speakup

speakup

[Nick Allan]

Hi all
I've just joined this list and havn't noticed any messages regarding
speakup yet.  Is speakup still being developed?


Regards Nick
nallan@wdev.net

Re: speakup

[Shaun Oliver]

            Well, yes that's essentially true.
speakup is being developed but, as it stands,
it is available for download at the ftp site.
That site is,
ftp://linux-speakup.org and I can't remember the rest of the url sorry about
tgat.
I suggest you download the appropriate boot and root images for the distro
you wish to run.
also while you're there, download the rawrite utility rawrite.exe
rawrite however only works in dos so you may need to know some dos commands
before you proceed.
there's also a speakup package there too and I think last time I looked, it
was speakup-0.10a.tar.gz.
Hope that helps.
Shaun..
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Allan" <nallan@wdev.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 3:38 PM
Subject: speakup


> Hi all
> I've just joined this list and havn't noticed any messages regarding
> speakup yet.  Is speakup still being developed?
>
>
> Regards Nick
> nallan@wdev.net
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: speakup

[Kirk Wood]

On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Nick Allan wrote:
> Hi all
> I've just joined this list and havn't noticed any messages regarding
> speakup yet.  Is speakup still being developed?

It is still under development and new changes are announced here. Also,
you can find assistance if you have problem with speakup (or most any
other linux question).

In regards to the question someone else posed about the cvs version and
10a, I believe the cvs version requires a newer kernel build. I know the
kernel underwent a major change that forced speakup to make major changes
resulting in a situation where you can't run the latest cvs version
without the newer kernels. Sorry, I don't remmeber all the details of
where the split occurs.

=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net

Nothing is hard if you know the answer or are used to doing it.

Re: speakup

[Geoff Shang]

On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Kirk Wood wrote:

> In regards to the question someone else posed about the cvs version and
> 10a, I believe the cvs version requires a newer kernel build. I know the
> kernel underwent a major change that forced speakup to make major changes
> resulting in a situation where you can't run the latest cvs version
> without the newer kernels. Sorry, I don't remmeber all the details of
> where the split occurs.

That change was prior to speakup 0.10.  Speakup 0.09 will not run on kernel
2.2.18 or above, and speakup 0.10 will not run on kernel 2.2.17 or below,
or 2.4.0pre10 or below (I think).  AFAIK, speakup CVS will still run on
everything that 0.10A runs on, though I do suspect that some recent 2.4.x
kernels won't work with 10A (but I could be wrong about this).

Geoff.

Re: speakup

[Gregory Nowak]

I'm currently using 0.10a with kernel 2.4.2 and it all works just fine.
Greg


----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoff Shang" <gshang@uq.net.au>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 2:12 AM
Subject: Re: speakup


> On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Kirk Wood wrote:
>
> > In regards to the question someone else posed about the cvs version and
> > 10a, I believe the cvs version requires a newer kernel build. I know the
> > kernel underwent a major change that forced speakup to make major
changes
> > resulting in a situation where you can't run the latest cvs version
> > without the newer kernels. Sorry, I don't remmeber all the details of
> > where the split occurs.
>
> That change was prior to speakup 0.10.  Speakup 0.09 will not run on
kernel
> 2.2.18 or above, and speakup 0.10 will not run on kernel 2.2.17 or below,
> or 2.4.0pre10 or below (I think).  AFAIK, speakup CVS will still run on
> everything that 0.10A runs on, though I do suspect that some recent 2.4.x
> kernels won't work with 10A (but I could be wrong about this).
>
> Geoff.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Speakup.

[Igor Gueths]

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Although once you start using software speech, you should make sure your 
kernel is working propperly first...I.e., no error messages/kernel 
panics. The reason I say that is because anything software speech runs 
in user space, so therefore if you get a kernel panic at some point in 
the boot process you will never know about it.
On Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 03:08:47AM -0500, Tom and Esther Ward wrote:
> Hi, Ryan.
> To get the best use out of speakup you really need a hardware synth, but
> there are projects going to make software dectalk modules and festival
> modules  for software speech and speakup.
> If you really want to use speakup you can try one of those two projects, or
> you can look at another screen reader called yasr which also can use
> software speech.
> Hth.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ryan Mcmanomy" <rmcmanomy@k-inc.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 5:55 PM
> Subject: Speakup.
> 
> 
> > Hello what does it take to run Speakup?
> > Do you have to have one of those expensive synthesizers.
> > Or cam you run it from the sound card like Jaws.
> > Thanks!!
> >
> >
> > ---
> > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses as a service to Keeling Inc.
> Customers]
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: Speakup.

[Tom and Esther Ward]

Hi, Ryan.
To get the best use out of speakup you really need a hardware synth, but
there are projects going to make software dectalk modules and festival
modules  for software speech and speakup.
If you really want to use speakup you can try one of those two projects, or
you can look at another screen reader called yasr which also can use
software speech.
Hth.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan Mcmanomy" <rmcmanomy@k-inc.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 5:55 PM
Subject: Speakup.


> Hello what does it take to run Speakup?
> Do you have to have one of those expensive synthesizers.
> Or cam you run it from the sound card like Jaws.
> Thanks!!
>
>
> ---
> [This E-mail was scanned for viruses as a service to Keeling Inc.
Customers]
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Speakup.

[Ryan Mcmanomy]

Hello what does it take to run Speakup?
Do you have to have one of those expensive synthesizers.
Or cam you run it from the sound card like Jaws.
Thanks!!


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Re: speakup

[Steve Holmes]

Where do I begin? There's some online configuration ability such as
speech rate, pitch, punctuation levels; revampped key mapping feature;
cursor tracking is much better for editing (for some things it's
harder to track now but hopefully that will be fixed some day); and
the biggest thing of all, speakup is modular now - main speakup and
synth drivers can be loaded as modules and is compatible with the new
2.6 kernel.

I may have missed some things but the current CVS version is well
worth the effort.  I don't run the production 1.5 version on any of my
working machines now.

On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 01:04:10AM -0700, Juan Hernandez wrote:
> Hi,
> 
>     I've not been keeping up on with speakup lately, what is new? what is the latest version? has the cursoring problem been resolved?  Thanks
> 
> Juan
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speakup

[Juan Hernandez]

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Hi,

    I've not been keeping up on with speakup lately, what is new? what is the latest version? has the cursoring problem been resolved?  Thanks

Juan

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RE: speakup

[Geoff Shang]

On Mon, 5 Feb 2001, Brent Harding wrote:

> I thought the speakup patching was only one command, not really needing a
> script.
> patch -p0 < speakup-version.patch from /usr/src.

Not anymore.

Geoff.

RE: speakup

[Brent Harding]

I thought the speakup patching was only one command, not really needing a
script.
patch -p0 < speakup-version.patch from /usr/src.
At 07:40 AM 2/5/01 -0700, you wrote:
>If you plan to write a manual for speakup, then make sure that you write it
>in the simplest non-computer/technical language possible.  Remember, that
>your biggest audience will be those that are most likely brand new to Linux.
>Yep, you are  going to have to write the "See Dick run!" version of the
>speakup manual for those people new to the world of Linux.
>
>Good luck!
>
>
>
>Stephen Dawes B.A. B.Sc.
>Web Business Office, The City of Calgary
>PHONE:  (403) 268-5527. FAX: (403) 268-6423
>E-MAIL ADDRESS:  sdawes@gov.calgary.ab.ca
>
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
>> [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Thomas Ward
>> Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 3:28 PM
>> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> Subject: Re: speakup
>>
>>
>> Hello, Tyler. I think you have somewhat of a point about the
>> documentation.
>> However, since the .10 release Speakups patch install has gotten much much
>> better than doing it manually.
>> I will tell you what. What Speakup really needs at this point is a fully
>> well developed manual. That instructs new users how to get speakup, patch
>> the kernel, and build a personal Kernel, custumizing Speakup, etc. Once I
>> get my Red Hat box up and going with my new processer, and a
>> couple of other
>> things out of the way I will start working on writing a manual
>> for Speakup.
>> I think that would help everyone on this list out by directing
>> new users to
>> that for basic questions, and then if they have questions about the manual
>> give a more complete answer on list.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tyler Spivey" <tyler@wapvi.bc.ca>
>> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 8:21 PM
>> Subject: speakup
>>
>>
>> > come on... you need to provide manual patch instructions for people that
>> don't like running installation shell scripts. that is mean.
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Speakup mailing list
>> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>

Re: speakup

[Tommy Moore]

Actually I have done a windows install script and it works nicely.
heh.

