linux, windows and vmware

linux, windows and vmware

[l84ad8r]

Hello all, had a quick question, and, this is the only place I could
think of to ask.
I am currently running a windows xp pro installation on my laptop,
but, also run a debian build on a side junk pc that I have. The first
thing I want to know is: Can I boot a speakup enabled linux, and use
my hardware synth through vmware? Not sure how I would have to go
about setting up the serial port issue, and, if that will not work,
what would it take to get vmware running on linux, and, from there,
running xp on the vm once I had it going? Would I be able to use
screen readers in that vm, or, would I run into any trouble?
I am really new to all this, so, all the help I can get would be wonderful.
Thanks bunches.

Re: linux, windows and vmware

[Tyler Spivey]

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Vmware with windows as the host works rather well. Serial ports just
work, since speakup isn't taking them as under linux. The disadvantage
is that windows is very unstable, to the point of needing to be rebooted
every cupple of days.

If you run vmware under linux and emulate windows, the windows at least
for me was sort of slow. Also, sharing between the two operating systems
will be an issue - either way. Samba can help with that, or windows file
sharing on the windows side.
- - Tyler

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RE: linux, windows and vmware

[Sina Bahram]

We have several blades running various operating systems in VMWare and
windows as the host OS, that have been up for months now.

Think about it ... If one isn't interacting with it much, then there's
really nothing for windows to crash or get hung up on ... It's running six
to eight VMWare images.

Take care,
Sina
 
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On Behalf Of Tyler Spivey
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 10:56 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: linux, windows and vmware

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Vmware with windows as the host works rather well. Serial ports just work,
since speakup isn't taking them as under linux. The disadvantage is that
windows is very unstable, to the point of needing to be rebooted every
cupple of days.

If you run vmware under linux and emulate windows, the windows at least for
me was sort of slow. Also, sharing between the two operating systems will be
an issue - either way. Samba can help with that, or windows file sharing on
the windows side.
- - Tyler

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Re: linux, windows and vmware

[Zachary Kline]

Hello,
    I am very interested in how Linux can be run in a Vmware image.  Is this 
accessible?
I'd appreciate any info you could give me on this.
Thanks much,
Zack.

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From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@nc.rr.com>
To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'" 
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:45 AM
Subject: RE: linux, windows and vmware


> We have several blades running various operating systems in VMWare and
> windows as the host OS, that have been up for months now.
>
> Think about it ... If one isn't interacting with it much, then there's
> really nothing for windows to crash or get hung up on ... It's running six
> to eight VMWare images.
>
> Take care,
> Sina
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca 
> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
> On Behalf Of Tyler Spivey
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 10:56 AM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: linux, windows and vmware
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> Vmware with windows as the host works rather well. Serial ports just work,
> since speakup isn't taking them as under linux. The disadvantage is that
> windows is very unstable, to the point of needing to be rebooted every
> cupple of days.
>
> If you run vmware under linux and emulate windows, the windows at least 
> for
> me was sort of slow. Also, sharing between the two operating systems will 
> be
> an issue - either way. Samba can help with that, or windows file sharing 
> on
> the windows side.
> - - Tyler
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Re: linux, windows and vmware

[Alex Snow]

Vmware also has a file sharing capability...never used it, but I know 
it requires you to install the vmware tools package on the guest 
operating systems.
On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 07:55:40AM -0700, Tyler Spivey 
wrote:
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> Vmware with windows as the host works rather well. Serial ports just
> work, since speakup isn't taking them as under linux. The disadvantage
> is that windows is very unstable, to the point of needing to be rebooted
> every cupple of days.
> 
> If you run vmware under linux and emulate windows, the windows at least
> for me was sort of slow. Also, sharing between the two operating systems
> will be an issue - either way. Samba can help with that, or windows file
> sharing on the windows side.
> - - Tyler
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Re: linux, windows and vmware

[Zachary Kline]

Hiya,
    Unfortunately I don't have a physical serial port...
    Is there any hope for me?
Thanks,
Zack.

