they are becoming more and more common.
I downloaded Ncftp but haven't tested it out.

Thanks Janina and have a good week-end.
Ed Barnes

----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version


Two points:

1.) You should be dlwonloading from linux-speakup.org, and nowhere
else. Any other address you may have been given is now old news. Though
well-meaning people will still give out other addresses, this is now the
one to use, and the one that will stay for the forseeable future.

Using http, goto:

http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/redhat/images/

Or, use anonymous ftp at ftp.linux-speakup.org and cd to
pub/speakup/disks/redhat/images.

2.) If at all possible, use some kind of download software that
supports resuming an interrupted download. As you're discovering, this can
be an invaluable feature. ncftp for windows is one such client:

ftp://ftp.ncftp.com/ncftp/binaries/ncftp-3.1.2-win32.exe

There are others, such as CuteFTP at:

http://www.globalscape.com/download/index.shtml


On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, Ed Barnes wrote:

> Hi Thomas, I have all of the above, fast network connection, fast cdrw
> drive, etc, however; I discovered the red hat 7.2 cd images including
> speakup in the red hat site at linux-speakup and both times I tried
> downloading disk 1 of the i386 iso images both transfers died at about the
> 60 mb point, anyone have any thoughts as to why this happened.
> I didn't receive any errors on screen.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Thomas Ward" <tward@bright.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 3:54 PM
> Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version
>
>
> Hi, Ed. Well, I would suggest Red Hat 7.2 myself. If you have access to a
> high speed internet connection, and a cdrom burner there is a version of
Red
> Hat 7.2 on the Linux Speakup site that has Speakup already built in. It
has
> boot disks to help you with a self voicing install, etc.
> Red Hat was my first distribution, and still is my favorite distribution.
> Fpor newbies it has quite a lot to offer. The sound configuration tools,
> kudzu hardware maniger, and other configuration tools to help you get it
> going.
>
> Your partitioning sounds good. It would be a vary good idea to put /home
on
> /dev/hdb.  I will leave it up to others to give specifics on partitioning
> they use.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ed Barnes <ed.barnes@janus.northatlantic.nf.ca>
> To: linux speakup listserve <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 11:22 AM
> Subject: choosing a distro and version
>
>
> > Hi again folks, hope nobody is sick of hearing from me yet, if so, I'm
> > sorry.
> > nevertheless, I was looking at the speakup web site, in particular
> available
> > information on Debian and Red Hat Linux distroes.
> > I am debating choosing to setup either a Debian or a Red Hat system as
my
> > first Linux system
> > I have spoken with some Linux users locally and the general consensus
from
> > those who have used both distroes is that for a first-timer Red Hat
might
> be
> > an easier setup and that after I have successfully conquered setting up
a
> > Red Hat box I would have enough skill to conquer setup of Debian and/or
> > Slackware as desired.
> > Any thoughts?
> > The system which I was planning to use and dedicate to setting up Linux
as
> > its only operating system is a Pentium II 233 MHZ w 64 mb of ram and two
> > HDs, it has a sound blaster pro sound card, and it will have a Symbios
> Logic
> > pci video adapter or an Sys chip set based AGP though I am leaning
toward
> > using the AGP so as to be able to use the extra pci slot for something
> more
> > practical like one of the nics.
> > I know that I should create a min of three partitions, /home, /root, and
a
> > swap partition.
> > I have rough ideas of how big I want these partitions to be based on
what
> I
> > wish to do with the server from a functional point of view.
> > The two HDs are 1.6 gb and 2 gb in size respectively.
> > From a point of view of incorporating some level of fault tolerance in
the
> > system I was thinking the root partition and the swap partition should
go
> on
> > /dev/hda and the home partition should go on /dev/hdb.
> >         This would make system backup more convenient as I would only
have
> > to backup the /dev/hdb drive to save user data.
> > In the event that I do anything to cause the kernel to blow up I could
> > simply flatten /dev/hda and re-install it and re-create the user
accounts
> > whose data is still stored on /dev/hdb and or my backups.
> >   I was figuring that I would optimize hd space usage by using the 2 gb
> > drive as /dev/hda and use the 1.6 gb as /dev/hdb as I don't estimate
that
> my
> > system would have any more than 2 too 5 users, root, an user account,
for
> > myself, and one too three accounts that I might create to facilitate my
> own
> > fooling around and attempting to learn more about Linux aside from the
> > accounts which some Linux services, processes create after they are
> compiled
> > into the kernel and started.
> > I was also thinking of putting a min of two nics into the system so it
> could
> > be used to store a dynamic routing table for dns and create an ip subnet
> > mask so though I am paying for only one ip through my cable internet
> service
> > provider all the machines I have at home could both access the internet
> and
> > be accessed from the internet by me.
> > I know that steps to create an ip subnet mask and setup dns are well
> > documented at linuxdoc.org and I enjoy reading tech docs as required so
I
> > won't bor you guys with questions that have already been answered
> elsewhere.
> > I have read the readme files pertaining to speakup when it is installed
> with
> > both Red Hat 7 and 7.2 respectively and I already have copies of both
> > versions gotten directly from a Red Hat mirror.
> > Due to the fact that easy-to-use boot disk images are available for 7.0
> and
> > I don't need to modify any software which I already have other than
> > downloading the appropriate boot image and using rawrite to copy it to
> > floppy it seems that this would be the best distro to choose in my case.
> > In reading the speakup-related readme for Red Hat 7.2 it seems that I
> would
> > have to radically alter the CDs I already have to make it work with
> speakup
> > and I don't really want the extra work at the moment.
> > Lastly, for synths I have two Accents, a pc and an sa, a transport, and
a
> > BNS.
> > From the collective experience of others, is there one which is easier
to
> > get talking or which works better than any of the others given the ones
I
> > have available to me or is it just a question of me choosing the one I
> like
> > to listen to the most and choosing to use it over any of the others.
> >
> > In closing, thanks for reading, I'd appreciate any thoughts on what I've
> > written and guidance as to whether I am hitting a home run or if I am
very
> > much out in left field so to speak.
> > Any and all opinions welcome either sent to the listserve or to me
> directly
> > using either ed.barnes@janus.northatlantic.nf.ca or ebarnes@superweb.ca.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
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>
>
>
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>

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Technology Research and Development
Governmental Relations Group
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175

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