RE: speakup

[Stephen Dawes]

If you plan to write a manual for speakup, then make sure that you write it
in the simplest non-computer/technical language possible.  Remember, that
your biggest audience will be those that are most likely brand new to Linux.
Yep, you are  going to have to write the "See Dick run!" version of the
speakup manual for those people new to the world of Linux.

Good luck!



Stephen Dawes B.A. B.Sc.
Web Business Office, The City of Calgary
PHONE:  (403) 268-5527. FAX: (403) 268-6423
E-MAIL ADDRESS:  sdawes@gov.calgary.ab.ca




> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Thomas Ward
> Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 3:28 PM
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: Re: speakup
>
>
> Hello, Tyler. I think you have somewhat of a point about the
> documentation.
> However, since the .10 release Speakups patch install has gotten much much
> better than doing it manually.
> I will tell you what. What Speakup really needs at this point is a fully
> well developed manual. That instructs new users how to get speakup, patch
> the kernel, and build a personal Kernel, custumizing Speakup, etc. Once I
> get my Red Hat box up and going with my new processer, and a
> couple of other
> things out of the way I will start working on writing a manual
> for Speakup.
> I think that would help everyone on this list out by directing
> new users to
> that for basic questions, and then if they have questions about the manual
> give a more complete answer on list.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tyler Spivey" <tyler@wapvi.bc.ca>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 8:21 PM
> Subject: speakup
>
>
> > come on... you need to provide manual patch instructions for people that
> don't like running installation shell scripts. that is mean.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

RE: speakup

[Holmes, Steve]

Just out of curiosity, I took a look at the install script for speakup and
got rather lost! I'm grateful for the install script in this situation.
Install scripts aren't all bad.  At least we can look at and attempt to
follow the linux ones.  Try and do that with the automated installs for
windblows.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gregory Nowak [mailto:romualt@megsinet.net]
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 10:59 AM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: speakup


Great idea. As it is, I've downloaded the 2.2.18 kernel, and was waiting for
enough time to sit down and build it. I was going to ask the list later on
about how to patch it with speakup 0.10. If somebody would be willing to
answer that question at this time, I'll save your reply and work on it as
time permits. Oh yes, step-by-step instructions on patching the kernel with
speakup would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Greg


----- Original Message -----
From: Thomas Ward <tward@bright.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: speakup


> Hello, Tyler. I think you have somewhat of a point about the
documentation.
> However, since the .10 release Speakups patch install has gotten much much
> better than doing it manually.
> I will tell you what. What Speakup really needs at this point is a fully
> well developed manual. That instructs new users how to get speakup, patch
> the kernel, and build a personal Kernel, custumizing Speakup, etc. Once I
> get my Red Hat box up and going with my new processer, and a couple of
other
> things out of the way I will start working on writing a manual  for
Speakup.
> I think that would help everyone on this list out by directing new users
to
> that for basic questions, and then if they have questions about the manual
> give a more complete answer on list.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tyler Spivey" <tyler@wapvi.bc.ca>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 8:21 PM
> Subject: speakup
>
>
> > come on... you need to provide manual patch instructions for people that
> don't like running installation shell scripts. that is mean.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>


_______________________________________________
Speakup mailing list
Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: speakup

[Geoff Shang]

On Sun, 4 Feb 2001, Brent Harding wrote:

> How can I upgrade an already patched kernel to the new speakup? I'm running
> rh 6.2, and my kernel source is already patched.

To answer your question literally, you can't.  You have to unpack a fresh
tree and repatch.  This is the way it goes, sorry.  speakup is designed to
patch against a fresh tree, not against older versions of itself.

Here's what you need to do.  Note that if you're upgrading from 0.09 to
0.10 then the procedure will be different than if you're upgrading from
0.10 to CVS.  I'm assuming you're upgrading from 0.09 to 0.10 because of
how old your system install is.  Let me know if this is not the case.

