Off topic, just have to vent!

Off topic, just have to vent!

[Alex Snow]

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Hi.
Can anyone tell me if this deal on a 486 notebook really sux? I think it does. Found it on pricewatch.com:
(Not New) REFURBISHED - 4400C, 1Year Labor/90days Parts Ltd. Warranty
486/25,8MB/200MB Hard Drive, 1.44 Floppy, Active Color,Serial/Parallel ports no adapter included 
(Part - T4400C )
$ 89 
I mean, what are you supposed to do with that? Linux will barely run on it.  If someone offered me one for free, I'd take it. but not for $89.
Thanks.

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Re: Off topic, just have to vent!

[Toby Fisher]

On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Alex Snow wrote:

> Can anyone tell me if this deal on a 486 notebook really sux? I think
> it does. Found it on pricewatch.com: (Not New) REFURBISHED - 4400C,
> 1Year Labor/90days Parts Ltd. Warranty 486/25,8MB/200MB Hard Drive,
> 1.44 Floppy, Active Color,Serial/Parallel ports no adapter included
> (Part - T4400C ) $ 89 I mean, what are you supposed to do with that?
> Linux will barely run on it.  If someone offered me one for free, I'd
> take it. but not for $89.

Hmmm, probably the biggest problem there is the hdd, and you'll probably
find that most of that $89 is for the lcd display.  Still, it'll handle
Linux ok, but your bigbgest problem would probably be the lack of a cdrom
drive, though I do believe that the Slakware A disk series will still go
onto floppies, which is the minimum neededc to get get system up, so you
can install over the net or whatever.  Wouldn't go for it personally
though, as I have a 486 notebook with higher spec.

HTH

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Re: Off topic, just have to vent!

[Alex Snow]

The slowest notebook I have now is a toshiba 75 mhz with 800 megs of hdd.
I'm thinking of putting linux on it.  Toshibas are good machines.  My first
computer was a 386/8 mhz with 80 mb disk.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Toby Fisher" <toby_fisher@bigfoot.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 5:31 AM
Subject: Re: Off topic, just have to vent!


> On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Alex Snow wrote:
>
> > Can anyone tell me if this deal on a 486 notebook really sux? I think
> > it does. Found it on pricewatch.com: (Not New) REFURBISHED - 4400C,
> > 1Year Labor/90days Parts Ltd. Warranty 486/25,8MB/200MB Hard Drive,
> > 1.44 Floppy, Active Color,Serial/Parallel ports no adapter included
> > (Part - T4400C ) $ 89 I mean, what are you supposed to do with that?
> > Linux will barely run on it.  If someone offered me one for free, I'd
> > take it. but not for $89.
>
> Hmmm, probably the biggest problem there is the hdd, and you'll probably
> find that most of that $89 is for the lcd display.  Still, it'll handle
> Linux ok, but your bigbgest problem would probably be the lack of a cdrom
> drive, though I do believe that the Slakware A disk series will still go
> onto floppies, which is the minimum neededc to get get system up, so you
> can install over the net or whatever.  Wouldn't go for it personally
> though, as I have a 486 notebook with higher spec.
>
> HTH
>
> --
> Toby Fisher Email: toby@g0ucu.freeserve.co.uk
> Tel.: +44(0)1480 417272 Mobile: +44(0)7974 363239
> ICQ: #61744808
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Re: Off topic, just have to vent!

[Gregory Nowak]

Ah well now, my first machine was a 286 IBM ps/2 2011-c34 with 1 mb of RAM and a 30 mb hd. I still have it too, though you can't do much with DOS and such a small amount of resources. It's in good condition too, I just need to get hold of a floppy drive to replace the original. 

Well, that's all from me about my first machine.
Greg


On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 04:44:30PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> The slowest notebook I have now is a toshiba 75 mhz with 800 megs of hdd.
> I'm thinking of putting linux on it.  Toshibas are good machines.  My first
> computer was a 386/8 mhz with 80 mb disk.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Toby Fisher" <toby_fisher@bigfoot.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 5:31 AM
> Subject: Re: Off topic, just have to vent!
> 
> 
> > On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Alex Snow wrote:
> >
> > > Can anyone tell me if this deal on a 486 notebook really sux? I think
> > > it does. Found it on pricewatch.com: (Not New) REFURBISHED - 4400C,
> > > 1Year Labor/90days Parts Ltd. Warranty 486/25,8MB/200MB Hard Drive,
> > > 1.44 Floppy, Active Color,Serial/Parallel ports no adapter included
> > > (Part - T4400C ) $ 89 I mean, what are you supposed to do with that?
> > > Linux will barely run on it.  If someone offered me one for free, I'd
> > > take it. but not for $89.
> >
> > Hmmm, probably the biggest problem there is the hdd, and you'll probably
> > find that most of that $89 is for the lcd display.  Still, it'll handle
> > Linux ok, but your bigbgest problem would probably be the lack of a cdrom
> > drive, though I do believe that the Slakware A disk series will still go
> > onto floppies, which is the minimum neededc to get get system up, so you
> > can install over the net or whatever.  Wouldn't go for it personally
> > though, as I have a 486 notebook with higher spec.
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > --
> > Toby Fisher Email: toby@g0ucu.freeserve.co.uk
> > Tel.: +44(0)1480 417272 Mobile: +44(0)7974 363239
> > ICQ: #61744808
> >    Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
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> >
> >
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Re: Off topic, just have to vent!

[Alex Snow]

Well, I learned to type on an apple 2e with 2 disk2 floppy drives and
talking typer from APH with one of those echo synths. Hated it! Used to make
it crash and make the teacher come over and fix it for me even though I new
how.   Sources tell me that it's still in the "Computer Lab".
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregory Nowak" <gnowak1@uic.edu>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: Off topic, just have to vent!


> Ah well now, my first machine was a 286 IBM ps/2 2011-c34 with 1 mb of RAM
and a 30 mb hd. I still have it too, though you can't do much with DOS and
such a small amount of resources. It's in good condition too, I just need to
get hold of a floppy drive to replace the original.
>
> Well, that's all from me about my first machine.
> Greg
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 04:44:30PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> > The slowest notebook I have now is a toshiba 75 mhz with 800 megs of
hdd.
> > I'm thinking of putting linux on it.  Toshibas are good machines.  My
first
> > computer was a 386/8 mhz with 80 mb disk.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Toby Fisher" <toby_fisher@bigfoot.com>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 5:31 AM
> > Subject: Re: Off topic, just have to vent!
> >
> >
> > > On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Alex Snow wrote:
> > >
> > > > Can anyone tell me if this deal on a 486 notebook really sux? I
think
> > > > it does. Found it on pricewatch.com: (Not New) REFURBISHED - 4400C,
> > > > 1Year Labor/90days Parts Ltd. Warranty 486/25,8MB/200MB Hard Drive,
> > > > 1.44 Floppy, Active Color,Serial/Parallel ports no adapter included
> > > > (Part - T4400C ) $ 89 I mean, what are you supposed to do with that?
> > > > Linux will barely run on it.  If someone offered me one for free,
I'd
> > > > take it. but not for $89.
> > >
> > > Hmmm, probably the biggest problem there is the hdd, and you'll
probably
> > > find that most of that $89 is for the lcd display.  Still, it'll
handle
> > > Linux ok, but your bigbgest problem would probably be the lack of a
cdrom
> > > drive, though I do believe that the Slakware A disk series will still
go
> > > onto floppies, which is the minimum neededc to get get system up, so
you
> > > can install over the net or whatever.  Wouldn't go for it personally
> > > though, as I have a 486 notebook with higher spec.
> > >
> > > HTH
> > >
> > > --
> > > Toby Fisher Email: toby@g0ucu.freeserve.co.uk
> > > Tel.: +44(0)1480 417272 Mobile: +44(0)7974 363239
> > > ICQ: #61744808
> > >    Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
> > >    See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: Off topic, just have to vent!

[Doug Lawlor]

The first machine I had was a Toshiba T1200 with an 8086 processer
that could be turbo charged? up to 8 MHZ and a
20MB hard disk.  It even had 640K of ram!   It did not have the back lit
screen though.  That was an option I didn't need.  If I remember
correctly the caust was about $4500 CDN direct from Artic Technologies
with the Artic internal card which fitted into that strange slot in the
back and Business Vision v2.0 something.  That was back in about august
of 88.  I still have it but the LCD is screwed up and the battery pack
has given up the goast.  

Doug

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Re: Off topic, just have to vent!

[Pete]

  Hi
  I have 2 or 3 IBM ps2 mod 30 286s.
  They have 20 mb drives in them.  I may have a floppy if you want it.
  Pete

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregory Nowak" <gnowak1@uic.edu>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: Off topic, just have to vent!


> Ah well now, my first machine was a 286 IBM ps/2 2011-c34 with 1 mb of RAM
and a 30 mb hd. I still have it too, though you can't do much with DOS and
such a small amount of resources. It's in good condition too, I just need to
get hold of a floppy drive to replace the original.
>
> Well, that's all from me about my first machine.
> Greg
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 04:44:30PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> > The slowest notebook I have now is a toshiba 75 mhz with 800 megs of
hdd.
> > I'm thinking of putting linux on it.  Toshibas are good machines.  My
first
> > computer was a 386/8 mhz with 80 mb disk.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Toby Fisher" <toby_fisher@bigfoot.com>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 5:31 AM
> > Subject: Re: Off topic, just have to vent!
> >
> >
> > > On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Alex Snow wrote:
> > >
> > > > Can anyone tell me if this deal on a 486 notebook really sux? I
think
> > > > it does. Found it on pricewatch.com: (Not New) REFURBISHED - 4400C,
> > > > 1Year Labor/90days Parts Ltd. Warranty 486/25,8MB/200MB Hard Drive,
> > > > 1.44 Floppy, Active Color,Serial/Parallel ports no adapter included
> > > > (Part - T4400C ) $ 89 I mean, what are you supposed to do with that?
> > > > Linux will barely run on it.  If someone offered me one for free,
I'd
> > > > take it. but not for $89.
> > >
> > > Hmmm, probably the biggest problem there is the hdd, and you'll
probably
> > > find that most of that $89 is for the lcd display.  Still, it'll
handle
> > > Linux ok, but your bigbgest problem would probably be the lack of a
cdrom
> > > drive, though I do believe that the Slakware A disk series will still
go
> > > onto floppies, which is the minimum neededc to get get system up, so
you
> > > can install over the net or whatever.  Wouldn't go for it personally
> > > though, as I have a 486 notebook with higher spec.
> > >
> > > HTH
> > >
> > > --
> > > Toby Fisher Email: toby@g0ucu.freeserve.co.uk
> > > Tel.: +44(0)1480 417272 Mobile: +44(0)7974 363239
> > > ICQ: #61744808
> > >    Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
> > >    See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: Off topic, just have to vent!

[Pete]

  I had an apple 2E as my first computer. Used a doubletalk internal whith
proscat screen reader to make it talk.
  Pete

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: Off topic, just have to vent!


> Well, I learned to type on an apple 2e with 2 disk2 floppy drives and
> talking typer from APH with one of those echo synths. Hated it! Used to
make
> it crash and make the teacher come over and fix it for me even though I
new
> how.   Sources tell me that it's still in the "Computer Lab".
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gregory Nowak" <gnowak1@uic.edu>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 6:36 PM
> Subject: Re: Off topic, just have to vent!
>
>
> > Ah well now, my first machine was a 286 IBM ps/2 2011-c34 with 1 mb of
RAM
> and a 30 mb hd. I still have it too, though you can't do much with DOS and
> such a small amount of resources. It's in good condition too, I just need
to
> get hold of a floppy drive to replace the original.
> >
> > Well, that's all from me about my first machine.
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 04:44:30PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> > > The slowest notebook I have now is a toshiba 75 mhz with 800 megs of
> hdd.
> > > I'm thinking of putting linux on it.  Toshibas are good machines.  My
> first
> > > computer was a 386/8 mhz with 80 mb disk.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Toby Fisher" <toby_fisher@bigfoot.com>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 5:31 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Off topic, just have to vent!
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Alex Snow wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Can anyone tell me if this deal on a 486 notebook really sux? I
> think
> > > > > it does. Found it on pricewatch.com: (Not New) REFURBISHED -
4400C,
> > > > > 1Year Labor/90days Parts Ltd. Warranty 486/25,8MB/200MB Hard
Drive,
> > > > > 1.44 Floppy, Active Color,Serial/Parallel ports no adapter
included
> > > > > (Part - T4400C ) $ 89 I mean, what are you supposed to do with
that?
> > > > > Linux will barely run on it.  If someone offered me one for free,
> I'd
> > > > > take it. but not for $89.
> > > >
> > > > Hmmm, probably the biggest problem there is the hdd, and you'll
> probably
> > > > find that most of that $89 is for the lcd display.  Still, it'll
> handle
> > > > Linux ok, but your bigbgest problem would probably be the lack of a
> cdrom
> > > > drive, though I do believe that the Slakware A disk series will
still
> go
> > > > onto floppies, which is the minimum neededc to get get system up, so
> you
> > > > can install over the net or whatever.  Wouldn't go for it personally
> > > > though, as I have a 486 notebook with higher spec.
> > > >
> > > > HTH
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Toby Fisher Email: toby@g0ucu.freeserve.co.uk
> > > > Tel.: +44(0)1480 417272 Mobile: +44(0)7974 363239
> > > > ICQ: #61744808
> > > >    Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
> > > >    See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: Off topic, just have to vent!

[Toby Fisher]

On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Alex Snow wrote:

> The slowest notebook I have now is a toshiba 75 mhz with 800 megs of hdd.
> I'm thinking of putting linux on it.  Toshibas are good machines.  My first
> computer was a 386/8 mhz with 80 mb disk.

Yeah, go for it, should be ok.  Which distro are you thinking of using?
You'll have to be a little careful of what packages you include, or you
could leave yourself with no hd space to work with.  But I know what you
mean about Tosh machines, they are good.

Cheers.

-- 
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Tel.: +44(0)1480 417272	Mobile: +44(0)7974 363239
ICQ: #61744808
   Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
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Re: Off topic, just have to vent!

[Alex Snow]

Probably Slackware.  Installation is gonna be fun since the cdrom for that
machine is a 2x external parrell port SCSI drive. Barely runs under windows.
And then one of the jumpers fell out and it won't autodetect during boot
anymore.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Toby Fisher" <toby_fisher@bigfoot.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: Off topic, just have to vent!


> On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Alex Snow wrote:
>
> > The slowest notebook I have now is a toshiba 75 mhz with 800 megs of
hdd.
> > I'm thinking of putting linux on it.  Toshibas are good machines.  My
first
> > computer was a 386/8 mhz with 80 mb disk.
>
> Yeah, go for it, should be ok.  Which distro are you thinking of using?
> You'll have to be a little careful of what packages you include, or you
> could leave yourself with no hd space to work with.  But I know what you
> mean about Tosh machines, they are good.
>
> Cheers.
>
> --
> Toby Fisher Email: toby@g0ucu.freeserve.co.uk
> Tel.: +44(0)1480 417272 Mobile: +44(0)7974 363239
> ICQ: #61744808
>    Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
>    See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
>
>
>
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Re: Off topic, just have to vent!

[Alex Snow]

Yeah, the echo I had I only understood about 1/4 of what it said.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pete" <persuric@ameritech.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: Off topic, just have to vent!


>
>   I had an apple 2E as my first computer. Used a doubletalk internal whith
> proscat screen reader to make it talk.
>   Pete
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 7:13 PM
> Subject: Re: Off topic, just have to vent!
>
>
> > Well, I learned to type on an apple 2e with 2 disk2 floppy drives and
> > talking typer from APH with one of those echo synths. Hated it! Used to
> make
> > it crash and make the teacher come over and fix it for me even though I
> new
> > how.   Sources tell me that it's still in the "Computer Lab".
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gregory Nowak" <gnowak1@uic.edu>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 6:36 PM
> > Subject: Re: Off topic, just have to vent!
> >
> >
> > > Ah well now, my first machine was a 286 IBM ps/2 2011-c34 with 1 mb of
> RAM
> > and a 30 mb hd. I still have it too, though you can't do much with DOS
and
> > such a small amount of resources. It's in good condition too, I just
need
> to
> > get hold of a floppy drive to replace the original.
> > >
> > > Well, that's all from me about my first machine.
> > > Greg
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 04:44:30PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> > > > The slowest notebook I have now is a toshiba 75 mhz with 800 megs of
> > hdd.
> > > > I'm thinking of putting linux on it.  Toshibas are good machines.
My
> > first
> > > > computer was a 386/8 mhz with 80 mb disk.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Toby Fisher" <toby_fisher@bigfoot.com>
> > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 5:31 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: Off topic, just have to vent!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Alex Snow wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Can anyone tell me if this deal on a 486 notebook really sux? I
> > think
> > > > > > it does. Found it on pricewatch.com: (Not New) REFURBISHED -
> 4400C,
> > > > > > 1Year Labor/90days Parts Ltd. Warranty 486/25,8MB/200MB Hard
> Drive,
> > > > > > 1.44 Floppy, Active Color,Serial/Parallel ports no adapter
> included
> > > > > > (Part - T4400C ) $ 89 I mean, what are you supposed to do with
> that?
> > > > > > Linux will barely run on it.  If someone offered me one for
free,
> > I'd
> > > > > > take it. but not for $89.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hmmm, probably the biggest problem there is the hdd, and you'll
> > probably
> > > > > find that most of that $89 is for the lcd display.  Still, it'll
> > handle
> > > > > Linux ok, but your bigbgest problem would probably be the lack of
a
> > cdrom
> > > > > drive, though I do believe that the Slakware A disk series will
> still
> > go
> > > > > onto floppies, which is the minimum neededc to get get system up,
so
> > you
> > > > > can install over the net or whatever.  Wouldn't go for it
personally
> > > > > though, as I have a 486 notebook with higher spec.
> > > > >
> > > > > HTH
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Toby Fisher Email: toby@g0ucu.freeserve.co.uk
> > > > > Tel.: +44(0)1480 417272 Mobile: +44(0)7974 363239
> > > > > ICQ: #61744808
> > > > >    Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
> > > > >    See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > >
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Re: Off topic, just have to vent!

[Pete]

  I liked the cricket and echo and textalker better than the speech that
comes whith the braille and speak or type and speak.  The echo emulation in
the doubletalk internal I like better than the doubletalk I have now.  I
geus I like it for the same reason I like the accent p c.  The speech rate
is rappid and sharp sounding to me.
  Pete

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: Off topic, just have to vent!


> Yeah, the echo I had I only understood about 1/4 of what it said.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pete" <persuric@ameritech.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 8:23 PM
> Subject: Re: Off topic, just have to vent!
>
>
> >
> >   I had an apple 2E as my first computer. Used a doubletalk internal
whith
> > proscat screen reader to make it talk.
> >   Pete
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 7:13 PM
> > Subject: Re: Off topic, just have to vent!
> >
> >
> > > Well, I learned to type on an apple 2e with 2 disk2 floppy drives and
> > > talking typer from APH with one of those echo synths. Hated it! Used
to
> > make
> > > it crash and make the teacher come over and fix it for me even though
I
> > new
> > > how.   Sources tell me that it's still in the "Computer Lab".
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Gregory Nowak" <gnowak1@uic.edu>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 6:36 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Off topic, just have to vent!
> > >
> > >
> > > > Ah well now, my first machine was a 286 IBM ps/2 2011-c34 with 1 mb
of
> > RAM
> > > and a 30 mb hd. I still have it too, though you can't do much with DOS
> and
> > > such a small amount of resources. It's in good condition too, I just
> need
> > to
> > > get hold of a floppy drive to replace the original.
> > > >
> > > > Well, that's all from me about my first machine.
> > > > Greg
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 04:44:30PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> > > > > The slowest notebook I have now is a toshiba 75 mhz with 800 megs
of
> > > hdd.
> > > > > I'm thinking of putting linux on it.  Toshibas are good machines.
> My
> > > first
> > > > > computer was a 386/8 mhz with 80 mb disk.
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Toby Fisher" <toby_fisher@bigfoot.com>
> > > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 5:31 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Off topic, just have to vent!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Alex Snow wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Can anyone tell me if this deal on a 486 notebook really sux?
I
> > > think
> > > > > > > it does. Found it on pricewatch.com: (Not New) REFURBISHED -
> > 4400C,
> > > > > > > 1Year Labor/90days Parts Ltd. Warranty 486/25,8MB/200MB Hard
> > Drive,
> > > > > > > 1.44 Floppy, Active Color,Serial/Parallel ports no adapter
> > included
> > > > > > > (Part - T4400C ) $ 89 I mean, what are you supposed to do with
> > that?
> > > > > > > Linux will barely run on it.  If someone offered me one for
> free,
> > > I'd
> > > > > > > take it. but not for $89.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hmmm, probably the biggest problem there is the hdd, and you'll
> > > probably
> > > > > > find that most of that $89 is for the lcd display.  Still, it'll
> > > handle
> > > > > > Linux ok, but your bigbgest problem would probably be the lack
of
> a
> > > cdrom
> > > > > > drive, though I do believe that the Slakware A disk series will
> > still
> > > go
> > > > > > onto floppies, which is the minimum neededc to get get system
up,
> so
> > > you
> > > > > > can install over the net or whatever.  Wouldn't go for it
> personally
> > > > > > though, as I have a 486 notebook with higher spec.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HTH
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Toby Fisher Email: toby@g0ucu.freeserve.co.uk
> > > > > > Tel.: +44(0)1480 417272 Mobile: +44(0)7974 363239
> > > > > > ICQ: #61744808
> > > > > >    Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
> > > > > >    See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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Re: Off topic, just have to vent!

[Toby Fisher]

On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, Alex Snow wrote:

> Probably Slackware.  Installation is gonna be fun since the cdrom for that
> machine is a 2x external parrell port SCSI drive. Barely runs under windows.
> And then one of the jumpers fell out and it won't autodetect during boot
> anymore.

Hmmm, well, it's possible that not all of the jumpers serve a noticeable
purpose, so you could always try just replacing it with another one.
*smile*

-- 
Toby Fisher	Email: toby@g0ucu.freeserve.co.uk
Tel.: +44(0)1480 417272	Mobile: +44(0)7974 363239
ICQ: #61744808
   Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
   See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html

Re: Off topic, just have to vent!

[Ed Barnes]

Hi Doug and list.
Actually Doug I actually have my first machine kicking around here as
well and it is a similar setup to the one you described Doug.
However, mine is a tad bit newer haven been received in 1989 and it has
I think BV 3.03 on it.
In my case the battery still holds out I believe and I think you can see
the screen though I've not booted it in a dog's age, should probably do
so to just check out its status.
I have also thought about setting it up as a terminal to use for
interacting with the HP 712 I have here which runs HP-UX version 11
though in some ways it is pointless as i can do that interaction even
better from a Linux box running speakup.
To add to this topic I have an Accent SA from 1989, it's actually what's
connected to my Linux box, and I have an Accent PC sitting in my filing
cabinet and I think it's from 1988 or 89 though I only obtained it about
4 or 5 years ago.
Regards to all.
Ed Barnes

On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Doug Lawlor wrote:

> Reply-To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: Re: Off topic, just have to vent!
>
> The first machine I had was a Toshiba T1200 with an 8086 processer
> that could be turbo charged? up to 8 MHZ and a
> 20MB hard disk.  It even had 640K of ram!   It did not have the back lit
> screen though.  That was an option I didn't need.  If I remember
> correctly the caust was about $4500 CDN direct from Artic Technologies
> with the Artic internal card which fitted into that strange slot in the
> back and Business Vision v2.0 something.  That was back in about august
> of 88.  I still have it but the LCD is screwed up and the battery pack
> has given up the goast.
>
> Doug
>
>

Re: Off topic, just have to vent!

[Bruce Noblick]

Just for grins, let's laugh about my first computer.  It was a heathkit
h/z89/90 with a single sided floppy and HDOS operating system.  I got CP/M
for it, a couple of double sided floppy disk drives and a memory board with
a meg of memory.  I put nearly $2,000 into that little machine and used it
for about 10 years and wrote my own speech program for it in CP/M.  It was
nothing to brag about but it was fun to play with.  Oh yes, I also used a
type-n-talk speech synthesizer and liked it.

The first hard drive I heard of was an 8 meg drive and I thought that was
great because it would hold about 10 to 20 or even 40 of the floppies.  We
even looked seriously at 8 inch floppy drives though I only used one of
those at work.

I wonder if the ancients talked like this about different types of wheels?

Enjoy!
Bruce

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: Off topic, just have to vent!


> Well, I learned to type on an apple 2e with 2 disk2 floppy drives and
> talking typer from APH with one of those echo synths. Hated it! Used to
make
> it crash and make the teacher come over and fix it for me even though I
new
> how.   Sources tell me that it's still in the "Computer Lab".
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gregory Nowak" <gnowak1@uic.edu>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 6:36 PM
> Subject: Re: Off topic, just have to vent!
>
>
> > Ah well now, my first machine was a 286 IBM ps/2 2011-c34 with 1 mb of
RAM
> and a 30 mb hd. I still have it too, though you can't do much with DOS and
> such a small amount of resources. It's in good condition too, I just need
to
> get hold of a floppy drive to replace the original.
> >
> > Well, that's all from me about my first machine.
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 04:44:30PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> > > The slowest notebook I have now is a toshiba 75 mhz with 800 megs of
> hdd.
> > > I'm thinking of putting linux on it.  Toshibas are good machines.  My
> first
> > > computer was a 386/8 mhz with 80 mb disk.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Toby Fisher" <toby_fisher@bigfoot.com>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 5:31 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Off topic, just have to vent!
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Alex Snow wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Can anyone tell me if this deal on a 486 notebook really sux? I
> think
> > > > > it does. Found it on pricewatch.com: (Not New) REFURBISHED -
4400C,
> > > > > 1Year Labor/90days Parts Ltd. Warranty 486/25,8MB/200MB Hard
Drive,
> > > > > 1.44 Floppy, Active Color,Serial/Parallel ports no adapter
included
> > > > > (Part - T4400C ) $ 89 I mean, what are you supposed to do with
that?
> > > > > Linux will barely run on it.  If someone offered me one for free,
> I'd
> > > > > take it. but not for $89.
> > > >
> > > > Hmmm, probably the biggest problem there is the hdd, and you'll
> probably
> > > > find that most of that $89 is for the lcd display.  Still, it'll
> handle
> > > > Linux ok, but your bigbgest problem would probably be the lack of a
> cdrom
> > > > drive, though I do believe that the Slakware A disk series will
still
> go
> > > > onto floppies, which is the minimum neededc to get get system up, so
> you
> > > > can install over the net or whatever.  Wouldn't go for it personally
> > > > though, as I have a 486 notebook with higher spec.
> > > >
> > > > HTH
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Toby Fisher Email: toby@g0ucu.freeserve.co.uk
> > > > Tel.: +44(0)1480 417272 Mobile: +44(0)7974 363239
> > > > ICQ: #61744808
> > > >    Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
> > > >    See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
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> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: Off topic, just have to vent!

[Alex Snow]

Nope, I think I'm the only student in the state of CT that even knows about
linux.  The machine's probably still sitting in a storage room someware.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Crawford" <CCrawford@ACB.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: Off topic, just have to vent!


> Now that is interesting that the state made you give backa 386 last year?
A
> 386 in the age of Windows?  Now either they have caught on to linux and
the
> productivity that can still be realized from even older machines, or the
> Governor is collecting scrap metal to pay for XP.  Grin.
>
> -- charlie Crawford.
> At 06:43 PM 04/12/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> >Well, my 386 was a state machine so I had to give it back last year.  It
had
> >a keynote gold synth built in, and had pretty good speach.  I got sort of
> >good with quick basic in dos, My most productive program would freeze the
> >computer.
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Watson, Keith" <Keith.Watson@Sypris.com>
> >To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> >Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 8:38 AM
> >Subject: RE: Off topic, just have to vent!
> >
> >
> > > Ok, since we are talking about our first systems, mine was ( is ) a
> >comadore
> > > pet with 8K of ram and the only input device was a tape drive. The
only
> > > reason I mention this is that I just stubbed my toe on it last weekend
and
> > > my wife tried to get me to throw it away. I firmly told her that she
would
> > > go before that box. I'm thinking of donating it to a museum but i'm
not
> >sure
> > > I can part with it. Even though it's got about 3 inches of dust on it.
> > >
> > > Keith Watson
> > > Sypris Electronics
> > > Email:  Keith.Watson@sypris.com <mailto:Keith.Watson@sypris.com>
> > > Phone: (813) 972-6270
> > > Fax #:  (813) 972-6842
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Gregory Nowak [mailto:gnowak1@uic.edu]
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 6:37 PM
> > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > Subject: Re: Off topic, just have to vent!
> > >
> > >
> > > Ah well now, my first machine was a 286 IBM ps/2 2011-c34 with 1 mb of
RAM
> > > and a 30 mb hd. I still have it too, though you can't do much with DOS
and
> > > such a small amount of resources. It's in good condition too, I just
need
> >to
> > > get hold of a floppy drive to replace the original.
> > >
> > > Well, that's all from me about my first machine.
> > > Greg
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 04:44:30PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> > > > The slowest notebook I have now is a toshiba 75 mhz with 800 megs of
> >hdd.
> > > > I'm thinking of putting linux on it.  Toshibas are good machines.
My
> > > first
> > > > computer was a 386/8 mhz with 80 mb disk.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Toby Fisher" <toby_fisher@bigfoot.com>
> > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 5:31 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: Off topic, just have to vent!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Alex Snow wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Can anyone tell me if this deal on a 486 notebook really sux? I
> >think
> > > > > > it does. Found it on pricewatch.com: (Not New) REFURBISHED -
4400C,
> > > > > > 1Year Labor/90days Parts Ltd. Warranty 486/25,8MB/200MB Hard
Drive,
> > > > > > 1.44 Floppy, Active Color,Serial/Parallel ports no adapter
included
> > > > > > (Part - T4400C ) $ 89 I mean, what are you supposed to do with
that?
> > > > > > Linux will barely run on it.  If someone offered me one for
free,
> >I'd
> > > > > > take it. but not for $89.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hmmm, probably the biggest problem there is the hdd, and you'll
> >probably
> > > > > find that most of that $89 is for the lcd display.  Still, it'll
> >handle
> > > > > Linux ok, but your bigbgest problem would probably be the lack of
a
> > > cdrom
> > > > > drive, though I do believe that the Slakware A disk series will
still
> >go
> > > > > onto floppies, which is the minimum neededc to get get system up,
so
> >you
> > > > > can install over the net or whatever.  Wouldn't go for it
personally
> > > > > though, as I have a 486 notebook with higher spec.
> > > > >
> > > > > HTH
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Toby Fisher Email: toby@g0ucu.freeserve.co.uk
> > > > > Tel.: +44(0)1480 417272 Mobile: +44(0)7974 363239
> > > > > ICQ: #61744808
> > > > >    Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
> > > > >    See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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> > >
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> >
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Re: Off topic, just have to vent!

[Charles Crawford]

Now that is interesting that the state made you give backa 386 last year? A 
386 in the age of Windows?  Now either they have caught on to linux and the 
productivity that can still be realized from even older machines, or the 
Governor is collecting scrap metal to pay for XP.  Grin.

