question about Gnopernicus

question about Gnopernicus

[Scott Berry]

I am wondering if Gnopernicus can be built with the Doubletalk installed.
I am a musician and I am trying to work in Gnome with some recording apps
but when I go to record I loose Festivals speech and therefore am lost.  I
did look at the Gnopernicus site but didn't find the answer there.


-- 
Scott Berry
Email: n7zib@bresnan.net

Re: question about Gnopernicus

[Janina Sajka]

I've cc'd this response to the GNOME Accessibility development list
because I think you make an outstanding case. I have had exactly the
same experience myself. I, too, am a musician and most interested in
GNOME accessibility for the purpose of doing music work with
applications like Beast Gmorgan, and Jack Rack.

I find that I can only run Gnopernicus for a minute or two before ESD (I think it's ESD)
crashes my system. The lockups are sometimes hard lockups that even
prevent me from switching consoles. My only salvation from a reboot is
to have an SSH session going from another machine. That way I can kill
the dozen or so processes GNOME is running in order to try again.

PS: Just restarting X with a Ctrl-Alt-Backspace doesn't do the trick.
Neither does issuing a telinit 3 followed by telinit 5 from the console.


Scott Berry writes:
> From: Scott Berry <scott@drscott.dyndns.biz>
> 
> I am wondering if Gnopernicus can be built with the Doubletalk installed.
> I am a musician and I am trying to work in Gnome with some recording apps
> but when I go to record I loose Festivals speech and therefore am lost.  I
> did look at the Gnopernicus site but didn't find the answer there.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Scott Berry
> Email: n7zib@bresnan.net
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
	
Janina Sajka
Email: janina@rednote.net		
Phone: (202) 408-8175

Director, Technology Research and Development
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
http://www.afb.org

Chair, Accessibility Work Group
Free Standards Group
http://accessibility.freestandards.org

Re: question about Gnopernicus

[Scott Berry]

Ah hah!  You answered my question I was wondering as to why my system
thinks it must crash in Gnome.  Thanks for the help.  Very much
appreciated.On Thu, 1 Jan 2004, Janina Sajka wrote:

> I've cc'd this response to the GNOME Accessibility development list
> because I think you make an outstanding case. I have had exactly the
> same experience myself. I, too, am a musician and most interested in
> GNOME accessibility for the purpose of doing music work with
> applications like Beast Gmorgan, and Jack Rack.
>
> I find that I can only run Gnopernicus for a minute or two before ESD (I think it's ESD)
> crashes my system. The lockups are sometimes hard lockups that even
> prevent me from switching consoles. My only salvation from a reboot is
> to have an SSH session going from another machine. That way I can kill
> the dozen or so processes GNOME is running in order to try again.
>
> PS: Just restarting X with a Ctrl-Alt-Backspace doesn't do the trick.
> Neither does issuing a telinit 3 followed by telinit 5 from the console.
>
>
> Scott Berry writes:
> > From: Scott Berry <scott@drscott.dyndns.biz>
> >
> > I am wondering if Gnopernicus can be built with the Doubletalk installed.
> > I am a musician and I am trying to work in Gnome with some recording apps
> > but when I go to record I loose Festivals speech and therefore am lost.  I
> > did look at the Gnopernicus site but didn't find the answer there.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Scott Berry
> > Email: n7zib@bresnan.net
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>

-- 
Scott Berry
Email: n7zib@bresnan.net

Re: question about Gnopernicus

[Janina Sajka]

Actually, Scott, I went off on the case for how Gnopernicus is without
multiple sound sources and missed answering your question! <grin> Sorry.

At this time there is no hardware speech support for Gnopernicus. I
think there should be.

It's also possible that we should work on finding ways to give ESD and
Gnome-Speech one sound device, while keeping a second device for access
with apps like Jack, Beast, and all those other tantalizing music apps
out there. Eventually, this kind of configuration will be essential
anyway for doing music. You wouldn't want DEC Talk to star in your
magnum opus--unless, of course, you wanted DEC Talk in that opus.


Scott Berry writes:
> From: Scott Berry <scott@drscott.dyndns.biz>
> 
> Ah hah!  You answered my question I was wondering as to why my system
> thinks it must crash in Gnome.  Thanks for the help.  Very much
> appreciated.On Thu, 1 Jan 2004, Janina Sajka wrote:
> 
> > I've cc'd this response to the GNOME Accessibility development list
> > because I think you make an outstanding case. I have had exactly the
> > same experience myself. I, too, am a musician and most interested in
> > GNOME accessibility for the purpose of doing music work with
> > applications like Beast Gmorgan, and Jack Rack.
> >
> > I find that I can only run Gnopernicus for a minute or two before ESD (I think it's ESD)
> > crashes my system. The lockups are sometimes hard lockups that even
> > prevent me from switching consoles. My only salvation from a reboot is
> > to have an SSH session going from another machine. That way I can kill
> > the dozen or so processes GNOME is running in order to try again.
> >
> > PS: Just restarting X with a Ctrl-Alt-Backspace doesn't do the trick.
> > Neither does issuing a telinit 3 followed by telinit 5 from the console.
> >
> >
> > Scott Berry writes:
> > > From: Scott Berry <scott@drscott.dyndns.biz>
> > >
> > > I am wondering if Gnopernicus can be built with the Doubletalk installed.
> > > I am a musician and I am trying to work in Gnome with some recording apps
> > > but when I go to record I loose Festivals speech and therefore am lost.  I
> > > did look at the Gnopernicus site but didn't find the answer there.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Scott Berry
> > > Email: n7zib@bresnan.net
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> 
> -- 
> Scott Berry
> Email: n7zib@bresnan.net
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
	
Janina Sajka
Email: janina@rednote.net		
Phone: (202) 408-8175

Director, Technology Research and Development
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
http://www.afb.org

Chair, Accessibility Work Group
Free Standards Group
http://accessibility.freestandards.org

Re: question about Gnopernicus

[Alex Snow]

yes I would also like hardware speech support. I think stuff would run 
a lot faster if i wasnt using festival for speech.
On Thu, Jan 01, 2004 
at 06:52:07PM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> Actually, Scott, I went off on the case for how Gnopernicus is without
> multiple sound sources and missed answering your question! <grin> Sorry.
> 
> At this time there is no hardware speech support for Gnopernicus. I
> think there should be.
> 
> It's also possible that we should work on finding ways to give ESD and
> Gnome-Speech one sound device, while keeping a second device for access
> with apps like Jack, Beast, and all those other tantalizing music apps
> out there. Eventually, this kind of configuration will be essential
> anyway for doing music. You wouldn't want DEC Talk to star in your
> magnum opus--unless, of course, you wanted DEC Talk in that opus.
> 
> 
> Scott Berry writes:
> > From: Scott Berry <scott@drscott.dyndns.biz>
> > 
> > Ah hah!  You answered my question I was wondering as to why my system
> > thinks it must crash in Gnome.  Thanks for the help.  Very much
> > appreciated.On Thu, 1 Jan 2004, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > 
> > > I've cc'd this response to the GNOME Accessibility development list
> > > because I think you make an outstanding case. I have had exactly the
> > > same experience myself. I, too, am a musician and most interested in
> > > GNOME accessibility for the purpose of doing music work with
> > > applications like Beast Gmorgan, and Jack Rack.
> > >
> > > I find that I can only run Gnopernicus for a minute or two before ESD (I think it's ESD)
> > > crashes my system. The lockups are sometimes hard lockups that even
> > > prevent me from switching consoles. My only salvation from a reboot is
> > > to have an SSH session going from another machine. That way I can kill
> > > the dozen or so processes GNOME is running in order to try again.
> > >
> > > PS: Just restarting X with a Ctrl-Alt-Backspace doesn't do the trick.
> > > Neither does issuing a telinit 3 followed by telinit 5 from the console.
> > >
> > >
> > > Scott Berry writes:
> > > > From: Scott Berry <scott@drscott.dyndns.biz>
> > > >
> > > > I am wondering if Gnopernicus can be built with the Doubletalk installed.
> > > > I am a musician and I am trying to work in Gnome with some recording apps
> > > > but when I go to record I loose Festivals speech and therefore am lost.  I
> > > > did look at the Gnopernicus site but didn't find the answer there.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Scott Berry
> > > > Email: n7zib@bresnan.net
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > -- 
> > Scott Berry
> > Email: n7zib@bresnan.net
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> -- 
> 	
> Janina Sajka
> Email: janina@rednote.net		
> Phone: (202) 408-8175
> 
> Director, Technology Research and Development
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> http://www.afb.org
> 
> Chair, Accessibility Work Group
> Free Standards Group
> http://accessibility.freestandards.org
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
Always borrow money from a pessimist; he doesn't expect to be paid
back.

Re: question about Gnopernicus

[Janina Sajka]

Well, OK, but it's not much use telling me or the Speakup list. You
should say so on the GNOME Accessibility development list.

Alex Snow writes:
> From: Alex Snow <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> 
> yes I would also like hardware speech support. I think stuff would run 
> a lot faster if i wasnt using festival for speech.
> On Thu, Jan 01, 2004 
> at 06:52:07PM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > Actually, Scott, I went off on the case for how Gnopernicus is without
> > multiple sound sources and missed answering your question! <grin> Sorry.
> > 
> > At this time there is no hardware speech support for Gnopernicus. I
> > think there should be.
> > 
> > It's also possible that we should work on finding ways to give ESD and
> > Gnome-Speech one sound device, while keeping a second device for access
> > with apps like Jack, Beast, and all those other tantalizing music apps
> > out there. Eventually, this kind of configuration will be essential
> > anyway for doing music. You wouldn't want DEC Talk to star in your
> > magnum opus--unless, of course, you wanted DEC Talk in that opus.
> > 
> > 
> > Scott Berry writes:
> > > From: Scott Berry <scott@drscott.dyndns.biz>
> > > 
> > > Ah hah!  You answered my question I was wondering as to why my system
> > > thinks it must crash in Gnome.  Thanks for the help.  Very much
> > > appreciated.On Thu, 1 Jan 2004, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I've cc'd this response to the GNOME Accessibility development list
> > > > because I think you make an outstanding case. I have had exactly the
> > > > same experience myself. I, too, am a musician and most interested in
> > > > GNOME accessibility for the purpose of doing music work with
> > > > applications like Beast Gmorgan, and Jack Rack.
> > > >
> > > > I find that I can only run Gnopernicus for a minute or two before ESD (I think it's ESD)
> > > > crashes my system. The lockups are sometimes hard lockups that even
> > > > prevent me from switching consoles. My only salvation from a reboot is
> > > > to have an SSH session going from another machine. That way I can kill
> > > > the dozen or so processes GNOME is running in order to try again.
> > > >
> > > > PS: Just restarting X with a Ctrl-Alt-Backspace doesn't do the trick.
> > > > Neither does issuing a telinit 3 followed by telinit 5 from the console.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Scott Berry writes:
> > > > > From: Scott Berry <scott@drscott.dyndns.biz>
> > > > >
> > > > > I am wondering if Gnopernicus can be built with the Doubletalk installed.
> > > > > I am a musician and I am trying to work in Gnome with some recording apps
> > > > > but when I go to record I loose Festivals speech and therefore am lost.  I
> > > > > did look at the Gnopernicus site but didn't find the answer there.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Scott Berry
> > > > > Email: n7zib@bresnan.net
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > > >
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > Scott Berry
> > > Email: n7zib@bresnan.net
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> > -- 
> > 	
> > Janina Sajka
> > Email: janina@rednote.net		
> > Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > 
> > Director, Technology Research and Development
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > http://www.afb.org
> > 
> > Chair, Accessibility Work Group
> > Free Standards Group
> > http://accessibility.freestandards.org
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> -- 
> Always borrow money from a pessimist; he doesn't expect to be paid
> back.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
	
Janina Sajka
Email: janina@rednote.net		
Phone: (202) 408-8175

Director, Technology Research and Development
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
http://www.afb.org

Chair, Accessibility Work Group
Free Standards Group
http://accessibility.freestandards.org

Re: question about Gnopernicus

[Shaun Oliver]

no matter what platform you're running,
software speech by it's very nature slows down the machine.
I find when I'm broadcasting to a shoutcast server from my windows
machine I end up with a stram that's sounding slightly distorted and
with a wacky reverb that geoff shang can testify to as he's heard it
happen.
the problem I think is that software speech is almost as resource hungry
as your audio apps out there and places unnecissary load on the system
when you're doing intensive disk work e.g. laying down an audio track
for your up coming masterpiece.
the result of this unnecissary load is dropout in your recording or
skipping. either one will result in your having to go back and redo the
recording all over again.

-- 
Shaun Oliver


"I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person."
email: shaun_oliver@optusnet.com.au
WEB: http://blindman.homelinux.org/
IRC: irc.awesomechat.net:6666
IRCNICK: blindman

Re: question about Gnopernicus

[Tom and Esther Ward]

That is very true. It also doesn't help that free open source software
speech systems such as festival wasn't specifically designed for screen
readers to begin with.For example festival to date doesn't have callback
support which makes festival and it's clones somewhat sluggish compared to
comercial synths such as viavoice Outloud.
I think at some point down the road once gnome accessibility and KDE
accessibility is well on it's way Baum should probably design there own
software speech system that is more robust and more responcive that the
current line of open source synth systems.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Oliver" <shaun_oliver@optusnet.com.au>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 7:47 AM
Subject: Re: question about Gnopernicus


> no matter what platform you're running,
> software speech by it's very nature slows down the machine.
> I find when I'm broadcasting to a shoutcast server from my windows
> machine I end up with a stram that's sounding slightly distorted and
> with a wacky reverb that geoff shang can testify to as he's heard it
> happen.
> the problem I think is that software speech is almost as resource hungry
> as your audio apps out there and places unnecissary load on the system
> when you're doing intensive disk work e.g. laying down an audio track
> for your up coming masterpiece.
> the result of this unnecissary load is dropout in your recording or
> skipping. either one will result in your having to go back and redo the
> recording all over again.
>
> --
> Shaun Oliver
>
>
> "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person."
> email: shaun_oliver@optusnet.com.au
> WEB: http://blindman.homelinux.org/
> IRC: irc.awesomechat.net:6666
> IRCNICK: blindman
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: question about Gnopernicus

[Scott Berry]

I did see the viavoice.tgz on baum's site and I thought about
downloading it but haven't done it yet.
On Fri, 2 Jan 2004, Tom and Esther
Ward wrote:

> That is very true. It also doesn't help that free open source software
> speech systems such as festival wasn't specifically designed for screen
> readers to begin with.For example festival to date doesn't have callback
> support which makes festival and it's clones somewhat sluggish compared to
> comercial synths such as viavoice Outloud.
> I think at some point down the road once gnome accessibility and KDE
> accessibility is well on it's way Baum should probably design there own
> software speech system that is more robust and more responcive that the
> current line of open source synth systems.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Shaun Oliver" <shaun_oliver@optusnet.com.au>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 7:47 AM
> Subject: Re: question about Gnopernicus
>
>
> > no matter what platform you're running,
> > software speech by it's very nature slows down the machine.
> > I find when I'm broadcasting to a shoutcast server from my windows
> > machine I end up with a stram that's sounding slightly distorted and
> > with a wacky reverb that geoff shang can testify to as he's heard it
> > happen.
> > the problem I think is that software speech is almost as resource hungry
> > as your audio apps out there and places unnecissary load on the system
> > when you're doing intensive disk work e.g. laying down an audio track
> > for your up coming masterpiece.
> > the result of this unnecissary load is dropout in your recording or
> > skipping. either one will result in your having to go back and redo the
> > recording all over again.
> >
> > --
> > Shaun Oliver
> >
> >
> > "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person."
> > email: shaun_oliver@optusnet.com.au
> > WEB: http://blindman.homelinux.org/
> > IRC: irc.awesomechat.net:6666
> > IRCNICK: blindman
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

-- 
Scott Berry
Email: n7zib@bresnan.net

Re: question about Gnopernicus

[Tom and Esther Ward]

Well, Viavoice is pretty tuff to get working on modern  Linux distros. It is
incompatible with the libs that ship with Mandrake 9.2 and Fedora Core 1.0.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Berry" <scott@drscott.dyndns.biz>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: question about Gnopernicus


> I did see the viavoice.tgz on baum's site and I thought about
> downloading it but haven't done it yet.
> On Fri, 2 Jan 2004, Tom and Esther
> Ward wrote:
>
> > That is very true. It also doesn't help that free open source software
> > speech systems such as festival wasn't specifically designed for screen
> > readers to begin with.For example festival to date doesn't have callback
> > support which makes festival and it's clones somewhat sluggish compared
to
> > comercial synths such as viavoice Outloud.
> > I think at some point down the road once gnome accessibility and KDE
> > accessibility is well on it's way Baum should probably design there own
> > software speech system that is more robust and more responcive that the
> > current line of open source synth systems.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Shaun Oliver" <shaun_oliver@optusnet.com.au>
> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 7:47 AM
> > Subject: Re: question about Gnopernicus
> >
> >
> > > no matter what platform you're running,
> > > software speech by it's very nature slows down the machine.
> > > I find when I'm broadcasting to a shoutcast server from my windows
> > > machine I end up with a stram that's sounding slightly distorted and
> > > with a wacky reverb that geoff shang can testify to as he's heard it
> > > happen.
> > > the problem I think is that software speech is almost as resource
hungry
> > > as your audio apps out there and places unnecissary load on the system
> > > when you're doing intensive disk work e.g. laying down an audio track
> > > for your up coming masterpiece.
> > > the result of this unnecissary load is dropout in your recording or
> > > skipping. either one will result in your having to go back and redo
the
> > > recording all over again.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Shaun Oliver
> > >
> > >
> > > "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person."
> > > email: shaun_oliver@optusnet.com.au
> > > WEB: http://blindman.homelinux.org/
> > > IRC: irc.awesomechat.net:6666
> > > IRCNICK: blindman
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> --
> Scott Berry
> Email: n7zib@bresnan.net
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: question about Gnopernicus

[Scott Berry]

So it would I would assume be difficult with Debian as well?

On Fri, 2 Jan
2004, Tom and Esther Ward wrote:

> Well, Viavoice is pretty tuff to get working on modern  Linux distros. It is
> incompatible with the libs that ship with Mandrake 9.2 and Fedora Core 1.0.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Berry" <scott@drscott.dyndns.biz>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 6:29 PM
> Subject: Re: question about Gnopernicus
>
>
> > I did see the viavoice.tgz on baum's site and I thought about
> > downloading it but haven't done it yet.
> > On Fri, 2 Jan 2004, Tom and Esther
> > Ward wrote:
> >
> > > That is very true. It also doesn't help that free open source software
> > > speech systems such as festival wasn't specifically designed for screen
> > > readers to begin with.For example festival to date doesn't have callback
> > > support which makes festival and it's clones somewhat sluggish compared
> to
> > > comercial synths such as viavoice Outloud.
> > > I think at some point down the road once gnome accessibility and KDE
> > > accessibility is well on it's way Baum should probably design there own
> > > software speech system that is more robust and more responcive that the
> > > current line of open source synth systems.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Shaun Oliver" <shaun_oliver@optusnet.com.au>
> > > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 7:47 AM
> > > Subject: Re: question about Gnopernicus
> > >
> > >
> > > > no matter what platform you're running,
> > > > software speech by it's very nature slows down the machine.
> > > > I find when I'm broadcasting to a shoutcast server from my windows
> > > > machine I end up with a stram that's sounding slightly distorted and
> > > > with a wacky reverb that geoff shang can testify to as he's heard it
> > > > happen.
> > > > the problem I think is that software speech is almost as resource
> hungry
> > > > as your audio apps out there and places unnecissary load on the system
> > > > when you're doing intensive disk work e.g. laying down an audio track
> > > > for your up coming masterpiece.
> > > > the result of this unnecissary load is dropout in your recording or
> > > > skipping. either one will result in your having to go back and redo
> the
> > > > recording all over again.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Shaun Oliver
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person."
> > > > email: shaun_oliver@optusnet.com.au
> > > > WEB: http://blindman.homelinux.org/
> > > > IRC: irc.awesomechat.net:6666
> > > > IRCNICK: blindman
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Scott Berry
> > Email: n7zib@bresnan.net
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
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Email: n7zib@bresnan.net

Re: question about Gnopernicus

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.  Yes.  You could get it working on potato or maybe Woody but not
testing or unstable.
If you used Potato or Woody, you would have to build a lot of apps from
source to try to update them.

Hope this helps.
          Kenny
	  
On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 10:37:44PM -0700, Scott Berry wrote:
> So it would I would assume be difficult with Debian as well?
> 
> On Fri, 2 Jan
> 2004, Tom and Esther Ward wrote:
> 
> > Well, Viavoice is pretty tuff to get working on modern  Linux distros. It is
> > incompatible with the libs that ship with Mandrake 9.2 and Fedora Core 1.0.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Scott Berry" <scott@drscott.dyndns.biz>
> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 6:29 PM
> > Subject: Re: question about Gnopernicus
> >
> >
> > > I did see the viavoice.tgz on baum's site and I thought about
> > > downloading it but haven't done it yet.
> > > On Fri, 2 Jan 2004, Tom and Esther
> > > Ward wrote:
> > >
> > > > That is very true. It also doesn't help that free open source software
> > > > speech systems such as festival wasn't specifically designed for screen
> > > > readers to begin with.For example festival to date doesn't have callback
> > > > support which makes festival and it's clones somewhat sluggish compared
> > to
> > > > comercial synths such as viavoice Outloud.
> > > > I think at some point down the road once gnome accessibility and KDE
> > > > accessibility is well on it's way Baum should probably design there own
> > > > software speech system that is more robust and more responcive that the
> > > > current line of open source synth systems.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Shaun Oliver" <shaun_oliver@optusnet.com.au>
> > > > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> > <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 7:47 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: question about Gnopernicus
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > no matter what platform you're running,
> > > > > software speech by it's very nature slows down the machine.
> > > > > I find when I'm broadcasting to a shoutcast server from my windows
> > > > > machine I end up with a stram that's sounding slightly distorted and
> > > > > with a wacky reverb that geoff shang can testify to as he's heard it
> > > > > happen.
> > > > > the problem I think is that software speech is almost as resource
> > hungry
> > > > > as your audio apps out there and places unnecissary load on the system
> > > > > when you're doing intensive disk work e.g. laying down an audio track
> > > > > for your up coming masterpiece.
> > > > > the result of this unnecissary load is dropout in your recording or
> > > > > skipping. either one will result in your having to go back and redo
> > the
> > > > > recording all over again.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Shaun Oliver
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person."
> > > > > email: shaun_oliver@optusnet.com.au
> > > > > WEB: http://blindman.homelinux.org/
> > > > > IRC: irc.awesomechat.net:6666
> > > > > IRCNICK: blindman
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Scott Berry
> > > Email: n7zib@bresnan.net
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> -- 
> Scott Berry
> Email: n7zib@bresnan.net
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: question about Gnopernicus

[Tom and Esther Ward]

Hi, I think one of the major problems in getting hardware speech with
gnopernicus is getting hands on one of those synths. I'd behappy to work on
doubletalk drivers, get the documentation for the synth, and patch it into
gnopernicus, but I am not willing to put $300 on the table just to get the
synth to write drivers for it. I feel many of the developers are placed in a
similar situation.
Does anyone know where to get doubletalks or other synths like it at a
reasonible price like $25 to $50 range?

Re: question about Gnopernicus

[Chuck Hallenbeck]

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There is a driver in the standard kernel for the doubletalk
devices. It was included there about four years ago. Can't that
driver be used? Emacspeak uses it. It was developed by Jim Van
Zandt.

Chuck
On Thu, 1 Jan 2004, Tom and Esther Ward wrote:

> Hi, I think one of the major problems in getting hardware speech with
> gnopernicus is getting hands on one of those synths. I'd behappy to work on
> doubletalk drivers, get the documentation for the synth, and patch it into
> gnopernicus, but I am not willing to put $300 on the table just to get the
> synth to write drivers for it. I feel many of the developers are placed in a
> similar situation.
> Does anyone know where to get doubletalks or other synths like it at a
> reasonible price like $25 to $50 range?
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

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Re: question about Gnopernicus

[Shaun Oliver]

I think the problem there chuck is that that driver is at too lower
level for gnopernicus to make any real use of. however, as I'm not a
kernel hacker, or a hacker of any kind, saave the odd useless shell
script, doesn't mean it's impossible.
that's just my oppinion and I've probably got myself out of my deapth on
this so I'll sit back and read on.

-- 
Shaun Oliver


"I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person."
email: shaun_oliver@optusnet.com.au
WEB: http://blindman.homelinux.org/
IRC: irc.awesomechat.net:6666
IRCNICK: blindman

Re: question about Gnopernicus

[Alex Snow]

gnopernicus isn't what you'd modify. the pkg you would need to work 
with is gnome-speach and possibly a little with gnopernicus.
On Fri, Jan 
02, 2004 at 11:53:20PM +1100, Shaun Oliver wrote:
> I think the problem there chuck is that that driver is at too lower
> level for gnopernicus to make any real use of. however, as I'm not a
> kernel hacker, or a hacker of any kind, saave the odd useless shell
> script, doesn't mean it's impossible.
> that's just my oppinion and I've probably got myself out of my deapth on
> this so I'll sit back and read on.
> 
> -- 
> Shaun Oliver
> 
> 
> "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person."
> email: shaun_oliver@optusnet.com.au
> WEB: http://blindman.homelinux.org/
> IRC: irc.awesomechat.net:6666
> IRCNICK: blindman
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
Always borrow money from a pessimist; he doesn't expect to be paid
back.

Re: question about Gnopernicus

[Tom and Esther Ward]

No, the kernel driver wouldn't work with gnopernicus.  There is a couple of
strait ffforward reasons why a kernel dependant driver can't be used.

1. Gnopernicus is compiled cross platforms such as Solaris, Linux, FreeBSD,
and others. A gnome-speech driver has to be non-os specific which the
doubletalk kernel driver is Linux specific.
2. The gnome-speech api uses bonobo as a core part of the api which is
linked into gnome and not kernel based. Any driver for Gnopernicus will have
to be designed around standard serial headers and the bonobo api.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Hallenbeck" <chuckh@sent.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 6:40 AM
Subject: Re: question about Gnopernicus


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>
>
> There is a driver in the standard kernel for the doubletalk
> devices. It was included there about four years ago. Can't that
> driver be used? Emacspeak uses it. It was developed by Jim Van
> Zandt.
>
> Chuck
> On Thu, 1 Jan 2004, Tom and Esther Ward wrote:
>
> > Hi, I think one of the major problems in getting hardware speech with
> > gnopernicus is getting hands on one of those synths. I'd behappy to work
on
> > doubletalk drivers, get the documentation for the synth, and patch it
into
> > gnopernicus, but I am not willing to put $300 on the table just to get
the
> > synth to write drivers for it. I feel many of the developers are placed
in a
> > similar situation.
> > Does anyone know where to get doubletalks or other synths like it at a
> > reasonible price like $25 to $50 range?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
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> In a world without Fences or Walls no one needs Windows or Gates.
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Re: question about Gnopernicus

[Shaun Oliver]

what's wrong with following the developers guide for doubletalk and
trying to implement a module for gnopernicus.
yes you'd need to test it but why not put out a plea for a guineapig.
either way someone's got to test it and give you feedback.

-- 
Shaun Oliver


"I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person."
email: shaun_oliver@optusnet.com.au
WEB: http://blindman.homelinux.org/
IRC: irc.awesomechat.net:6666
IRCNICK: blindman

Re: question about Gnopernicus

[Charles Crawford]

ACB has a doubletalk external synth.  Maybe we could send it to a developer 
for the time it would take to develop the drivers.

-- charlie.
At 11:54 PM 01/01/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi, I think one of the major problems in getting hardware speech with
>gnopernicus is getting hands on one of those synths. I'd behappy to work on
>doubletalk drivers, get the documentation for the synth, and patch it into
>gnopernicus, but I am not willing to put $300 on the table just to get the
>synth to write drivers for it. I feel many of the developers are placed in a
>similar situation.
>Does anyone know where to get doubletalks or other synths like it at a
>reasonible price like $25 to $50 range?
>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: question about Gnopernicus

[Scott Berry]

Boy if I knew how I could start on them but I have no clue on speech
drivers.  I feel a little dumb being a computer science student and
can't even program drivers.  That is one thing I just haven't learned
yet.  But if I could get some pointing I could probably start work on
them with a little hand holding.

On Fri, 2 Jan 2004, Charles Crawford
wrote:

> ACB has a doubletalk external synth.  Maybe we could send it to a developer
> for the time it would take to develop the drivers.
>
> -- charlie.
> At 11:54 PM 01/01/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> >Hi, I think one of the major problems in getting hardware speech with
> >gnopernicus is getting hands on one of those synths. I'd behappy to work on
> >doubletalk drivers, get the documentation for the synth, and patch it into
> >gnopernicus, but I am not willing to put $300 on the table just to get the
> >synth to write drivers for it. I feel many of the developers are placed in a
> >similar situation.
> >Does anyone know where to get doubletalks or other synths like it at a
> >reasonible price like $25 to $50 range?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

-- 
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Email: n7zib@bresnan.net

Re: question about Gnopernicus

[Tom and Esther Ward]

Hi, Scott.
Don't feel so bad. As a developer I know that writing drivers isn't
something you pick up over night. The way you would write a kernel driver
for Linux is different for you would write one for libgnome-speech.
Either way I don't know of any developer that hasn't done some research
before sitting down to write a driver. If I were to write say the doubletalk
drivers I'd need to glance at the gnome-speech api before even working on a
driver of my own.

Re: question about Gnopernicus

[Angelo Sonnesso]

    I have a double talk lt, which I will let someone use if it will help.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Crawford" <CCrawford@Starpower.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: question about Gnopernicus


> ACB has a doubletalk external synth.  Maybe we could send it to a
developer
> for the time it would take to develop the drivers.
>
> -- charlie.
> At 11:54 PM 01/01/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> >Hi, I think one of the major problems in getting hardware speech with
> >gnopernicus is getting hands on one of those synths. I'd behappy to work
on
> >doubletalk drivers, get the documentation for the synth, and patch it
into
> >gnopernicus, but I am not willing to put $300 on the table just to get
the
> >synth to write drivers for it. I feel many of the developers are placed
in a
> >similar situation.
> >Does anyone know where to get doubletalks or other synths like it at a
> >reasonible price like $25 to $50 range?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: question about Gnopernicus

[Shaun Oliver]

hi,
well what do you both play?
me, I'm a guitar man anyway that's not the point, I'm glad to a certain
extent I'm holding back on gnopernicus mainly because of these issues.
I'm the type of person that's likely to get ill tempered with the thing
and toss it out the window if it really cracks the shits.
to be honest, for now, I'm happy to be an end-user of GNU/Linux and pick
up bits and pieces along the way.
but I guess I'll be waiting for a while for gnopernicus to be prime
time. but I'm also betting it'll be worth the wait.

-- 
Shaun Oliver


"I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person."
email: shaun_oliver@optusnet.com.au
WEB: http://blindman.homelinux.org/
IRC: irc.awesomechat.net:6666
IRCNICK: blindman

Music & Linux--Was question about Gnopernicus

[Janina Sajka]

Hi, Shaun:

I play keyboards. My background is concert piano, and I've played
various mostly church music over the last 15 years on various keyboards
ranging across all kinds of styles.

My latest acquisition is currently in escrow. I bought a Kurzweil 2600
on Ebay on the strength of what the Scrimenti brothers discovered about
Kurz 2k machines. It turns out the Kurz sends ASCII out its MIDI out
port that covers everything on the LCD. How about that?

This has been all the rage on the MIDI-Mag list. They have a $70 USD
Windows app to voice the LCD, essentially. I want to duplicate this in
Linux, needless to say. I'm also spending a lot of time getting
acquainted with various music apps available on Linux. I pay particular
attention to Planet CCRMA (pronounced karma) at Stanford:

http://www-ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/packages.html

PS: You can hear some of my music backing up folks on my home page:

http://www.rednote.net

Shaun Oliver writes:
> From: Shaun Oliver <shaun_oliver@optusnet.com.au>
> 
> hi,
> well what do you both play?
> me, I'm a guitar man anyway that's not the point, I'm glad to a certain
> extent I'm holding back on gnopernicus mainly because of these issues.
> I'm the type of person that's likely to get ill tempered with the thing
> and toss it out the window if it really cracks the shits.
> to be honest, for now, I'm happy to be an end-user of GNU/Linux and pick
> up bits and pieces along the way.
> but I guess I'll be waiting for a while for gnopernicus to be prime
> time. but I'm also betting it'll be worth the wait.
> 
> -- 
> Shaun Oliver
> 
> 
> "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person."
> email: shaun_oliver@optusnet.com.au
> WEB: http://blindman.homelinux.org/
> IRC: irc.awesomechat.net:6666
> IRCNICK: blindman
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
	
Janina Sajka
Email: janina@rednote.net		
Phone: (202) 408-8175

Director, Technology Research and Development
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
http://www.afb.org

Chair, Accessibility Work Group
Free Standards Group
http://accessibility.freestandards.org

Re: Music & Linux--Was question about Gnopernicus

[Scott Berry]

Janina,

Have you ever had a look at ecasound?  I don't bhave the web url in
front of me but I can't figure the stupid thing out.  I have been
working with it a little but I can't get it to record from the line in
to the comp.

On Fri, 2 Jan 2004, Janina Sajka wrote:

> Hi, Shaun:
>
> I play keyboards. My background is concert piano, and I've played
> various mostly church music over the last 15 years on various keyboards
> ranging across all kinds of styles.
>
> My latest acquisition is currently in escrow. I bought a Kurzweil 2600
> on Ebay on the strength of what the Scrimenti brothers discovered about
> Kurz 2k machines. It turns out the Kurz sends ASCII out its MIDI out
> port that covers everything on the LCD. How about that?
>
> This has been all the rage on the MIDI-Mag list. They have a $70 USD
> Windows app to voice the LCD, essentially. I want to duplicate this in
> Linux, needless to say. I'm also spending a lot of time getting
> acquainted with various music apps available on Linux. I pay particular
> attention to Planet CCRMA (pronounced karma) at Stanford:
>
> http://www-ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/packages.html
>
> PS: You can hear some of my music backing up folks on my home page:
>
> http://www.rednote.net
>
> Shaun Oliver writes:
> > From: Shaun Oliver <shaun_oliver@optusnet.com.au>
> >
> > hi,
> > well what do you both play?
> > me, I'm a guitar man anyway that's not the point, I'm glad to a certain
> > extent I'm holding back on gnopernicus mainly because of these issues.
> > I'm the type of person that's likely to get ill tempered with the thing
> > and toss it out the window if it really cracks the shits.
> > to be honest, for now, I'm happy to be an end-user of GNU/Linux and pick
> > up bits and pieces along the way.
> > but I guess I'll be waiting for a while for gnopernicus to be prime
> > time. but I'm also betting it'll be worth the wait.
> >
> > --
> > Shaun Oliver
> >
> >
> > "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person."
> > email: shaun_oliver@optusnet.com.au
> > WEB: http://blindman.homelinux.org/
> > IRC: irc.awesomechat.net:6666
> > IRCNICK: blindman
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>

-- 
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Email: n7zib@bresnan.net

Re: Music & Linux--Was question about Gnopernicus

[Shaun Oliver]

ecasound is a right bitch if you don't treat it right.
I've had many a frustrating long day spent working it out.
my main purpose is to find something capable of allowing me to use
dynamic compression when I do my radio broadcasts for awesome radio.
you know I ain't a pro but I like that punchy sound compression brings
to the stream.
the trick is to set up various chains for various purposes and save them
off and hope to somebody or whomever your god is that it all works.

-- 
Shaun Oliver


"I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person."
email: shaun_oliver@optusnet.com.au
WEB: http://blindman.homelinux.org/
IRC: irc.awesomechat.net:6666
IRCNICK: blindman

Re: Music & Linux--Was question about Gnopernicus

[Janina Sajka]

Main thing I've noticed about the folks on CCRMA is that they strip
their boxes down. For example, they'll turn networking off and unload
those drivers if they've even got them installed in the first place when
doing some serious music crunching. There's a lot of documentation about
low latency, pre-emption, and disk tuning on the CCRMA site.

Bottom line seems to be that Linux needs to be coaxed into leaving pipes
in place.


Shaun Oliver writes:
> From: Shaun Oliver <shaun_oliver@optusnet.com.au>
> 
> ecasound is a right bitch if you don't treat it right.
> I've had many a frustrating long day spent working it out.
> my main purpose is to find something capable of allowing me to use
> dynamic compression when I do my radio broadcasts for awesome radio.
> you know I ain't a pro but I like that punchy sound compression brings
> to the stream.
> the trick is to set up various chains for various purposes and save them
> off and hope to somebody or whomever your god is that it all works.
> 
> -- 
> Shaun Oliver
> 
> 
> "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person."
> email: shaun_oliver@optusnet.com.au
> WEB: http://blindman.homelinux.org/
> IRC: irc.awesomechat.net:6666
> IRCNICK: blindman
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
	
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Email: janina@rednote.net		
Phone: (202) 408-8175

Director, Technology Research and Development
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
http://www.afb.org

Chair, Accessibility Work Group
Free Standards Group
http://accessibility.freestandards.org

Re: Music & Linux--Was question about Gnopernicus

[Karen Lewellen]

xHi shaun,
well I just joined the list this morning, and already one of my first
questions is being discussed.
I am considering a windows jump, and one of the majors is to have
 sound editing software options, something like
 cool-edit or pro-tools, or whatever is even better then these, fully linux
of course.
ideas, and is speakup the only voice option linux wise?
so as to keep me from hunting needlessly.
I have other needs, but this is a major one.
Karen L




 am

On Sat, 3 Jan 2004, Shaun Oliver wrote:

> ecasound is a right bitch if you don't treat it right.
> I've had many a frustrating long day spent working it out.
> my main purpose is to find something capable of allowing me to use
> dynamic compression when I do my radio broadcasts for awesome radio.
> you know I ain't a pro but I like that punchy sound compression brings
> to the stream.
> the trick is to set up various chains for various purposes and save them
> off and hope to somebody or whomever your god is that it all works.
>
> --
> Shaun Oliver
>
>
> "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person."
> email: shaun_oliver@optusnet.com.au
> WEB: http://blindman.homelinux.org/
> IRC: irc.awesomechat.net:6666
> IRCNICK: blindman
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Music & Linux--Was question about Gnopernicus

[Scott Berry]

Well we do have Gnopernicus for the x windows system however it is still
a beta and can cause some serious problems for us who are musicians as
the speech is by tts engines or text to speech and since Gnopernicus is so
new it can lock up a system quick as I have found out.  The other problem
is that when using any tts engine with Gnopernicus you can't get two
inputs through your soundcard because Gnopernicus can't quite do that yet.
There  is alsoa console app called ecasound which if you saw Shaun's
message it can be a real pain to set up.  I haven't got it yet to record
my keyboard from a line in on the sound card.

   On Fri, 2 Jan 2004, Karen
Lewellen wrote:

> xHi shaun,
> well I just joined the list this morning, and already one of my first
> questions is being discussed.
> I am considering a windows jump, and one of the majors is to have
>  sound editing software options, something like
>  cool-edit or pro-tools, or whatever is even better then these, fully linux
> of course.
> ideas, and is speakup the only voice option linux wise?
> so as to keep me from hunting needlessly.
> I have other needs, but this is a major one.
> Karen L
>
>
>
>
>  am
>
> On Sat, 3 Jan 2004, Shaun Oliver wrote:
>
> > ecasound is a right bitch if you don't treat it right.
> > I've had many a frustrating long day spent working it out.
> > my main purpose is to find something capable of allowing me to use
> > dynamic compression when I do my radio broadcasts for awesome radio.
> > you know I ain't a pro but I like that punchy sound compression brings
> > to the stream.
> > the trick is to set up various chains for various purposes and save them
> > off and hope to somebody or whomever your god is that it all works.
> >
> > --
> > Shaun Oliver
> >
> >
> > "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person."
> > email: shaun_oliver@optusnet.com.au
> > WEB: http://blindman.homelinux.org/
> > IRC: irc.awesomechat.net:6666
> > IRCNICK: blindman
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

-- 
Scott Berry
Email: n7zib@bresnan.net

Re: Music & Linux--Was question about Gnopernicus

[Gregory Nowak]

A slight correction, it's the x window system, not the x windows
system.

Greg


On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 10:20:08AM -0700, Scott Berry wrote:
> Well we do have Gnopernicus for the x windows system however it is still
> a beta and can cause some serious problems for us who are musicians as
> the speech is by tts engines or text to speech and since Gnopernicus is so
> new it can lock up a system quick as I have found out.  The other problem
> is that when using any tts engine with Gnopernicus you can't get two
> inputs through your soundcard because Gnopernicus can't quite do that yet.
> There  is alsoa console app called ecasound which if you saw Shaun's
> message it can be a real pain to set up.  I haven't got it yet to record
> my keyboard from a line in on the sound card.
> 

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Re: Music & Linux--Was question about Gnopernicus

[Tom and Esther Ward]

Hello, Karen.
There is a variety of assistive technologies for Linux that is either being
used widely and under current development.
As far as screen readers speakup is perhaps the most well known, but not the
only one. There is another screen reader called yasr that is not to bad,
uses software speech, and is great for those Linux users who either do not
have or can not afford a hardware synth which is required by speakup.
There is the brltty screen reader which is perfect for those Linux users
that only wish to use a braille display for console access. It is a great
screen reader, but it is for braille only.
 New on the seen is the gnopernicus screen reader. This screen reader works
in the x window system on the Gnome 2.4 desktop. Many of gnopernicus's key
features are in a state of development, but it can be used to work with such
x window applications as gedit which is like Window's notepad, Staroffice 7
which is like MS Office, gnome cdplayer which is like the Window's cdplayer,
and a handful of other gui based apps.
Finally, there is the emacspeak audio desktop. Emacspeak is a very handy
extention to gnu emacs that allows  full text to speech in emacs with such
programs as the tnt instant messenger, emacs irc client, emacs text editor,
emacs text games, dismal spreadsheet, and many other emacs modes. It is a
very helpful tool for productivity.
Hth.

Re: Music & Linux--Was question about Gnopernicus

[Janina Sajka]

I have ecazound compiled, and have used it some but not for compression
or filtering. It is certainly daunting to understand and work with.

I believe Mario Lang has the beginnings of an Emacs front end to
ecasound that I have bookmarked somewhere, if that would help.

Scott Berry writes:
> From: Scott Berry <scott@drscott.dyndns.biz>
> 
> Janina,
> 
> Have you ever had a look at ecasound?  I don't bhave the web url in
> front of me but I can't figure the stupid thing out.  I have been
> working with it a little but I can't get it to record from the line in
> to the comp.
> 
> On Fri, 2 Jan 2004, Janina Sajka wrote:
> 
> > Hi, Shaun:
> >
> > I play keyboards. My background is concert piano, and I've played
> > various mostly church music over the last 15 years on various keyboards
> > ranging across all kinds of styles.
> >
> > My latest acquisition is currently in escrow. I bought a Kurzweil 2600
> > on Ebay on the strength of what the Scrimenti brothers discovered about
> > Kurz 2k machines. It turns out the Kurz sends ASCII out its MIDI out
> > port that covers everything on the LCD. How about that?
> >
> > This has been all the rage on the MIDI-Mag list. They have a $70 USD
> > Windows app to voice the LCD, essentially. I want to duplicate this in
> > Linux, needless to say. I'm also spending a lot of time getting
> > acquainted with various music apps available on Linux. I pay particular
> > attention to Planet CCRMA (pronounced karma) at Stanford:
> >
> > http://www-ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/packages.html
> >
> > PS: You can hear some of my music backing up folks on my home page:
> >
> > http://www.rednote.net
> >
> > Shaun Oliver writes:
> > > From: Shaun Oliver <shaun_oliver@optusnet.com.au>
> > >
> > > hi,
> > > well what do you both play?
> > > me, I'm a guitar man anyway that's not the point, I'm glad to a certain
> > > extent I'm holding back on gnopernicus mainly because of these issues.
> > > I'm the type of person that's likely to get ill tempered with the thing
> > > and toss it out the window if it really cracks the shits.
> > > to be honest, for now, I'm happy to be an end-user of GNU/Linux and pick
> > > up bits and pieces along the way.
> > > but I guess I'll be waiting for a while for gnopernicus to be prime
> > > time. but I'm also betting it'll be worth the wait.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Shaun Oliver
> > >
> > >
> > > "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person."
> > > email: shaun_oliver@optusnet.com.au
> > > WEB: http://blindman.homelinux.org/
> > > IRC: irc.awesomechat.net:6666
> > > IRCNICK: blindman
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> 
> -- 
> Scott Berry
> Email: n7zib@bresnan.net
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
	
Janina Sajka
Email: janina@rednote.net		
Phone: (202) 408-8175

Director, Technology Research and Development
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
http://www.afb.org

Chair, Accessibility Work Group
Free Standards Group
http://accessibility.freestandards.org

Re: Music & Linux--Was question about Gnopernicus

[Scott Berry]

 Yeah if you can send it along that might help a bit.

On Fri, 2 Jan 2004,
Janina Sajka wrote:

> I have ecazound compiled, and have used it some but not for compression
> or filtering. It is certainly daunting to understand and work with.
>
> I believe Mario Lang has the beginnings of an Emacs front end to
> ecasound that I have bookmarked somewhere, if that would help.
>
> Scott Berry writes:
> > From: Scott Berry <scott@drscott.dyndns.biz>
> >
> > Janina,
> >
> > Have you ever had a look at ecasound?  I don't bhave the web url in
> > front of me but I can't figure the stupid thing out.  I have been
> > working with it a little but I can't get it to record from the line in
> > to the comp.
> >
> > On Fri, 2 Jan 2004, Janina Sajka wrote:
> >
> > > Hi, Shaun:
> > >
> > > I play keyboards. My background is concert piano, and I've played
> > > various mostly church music over the last 15 years on various keyboards
> > > ranging across all kinds of styles.
> > >
> > > My latest acquisition is currently in escrow. I bought a Kurzweil 2600
> > > on Ebay on the strength of what the Scrimenti brothers discovered about
> > > Kurz 2k machines. It turns out the Kurz sends ASCII out its MIDI out
> > > port that covers everything on the LCD. How about that?
> > >
> > > This has been all the rage on the MIDI-Mag list. They have a $70 USD
> > > Windows app to voice the LCD, essentially. I want to duplicate this in
> > > Linux, needless to say. I'm also spending a lot of time getting
> > > acquainted with various music apps available on Linux. I pay particular
> > > attention to Planet CCRMA (pronounced karma) at Stanford:
> > >
> > > http://www-ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/packages.html
> > >
> > > PS: You can hear some of my music backing up folks on my home page:
> > >
> > > http://www.rednote.net
> > >
> > > Shaun Oliver writes:
> > > > From: Shaun Oliver <shaun_oliver@optusnet.com.au>
> > > >
> > > > hi,
> > > > well what do you both play?
> > > > me, I'm a guitar man anyway that's not the point, I'm glad to a certain
> > > > extent I'm holding back on gnopernicus mainly because of these issues.
> > > > I'm the type of person that's likely to get ill tempered with the thing
> > > > and toss it out the window if it really cracks the shits.
> > > > to be honest, for now, I'm happy to be an end-user of GNU/Linux and pick
> > > > up bits and pieces along the way.
> > > > but I guess I'll be waiting for a while for gnopernicus to be prime
> > > > time. but I'm also betting it'll be worth the wait.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Shaun Oliver
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person."
> > > > email: shaun_oliver@optusnet.com.au
> > > > WEB: http://blindman.homelinux.org/
> > > > IRC: irc.awesomechat.net:6666
> > > > IRCNICK: blindman
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Scott Berry
> > Email: n7zib@bresnan.net
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>