OK, you're probably running redhat's kernel 2.2.16 (or something older) and
speakup 0.09.  Speakup 0.10 requires that you be running kernel 2.2.18 or
above or kernel 2.4.0test10 or above.  I'd recommend 2.2.18 unless 2.2.19
is out.  Now you can get 2.2.18 from ftp.kernel.org or you can get one of
the redhat packaged sources (if there are any for 2.2.18).  I'm not certain
of how to compile with the redhat sources, though bill assures me that this
is definitely possible.  If you choose to go this route and something
listed below doesn't work, consult with bill.

Get linux-2.2.18.tar.gz or linux-2.2.18.tar.bz2 from kernel.org or mirror.

Place the file in /usr/src.

If you have previously compiled a kernel and would like to keep your
current settings, move /usr/src/linux/.config (that's dot config in the
linux sources directory) out of the way, somewhere safe.  If you want to
keep this source tree (see next point), you may just want to copy it
somewhere else rather than move it, as you will then have the settings
still in place for that tree.

If you wish to retain your previous source tree for whatever reason, move
the /usr/src/linux directory somewhere else so that it doesn't get written
over (e.g. mv linux linux-2.2.16 or whatever).  If you don't want to keep
it, delete it.  The unpack will not replace what is already there, so
either way it needs to be out of the way or you get ummm. a mess.

Unpack the kernel source.  If you got the gz file type:

tar -zxf linux-2.2.18.tar.gz

If you got the bzip2 version type:

tar -Ixf linux-2.2.18.tar.bz2

Note that recent versions of tar use j or J instead of I apparently, though
mine uses I still.

If you want to see a list of files as they unpack, add the 'v' option.
Note that this is a *lot* of files so you might be quite happy not to watch
them scroll by.

Next, read /usr/src/linux/READMe if you haven't already.

Now download speakup-0.10a.tar.gz from ftp.linux-speakup.org.

Place speakup-0.10a.tar.gz in /usr/src.

Unpack speakup with

tar -zxf speakup-0.10a.tar.gz

Again, add the -v option if you want to see what gets unpacked.  This will
unpack files to /usr/src/speakup-0.10/

Now read the file INSTALLATION and possibly README in the speakup-0.10
directory (if you haven't read
them already).  Read INSTALLATION anyway, since it has changed from
previous versions.  This is in case I forget something important.

Next, run the install script that is in /usr/src/speakup-0.10.  If you are
in that directory, type:

./install

If not, type:

speakup-0.10/install

This will go and patch the kernel.  If hunks fail then you have a problem
and we need to see the exact output of this.

Assuming all hunks succeed, change to /usr/src/linux and type:

make mrproper

Now, get that .config file you saved (if you saved one) and move it back
into /usr/src/linux.  Now type:

make oldconfig

If you want to make substantial changes to your answers since last time, do
'make config' instead and change as necessary.  Now go ahead and do:

make dep
make clean
make bzImage
make modules
make modules_install

What you do next depends on your preference and what school you went to.  I
do 'make bzlilo' and I'm done.  Depending on your distro or the phases of
the moon, you may want or need to do something else.  consult with other
redhat gurus at this point.  Either way, make sure you have your old image
to fall back on if it fails.

Now, make an entry in your lilo.conf for your old image in case it all
blows up if there isn't one there already.  Run lilo again to install the
changes you made to /etc/lilo.conf (if you made any).  Then cross your
fingers and reboot.

Geoff.

Re: speakup

[Shaun Oliver]

Hi there. when I eventually learn speakup, I'll consider creating an audip
tutorial.. I know how hard it is to find good help these days.
It appears to me that the people on this list are dedicated to helping one
another out. unlike some other people I use to know.. but, enough of my
pontificating, when I learn speakup and am competent in it's operation, I'll
endevour to create an audio tutorial..
Shaun..

