Gnopernicus with Festival

Gnopernicus with Festival

[Chuck Hallenbeck]

I thought you might like to know that I have succeeded in getting
Gnopernicus and Festival working with the Gnome Desktop version
2.1 today. It remains to be seen how useful it is, but at least
it is talking and that's half the battle.

The keymap for speakup seems to persist into the Gnome Desktop
environment, and that is the biggest problem right now.
Gnopernicus would also like to use the numeric keypad to navigate
with, but speakup still owns it even when Gnome is running.

I will be preparing a howto on the installation of all this stuff
for Slackware users. Other howto's exist for Debian users.

Chuck

PS -- Please also note my new email address if you wish to
contact me directly.

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Re: Gnopernicus with Festival

[Erik Heil]

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Hi there.  Have you gotten a chance to experiment with any of the Gnome UI?
If so, what is it like?  Similar to Winblows or MacOS X?  i've heard
concepts such as multiple workspaces, and that one can have multiple
desktops within them, but I don't have any notion of them or what to compare
them too.

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Hallenbeck" <chuckh@mhonline.net>
To: "Speakup Distribution List" <speakup@speech.braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 2:23 PM
Subject: Gnopernicus with Festival


> I thought you might like to know that I have succeeded in getting
> Gnopernicus and Festival working with the Gnome Desktop version
> 2.1 today. It remains to be seen how useful it is, but at least
> it is talking and that's half the battle.
>
> The keymap for speakup seems to persist into the Gnome Desktop
> environment, and that is the biggest problem right now.
> Gnopernicus would also like to use the numeric keypad to navigate
> with, but speakup still owns it even when Gnome is running.
>
> I will be preparing a howto on the installation of all this stuff
> for Slackware users. Other howto's exist for Debian users.
>
> Chuck
>
> PS -- Please also note my new email address if you wish to
> contact me directly.
>
> --
> The Moon is Waxing Crescent (49% of Full)
> So visit Chuck Hallenbeck at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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Re: Gnopernicus with Festival

[Chuck Hallenbeck]

Hi Erik,

Too soon to say. The keypad problem limits its usefulness right
now, so I have only been cruising up and down menus and examining
the choices etcetera.

One nice thing about the X window system though is that you have
a large number of choices of "Window Managers" you might run,
some of which are look alikes for MS Windows and others are quite
different. Gnome and Gnopernicus do not limit you to any
particular Window Manager. The Gnopernicus developers recommend
starting with either "sawfish" or "metacity" but I do not have a
feel yet for how they function.

This stuff is way too new to be useful right now, at least my
implementation is. But it is like the proverbial talking dog: the
amazing thing is not how well it talks, but that it talks at all.

Chuck

On Mon, 11 Nov 2002, Erik Heil wrote:

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> Hi there.  Have you gotten a chance to experiment with any of the Gnome UI?
> If so, what is it like?  Similar to Winblows or MacOS X?  i've heard
> concepts such as multiple workspaces, and that one can have multiple
> desktops within them, but I don't have any notion of them or what to compare
> them too.

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The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (51% of Full)
Visit Chuck Hallenbeck at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh

Re: Gnopernicus with Festival

[Erik Heil]

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Yes, that could pose a problem, I think.  What needs to be done is a way to
either disable or catch the system calls made to the Speakup screen review
package.  But their are a myriad of ways one could acaccomplish this.  One
would expect that when Speakup is in the "off" context, it would also
relinquish control of the numeric keypad to the rest of the OS.  The serial
port is another issue, but its not important here, so I won't bring it up.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Hallenbeck" <chuckh@mhonline.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: Gnopernicus with Festival


> Hi Erik,
>
> Too soon to say. The keypad problem limits its usefulness right
> now, so I have only been cruising up and down menus and examining
> the choices etcetera.
>
> One nice thing about the X window system though is that you have
> a large number of choices of "Window Managers" you might run,
> some of which are look alikes for MS Windows and others are quite
> different. Gnome and Gnopernicus do not limit you to any
> particular Window Manager. The Gnopernicus developers recommend
> starting with either "sawfish" or "metacity" but I do not have a
> feel yet for how they function.
>
> This stuff is way too new to be useful right now, at least my
> implementation is. But it is like the proverbial talking dog: the
> amazing thing is not how well it talks, but that it talks at all.
>
> Chuck
>
> On Mon, 11 Nov 2002, Erik Heil wrote:
>
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> > Hi there.  Have you gotten a chance to experiment with any of the Gnome
UI?
> > If so, what is it like?  Similar to Winblows or MacOS X?  i've heard
> > concepts such as multiple workspaces, and that one can have multiple
> > desktops within them, but I don't have any notion of them or what to
compare
> > them too.
>
> --
> The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (51% of Full)
> Visit Chuck Hallenbeck at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: Gnopernicus with Festival

[Adam Myrow]

The way Speakup grabs the keyboard is to load a special keymap which
replaces the functions of the numeric keypad.  So, you could get the
keypad back by using loadkeys to load a U.S. keymap or whatever you need
that doesn't have Speakup support and then reload the Speakup one when
done.  Hardly an elegant solution.  Chuck, have you tried turning on the
numlock and seeing if Gnopernicus will work that way?  The CVS version of
Speakup will let the keypad act normally with the numlock on.
Alternately, somebody who is good with keymaps could write an alternate
keymap that uses the main keyboard.  I've heard of a laptop keymap, so it
may already be out there.

Re: Gnopernicus with Festival

[Chuck Hallenbeck]

Hi Adam,
I am using kernel 2.4.18 with version 1.0 of speakup, and the
numlock feature is not implemented. Maybe I will go to 2.4.19 and
get the CVS version before I try switching keymaps in and out.

Buddy has a laptop keymap that might just do the trick. He
promised me a copy.

Chuck

On Mon, 11 Nov 2002, Adam Myrow wrote:

> The way Speakup grabs the keyboard is to load a special keymap which
> replaces the functions of the numeric keypad.  So, you could get the
> keypad back by using loadkeys to load a U.S. keymap or whatever you need
> that doesn't have Speakup support and then reload the Speakup one when
> done.  Hardly an elegant solution.  Chuck, have you tried turning on the
> numlock and seeing if Gnopernicus will work that way?  The CVS version of
> Speakup will let the keypad act normally with the numlock on.
> Alternately, somebody who is good with keymaps could write an alternate
> keymap that uses the main keyboard.  I've heard of a laptop keymap, so it
> may already be out there.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

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Visit Chuck Hallenbeck at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh