dropline-gnome accessibility

dropline-gnome accessibility

[Jude DaShiell]

I'll try to help out as much as possible and wish I could be more helpful 
by now than I can.  droplinegnome is the only slackware 3rd party gnome 
that's mostly keeping current with the real gnome versions. 
droplinegnome can be installed by downloading the droplinegnome-installer 
from http://www.droplinegnome.org and running it as root.  droplinegnome 
does have orca as part of its distribution and just using the installer 
will get you only the latest versions of all packages.  Unfortunately, 
droplinegnome does not include the speech-tools or festival packages or 
the necessary add-ons from festvox.org. I've been trying to build both on 
a kernel 2.4x system here without much luck.  I'll try again in my home 
directory since it has more space and maybe they'll build then. 
gnome-speech is also included in droplinegnome but since festival wasn't 
available on my machine when I installed droplinegnome it built in such a 
way that it excluded all speech servers like festival.  So first get 
speech-tools and festival built and working then install droplinegnome and 
if all works orca will talk on your end.

Re: dropline-gnome accessibility

[Zachary Kline]

Hiya,
    I suppose that Gnome really isn't absolutely necesary.  I've heard some 
technical complaints about Dropline.  One of those seems to be that it 
installs PAM, which isn't really something I'm familiar with.  From what I 
gather, it complicates traditional ways of doing things considerably.
Thanks for your help.  I'll try and see what happens, maybe.
All the best,
Zack.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jude DaShiell" <jdashiel@shellworld.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 3:55 PM
Subject: dropline-gnome accessibility


> I'll try to help out as much as possible and wish I could be more helpful
> by now than I can.  droplinegnome is the only slackware 3rd party gnome
> that's mostly keeping current with the real gnome versions.
> droplinegnome can be installed by downloading the droplinegnome-installer
> from http://www.droplinegnome.org and running it as root.  droplinegnome
> does have orca as part of its distribution and just using the installer
> will get you only the latest versions of all packages.  Unfortunately,
> droplinegnome does not include the speech-tools or festival packages or
> the necessary add-ons from festvox.org. I've been trying to build both on
> a kernel 2.4x system here without much luck.  I'll try again in my home
> directory since it has more space and maybe they'll build then.
> gnome-speech is also included in droplinegnome but since festival wasn't
> available on my machine when I installed droplinegnome it built in such a
> way that it excluded all speech servers like festival.  So first get
> speech-tools and festival built and working then install droplinegnome and
> if all works orca will talk on your end.
>
>
>
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> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: dropline-gnome accessibility

[Doug Sutherland]

I went through a pam install from source on slackware recently
because the new free vmware server will not work without it.
It was annoying to get working initially because the pam config
provided by vmware was not compatible with the pam built 
from source. Apparently most distros have pam but slack does
not. Not sure how much it complicates thing altogether but for
getting vmware working, once it was configured properly it 
was not a problem at all for me. PAM is an authentication 
system, so yes it does complicate authentication. Vmware 
uses it for authenticating access to those vmware processes
over that funky local network it creates. More info on pam
here

http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/

I don't know much about gnome because I've been very 
interested in it.

  -- Doug


Zach wrote:
 I've heard some technical complaints about Dropline.  One of those 
seems to be that it installs PAM, which isn't really something I'm 
familiar with.  From what I gather, it complicates traditional ways of 
doing things considerably.

Re: dropline-gnome accessibility

[Zachary Kline]

Hiya,
    I read somewhere today actually that VMWare server didn't actually 
require PAM, that it was a common misconception?  I confess I can't remember 
the article I read that in, but I'll try to find it and get back to you.
Thanks,
Zack.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Sutherland" <doug@proficio.ca>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: dropline-gnome accessibility


>I went through a pam install from source on slackware recently
> because the new free vmware server will not work without it.
> It was annoying to get working initially because the pam config
> provided by vmware was not compatible with the pam built
> from source. Apparently most distros have pam but slack does
> not. Not sure how much it complicates thing altogether but for
> getting vmware working, once it was configured properly it
> was not a problem at all for me. PAM is an authentication
> system, so yes it does complicate authentication. Vmware
> uses it for authenticating access to those vmware processes
> over that funky local network it creates. More info on pam
> here
>
> http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/
>
> I don't know much about gnome because I've been very
> interested in it.
>
>  -- Doug
>
>
> Zach wrote:
> I've heard some technical complaints about Dropline.  One of those
> seems to be that it installs PAM, which isn't really something I'm
> familiar with.  From what I gather, it complicates traditional ways of
> doing things considerably.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: dropline-gnome accessibility

[Doug Sutherland]

Hmm, yes this seems to say the same thing, it states
On Slackware, VMware Server requires the sysvinit directories and 
the PAM directory as a placeholder. You do not need to install PAM

http://slackworld.berlios.de/2007/vmware.html

I'm not very happy with vmware's assumption that a system will use
system v init and also have pam. Vmware can do better than that.
And regarding pam, it appears to be something that if approached
haphazardly could be a tad dangerous, security wise.

  -- Doug