Re: windblows, was: Re: Look Out Macintosh!

Re: windblows, was: Re: Look Out Macintosh!

[Thomas Ward]

hi, generally you want /home to be the largest partition. At least in my
case.
My Red Hat os is on a 40 gb, and I gave 5 gb for installs, about 256 mb for
swap, and the rest was my home partition.

I figured I could load my home partition with downloadds, books, mp3 files,
etc. What is nice about splitting home away from the rest is you can
reinstall or upgrade without trashing your data, personally settings, etc. I
reinstalled Mandrake 8.2 and wonder of wonders Gnome came up with the same
settings I had before blowing away the files, and reinstalled. All because I
left /home alone.

Re: windblows, was: Re: Look Out Macintosh!

[Jason Symes]

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Ok, well I've got about 10gb free, so I would assume that should be enough.

Jason Symes
kids in the backseat can cause accidents, but accidents in the back seat
can cause kids
The best measure of a man's honesty isn't his income tax return. It's the
zero adjust on his bathroom scale. (Arthur C. Clarke)
if you stand for nothing you're liable to fall for anything.
If it weren't for bad luck, I wouldn't have any at all!
Just trying to plug away!

Win4Lin Demo.

[Thomas Ward]

Hi, I thought everyone would be interested in this program I just
discovered.

I am not sure what the accessability of this will be, but thought you might
be interested in knowing this software exists.

 Win4Lin Demo version

Win4Lin Demo version

 Description

Run Your Favorite Windows Applications on Linux Today!

Imagine being able to run your favorite Windows® applications on the Linux®
operating system in the fastest Windows 95/98 environment for Linux.

NeTraverse Win4Lin 3.0 enables Linux users to run popular Windows programs
at native speeds without additional hardware or the need to dual boot,
dramatically
improving productivity and reducing hardware and OS license upgrade cost.

Run Windows and Linux Concurrently
Browse Windows and Linux file systems
Windows share memory like other Linux processes
No partitioning, no dual-boot required

Run Windows Applications on Linux
Run Windows Applications at Native Speeds, if not faster!

Drive down operating costs and increase productivity
Runs on minimally configured PCs
Boots and recovers Windows quickly and easily
Windows application failures will not crash Linux system

Features

Windows Networking Support:
Networking via the Linux® IP stack (WinSock)
Virtual Network Card emulation (VNET) support including Network Neighborhood
and Microsoft Exchange with optional 2nd IP address

New easy-to-use graphical installer - New!
Automates installation, registration & upgrades
Kernel 2.4.x support - New !
Downloads new kernels via installer

List of Popular Application Support
Microsoft® Office Suite
Microsoft Outlook
Microsoft Internet Explorer
Intuit® Quicken
Intuit TurboTax
Lotus® SmartSuite
Adobe®Photoshop
Adobe Acrobat
Netscape® Navigator
Palm Desktop
Winamp
Windows Media Player
ACT!

 Installation

1- use either the Software Manager to install this program
2- or as 'root' from the command line:
urpmi win4lin-mdk-cdcom

 Launch

1- Open the KDE or GNOME menu, click on the Win4Lin icon.

 Useful Links

License Purchase
Publisher Website
http://www.netraverse.com/

 Licence

30 days trial version

Re: Win4Lin Demo.

[Darrell Shandrow]

Hi Thomas,

Since Win4Lin requires use of the GUI under Linux, it would not presently be
accessible until a screen reader like Gnupernicus is ready for primetime.

Thanks.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Ward" <slingshooter@valkyrie.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 4:21 PM
Subject: Win4Lin Demo.