-- charlie Crawford.
At 06:43 PM 04/12/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>Well, my 386 was a state machine so I had to give it back last year.  It had
>a keynote gold synth built in, and had pretty good speach.  I got sort of
>good with quick basic in dos, My most productive program would freeze the
>computer.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Watson, Keith" <Keith.Watson@Sypris.com>
>To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 8:38 AM
>Subject: RE: Off topic, just have to vent!
>
>
> > Ok, since we are talking about our first systems, mine was ( is ) a
>comadore
> > pet with 8K of ram and the only input device was a tape drive. The only
> > reason I mention this is that I just stubbed my toe on it last weekend and
> > my wife tried to get me to throw it away. I firmly told her that she would
> > go before that box. I'm thinking of donating it to a museum but i'm not
>sure
> > I can part with it. Even though it's got about 3 inches of dust on it.
> >
> > Keith Watson
> > Sypris Electronics
> > Email:  Keith.Watson@sypris.com <mailto:Keith.Watson@sypris.com>
> > Phone: (813) 972-6270
> > Fax #:  (813) 972-6842
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gregory Nowak [mailto:gnowak1@uic.edu]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 6:37 PM
> > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > Subject: Re: Off topic, just have to vent!
> >
> >
> > Ah well now, my first machine was a 286 IBM ps/2 2011-c34 with 1 mb of RAM
> > and a 30 mb hd. I still have it too, though you can't do much with DOS and
> > such a small amount of resources. It's in good condition too, I just need
>to
> > get hold of a floppy drive to replace the original.
> >
> > Well, that's all from me about my first machine.
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 04:44:30PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> > > The slowest notebook I have now is a toshiba 75 mhz with 800 megs of
>hdd.
> > > I'm thinking of putting linux on it.  Toshibas are good machines.  My
> > first
> > > computer was a 386/8 mhz with 80 mb disk.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Toby Fisher" <toby_fisher@bigfoot.com>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 5:31 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Off topic, just have to vent!
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Alex Snow wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Can anyone tell me if this deal on a 486 notebook really sux? I
>think
> > > > > it does. Found it on pricewatch.com: (Not New) REFURBISHED - 4400C,
> > > > > 1Year Labor/90days Parts Ltd. Warranty 486/25,8MB/200MB Hard Drive,
> > > > > 1.44 Floppy, Active Color,Serial/Parallel ports no adapter included
> > > > > (Part - T4400C ) $ 89 I mean, what are you supposed to do with that?
> > > > > Linux will barely run on it.  If someone offered me one for free,
>I'd
> > > > > take it. but not for $89.
> > > >
> > > > Hmmm, probably the biggest problem there is the hdd, and you'll
>probably
> > > > find that most of that $89 is for the lcd display.  Still, it'll
>handle
> > > > Linux ok, but your bigbgest problem would probably be the lack of a
> > cdrom
> > > > drive, though I do believe that the Slakware A disk series will still
>go
> > > > onto floppies, which is the minimum neededc to get get system up, so
>you
> > > > can install over the net or whatever.  Wouldn't go for it personally
> > > > though, as I have a 486 notebook with higher spec.
> > > >
> > > > HTH
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Toby Fisher Email: toby@g0ucu.freeserve.co.uk
> > > > Tel.: +44(0)1480 417272 Mobile: +44(0)7974 363239
> > > > ICQ: #61744808
> > > >    Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
> > > >    See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: Off topic, just have to vent!

[Alex Snow]

Well, my 386 was a state machine so I had to give it back last year.  It had
a keynote gold synth built in, and had pretty good speach.  I got sort of
good with quick basic in dos, My most productive program would freeze the
computer.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Watson, Keith" <Keith.Watson@Sypris.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 8:38 AM
Subject: RE: Off topic, just have to vent!


> Ok, since we are talking about our first systems, mine was ( is ) a
comadore
> pet with 8K of ram and the only input device was a tape drive. The only
> reason I mention this is that I just stubbed my toe on it last weekend and
> my wife tried to get me to throw it away. I firmly told her that she would
> go before that box. I'm thinking of donating it to a museum but i'm not
sure
> I can part with it. Even though it's got about 3 inches of dust on it.
>
> Keith Watson
> Sypris Electronics
> Email:  Keith.Watson@sypris.com <mailto:Keith.Watson@sypris.com>
> Phone: (813) 972-6270
> Fax #:  (813) 972-6842
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gregory Nowak [mailto:gnowak1@uic.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 6:37 PM
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: Re: Off topic, just have to vent!
>
>
> Ah well now, my first machine was a 286 IBM ps/2 2011-c34 with 1 mb of RAM
> and a 30 mb hd. I still have it too, though you can't do much with DOS and
> such a small amount of resources. It's in good condition too, I just need
to
> get hold of a floppy drive to replace the original.
>
> Well, that's all from me about my first machine.
> Greg
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 04:44:30PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> > The slowest notebook I have now is a toshiba 75 mhz with 800 megs of
hdd.
> > I'm thinking of putting linux on it.  Toshibas are good machines.  My
> first
> > computer was a 386/8 mhz with 80 mb disk.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Toby Fisher" <toby_fisher@bigfoot.com>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 5:31 AM
> > Subject: Re: Off topic, just have to vent!
> >
> >
> > > On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Alex Snow wrote:
> > >
> > > > Can anyone tell me if this deal on a 486 notebook really sux? I
think
> > > > it does. Found it on pricewatch.com: (Not New) REFURBISHED - 4400C,
> > > > 1Year Labor/90days Parts Ltd. Warranty 486/25,8MB/200MB Hard Drive,
> > > > 1.44 Floppy, Active Color,Serial/Parallel ports no adapter included
> > > > (Part - T4400C ) $ 89 I mean, what are you supposed to do with that?
> > > > Linux will barely run on it.  If someone offered me one for free,
I'd
> > > > take it. but not for $89.
> > >
> > > Hmmm, probably the biggest problem there is the hdd, and you'll
probably
> > > find that most of that $89 is for the lcd display.  Still, it'll
handle
> > > Linux ok, but your bigbgest problem would probably be the lack of a
> cdrom
> > > drive, though I do believe that the Slakware A disk series will still
go
> > > onto floppies, which is the minimum neededc to get get system up, so
you
> > > can install over the net or whatever.  Wouldn't go for it personally
> > > though, as I have a 486 notebook with higher spec.
> > >
> > > HTH
> > >
> > > --
> > > Toby Fisher Email: toby@g0ucu.freeserve.co.uk
> > > Tel.: +44(0)1480 417272 Mobile: +44(0)7974 363239
> > > ICQ: #61744808
> > >    Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
> > >    See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: Off topic, just have to vent!

[Pete]

  I also have an old comodor 64 laying around here some ware it has a joy
stick and a 5.25 floppy drive.  Do you want it for parts?
  Pete

----- Original Message -----
From: "Watson, Keith" <Keith.Watson@Sypris.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 8:38 AM
Subject: RE: Off topic, just have to vent!


> Ok, since we are talking about our first systems, mine was ( is ) a
comadore
> pet with 8K of ram and the only input device was a tape drive. The only
> reason I mention this is that I just stubbed my toe on it last weekend and
> my wife tried to get me to throw it away. I firmly told her that she would
> go before that box. I'm thinking of donating it to a museum but i'm not
sure
> I can part with it. Even though it's got about 3 inches of dust on it.
>
> Keith Watson
> Sypris Electronics
> Email:  Keith.Watson@sypris.com <mailto:Keith.Watson@sypris.com>
> Phone: (813) 972-6270
> Fax #:  (813) 972-6842
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gregory Nowak [mailto:gnowak1@uic.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 6:37 PM
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: Re: Off topic, just have to vent!
>
>
> Ah well now, my first machine was a 286 IBM ps/2 2011-c34 with 1 mb of RAM
> and a 30 mb hd. I still have it too, though you can't do much with DOS and
> such a small amount of resources. It's in good condition too, I just need
to
> get hold of a floppy drive to replace the original.
>
> Well, that's all from me about my first machine.
> Greg
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 04:44:30PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> > The slowest notebook I have now is a toshiba 75 mhz with 800 megs of
hdd.
> > I'm thinking of putting linux on it.  Toshibas are good machines.  My
> first
> > computer was a 386/8 mhz with 80 mb disk.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Toby Fisher" <toby_fisher@bigfoot.com>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 5:31 AM
> > Subject: Re: Off topic, just have to vent!
> >
> >
> > > On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Alex Snow wrote:
> > >
> > > > Can anyone tell me if this deal on a 486 notebook really sux? I
think
> > > > it does. Found it on pricewatch.com: (Not New) REFURBISHED - 4400C,
> > > > 1Year Labor/90days Parts Ltd. Warranty 486/25,8MB/200MB Hard Drive,
> > > > 1.44 Floppy, Active Color,Serial/Parallel ports no adapter included
> > > > (Part - T4400C ) $ 89 I mean, what are you supposed to do with that?
> > > > Linux will barely run on it.  If someone offered me one for free,
I'd
> > > > take it. but not for $89.
> > >
> > > Hmmm, probably the biggest problem there is the hdd, and you'll
probably
> > > find that most of that $89 is for the lcd display.  Still, it'll
handle
> > > Linux ok, but your bigbgest problem would probably be the lack of a
> cdrom
> > > drive, though I do believe that the Slakware A disk series will still
go
> > > onto floppies, which is the minimum neededc to get get system up, so
you
> > > can install over the net or whatever.  Wouldn't go for it personally
> > > though, as I have a 486 notebook with higher spec.
> > >
> > > HTH
> > >
> > > --
> > > Toby Fisher Email: toby@g0ucu.freeserve.co.uk
> > > Tel.: +44(0)1480 417272 Mobile: +44(0)7974 363239
> > > ICQ: #61744808
> > >    Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
> > >    See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > >
> > >
> > >
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RE: Off topic, just have to vent!

[Watson, Keith]

Ok, since we are talking about our first systems, mine was ( is ) a comadore
pet with 8K of ram and the only input device was a tape drive. The only
reason I mention this is that I just stubbed my toe on it last weekend and
my wife tried to get me to throw it away. I firmly told her that she would
go before that box. I'm thinking of donating it to a museum but i'm not sure
I can part with it. Even though it's got about 3 inches of dust on it.

Keith Watson
Sypris Electronics
Email:  Keith.Watson@sypris.com <mailto:Keith.Watson@sypris.com> 
Phone: (813) 972-6270
Fax #:  (813) 972-6842
 
 


-----Original Message-----
From: Gregory Nowak [mailto:gnowak1@uic.edu]
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 6:37 PM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: Off topic, just have to vent!


Ah well now, my first machine was a 286 IBM ps/2 2011-c34 with 1 mb of RAM
and a 30 mb hd. I still have it too, though you can't do much with DOS and
such a small amount of resources. It's in good condition too, I just need to
get hold of a floppy drive to replace the original. 

Well, that's all from me about my first machine.
Greg


On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 04:44:30PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> The slowest notebook I have now is a toshiba 75 mhz with 800 megs of hdd.
> I'm thinking of putting linux on it.  Toshibas are good machines.  My
first
> computer was a 386/8 mhz with 80 mb disk.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Toby Fisher" <toby_fisher@bigfoot.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 5:31 AM
> Subject: Re: Off topic, just have to vent!
> 
> 
> > On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Alex Snow wrote:
> >
> > > Can anyone tell me if this deal on a 486 notebook really sux? I think
> > > it does. Found it on pricewatch.com: (Not New) REFURBISHED - 4400C,
> > > 1Year Labor/90days Parts Ltd. Warranty 486/25,8MB/200MB Hard Drive,
> > > 1.44 Floppy, Active Color,Serial/Parallel ports no adapter included
> > > (Part - T4400C ) $ 89 I mean, what are you supposed to do with that?
> > > Linux will barely run on it.  If someone offered me one for free, I'd
> > > take it. but not for $89.
> >
> > Hmmm, probably the biggest problem there is the hdd, and you'll probably
> > find that most of that $89 is for the lcd display.  Still, it'll handle
> > Linux ok, but your bigbgest problem would probably be the lack of a
cdrom
> > drive, though I do believe that the Slakware A disk series will still go
> > onto floppies, which is the minimum neededc to get get system up, so you
> > can install over the net or whatever.  Wouldn't go for it personally
> > though, as I have a 486 notebook with higher spec.
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > --
> > Toby Fisher Email: toby@g0ucu.freeserve.co.uk
> > Tel.: +44(0)1480 417272 Mobile: +44(0)7974 363239
> > ICQ: #61744808
> >    Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
> >    See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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