RE: speakup and emacspeak

RE: speakup and emacspeak

[Doug]

Unfortunately IBM no longer offers ViaVoice TTS (Text to Speech)
for Linux as a download, and the linux development of ViaVoice
is stopped, the product is pretty much dead (on linux). This is
a shame because ViaVoice TTS sounds really nice.

The festival home page is here:
http://www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/projects/festival/

And the download page is here:
http://festvox.org/packed/festival/1.4.3/

There are many other places to find festival too, like at CMU.
For american english you can get a working synth with just these
five files:

http://festvox.org/packed/festival/1.4.3/speech_tools-1.2.3-release.tar.gz
http://festvox.org/packed/festival/1.4.3/festival-1.4.3-release.tar.gz
http://festvox.org/packed/festival/1.4.3/festvox_kallpc16k.tar.gz
http://festvox.org/packed/festival/1.4.3/festlex_POSLEX.tar.gz
http://festvox.org/packed/festival/1.4.3/festlex_CMU.tar.gz

   -- Doug

RE: speakup and emacspeak

[Dawes, Stephen]

There has been lots of talk about festival and viavoice as software
synths that work with linux over the last little while, so where can you
find them?


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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doug Sutherland [mailto:wearable@shawcable.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 1:30 AM
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: Re: speakup and emacspeak
> 
> 
> Chris wrote:
> 
>  > On the subject of ViaVoice, I've never been able to run it
>  > with alsa drivers.
> 
> I have, using OSS emulation in ALSA. If you load the modules 
> for OSS emulation, it supports /dev/audio, /dev/dsp, and 
> /dev/mixer, and behaves like a standard audio driver.
> 
>    -- Doug
> 
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Re: speakup and emacspeak

[Thomas D. Ward]

some distros such as Debian and Red Hat have packages for it, but if you
don't have a package you can get the source from:
www.festvox.org

----- Original Message -----
From: Dawes, Stephen <Stephen.Dawes@gov.calgary.ab.ca>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 9:54 AM
Subject: RE: speakup and emacspeak


There has been lots of talk about festival and viavoice as software
synths that work with linux over the last little while, so where can you
find them?


Stephen Dawes  <B.A., B.Sc.>
The City of Calgary                   |  Phone: (403) 268-5527
   Web Business Office #8300          |  Fax:   (403) 268-6423
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doug Sutherland [mailto:wearable@shawcable.com]
> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 1:30 AM
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: Re: speakup and emacspeak
>
>
> Chris wrote:
>
>  > On the subject of ViaVoice, I've never been able to run it
>  > with alsa drivers.
>
> I have, using OSS emulation in ALSA. If you load the modules
> for OSS emulation, it supports /dev/audio, /dev/dsp, and
> /dev/mixer, and behaves like a standard audio driver.
>
>    -- Doug
>
>
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Re: Speakup and Emacspeak.

[Ameer Armaly]

I've noticed, that when I create /dev/synth, and run emacspeak with the port
set to that and synth set to dtk-exp (what I have), it doesn't work, saying
that the port is busy.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Stivers" <stivers_t@tomass.dyndns.org>
To: "Speakup" <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: Speakup and Emacspeak.


On 09/08/03  3:14 PM +0100, Léonie Watson wrote:
[snip]
>
>     The typing echo is particularly awful. If I start to type in a
>     command in Emacspeak, I hear the first character repeated then a
>     series of "vertical bar, space, space etc." I'm nothing like
>     experienced enough to fathom any of this out and wonder if I'd be
>     better uninstalling Speakup temporarily whilst I get to grips with
>     Emacspeak?

You might try killing speakup by pressing the key just to the right of
f12 just before you start emacspeak. You can just press it again to
bring speakup back when you're not in emacspeak. Good luck.

--
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carefully than others.
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Re: Speakup and Emacspeak.

[Léonie Watson]

Ann,

    That's what I figured! Thanks for the confirmation and thanks also to
Thomas for telling me how.

Cheers,
Tink
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann Parsons" <akp@eznet.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 4:40 PM
Subject: Speakup and Emacspeak.


> Hi all,
>
> Turn off speakup in buffer where you're running emacspeak!  You're
> asking your poor puter to talk in doubletalk, no wonder it's upset,
> the poor little thing!
>
> Ann P.
>
> --
> Ann K. Parsons
> email:  akp@eznet.net
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Speakup and Emacspeak.

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

Turn off speakup in buffer where you're running emacspeak!  You're
asking your poor puter to talk in doubletalk, no wonder it's upset,
the poor little thing! 

Ann P.

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Re: Speakup and Emacspeak.

[Thomas Stivers]

On 09/08/03  3:14 PM +0100, Léonie Watson wrote:
[snip]
> 
>     The typing echo is particularly awful. If I start to type in a
>     command in Emacspeak, I hear the first character repeated then a
>     series of "vertical bar, space, space etc." I'm nothing like
>     experienced enough to fathom any of this out and wonder if I'd be
>     better uninstalling Speakup temporarily whilst I get to grips with
>     Emacspeak?

You might try killing speakup by pressing the key just to the right of
f12 just before you start emacspeak. You can just press it again to
bring speakup back when you're not in emacspeak. Good luck.

-- 
Unix is a user friendly operating system. It just picks its friends more
carefully than others.
Thomas Stivers	e-mail: stivers_t@tomass.dyndns.org	gpg: 45CBBABD

Speakup and Emacspeak.

[Léonie Watson]

All,

    Am I likely to experience problems if I use Emacspeak with Speakup
installed?

    The system is a Debian (testing) distro, with Speakup 1 and Emacspeak 17
running.

    I have yet to upgrade to more recent versions of both accessibility
technologies, but I'd like to clear up the problems I appear to be having.

    Text on the screen is often read two or three times, typing echo is more
or less unintelligible and navigation around a buffer is sketchy.

    The typing echo is particularly awful. If I start to type in a command
in Emacspeak, I hear the first character repeated then a series of "vertical
bar, space, space etc." I'm nothing like experienced enough to fathom any of
this out and wonder if I'd be better uninstalling Speakup temporarily whilst
I get to grips with Emacspeak?

    Any help appreciated.

Thanks,
Tink
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Re: speakup and emacspeak

[Thomas D. Ward]

There are better voices out there for flite.
Flite only comes with the 8 k voices which are really pore.

----- Original Message -----
From: Lorenzo Prince <lorenzo@princenet.sytes.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 6:37 AM
Subject: Re: speakup and emacspeak


> Too bad.  I thought viavoice sounded better than flite.   Unless of course
> someone can tell me of a better voice to compile into it and where I can
> get it.
>
> Lorenzo
>
> E Pluribus Unix
>
> Thomas D. Ward staggered into view and mumbled:
>
> > Well, Viavoice is a bit of a catch 22. IBM is no longer maintaining
> > viavoice, and  as I understand it people are not really allowed to
> > redistribute it any more. So end result is it has dried up on the net.
> > In all honesty since Outloud is not being maintained any more it's
rapidly
> > get out of date, and harder and harder to run on newer Linux systems. It
is
> > problably better to build something like flite with 16k voices, and
stick
> > with that.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Lorenzo Prince <lorenzo@princenet.sytes.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 6:58 PM
> > Subject: Re: speakup and emacspeak
> >
> >
> > > Where can I get Viavoice now?  IBM doesn't have it, and they don't
even
> > > seem to be selling it anywhere.  I really wanted to try this synth.
Can
> > > anyone help me?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Lorenzo
> > >
> > > E Pluribus Unix
> > >
> > > Thomas D. Ward staggered into view and mumbled:
> > >
> > > > Actually, I use viavoice, with emacspeak. I was just telling the
person
> > on
> > > > list if he wants to use his Express uner emacspeak he willhave to
> > completely
> > > > stop and restart Linux to use the express under emacspeak..
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Christopher Moore <christopher.h.moore@verizon.net>
> > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 8:24 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: speakup and emacspeak
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Thomas,
> > > > > Try running emacspeak with eflite. Then you can emacs in one
console
> > and
> > > > > speakup in another at the same time.  Emacspeak also supports
fonix, a
> > > > > software dectalk express (available for $50).
> > > > > End result is that speakup never vanishes to the point of being
able
> > to
> > > > use
> > > > > the com port for something else.
> > > > >
> > > > > Chris
> > > > > --
> > > > > The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (61% of Full)
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
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> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
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> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
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Re: speakup and emacspeak

[Christopher Moore]

Doug,
Results seems to vary by soundcard.  I was able to get viavoice running
with sblive using the native kernel supplied driver. It probably has
something to do with how Viavoice is implementing the OOSS interface.  I've
had no problems with any other OSS apps under alsa.  So for my
configuration Viavoice isa dead-end.  

Chris
On Sat, Apr 12, 2003 at 09:57:28AM +0200, Doug Sutherland wrote:
> It worked on an ESS Solo 1 and Crystal Sound Fusion.
> I have another machine with MediaGX, I will try it
> on that to see if it works.
> 
> Did you load all of the OSS modules? For me they did
> not load automatically, I had to add them in my init
> scripts (snd-pcm-oss, snd-mixer-oss, snd-seq-oss).
> For me, with those drivers loaded, I can run both
> native ALSA apps and regular OSS apps. Linux uses
> the OSS standard for its native audio driver.
> 
> I was even able to get two ESS Solo 1 sound cards
> working in the same machone with ALSA and OSS.
> 
>   -- Doug
> 
> 
> Chris wrote:
> > What kind of soundcard do you have?  I was unsuccessful with
> > an emu10k1 (sblive). 
> 
> 
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Re: speakup and emacspeak

[Christopher Moore]

Doug,
What kind of soundcard do you have?  I was unsuccessful with an emu10k1
(sblive).  
Chris
-- 
The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (77% of Full)

Re: speakup and emacspeak

[Christopher Moore]

I think we're on the right track toward getting speech to work with mutiple
apps concurrently.  Using a speech server may be the way to go.  Then
emacspeak and speakup could share the resource.  The server could connect
to either an external synth or a software synth.  We're not there yet, but
I see this as a plausible solution to the problem.  Now, if you want to run
emacspeak in one console and speakup everywhere else, you need two synths.  

On the subject of ViaVoice, I've never been able to run it with alsa
drivers.  And, as been pointed out, the product is not supported.  

Chris
-- 
The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (76% of Full)

Re: speakup and emacspeak

[Lorenzo Prince]

Too bad.  I thought viavoice sounded better than flite.   Unless of course
someone can tell me of a better voice to compile into it and where I can
get it.

Lorenzo

E Pluribus Unix

Thomas D. Ward staggered into view and mumbled:

> Well, Viavoice is a bit of a catch 22. IBM is no longer maintaining
> viavoice, and  as I understand it people are not really allowed to
> redistribute it any more. So end result is it has dried up on the net.
> In all honesty since Outloud is not being maintained any more it's rapidly
> get out of date, and harder and harder to run on newer Linux systems. It is
> problably better to build something like flite with 16k voices, and stick
> with that.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Lorenzo Prince <lorenzo@princenet.sytes.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 6:58 PM
> Subject: Re: speakup and emacspeak
>
>
> > Where can I get Viavoice now?  IBM doesn't have it, and they don't even
> > seem to be selling it anywhere.  I really wanted to try this synth.  Can
> > anyone help me?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Lorenzo
> >
> > E Pluribus Unix
> >
> > Thomas D. Ward staggered into view and mumbled:
> >
> > > Actually, I use viavoice, with emacspeak. I was just telling the person
> on
> > > list if he wants to use his Express uner emacspeak he willhave to
> completely
> > > stop and restart Linux to use the express under emacspeak..
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Christopher Moore <christopher.h.moore@verizon.net>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 8:24 PM
> > > Subject: Re: speakup and emacspeak
> > >
> > >
> > > > Thomas,
> > > > Try running emacspeak with eflite. Then you can emacs in one console
> and
> > > > speakup in another at the same time.  Emacspeak also supports fonix, a
> > > > software dectalk express (available for $50).
> > > > End result is that speakup never vanishes to the point of being able
> to
> > > use
> > > > the com port for something else.
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > > --
> > > > The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (61% of Full)
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
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> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
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>

Re: speakup and emacspeak

[Doug Sutherland]

It worked on an ESS Solo 1 and Crystal Sound Fusion.
I have another machine with MediaGX, I will try it
on that to see if it works.

Did you load all of the OSS modules? For me they did
not load automatically, I had to add them in my init
scripts (snd-pcm-oss, snd-mixer-oss, snd-seq-oss).
For me, with those drivers loaded, I can run both
native ALSA apps and regular OSS apps. Linux uses
the OSS standard for its native audio driver.

I was even able to get two ESS Solo 1 sound cards
working in the same machone with ALSA and OSS.

   -- Doug


Chris wrote:
 > What kind of soundcard do you have?  I was unsuccessful with
 > an emu10k1 (sblive). 

Re: speakup and emacspeak

[Doug Sutherland]

Chris wrote:

 > On the subject of ViaVoice, I've never been able to run it
 > with alsa drivers.

I have, using OSS emulation in ALSA. If you load the modules
for OSS emulation, it supports /dev/audio, /dev/dsp, and
/dev/mixer, and behaves like a standard audio driver.