-- 
Scott Berry
Email: n7zib@bresnan.net

Re: Music & Linux--Was question about Gnopernicus

[Tom and Esther Ward]

Hi, Janina.
Do you know of any multitrack recorders like guitar tracks in Linux and any
music editors like soundforge that work with speakup or gnopernicus?
One of the major things holding me to Window's is the inability to find
high-quality music tools like guitar tracks which I use alot in MS Windows
for recording my guitar music.

Re: Music & Linux--Was question about Gnopernicus

[Janina Sajka]

Hi, Tom:

Well, I don't know Guitar Tracks, but I do know Sound Forge.

I think anything similar on Linux is either inaccessible or works very
differently. But then I don't play guitar so tend to just skip over
those programs when I look through the various software libraries.

On the recording side there are certainly powerful applications:

ecasound is 100% accessible and a bear to learn to use. It does some
very sophisticated things, too. You can drive it from the command line,
or in its own command mode. There is also an Emacs front end to it that
covers some of its features.

Ardour is at least partially accessible. It's a very powerful recording
and editing application that has at least a partial keyboard interface.
Look at http://ardour.sf.net. I haven't worked with Ardour myself yet.

If you're working with MIDI data there's a Perl-based application called
Midge that will let you work on MIDI as an ASCII file. It converts the
ASCII to MIDI and back again.

You didn't ask about scoring, but there's an application called
Lillypond that would be the analog of Finale or Sibelius. Lilypond is
also 100% accessible because it's driven by data in ASCII files.

There are a number of accessible instrument building and sound
generating apps, like the grandaddy of them all, csound, which are very
accessible from the console environment.

When we get good performance from Gnopernicus, I think we'll find a
dozen or so apps that come close.

Beast is one such. It's aimed at professional recording, editing, and
mastering. Beast is built with GTK+ 2, so is built of the GNOME widgets
that natively support accessibility.

I'm hoping we can use gmorgan, which is something like Band in a Box, but I can't tell yet, because of the
audio issues that have been discussed here on the list over the past
days. 

I've also found a Python based Band in a Box type app, but haven't got
it up and running yet. 

An equally great problem, though, for all of these environments
including the console, is getting the computer ready to use
any of these applications appropriately. I'm only partially there on
this.

The issues have to do with sufficient bandwidth to keep everything
cranking without interruptions. It's nasty to have Beethoven's Fifth
stutter, you know! And, of course, we need also to have our assistive
tech working in concert and not adding cacophony to the mix.

So, the folks that hang out at 


http://www-ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/introduction

and much of the advice you'll find on pages like:

Linux Audio Users Guide
http://www.djcj.org/LAU/guide/index.php

has to do with this kind of prep. In short, the default installation one
gets from a stock Debian or Fedora Core just isn't fully appropriate to
high-end music work. The kinds of issues that require tweaking include:

Latency -- to keep performance tight

Pre-emption -- To make sure processes run at high enough priorities to
avoid drop-outs

Disk tuning -- to get the highest practical throughput of data to and
from your hard drive

Then, with those issues in hand, you also need to set your machine up in
a way that multiple applications can share audio data at the same time,
preferably with multiple I/O devices. This takes you into the tangled
world of writing an ALSA asoundrc (something I'm struggling with right
now):

http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/asoundrc.php3?comp

I think it is this that's putting me, at leastly partly, afoul of the
ESD audio server and Gnome-Speech as previously documented. Nasty, that,
because it rather stops all evaluation of accessibility in candidate
GNOME applications. So, I'm hoping someone gens up a hardware speech
synth driver for Gnopernicus soon! <grin>

One last word about Gnopernicus ...

While those of us using speech to interface with Gnopernicus are all
having about the same level of slow performance and frustration, I hear
from the braille users that Gnopernicus "really flies." So, maybe the
answer is to get a refreshable braille display--at least for now? Yea,
just kidding.

Hope this helps.

Tom and Esther Ward writes:
> From: "Tom and Esther Ward" <tward1978@earthlink.net>
> 
> Hi, Janina.
> Do you know of any multitrack recorders like guitar tracks in Linux and any
> music editors like soundforge that work with speakup or gnopernicus?
> One of the major things holding me to Window's is the inability to find
> high-quality music tools like guitar tracks which I use alot in MS Windows
> for recording my guitar music.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
	
Janina Sajka
Email: janina@rednote.net		
Phone: (202) 408-8175

Director, Technology Research and Development
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
http://www.afb.org

Chair, Accessibility Work Group
Free Standards Group
http://accessibility.freestandards.org

Re: question about Gnopernicus

[Tom and Esther Ward]

It is hard to say how long it will be before gnopernicus reaches a level
with it's MS Window's counterparts. After all the Window's screen access
apps have been in production for at least 10 years.
Gnopernicus's success wil largely depend on how fast the open source
comunity can go back and add in accessibility to all gnome, java, and KDE
based applications.
Certainly, it isn't going to be something that will happen over night.

PS
I am a guitar fan too.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Oliver" <shaun_oliver@optusnet.com.au>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 7:42 AM
Subject: Re: question about Gnopernicus


> hi,
> well what do you both play?
> me, I'm a guitar man anyway that's not the point, I'm glad to a certain
> extent I'm holding back on gnopernicus mainly because of these issues.
> I'm the type of person that's likely to get ill tempered with the thing
> and toss it out the window if it really cracks the shits.
> to be honest, for now, I'm happy to be an end-user of GNU/Linux and pick
> up bits and pieces along the way.
> but I guess I'll be waiting for a while for gnopernicus to be prime
> time. but I'm also betting it'll be worth the wait.
>
> --
> Shaun Oliver
>
>
> "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person."
> email: shaun_oliver@optusnet.com.au
> WEB: http://blindman.homelinux.org/
> IRC: irc.awesomechat.net:6666
> IRCNICK: blindman
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>