> Hi, I thought everyone would be interested in this program I just
> discovered.
>
> I am not sure what the accessability of this will be, but thought you
might
> be interested in knowing this software exists.
>
>  Win4Lin Demo version
>
> Win4Lin Demo version
>
>  Description
>
> Run Your Favorite Windows Applications on Linux Today!
>
> Imagine being able to run your favorite Windows® applications on the
Linux®
> operating system in the fastest Windows 95/98 environment for Linux.
>
> NeTraverse Win4Lin 3.0 enables Linux users to run popular Windows programs
> at native speeds without additional hardware or the need to dual boot,
> dramatically
> improving productivity and reducing hardware and OS license upgrade cost.
>
> Run Windows and Linux Concurrently
> Browse Windows and Linux file systems
> Windows share memory like other Linux processes
> No partitioning, no dual-boot required
>
> Run Windows Applications on Linux
> Run Windows Applications at Native Speeds, if not faster!
>
> Drive down operating costs and increase productivity
> Runs on minimally configured PCs
> Boots and recovers Windows quickly and easily
> Windows application failures will not crash Linux system
>
> Features
>
> Windows Networking Support:
> Networking via the Linux® IP stack (WinSock)
> Virtual Network Card emulation (VNET) support including Network
Neighborhood
> and Microsoft Exchange with optional 2nd IP address
>
> New easy-to-use graphical installer - New!
> Automates installation, registration & upgrades
> Kernel 2.4.x support - New !
> Downloads new kernels via installer
>
> List of Popular Application Support
> Microsoft® Office Suite
> Microsoft Outlook
> Microsoft Internet Explorer
> Intuit® Quicken
> Intuit TurboTax
> Lotus® SmartSuite
> Adobe®Photoshop
> Adobe Acrobat
> Netscape® Navigator
> Palm Desktop
> Winamp
> Windows Media Player
> ACT!
>
>  Installation
>
> 1- use either the Software Manager to install this program
> 2- or as 'root' from the command line:
> urpmi win4lin-mdk-cdcom
>
>  Launch
>
> 1- Open the KDE or GNOME menu, click on the Win4Lin icon.
>
>  Useful Links
>
> License Purchase
> Publisher Website
> http://www.netraverse.com/
>
>  Licence
>
> 30 days trial version
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: windblows, was: Re: Look Out Macintosh!

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

Amen, sister, you tell it like it is!

Ann P.

-- 
			Ann K. Parsons  
email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
"All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT

Re: windblows, was: Re: Look Out Macintosh!

[Jason Symes]

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No, I was just curious about whether the linux gui's would be more easy for
me to get used to linux to being with. I've been on windows ever since I
lost my sight, and I just thought maybe it would be simpler, but I guess not.
At 10:35 AM 9/15/02 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Jason Symes writes:
>> 
>> Now I'll be interested where to get hold of that, as soon as I can get
>> linux installed.
>Ah ha! I smoked you out.
>
>It's not Windows you're so enamored of. It's graphical user interfacing.
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
Jason Symes
kids in the backseat can cause accidents, but accidents in the back seat
can cause kids
The best measure of a man's honesty isn't his income tax return. It's the
zero adjust on his bathroom scale. (Arthur C. Clarke)
if you stand for nothing you're liable to fall for anything.
If it weren't for bad luck, I wouldn't have any at all!
Just trying to plug away!

Re: windblows, was: Re: Look Out Macintosh!

[Jason Symes]

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Ah, well I was just curious. Thanks.

Jason Symes
kids in the backseat can cause accidents, but accidents in the back seat
can cause kids
The best measure of a man's honesty isn't his income tax return. It's the
zero adjust on his bathroom scale. (Arthur C. Clarke)
if you stand for nothing you're liable to fall for anything.
If it weren't for bad luck, I wouldn't have any at all!
Just trying to plug away!

Re: windblows, was: Re: Look Out Macintosh!

[Jason Symes]

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Well, I do have one question. Someone suggested that I make a home
partition, but how big do I make it? I've still got plenty of space on my
hd right now, but its going fast and I want to make sure I give it the
right amount it needs.
At 08:31 AM 9/15/02 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Hi all,
>
>Jason, I think you will find that you enjoy getting to know Linux.  If
>you are a documents reader, then you should be in clover!  If not,
>there are people who can help you to interpret what you read and to
>put it into action.  Good luck!  I started with Red hat and  switched
>to debian because I liked it better, but you may like RH.  
>
>Ann P.
>
>-- 
>			Ann K. Parsons  
>email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
>WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
>"All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."
JRRT
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
Jason Symes
kids in the backseat can cause accidents, but accidents in the back seat
can cause kids
The best measure of a man's honesty isn't his income tax return. It's the
zero adjust on his bathroom scale. (Arthur C. Clarke)
if you stand for nothing you're liable to fall for anything.
If it weren't for bad luck, I wouldn't have any at all!
Just trying to plug away!

Re: windblows, was: Re: Look Out Macintosh!

[Janina Sajka]

Ann Parsons writes: > > What $1,100? Where? How get? JFW. Or maybe Window-Eyes. Never mind the exact dollar amount, they
all have hefty price-tags. And, you have to pay handsomely for bug-fixes usually called upgrades.

So, another wonderful benefit of Linux, Speakup, Emacspeak, Yasr, Gnopernicus, and the rest, is that the benefit of
computing will no longer be reserved for rich blind people. I think it's about time. For example, it's downright
embarassing how white the participants at CSUN are. One might think there are no other ethnicities among people with
disabilities.


> 
> Ann P.
> 
> -- 
> 			Ann K. Parsons  
> email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
> WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> "All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

   Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
   See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html

Re: windblows, was: Re: Look Out Macintosh!

[Janina Sajka]

Jason Symes writes:
> 
> Now I'll be interested where to get hold of that, as soon as I can get
> linux installed.
Ah ha! I smoked you out.

It's not Windows you're so enamored of. It's graphical user interfacing.

Re: windblows, was: Re: Look Out Macintosh!

[Janina Sajka]

Jason Symes writes:
> 
> So does or will speakup support the linux gui?
No. Speakup is a kernel patch. The gui screen reader slash braille display driver slash magnification utility is called
Gnopernicus.

Re: windblows, was: Re: Look Out Macintosh!

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

Jason, I think you will find that you enjoy getting to know Linux.  If
you are a documents reader, then you should be in clover!  If not,
there are people who can help you to interpret what you read and to
put it into action.  Good luck!  I started with Red hat and  switched
to debian because I liked it better, but you may like RH.  

Ann P.

-- 
			Ann K. Parsons  
email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
"All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT

Re: windblows, was: Re: Look Out Macintosh!

[Jason Symes]

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Now I'll be interested where to get hold of that, as soon as I can get
linux installed. Blasted dialup takes forever to download the redhat isos.
At 06:06 PM 9/15/02 +1000, you wrote:
>
>On Sat, Sep 14, 2002 at 10:55:10PM -0500, MaTt wrote:
>> speaking of this kinda stuff, is there anything that is being thought of or
>> worked on, or is out there, to make xwindows accessable with speech?
>
>
>Yes in fact there is. gnopernicus is being worked on as we speak. from
>what I've heard, it should be ready for us to at least play with around
>the end of this year or so.
>hth
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
Jason Symes
kids in the backseat can cause accidents, but accidents in the back seat
can cause kids
The best measure of a man's honesty isn't his income tax return. It's the
zero adjust on his bathroom scale. (Arthur C. Clarke)
if you stand for nothing you're liable to fall for anything.
If it weren't for bad luck, I wouldn't have any at all!
Just trying to plug away!

Re: windblows, was: Re: Look Out Macintosh!

[shaun_oliver]

On Sat, Sep 14, 2002 at 10:55:10PM -0500, MaTt wrote:
> speaking of this kinda stuff, is there anything that is being thought of or
> worked on, or is out there, to make xwindows accessable with speech?


Yes in fact there is. gnopernicus is being worked on as we speak. from
what I've heard, it should be ready for us to at least play with around
the end of this year or so.
hth

Re: windblows, was: Re: Look Out Macintosh!