   -- Doug

Re: speakup and emacspeak

[Adam Myrow]

I never tried this since I don't own a serial synthesizer.  I recall
somebody on this list got Emacspeak to run with their Dectalk Express by
running setserial to enable their serial port which Speakup snatches at
boot time and masks from the kernel.  Of course, you'd want to make sure
you had Speakup completely shut down with a printscreen, or it could
result in a huge mess.  I'd probably go with the software solution just
because it's safer, but if you really want the Dectalk Express to work,
and aren't afraid to experiment, give it a shot.

Re: speakup and emacspeak

[Thomas D. Ward]

Well, Viavoice is a bit of a catch 22. IBM is no longer maintaining
viavoice, and  as I understand it people are not really allowed to
redistribute it any more. So end result is it has dried up on the net.
In all honesty since Outloud is not being maintained any more it's rapidly
get out of date, and harder and harder to run on newer Linux systems. It is
problably better to build something like flite with 16k voices, and stick
with that.

----- Original Message -----
From: Lorenzo Prince <lorenzo@princenet.sytes.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: speakup and emacspeak


> Where can I get Viavoice now?  IBM doesn't have it, and they don't even
> seem to be selling it anywhere.  I really wanted to try this synth.  Can
> anyone help me?
>
> Thanks,
> Lorenzo
>
> E Pluribus Unix
>
> Thomas D. Ward staggered into view and mumbled:
>
> > Actually, I use viavoice, with emacspeak. I was just telling the person
on
> > list if he wants to use his Express uner emacspeak he willhave to
completely
> > stop and restart Linux to use the express under emacspeak..
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Christopher Moore <christopher.h.moore@verizon.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 8:24 PM
> > Subject: Re: speakup and emacspeak
> >
> >
> > > Thomas,
> > > Try running emacspeak with eflite. Then you can emacs in one console
and
> > > speakup in another at the same time.  Emacspeak also supports fonix, a
> > > software dectalk express (available for $50).
> > > End result is that speakup never vanishes to the point of being able
to
> > use
> > > the com port for something else.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > > --
> > > The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (61% of Full)
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
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Re: speakup and emacspeak

[Lorenzo Prince]

Where can I get Viavoice now?  IBM doesn't have it, and they don't even
seem to be selling it anywhere.  I really wanted to try this synth.  Can
anyone help me?

Thanks,
Lorenzo

E Pluribus Unix

Thomas D. Ward staggered into view and mumbled:

> Actually, I use viavoice, with emacspeak. I was just telling the person on
> list if he wants to use his Express uner emacspeak he willhave to completely
> stop and restart Linux to use the express under emacspeak..
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Christopher Moore <christopher.h.moore@verizon.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 8:24 PM
> Subject: Re: speakup and emacspeak
>
>
> > Thomas,
> > Try running emacspeak with eflite. Then you can emacs in one console and
> > speakup in another at the same time.  Emacspeak also supports fonix, a
> > software dectalk express (available for $50).
> > End result is that speakup never vanishes to the point of being able to
> use
> > the com port for something else.
> >
> > Chris
> > --
> > The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (61% of Full)
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: speakup and emacspeak

[Doug Sutherland]

Lorenzo:

 > Where can I get Viavoice now?

This is only the recognition engine, but try this page:
http://volker.dnsalias.net/linux/speechrec.html#vvgeneral

Try this link from that page:
https://www6.software.ibm.com/dl/viavoice/vvlinux-r?S_PKG=dl

This is the dictation (recognition) runtime kit.
I just tried downloading it from there. It is almost 80MB.

Unfortunately I don't see the TTS (text to speech)
synthesizer on their web site. It's really a shame
because I like the way it sounds.

The TTS runtime distribution file (rpm) is only
1258k and the and the sdk is 528k.
Write me offline.

   -- Doug

Re: speakup and emacspeak

[Doug Sutherland]

Thomas wrote:

 > Viavoice is a bit of a catch 22. <snip>
 > harder and harder to run on newer Linux systems.

Just FYI ViaVoice works find on Slackware 9.0.
To install, you can just do

rpm -ivh ViaVoice-package.rmp --nodeps --force

For me it worked right away. All you need to do
is source /etc/profile (because it writes a line
in there) or log out and back in.