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From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: linux, windows and vmware


> Vmware also has a file sharing capability...never used it, but I know 
> it requires you to install the vmware tools package on the guest 
> operating systems.
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 07:55:40AM -0700, Tyler Spivey 
> wrote:
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>> Vmware with windows as the host works rather well. Serial ports just
>> work, since speakup isn't taking them as under linux. The disadvantage
>> is that windows is very unstable, to the point of needing to be rebooted
>> every cupple of days.
>> 
>> If you run vmware under linux and emulate windows, the windows at least
>> for me was sort of slow. Also, sharing between the two operating systems
>> will be an issue - either way. Samba can help with that, or windows file
>> sharing on the windows side.
>> - - Tyler
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Re[2]: linux, windows and vmware

[Farhan]

on 4/11/2007 at 22:52 Zachary Kline said
>     Unfortunately I don't have a physical serial port...
>     Is there any hope for me?

Well you could run grml under vmware, or maybe ubuntu and play with orca.
The usb to serial converts still apply with speakup in or out of vmware.
I am jus lucky enough myself when I built my machine it had one comport on it.
I really actually don't use speakup much anymore sinse we have gnome, and yasr if I need it.

Re: linux, windows and vmware

[Tyler Spivey]

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One solution could be to run Linux from windows, and using the windows
drivers for the usb-to-serial com port ; afterall, vmware won't care
what's driving a com port; just that it shows up as a com port to
windows - which the USB to serial device will.

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Re: linux, windows and vmware

[Alex Snow]

yYou should have no problem running linux in vmware using your 
hardware synth provided the machine has a physical serial port.  I 
have both fedora and debian running in a copy of vmware on top of 
windows here and it works fine, you just have to go into the settings 
page for the virtual machine and add a serial port mapped to the 
physical serial port on your machine.
On 
Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 08:02:33AM -0600, l84ad8r@gmail.com wrote:
> Hello all, had a quick question, and, this is the only place I could
> think of to ask.
> I am currently running a windows xp pro installation on my laptop,
> but, also run a debian build on a side junk pc that I have. The first
> thing I want to know is: Can I boot a speakup enabled linux, and use
> my hardware synth through vmware? Not sure how I would have to go
> about setting up the serial port issue, and, if that will not work,
> what would it take to get vmware running on linux, and, from there,
> running xp on the vm once I had it going? Would I be able to use
> screen readers in that vm, or, would I run into any trouble?
> I am really new to all this, so, all the help I can get would be wonderful.
> Thanks bunches.
> 
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Re: linux, windows and vmware

[Doug Sutherland]

It's not very difficult to get vmware working, I just did
an install a short while ago. Install the free vmware
server then install a client and the management tool.
They are all installed by script. This is a bit of a bear
to get working on slackware though, for this distro
you need to set up a fake system v init dir tree or the
setup won't run (totally lame install script!), install
pam because vmware wants it and slack doesn't have
it, and I had to change one of the config files related
to pam, but oh well it's slack, I still love my slack lol

One thing I wanted to mention though, I used to run
the old vmware workstation 5 on windows and install
linux on vmware, it worked excellent, performance
was good, even with only 512mb ram in the system.

However, this time I used the new free vmware
server and client setup installed on linux and put
windows on the vmware, it was horribly slow, it
was not usable for my needs. I really don't know
if it's because windows is on vmware (instead of
linux on vmware) or if the new free product just
doesn't perform as well as workstation 5 did.

I just upgraded to 1GB ram so I'll try vmware
again and see if it performs better. The audio
support is horrible on vmware server/client, in
fact its not really supported, and there is only
ONE audio driver, hopefully it works for you, on
my system it works, sort of, sometimes I get
pauses in audio. If I'm not mistaken I think the
vmware server sends audio over a local network
to client, and it's not doing that very well.

If you're going to play with vmware and linux,
set aside lots of time for it, and expect that you
will do some head scratching. It's not difficult
but some things are strange, like it has SCSI
drivers that emulate IDE and there are many
different ways to configure vmware.

The excellent way is setting it up so that you
can either boot directly into each operating
system or run inside a vm. There is a way to
install it this way, by giving the VM access to
the entire disk. There are documents on the
vmware site on how to do this. This way you
have the convenience of booting the guest OS
in a window, or if you need better performance
or true hardware, boot directly into the guest
OS without the VM. I've done it before and
it worked very well.

I may actually buy a newer version of vmware
workstation because I like it much better. It
is one peice of software than I believe is
worth the money.

  -- Doug