[MaTt]

yeah, i'd like to be part of that that gets that money lol

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann Parsons" <akp@eznet.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: windblows, was: Re: Look Out Macintosh!


> Hi all,
>
> What $1,100?  Where?  How get?
>
> Ann P.
>
> --
> Ann K. Parsons
> email:  akp@eznet.net ICQ Number:  33006854
> WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> "All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."
JRRT
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: windblows, was: Re: Look Out Macintosh!

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

What $1,100?  Where?  How get?

Ann P.

-- 
			Ann K. Parsons  
email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
"All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT

Re: windblows, was: Re: Look Out Macintosh!

[MaTt]

speaking of this kinda stuff, is there anything that is being thought of or
worked on, or is out there, to make xwindows accessable with speech?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@cantata.rednote.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: windblows, was: Re: Look Out Macintosh!


> Hey, Linux has a GUI interface, if that's what you think is so
irresistable. Most of us will have at least played around
> with it by the end of the year, I expect.
>
> And, I wonder what we'll do with that $1,100 we don't give to that company
in Florida. Hmmm, I know what I'll do with
> mine ...
>
> > On Fri, Sep 13, 2002 at 02:44:22PM -0500, Jason Symes wrote:
> > > Now I can take issue with that, but I won't. Suffice it to say that
Windows
> > > will stay no. 1 because of its easy, graphical interface.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
>
>    Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
>    See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: windblows, was: Re: Look Out Macintosh!

[Jason Symes]

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So does or will speakup support the linux gui? Yeah, can't say I enjoy that
company in fla either, that's why I use that company's program from Indiana.
At 08:48 PM 9/14/02 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Hey, Linux has a GUI interface, if that's what you think is so
irresistable. Most of us will have at least played around
>with it by the end of the year, I expect.
>
>And, I wonder what we'll do with that $1,100 we don't give to that company
in Florida. Hmmm, I know what I'll do with
>mine ...
>
>> On Fri, Sep 13, 2002 at 02:44:22PM -0500, Jason Symes wrote:
>> > Now I can take issue with that, but I won't. Suffice it to say that
Windows
>> > will stay no. 1 because of its easy, graphical interface.
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>-- 
>	
>				Janina Sajka, Director
>				Technology Research and Development
>				Governmental Relations Group
>				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
>Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
>Chair, Accessibility SIG
>Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
>http://www.openebook.org
>
>   Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
>   See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
Jason Symes
kids in the backseat can cause accidents, but accidents in the back seat
can cause kids
The best measure of a man's honesty isn't his income tax return. It's the
zero adjust on his bathroom scale. (Arthur C. Clarke)
if you stand for nothing you're liable to fall for anything.
If it weren't for bad luck, I wouldn't have any at all!
Just trying to plug away!

Re: windblows, was: Re: Look Out Macintosh!

[Janina Sajka]

Hey, Linux has a GUI interface, if that's what you think is so irresistable. Most of us will have at least played around
with it by the end of the year, I expect.

And, I wonder what we'll do with that $1,100 we don't give to that company in Florida. Hmmm, I know what I'll do with
mine ...

> On Fri, Sep 13, 2002 at 02:44:22PM -0500, Jason Symes wrote:
> > Now I can take issue with that, but I won't. Suffice it to say that Windows
> > will stay no. 1 because of its easy, graphical interface.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

   Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
   See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html

Re: windblows, was: Re: Look Out Macintosh!

[Jason Symes]

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Gees, can't even type for beans! I was addressing why sighties will use
windows, not whether vi or blind people will. If I could only type anymore!
At 05:29 PM 9/13/02 -0500, you wrote:
>By the way, I was addressing why sighted people continue to use windows,
>not whether sighted people will use it. I should add that I think linux
>will compete with ms in certain sectors of our economy, say in the schools
>of higher learning and large corperate businesses, though I doubt linux
>will be a serious competitor in the home pc sector.
>At 05:21 PM 9/13/02 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>>If you're in windblows, and there is something for which you don't have
>set files or scripts for your screen reader, hearing "custom control" as
>you move around is indeed very intuitive, (yes, I'm being sarcastic).
>>Greg
>>
>>
>>On Fri, Sep 13, 2002 at 02:44:22PM -0500, Jason Symes wrote:
>>> Now I can take issue with that, but I won't. Suffice it to say that
Windows
>>> will stay no. 1 because of its easy, graphical interface.
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Speakup mailing list
>>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>>
>Jason Symes
>kids in the backseat can cause accidents, but accidents in the back seat
>can cause kids
>The best measure of a man's honesty isn't his income tax return. It's the
>zero adjust on his bathroom scale. (Arthur C. Clarke)
>if you stand for nothing you're liable to fall for anything.
>If it weren't for bad luck, I wouldn't have any at all!
>Just trying to plug away!
>
Jason Symes
kids in the backseat can cause accidents, but accidents in the back seat
can cause kids
The best measure of a man's honesty isn't his income tax return. It's the
zero adjust on his bathroom scale. (Arthur C. Clarke)
if you stand for nothing you're liable to fall for anything.
If it weren't for bad luck, I wouldn't have any at all!
Just trying to plug away!

Re: windblows, was: Re: Look Out Macintosh!

[Jason Symes]

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By the way, I was addressing why sighted people continue to use windows,
not whether sighted people will use it. I should add that I think linux
will compete with ms in certain sectors of our economy, say in the schools
of higher learning and large corperate businesses, though I doubt linux
will be a serious competitor in the home pc sector.
At 05:21 PM 9/13/02 -0500, you wrote:
>
>If you're in windblows, and there is something for which you don't have
set files or scripts for your screen reader, hearing "custom control" as
you move around is indeed very intuitive, (yes, I'm being sarcastic).
>Greg
>
>
>On Fri, Sep 13, 2002 at 02:44:22PM -0500, Jason Symes wrote:
>> Now I can take issue with that, but I won't. Suffice it to say that Windows
>> will stay no. 1 because of its easy, graphical interface.
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
Jason Symes
kids in the backseat can cause accidents, but accidents in the back seat
can cause kids
The best measure of a man's honesty isn't his income tax return. It's the
zero adjust on his bathroom scale. (Arthur C. Clarke)
if you stand for nothing you're liable to fall for anything.
If it weren't for bad luck, I wouldn't have any at all!
Just trying to plug away!

Re: windblows, was: Re: Look Out Macintosh!

[Jason Symes]

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All it takes is a reclass to redefine most of them, but as I said I won't
argue about that. There's 2 things that'll keep windows the standard os for
years to come, simplicity and inertia. Do I need to say more?
At 05:21 PM 9/13/02 -0500, you wrote:
>
>If you're in windblows, and there is something for which you don't have
set files or scripts for your screen reader, hearing "custom control" as
you move around is indeed very intuitive, (yes, I'm being sarcastic).
>Greg

Jason Symes
kids in the backseat can cause accidents, but accidents in the back seat
can cause kids
The best measure of a man's honesty isn't his income tax return. It's the
zero adjust on his bathroom scale. (Arthur C. Clarke)
if you stand for nothing you're liable to fall for anything.
If it weren't for bad luck, I wouldn't have any at all!
Just trying to plug away!

windblows, was: Re: Look Out Macintosh!

[Gregory Nowak]

If you're in windblows, and there is something for which you don't have set files or scripts for your screen reader, hearing "custom control" as you move around is indeed very intuitive, (yes, I'm being sarcastic).
Greg


On Fri, Sep 13, 2002 at 02:44:22PM -0500, Jason Symes wrote:
> Now I can take issue with that, but I won't. Suffice it to say that Windows
> will stay no. 1 because of its easy, graphical interface.