I'm not sure why, but ViaVoice didn't work so
well on Slackware 8.1. I got it working but I
had to load some old C libraries, which I
snagged from Slackware 7.1. I was surprised to
see that ViaVoice worked right away on Slack9.
There must be some better backward compatibility
in the new C environment or something.

   -- Doug
  

Re: speakup and emacspeak

[Thomas D. Ward]

Actually, I use viavoice, with emacspeak. I was just telling the person on
list if he wants to use his Express uner emacspeak he willhave to completely
stop and restart Linux to use the express under emacspeak..

----- Original Message -----
From: Christopher Moore <christopher.h.moore@verizon.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: speakup and emacspeak


> Thomas,
> Try running emacspeak with eflite. Then you can emacs in one console and
> speakup in another at the same time.  Emacspeak also supports fonix, a
> software dectalk express (available for $50).
> End result is that speakup never vanishes to the point of being able to
use
> the com port for something else.
>
> Chris
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Re: speakup and emacspeak

[Christopher Moore]

Thomas,
Try running emacspeak with eflite. Then you can emacs in one console and
speakup in another at the same time.  Emacspeak also supports fonix, a
software dectalk express (available for $50).  
End result is that speakup never vanishes to the point of being able to use
the com port for something else.

Chris
-- 
The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (61% of Full)

Re: speakup and emacspeak

[Thomas D. Ward]

Hi, as I am a dectalk Express user myself I always have to reboot my RH 8.0
box without speakup inorder to be able to use my Dec with emacspeak. I am
sure the same is true under Slack.

----- Original Message -----
From: Christopher Moore <christopher.h.moore@verizon.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 4:01 PM
Subject: speakup and emacspeak


> I saw a couple posts on this subject last month, but I'm having the same
> problem getting emacspeak to work with a dec-express.  I'm running
> slackware 8.1 and have six virtual terminals running.  Even when I kill
> speakup with the <prt-scrn> key in all six consoles, I can't get the
> dtk-exp server to talk to the com port.  I could, of course, reboot
without
> speakup, but I was under the impression that speakup would close the com
> port when the prt-scrn key was pressed.  Am I missing something?
>
> Chris
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Re: speakup and emacspeak

[Christopher Moore]

Lorenzo,
Thanks for the info.  I stumbled upon a good solution: run emacspeak with a
software synth such as eflite.  

I'd still prefer the prtscrn key to free the comport although as long as we
understand what speakup is doing we can live with it.

Chris
-- 
The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (59% of Full)

Re: speakup and emacspeak

[Lorenzo Prince]

That is something to send to the Speakup developers, or else one of us who
knows about programming may be able to modify this behaviour.  Even when
you use the prntscrn key to kill Speakup, it unfortunately at this point
still leaves the synthesizer port open.  Therefore, when anything tries to
talk through the same port, it gets the proverbial busy signal.

Lorenzo

E Pluribus Unix

Christopher Moore staggered into view and mumbled:

> I saw a couple posts on this subject last month, but I'm having the same
> problem getting emacspeak to work with a dec-express.  I'm running
> slackware 8.1 and have six virtual terminals running.  Even when I kill
> speakup with the <prt-scrn> key in all six consoles, I can't get the
> dtk-exp server to talk to the com port.  I could, of course, reboot without
> speakup, but I was under the impression that speakup would close the com
> port when the prt-scrn key was pressed.  Am I missing something?
>
> Chris
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>
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> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

speakup and emacspeak

[Christopher Moore]

I saw a couple posts on this subject last month, but I'm having the same
problem getting emacspeak to work with a dec-express.  I'm running
slackware 8.1 and have six virtual terminals running.  Even when I kill
speakup with the <prt-scrn> key in all six consoles, I can't get the
dtk-exp server to talk to the com port.  I could, of course, reboot without
speakup, but I was under the impression that speakup would close the com
port when the prt-scrn key was pressed.  Am I missing something?

Chris
-- 
The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (59% of Full)

speakup and emacspeak

[Mirabella, Mathew J]

Hi all.

I would like to know how you can run emacspeak and speakup properly together on the same system.  I have both installed, and at this stage i only have a dec express.  emacspeak 17 from the rpm and speakup that comes in the red hat 8 kernal 2.4.18-24.8.0 on aan i686 pentium 4.  I have the dec in serial port 1 and a wave modem in serial port 0.

To get emacspeak working, i must boot the system with the dec off so speakup does not run, then i can run emacspeak.  if speakup starts up talking on boot... i cannot run emacspeak at all, even if i turn speakup off with insert-keypadEnter.  It says process speaker not running.  or some such error.  Is there an issue running them both with the same synth?

i also get an error running emacspeak as any other user than root.  can anyone help with this.

As an aside... I have installed the outloud via voice server for emacspeak, and intend to use it while using the dec express with speakup.  However, I have a sound blaster audigy 2 card in my system and am yet to install the right kernel modules for that.  I seem to be able to run emacspeak -o ok at this stage, albeit without sound.

one thing i have noticed.  the kernel seems to hang a bit while searching for the dec express... it boots ok if it cannot find the dec, but if i have the wave modem turned on and the dec off at the time of boot, the system seems to hang indefinatly... does anyone know about this?  Would it just be better to have another option in lilo to boot without the speakup_synth... option for when i want to do this?

Thanks for any help.

Mat.

Re: Speakup and Emacspeak

[Geoff Shang]

On Wed, 21 Feb 2001, Victor Tsaran wrote:

> Hi, Geoff!
> For whatever reason I thought that /dev/synth device was supposed to resolve
> this problem.  Wasn't that the case?

It is, but you need speech servers that use /dev/synth.  Hopefully all of
them can be made /dev/synth compliant.

Geoff.

Speakup and Emacspeak

[Debian UserBen van Poppel]

Hi all,

Well, I've got Debian running on my desktop (laptop coming tomorrow
<yay>). I have a problem though when I want to use the serial port for
something else, namely when I want to use Emacs with Emacspeak
running. I've run the Doubletalk speech-server on its own and the
error I get is as follows:
Error: stty: standard input: Input/output error
    while executing
"exec stty sane 9600 raw  -echo crtscts <  $port "
    ("Linux" arm line 3)
    invoked from within
"switch -exact  -- $machine {
    DEC { #osf and ultrix
        exec stty sane 9600 raw  -echo < $port 
        exec stty ixon ixoff  <  $port 
    }
 ..."
    (file "/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/emacspeak/servers/doubletalk" line 939)

Naturally I tried this after both silencing Speakup with
insert+keypad-enter and killing it altogether with ins+pause. I can do
a stty on my other serial port (/dev/ttyS1) but can fire up
Emacspeak without hastle, but doing a stty </dev/ttyS0 or anything
like that yields the same breed of input/output error.

Does someone know what's going on? Have I missed something crucial?
Thankyou for your patience.

Regards,
Ben

Re: Speakup and Emacspeak

[Kirk Reiser]

Hi, Matt Campbell has written a modified Doubletalk server for
emacspeak that uses /dev/synth with speakup.  We don't have the
complete support for all stty ioctl() commands written in for the
/dev/synth device yet but it's coming at some point in the future.
Contact Matt about the modified speech server.

  Kirk

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e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
phone: (519) 661-3061

Re: Speakup and Emacspeak

[Victor Tsaran]

Hi, Geoff!
For whatever reason I thought that /dev/synth device was supposed to resolve
this problem.  Wasn't that the case?
Vic

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoff Shang" <gshang@uq.net.au>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: Speakup and Emacspeak


> Hi:
>
> You will need to run a kernel without speakup, or a kernel with the
current
> CVS version of speakup and no synth selected.  I don't quite know what
> killing speakup does and does not do, but it's obviously not releasing the
> serial port that your speech synth is on.  The reason why speakup hogs the
> serial port at all is mainly because it's apparently linux kernel policy
> that it be done this way.  I'm sure we'd all like to see speakup
eventually
> become part of the standard linux kernel and if this is to happen, the
port
> must be handled this way to comply with linux standards.
>
> Note that I'm assuming you're trying to use emacspeak with the same synth
> that you're using speakup with.  If this is not the case then completely
> disregard this message.  I've not used emacspeak so can't advise on its
> use.
>
> Geoff.
>
>
>
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Re: Speakup and Emacspeak

[Geoff Shang]

Hi:

You will need to run a kernel without speakup, or a kernel with the current
CVS version of speakup and no synth selected.  I don't quite know what
killing speakup does and does not do, but it's obviously not releasing the
serial port that your speech synth is on.  The reason why speakup hogs the
serial port at all is mainly because it's apparently linux kernel policy
that it be done this way.  I'm sure we'd all like to see speakup eventually
become part of the standard linux kernel and if this is to happen, the port
must be handled this way to comply with linux standards.

Note that I'm assuming you're trying to use emacspeak with the same synth
that you're using speakup with.  If this is not the case then completely
disregard this message.  I've not used emacspeak so can't advise on its
use.

Geoff.