----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Ward" <tward@bright.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: speakup


> Hi, Shawn. I was planning on that. It only makes sence to have a seperate
> manual.
> I've also conciddered doing a audio titorial instruction cd like that of
JFW
> for Speakup, but haven't had the time on my hands to do it.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Shaun Oliver" <shauno@sgtnet.com.au>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 4:41 AM
> Subject: Re: speakup
>
>
> >     Hi Tom,
> > I feel that a manual for speakup would be an excellent idea. just a
small
> > suggestion, why not write it as a seperate document so that it can be
> > downloaded and reviewed before installing linux and speakup. that would
be
> a
> > great help to newbys like me.
> > Shaun.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Thomas Ward" <tward@bright.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 9:27 AM
> > Subject: Re: speakup
> >
> >
> > > Hello, Tyler. I think you have somewhat of a point about the
> > documentation.
> > > However, since the .10 release Speakups patch install has gotten much
> much
> > > better than doing it manually.
> > > I will tell you what. What Speakup really needs at this point is a
fully
> > > well developed manual. That instructs new users how to get speakup,
> patch
> > > the kernel, and build a personal Kernel, custumizing Speakup, etc.
Once
> I
> > > get my Red Hat box up and going with my new processer, and a couple of
> > other
> > > things out of the way I will start working on writing a manual  for
> > Speakup.
> > > I think that would help everyone on this list out by directing new
users
> > to
> > > that for basic questions, and then if they have questions about the
> manual
> > > give a more complete answer on list.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Tyler Spivey" <tyler@wapvi.bc.ca>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 8:21 PM
> > > Subject: speakup
> > >
> > >
> > > > come on... you need to provide manual patch instructions for people
> that
> > > don't like running installation shell scripts. that is mean.
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: speakup

[Thomas Ward]

Hi, Shawn. I was planning on that. It only makes sence to have a seperate
manual.
I've also conciddered doing a audio titorial instruction cd like that of JFW
for Speakup, but haven't had the time on my hands to do it.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Oliver" <shauno@sgtnet.com.au>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 4:41 AM
Subject: Re: speakup


>     Hi Tom,
> I feel that a manual for speakup would be an excellent idea. just a small
> suggestion, why not write it as a seperate document so that it can be
> downloaded and reviewed before installing linux and speakup. that would be
a
> great help to newbys like me.
> Shaun.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Thomas Ward" <tward@bright.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 9:27 AM
> Subject: Re: speakup
>
>
> > Hello, Tyler. I think you have somewhat of a point about the
> documentation.
> > However, since the .10 release Speakups patch install has gotten much
much
> > better than doing it manually.
> > I will tell you what. What Speakup really needs at this point is a fully
> > well developed manual. That instructs new users how to get speakup,
patch
> > the kernel, and build a personal Kernel, custumizing Speakup, etc. Once
I
> > get my Red Hat box up and going with my new processer, and a couple of
> other
> > things out of the way I will start working on writing a manual  for
> Speakup.
> > I think that would help everyone on this list out by directing new users
> to
> > that for basic questions, and then if they have questions about the
manual
> > give a more complete answer on list.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tyler Spivey" <tyler@wapvi.bc.ca>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 8:21 PM
> > Subject: speakup
> >
> >
> > > come on... you need to provide manual patch instructions for people
that
> > don't like running installation shell scripts. that is mean.
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: speakup

[Janina Sajka]

Well, you'll need to recompile the kernel. But, it doesn't need to be as
painful a process as it was the first time. Here's what I'd do:

1.)	Save your .config file to a safe place. I cp mine to
/usr/src/config-2.x.y;

2.)	Delete your existing kernel tree, and create a fresh one;

3.)	Run the Speakup checkout script;

4.)	Copy the file you saved to a safe location in Step #1 above to
/usr/src/linux/.config;

5.)	Edit this .config file with your favorite editor. Do not change
values. If you want to change anything, just delete the complete line for
that thing. In particular, delete the lines that talk about Speakup. Save
this edited .config when you're done deleting things;

6.) Run make oldconfig and answer the questions. You'll be asked about the
things you deleted. The rest of your .config will simply be used as it was
before;

7.)	Finish up as before, with make dep, bzImage, etc.

As Kirk says in the Speakup INSTALLATION file, running make config is the
tedious part. The good news is that you don't need to do that over again
to upgrade your Speakup. That's the beauty of make oldconfig.


 On
Sun, 4 Feb 2001, Brent Harding wrote:

> How can I upgrade an already patched kernel to the new speakup? I'm running
> rh 6.2, and my kernel source is already patched.
> At 08:47 AM 2/4/01 -0500, you wrote:
> >Pardon my ignorance, but isn't all the information required to patch
> >manually already present in the script? If one is feeling like doing it by
> >hand, doesn't one simply read the script to discover the appropriate
> >sequence of commands to type?
> >
> >What was that spaghetti sauce commercial? Something like: "It's already in
> >there!"
> >
> >
> >On Sat, 3 Feb 2001, Tommy Moore wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Heh, well if you don't like it then figure it out yourself.
> >> We've tried to make the install process for speakup as easy as possible
> and if you don't like it, go use something else.
> >>
> >> On Sat, Feb 03, 2001 at 05:21:04PM -0800, Tyler Spivey wrote:
> >> > come on... you need to provide manual patch instructions for people
> that don't like running installation shell scripts. that is mean.
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > Speakup mailing list
> >> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >>
> >
> >--
> >
> >				Janina Sajka, Director
> >				Technology Research and Development
> >				Governmental Relations Group
> >				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> >janina@afb.net
> >(202) 408-8175
> >http://www.afb.org/gov.html
> >
> >
> >The invention of the printing press has been named the crowning
> >achievement of the past millennium. Yet, electronic publishing will soon
> >eclipse it. Read our White Paper: "Surpassing Gutenberg" available at:
> >
> >	http://www.afb.org/ebook.html
> >
> >Are you developing software? Make it accessible to blind computer users.
> >Read http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html to learn how.
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

-- 

				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

janina@afb.net
(202) 408-8175
http://www.afb.org/gov.html


The invention of the printing press has been named the crowning
achievement of the past millennium. Yet, electronic publishing will soon
eclipse it. Read our White Paper: "Surpassing Gutenberg" available at:

	http://www.afb.org/ebook.html

Are you developing software? Make it accessible to blind computer users.
Read http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html to learn how.

Re: speakup

[Thomas Ward]

Hello, Tyler. I think you have somewhat of a point about the documentation.
However, since the .10 release Speakups patch install has gotten much much
better than doing it manually.
I will tell you what. What Speakup really needs at this point is a fully
well developed manual. That instructs new users how to get speakup, patch
the kernel, and build a personal Kernel, custumizing Speakup, etc. Once I
get my Red Hat box up and going with my new processer, and a couple of other
things out of the way I will start working on writing a manual  for Speakup.
I think that would help everyone on this list out by directing new users to
that for basic questions, and then if they have questions about the manual
give a more complete answer on list.




----- Original Message -----
From: "Tyler Spivey" <tyler@wapvi.bc.ca>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 8:21 PM
Subject: speakup


> come on... you need to provide manual patch instructions for people that
don't like running installation shell scripts. that is mean.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: speakup

[Brent Harding]

How can I upgrade an already patched kernel to the new speakup? I'm running
rh 6.2, and my kernel source is already patched.
At 08:47 AM 2/4/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Pardon my ignorance, but isn't all the information required to patch
>manually already present in the script? If one is feeling like doing it by
>hand, doesn't one simply read the script to discover the appropriate
>sequence of commands to type?
>
>What was that spaghetti sauce commercial? Something like: "It's already in
>there!"
>
>
>On Sat, 3 Feb 2001, Tommy Moore wrote:
>
>
>> Heh, well if you don't like it then figure it out yourself.
>> We've tried to make the install process for speakup as easy as possible
and if you don't like it, go use something else.
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 03, 2001 at 05:21:04PM -0800, Tyler Spivey wrote:
>> > come on... you need to provide manual patch instructions for people
that don't like running installation shell scripts. that is mean.
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Speakup mailing list
>> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>
>-- 
>
>				Janina Sajka, Director
>				Technology Research and Development
>				Governmental Relations Group
>				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
>janina@afb.net
>(202) 408-8175
>http://www.afb.org/gov.html
>
>
>The invention of the printing press has been named the crowning
>achievement of the past millennium. Yet, electronic publishing will soon
>eclipse it. Read our White Paper: "Surpassing Gutenberg" available at:
>
>	http://www.afb.org/ebook.html
>
>Are you developing software? Make it accessible to blind computer users.
>Read http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html to learn how.
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>

Re: speakup

[Gregory Nowak]

Great idea. As it is, I've downloaded the 2.2.18 kernel, and was waiting for
enough time to sit down and build it. I was going to ask the list later on
about how to patch it with speakup 0.10. If somebody would be willing to
answer that question at this time, I'll save your reply and work on it as
time permits. Oh yes, step-by-step instructions on patching the kernel with
speakup would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Greg


----- Original Message -----
From: Thomas Ward <tward@bright.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: speakup


> Hello, Tyler. I think you have somewhat of a point about the
documentation.
> However, since the .10 release Speakups patch install has gotten much much
> better than doing it manually.
> I will tell you what. What Speakup really needs at this point is a fully
> well developed manual. That instructs new users how to get speakup, patch
> the kernel, and build a personal Kernel, custumizing Speakup, etc. Once I
> get my Red Hat box up and going with my new processer, and a couple of
other
> things out of the way I will start working on writing a manual  for
Speakup.
> I think that would help everyone on this list out by directing new users
to
> that for basic questions, and then if they have questions about the manual
> give a more complete answer on list.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tyler Spivey" <tyler@wapvi.bc.ca>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 8:21 PM
> Subject: speakup
>
>
> > come on... you need to provide manual patch instructions for people that
> don't like running installation shell scripts. that is mean.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: speakup

[Tommy Moore]

Hi.
Actually that's a pretty good idea, but right now there's only a few people working on speakup.
Heh, lets see if I can think of all the contributers to speakup and the tasks that they've taken up.
Kirk main developer who does the programming along with Jim and Andy, Bill who handles the redhat specific issues with speakup, Joe who handles the slackware side of things, and myself who handles debian install processes with minor help from others mainly because the debian modification process is much more painful to atempt, but once its done everyhing works nicely.


On Sun, Feb 04, 2001 at 05:27:46PM -0500, Thomas Ward wrote:
> Hello, Tyler. I think you have somewhat of a point about the documentation.
> However, since the .10 release Speakups patch install has gotten much much
> better than doing it manually.
> I will tell you what. What Speakup really needs at this point is a fully
> well developed manual. That instructs new users how to get speakup, patch
> the kernel, and build a personal Kernel, custumizing Speakup, etc. Once I
> get my Red Hat box up and going with my new processer, and a couple of other
> things out of the way I will start working on writing a manual  for Speakup.
> I think that would help everyone on this list out by directing new users to
> that for basic questions, and then if they have questions about the manual
> give a more complete answer on list.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tyler Spivey" <tyler@wapvi.bc.ca>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 8:21 PM
> Subject: speakup
> 
> 
> > come on... you need to provide manual patch instructions for people that
> don't like running installation shell scripts. that is mean.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: speakup

[Janina Sajka]

Pardon my ignorance, but isn't all the information required to patch
manually already present in the script? If one is feeling like doing it by
hand, doesn't one simply read the script to discover the appropriate
sequence of commands to type?

What was that spaghetti sauce commercial? Something like: "It's already in
there!"


On Sat, 3 Feb 2001, Tommy Moore wrote:


> Heh, well if you don't like it then figure it out yourself.
> We've tried to make the install process for speakup as easy as possible and if you don't like it, go use something else.
>
> On Sat, Feb 03, 2001 at 05:21:04PM -0800, Tyler Spivey wrote:
> > come on... you need to provide manual patch instructions for people that don't like running installation shell scripts. that is mean.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

-- 

				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

janina@afb.net
(202) 408-8175
http://www.afb.org/gov.html


The invention of the printing press has been named the crowning
achievement of the past millennium. Yet, electronic publishing will soon
eclipse it. Read our White Paper: "Surpassing Gutenberg" available at:

	http://www.afb.org/ebook.html

Are you developing software? Make it accessible to blind computer users.
Read http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html to learn how.

