GNU/Linux in the U.S. Government

GNU/Linux in the U.S. Government

[Janina Sajka]

Just when you thought that U.S. Government might be a registered trademark 
of Microsoft Corporation (TM), here comes a U.S. Government web site 
running Debian and Apache. Guess what? It's about disability, and 
opportunities for persons with disabilities in the U.S. Check it out at:

	http://www.disabilitydirect.gov

What would you like to see on this site that isn't there? What programs 
and services would you like the U.S. Government to consider that involve 
open source and organizations of persons with disabilities? Let me know. 
I'll pass your ideas along.


-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Re: GNU/Linux in the U.S. Government

[Alex Snow]

I know I would like to see some more open source adaptive technology for
Gnu/Linux such as braille translaters, screen review, and OCR.  Also I think
that some more of those workshops for people with disabilities should have
more demonstrations of Linux-related products.  Until I found about speakup
I was very angry that there was no screen review for Linux.  Now I think the
word should be spread about how Winblows and Mac aren't the only operating
system that the blind can use.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 1:19 PM
Subject: GNU/Linux in the U.S. Government


> Just when you thought that U.S. Government might be a registered trademark
> of Microsoft Corporation (TM), here comes a U.S. Government web site
> running Debian and Apache. Guess what? It's about disability, and
> opportunities for persons with disabilities in the U.S. Check it out at:
>
> http://www.disabilitydirect.gov
>
> What would you like to see on this site that isn't there? What programs
> and services would you like the U.S. Government to consider that involve
> open source and organizations of persons with disabilities? Let me know.
> I'll pass your ideas along.
>
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: GNU/Linux in the U.S. Government

[jwantz]

Hey Janina,
The National Weather Service's entire Advanced Weather Information 
Processing System (AWIPS) is soon going to be entirely running on Linux. 
 One of the fastest super computers in the world run by the Forecast 
Systems Laboratory runs on Linux.  However, AWIPS is inaccessible 
because just about all of the applications run under XWINDOWS.

      Jim
On Tue, 12 
Mar 2002, Janina Sajka wrote:

> Just when you thought that U.S. Government might be a registered trademark 
> of Microsoft Corporation (TM), here comes a U.S. Government web site 
> running Debian and Apache. Guess what? It's about disability, and 
> opportunities for persons with disabilities in the U.S. Check it out at:
> 
> 	http://www.disabilitydirect.gov
> 
> What would you like to see on this site that isn't there? What programs 
> and services would you like the U.S. Government to consider that involve 
> open source and organizations of persons with disabilities? Let me know. 
> I'll pass your ideas along.
> 
> 
> 

Re: GNU/Linux in the U.S. Government

[Janina Sajka]

Hey, Jim:

Very interesting. Any chance  of accessing via gnome which should have 
something for us soon.

I would imagine a lot of what people there want to see is graphical--but 
that has to be driven by numbers underneath--lots of numbers. Could you 
get at those numbers if necessary? Is this an open interface within NOAA, 
at least, so that you might just map, or have someone map, another front 
end over the app via ncurses?

Put this differently, is your job at stake over this?

I ask, in part, because I'm helping to organize an event on June 18 over 
at NSF about 508 opportunities for the open source community.

 On Mon, 18 
Mar 2002 jwantz@hpcc2.hpcc.noaa.gov wrote:

> Hey Janina,
> The National Weather Service's entire Advanced Weather Information 
> Processing System (AWIPS) is soon going to be entirely running on Linux. 
>  One of the fastest super computers in the world run by the Forecast 
> Systems Laboratory runs on Linux.  However, AWIPS is inaccessible 
> because just about all of the applications run under XWINDOWS.
> 
>       Jim
> On Tue, 12 
> Mar 2002, Janina Sajka wrote:
> 
> > Just when you thought that U.S. Government might be a registered trademark 
> > of Microsoft Corporation (TM), here comes a U.S. Government web site 
> > running Debian and Apache. Guess what? It's about disability, and 
> > opportunities for persons with disabilities in the U.S. Check it out at:
> > 
> > 	http://www.disabilitydirect.gov
> > 
> > What would you like to see on this site that isn't there? What programs 
> > and services would you like the U.S. Government to consider that involve 
> > open source and organizations of persons with disabilities? Let me know. 
> > I'll pass your ideas along.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Re: GNU/Linux in the U.S. Government

[jwantz]

Hi Janina,
No, they haven't done anything with Gnome and besides AWIPS runs 
Intranet.  The problem for me is the inability to manipulate weather 
data so I can test my programs.  Also there is an ongoing discussion 
about it not being Section 508 compatible.  Which of course it is not.
The NOAA Section 508 coordinator was talking about linux not being 508 
compatible and I was trying to disabuse that notion real fast!
As everybody reading this list knows, the problem is XWINDOWS not linux.  
Since she is primarily a WINDOWS user, I'm not sure she knew the 
difference.

     Jim
 On 
Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Janina Sajka wrote:

> Hey, Jim:
> 
> Very interesting. Any chance  of accessing via gnome which should have 
> something for us soon.
> 
> I would imagine a lot of what people there want to see is graphical--but 
> that has to be driven by numbers underneath--lots of numbers. Could you 
> get at those numbers if necessary? Is this an open interface within NOAA, 
> at least, so that you might just map, or have someone map, another front 
> end over the app via ncurses?
> 
> Put this differently, is your job at stake over this?
> 
> I ask, in part, because I'm helping to organize an event on June 18 over 
> at NSF about 508 opportunities for the open source community.
> 
>  On Mon, 18 
> Mar 2002 jwantz@hpcc2.hpcc.noaa.gov wrote:
> 
> > Hey Janina,
> > The National Weather Service's entire Advanced Weather Information 
> > Processing System (AWIPS) is soon going to be entirely running on Linux. 
> >  One of the fastest super computers in the world run by the Forecast 
> > Systems Laboratory runs on Linux.  However, AWIPS is inaccessible 
> > because just about all of the applications run under XWINDOWS.
> > 
> >       Jim
> > On Tue, 12 
> > Mar 2002, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > 
> > > Just when you thought that U.S. Government might be a registered trademark 
> > > of Microsoft Corporation (TM), here comes a U.S. Government web site 
> > > running Debian and Apache. Guess what? It's about disability, and 
> > > opportunities for persons with disabilities in the U.S. Check it out at:
> > > 
> > > 	http://www.disabilitydirect.gov
> > > 
> > > What would you like to see on this site that isn't there? What programs 
> > > and services would you like the U.S. Government to consider that involve 
> > > open source and organizations of persons with disabilities? Let me know. 
> > > I'll pass your ideas along.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> 
> 

Re: GNU/Linux in the U.S. Government

[Thomas Ward]

Yeah, that happens alot more than you think. Ever since MS marketed the
graphical user interface on the world most people think if the gui is not
accessible they think neither is the os.
Not being able to see the forest for the trees.

----- Original Message -----
From: <jwantz@hpcc2.hpcc.noaa.gov>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: GNU/Linux in the U.S. Government


> Hi Janina,
> No, they haven't done anything with Gnome and besides AWIPS runs
> Intranet.  The problem for me is the inability to manipulate weather
> data so I can test my programs.  Also there is an ongoing discussion
> about it not being Section 508 compatible.  Which of course it is not.
> The NOAA Section 508 coordinator was talking about linux not being 508
> compatible and I was trying to disabuse that notion real fast!
> As everybody reading this list knows, the problem is XWINDOWS not linux.
> Since she is primarily a WINDOWS user, I'm not sure she knew the
> difference.
>
>      Jim
>  On
> Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Janina Sajka wrote:
>
> > Hey, Jim:
> >
> > Very interesting. Any chance  of accessing via gnome which should have
> > something for us soon.
> >
> > I would imagine a lot of what people there want to see is graphical--but
> > that has to be driven by numbers underneath--lots of numbers. Could you
> > get at those numbers if necessary? Is this an open interface within
NOAA,
> > at least, so that you might just map, or have someone map, another front
> > end over the app via ncurses?
> >
> > Put this differently, is your job at stake over this?
> >
> > I ask, in part, because I'm helping to organize an event on June 18 over
> > at NSF about 508 opportunities for the open source community.
> >
> >  On Mon, 18
> > Mar 2002 jwantz@hpcc2.hpcc.noaa.gov wrote:
> >
> > > Hey Janina,
> > > The National Weather Service's entire Advanced Weather Information
> > > Processing System (AWIPS) is soon going to be entirely running on
Linux.
> > >  One of the fastest super computers in the world run by the Forecast
> > > Systems Laboratory runs on Linux.  However, AWIPS is inaccessible
> > > because just about all of the applications run under XWINDOWS.
> > >
> > >       Jim
> > > On Tue, 12
> > > Mar 2002, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > >
> > > > Just when you thought that U.S. Government might be a registered
trademark
> > > > of Microsoft Corporation (TM), here comes a U.S. Government web site
> > > > running Debian and Apache. Guess what? It's about disability, and
> > > > opportunities for persons with disabilities in the U.S. Check it out
at:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.disabilitydirect.gov
> > > >
> > > > What would you like to see on this site that isn't there? What
programs
> > > > and services would you like the U.S. Government to consider that
involve
> > > > open source and organizations of persons with disabilities? Let me
know.
> > > > I'll pass your ideas along.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: GNU/Linux in the U.S. Government

[Alex Snow]

I didn't know that operating systems had to be 508 compatible.  I thought
that that was only for government stuff.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: GNU/Linux in the U.S. Government


> Hey, Jim:
>
> Very interesting. Any chance  of accessing via gnome which should have
> something for us soon.
>
> I would imagine a lot of what people there want to see is graphical--but
> that has to be driven by numbers underneath--lots of numbers. Could you
> get at those numbers if necessary? Is this an open interface within NOAA,
> at least, so that you might just map, or have someone map, another front
> end over the app via ncurses?
>
> Put this differently, is your job at stake over this?
>
> I ask, in part, because I'm helping to organize an event on June 18 over
> at NSF about 508 opportunities for the open source community.
>
>  On Mon, 18
> Mar 2002 jwantz@hpcc2.hpcc.noaa.gov wrote:
>
> > Hey Janina,
> > The National Weather Service's entire Advanced Weather Information
> > Processing System (AWIPS) is soon going to be entirely running on Linux.
> >  One of the fastest super computers in the world run by the Forecast
> > Systems Laboratory runs on Linux.  However, AWIPS is inaccessible
> > because just about all of the applications run under XWINDOWS.
> >
> >       Jim
> > On Tue, 12
> > Mar 2002, Janina Sajka wrote:
> >
> > > Just when you thought that U.S. Government might be a registered
trademark
> > > of Microsoft Corporation (TM), here comes a U.S. Government web site
> > > running Debian and Apache. Guess what? It's about disability, and
> > > opportunities for persons with disabilities in the U.S. Check it out
at:
> > >
> > > http://www.disabilitydirect.gov
> > >
> > > What would you like to see on this site that isn't there? What
programs
> > > and services would you like the U.S. Government to consider that
involve
> > > open source and organizations of persons with disabilities? Let me
know.
> > > I'll pass your ideas along.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: GNU/Linux in the U.S. Government

[Janina Sajka]

Sec. 508 covers all "electronic and information technologies," except 
those directly used for command and control of military ordinance, 
aircraft, etc., and certain other national security systems. It's not only 
applications and operating systems, it's the hardware as well. It's also 
telephone and telecommunication equipment including handsets, switches, 
pbx, routers, etc., etc. It's copiers and printers and fax machines. It's 
all electronic and information technologies as defined by law.
 On Mon, 18 
Mar 2002, Alex Snow wrote:

> I didn't know that operating systems had to be 508 compatible.  I thought
> that that was only for government stuff.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 11:17 AM
> Subject: Re: GNU/Linux in the U.S. Government
> 
> 
> > Hey, Jim:
> >
> > Very interesting. Any chance  of accessing via gnome which should have
> > something for us soon.
> >
> > I would imagine a lot of what people there want to see is graphical--but
> > that has to be driven by numbers underneath--lots of numbers. Could you
> > get at those numbers if necessary? Is this an open interface within NOAA,
> > at least, so that you might just map, or have someone map, another front
> > end over the app via ncurses?
> >
> > Put this differently, is your job at stake over this?
> >
> > I ask, in part, because I'm helping to organize an event on June 18 over
> > at NSF about 508 opportunities for the open source community.
> >
> >  On Mon, 18
> > Mar 2002 jwantz@hpcc2.hpcc.noaa.gov wrote:
> >
> > > Hey Janina,
> > > The National Weather Service's entire Advanced Weather Information
> > > Processing System (AWIPS) is soon going to be entirely running on Linux.
> > >  One of the fastest super computers in the world run by the Forecast
> > > Systems Laboratory runs on Linux.  However, AWIPS is inaccessible
> > > because just about all of the applications run under XWINDOWS.
> > >
> > >       Jim
> > > On Tue, 12
> > > Mar 2002, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > >
> > > > Just when you thought that U.S. Government might be a registered
> trademark
> > > > of Microsoft Corporation (TM), here comes a U.S. Government web site
> > > > running Debian and Apache. Guess what? It's about disability, and
> > > > opportunities for persons with disabilities in the U.S. Check it out
> at:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.disabilitydirect.gov
> > > >
> > > > What would you like to see on this site that isn't there? What
> programs
> > > > and services would you like the U.S. Government to consider that
> involve
> > > > open source and organizations of persons with disabilities? Let me
> know.
> > > > I'll pass your ideas along.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Re: GNU/Linux in the U.S. Government

[jwantz]

Hi,
We are talking about government computers running Linux.  Therefore, 
they should be compliant.  There is nothing inherently non-compliant 
about Linux, just X

      Jim Wantz
On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Alex Snow wrote:

> I didn't know that operating systems had to be 508 compatible.  I thought
> that that was only for government stuff.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 11:17 AM
> Subject: Re: GNU/Linux in the U.S. Government
> 
> 
> > Hey, Jim:
> >
> > Very interesting. Any chance  of accessing via gnome which should have
> > something for us soon.
> >
> > I would imagine a lot of what people there want to see is graphical--but
> > that has to be driven by numbers underneath--lots of numbers. Could you
> > get at those numbers if necessary? Is this an open interface within NOAA,
> > at least, so that you might just map, or have someone map, another front
> > end over the app via ncurses?
> >
> > Put this differently, is your job at stake over this?
> >
> > I ask, in part, because I'm helping to organize an event on June 18 over
> > at NSF about 508 opportunities for the open source community.
> >
> >  On Mon, 18
> > Mar 2002 jwantz@hpcc2.hpcc.noaa.gov wrote:
> >
> > > Hey Janina,
> > > The National Weather Service's entire Advanced Weather Information
> > > Processing System (AWIPS) is soon going to be entirely running on Linux.
> > >  One of the fastest super computers in the world run by the Forecast
> > > Systems Laboratory runs on Linux.  However, AWIPS is inaccessible
> > > because just about all of the applications run under XWINDOWS.
> > >
> > >       Jim
> > > On Tue, 12
> > > Mar 2002, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > >
> > > > Just when you thought that U.S. Government might be a registered
> trademark
> > > > of Microsoft Corporation (TM), here comes a U.S. Government web site
> > > > running Debian and Apache. Guess what? It's about disability, and
> > > > opportunities for persons with disabilities in the U.S. Check it out
> at:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.disabilitydirect.gov
> > > >
> > > > What would you like to see on this site that isn't there? What
> programs
> > > > and services would you like the U.S. Government to consider that
> involve
> > > > open source and organizations of persons with disabilities? Let me
> know.
> > > > I'll pass your ideas along.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>