Re: speakup

[Shaun Oliver]

    Hi Tom,
I feel that a manual for speakup would be an excellent idea. just a small
suggestion, why not write it as a seperate document so that it can be
downloaded and reviewed before installing linux and speakup. that would be a
great help to newbys like me.
Shaun.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Ward" <tward@bright.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: speakup


> Hello, Tyler. I think you have somewhat of a point about the
documentation.
> However, since the .10 release Speakups patch install has gotten much much
> better than doing it manually.
> I will tell you what. What Speakup really needs at this point is a fully
> well developed manual. That instructs new users how to get speakup, patch
> the kernel, and build a personal Kernel, custumizing Speakup, etc. Once I
> get my Red Hat box up and going with my new processer, and a couple of
other
> things out of the way I will start working on writing a manual  for
Speakup.
> I think that would help everyone on this list out by directing new users
to
> that for basic questions, and then if they have questions about the manual
> give a more complete answer on list.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tyler Spivey" <tyler@wapvi.bc.ca>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 8:21 PM
> Subject: speakup
>
>
> > come on... you need to provide manual patch instructions for people that
> don't like running installation shell scripts. that is mean.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: speakup

[Shaun Oliver]

                        Well I've got an idea, Why don't  you just remove
the shell installation script yourself if you don't like it.
I assume you know how to script? If you don't I suggest you learn and stop
bitching.. Oh well, you can please some of the prople some of the time but,
you can't please all of the people all of the time..
and while I'm on it, I'd like to agree with an earlier message re cakewalk
and comparable audio editers for linux. I personally would still need to use
windblows for my music exploits but as for server and security issues, I
feel that linux would be great..
I would suggest that you should never burn all your bridges yet as there
isn't a comparable screen review package available for the gui interface of
linux just yet..
Anyway, enough of my waffling, I've had my gripe hehehe..
Shaun
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tyler Spivey" <tyler@wapvi.bc.ca>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 12:21 PM
Subject: speakup


> come on... you need to provide manual patch instructions for people that
don't like running installation shell scripts. that is mean.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: speakup

[Geoff Shang]

Hi:

Well, if you don't like running install scripts, then perhaps you should
take a look at it.  It's not a simple procedure.  You could type all the
commands by hand if you want, but I wouldn't.

Geoff.

Re: speakup

[Kirk Wood]

I have an idea. Open the script up in a text editor and look at the
commands. They are a great step by step process on how to manually patch
your kernel. If you understand the syntax, you can't find a better set of
instructions. If you don't understand the syntax, then perhaps you might
like to learn. If you don't want to learn perhaps you can take what you
get.

You could look at any of the solutions for winblows. You get an automatic
setup. If you don't like that you can go buy a different automated
setup. At least here you have an option of changing something you
don't like.

=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net

Nothing is hard if you know the answer or are used to doing it.

Re: speakup

[Buddy Brannan]

Heh. Just proves ya can't please everyone, I guess. Back in the days
before history (or at least, before 0.10), you did have to patch
manually...and so, "Hey, let's create an install script!" "What a great
idea!" And so it was done. I like it myself, actually. 

So, umm, instead of saying, "You need to do X, Y, or Z", why not try, oh,
I dunno, discussing how things might be better done with people who know
how to do it, rather than saying that something "should be done" because
not doing it is "mean". Or how about doing the thing that you want done if
you know how? That's the wunnerful thing about the GPL. You can do that
sort of thing. Course, what do I know? I'm jus a simple user type who
likes Speakup and appreciates the work that's being done on it by people
who are more smarter than I am. So how about helping out instead of
pissing and moaning about it, eh? 

'K, I'm crawlin back under my rock. Anyone else wanna come, too?


-- 
Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV    | I choose you to take up all of my time.
Email: davros@ycardz.com | I choose you because you're funny and kind
Phone: (972) 276-6360    | I want easy people from now on.
                         | --the Nields

Re: speakup

[Tommy Moore]

Heh, well if you don't like it then figure it out yourself.
We've tried to make the install process for speakup as easy as possible and if you don't like it, go use something else.

On Sat, Feb 03, 2001 at 05:21:04PM -0800, Tyler Spivey wrote:
> come on... you need to provide manual patch instructions for people that don't like running installation shell scripts. that is mean.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

speakup

[Tyler Spivey]

come on... you need to provide manual patch instructions for people that don't like running installation shell scripts. that is mean.