Re: OT Talking dos boot disk

Re: OT Talking dos boot disk

[Ameer Armaly]

Jaws for dos could use one called smoothtalker, but it's extremely slow, and
you can't even tell it to silence.
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Subject: Re: OT Talking dos boot disk


> I have not yet heard of a DOS screen reader which uses software
> speech.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 09:07:32AM -0400, Charles Crawford wrote:
> > Does it need a hardware synth?
> >
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OT Talking dos boot disk

[erik burggraaf]

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Hi all, I need a talking boot disk for dos, so I can run diagnostics on my laptop.  Has anybody got this animal?

Failing that, is there a free or demo utility that'll allow me to access real dos from my hd?

Thanks,

Erik

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Re: OT Talking dos boot disk

[JOHN LEE]

Hi,

I hae a disk that might help, contact me privately.
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From: "Guy Abandon." <text.tools@virgin.net>
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Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: OT Talking dos boot disk


> <<I need a talking boot disk for dos, so I can run diagnostics on my
> laptop.  Has anybody got this animal?>>
> 
> I'll have to make some assumptions - like you have a hardware synth,
> preferably one of the American classic ones.  I will also assume you
> have the facility to produce or have a DOS boot disc produced.  I
> would then say that TinyTalk should still be around as one of the
> cheapest and smallest DOS screen readers  (find a demo!).  You should
> then also be able to fit your diag' tools on the same floppy.  I can't
> say where TT is, so a Google search is going to be necessary.  The
> only other thing would be for someone to produce an image that you
> could receive and write to a floppy, but who would know your precise
> requirements and they wouldn't be able to test it first.
> 
> GA!
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Re: OT Talking dos boot disk

[Gregory Nowak]

There is also provox from Chuck Hallenbeck's site. Unfortunately, I
don't remember what the URL is, so maybe someone else will post it, or
Chuck himself will.

Greg


On Sun, Aug 10, 2003 at 06:25:42PM +0100, Guy Abandon. wrote:
> <<I need a talking boot disk for dos, so I can run diagnostics on my
> laptop.  Has anybody got this animal?>>
> 
> I'll have to make some assumptions - like you have a hardware synth,
> preferably one of the American classic ones.  I will also assume you
> have the facility to produce or have a DOS boot disc produced.  I
> would then say that TinyTalk should still be around as one of the
> cheapest and smallest DOS screen readers  (find a demo!).  You should
> then also be able to fit your diag' tools on the same floppy.  I can't
> say where TT is, so a Google search is going to be necessary.  The
> only other thing would be for someone to produce an image that you
> could receive and write to a floppy, but who would know your precise
> requirements and they wouldn't be able to test it first.
> 
> GA!
> 
> 
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Re: OT Talking dos boot disk

[Guy Abandon.]

<<I need a talking boot disk for dos, so I can run diagnostics on my
laptop.  Has anybody got this animal?>>

I'll have to make some assumptions - like you have a hardware synth,
preferably one of the American classic ones.  I will also assume you
have the facility to produce or have a DOS boot disc produced.  I
would then say that TinyTalk should still be around as one of the
cheapest and smallest DOS screen readers  (find a demo!).  You should
then also be able to fit your diag' tools on the same floppy.  I can't
say where TT is, so a Google search is going to be necessary.  The
only other thing would be for someone to produce an image that you
could receive and write to a floppy, but who would know your precise
requirements and they wouldn't be able to test it first.

GA!

Re: OT Talking dos boot disk

[Chuck Hallenbeck]

Yes, provox is still there.
On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, Gregory Nowak
wrote:

> There is also provox from Chuck Hallenbeck's site. Unfortunately, I
> don't remember what the URL is, so maybe someone else will post it, or
> Chuck himself will.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 10, 2003 at 06:25:42PM +0100, Guy Abandon. wrote:
> > <<I need a talking boot disk for dos, so I can run diagnostics on my
> > laptop.  Has anybody got this animal?>>
> >
> > I'll have to make some assumptions - like you have a hardware synth,
> > preferably one of the American classic ones.  I will also assume you
> > have the facility to produce or have a DOS boot disc produced.  I
> > would then say that TinyTalk should still be around as one of the
> > cheapest and smallest DOS screen readers  (find a demo!).  You should
> > then also be able to fit your diag' tools on the same floppy.  I can't
> > say where TT is, so a Google search is going to be necessary.  The
> > only other thing would be for someone to produce an image that you
> > could receive and write to a floppy, but who would know your precise
> > requirements and they wouldn't be able to test it first.
> >
> > GA!
> >
> >
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Re: OT Talking dos boot disk

[Glenn Ervin at home]

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What version of windows are you running?
Although I am using, I have both a 3.5 floppy boot disk with Jaws for DOS, and a zip disk which I have Jaws for DOS on as well.
I have my zip disk to be the second boot disk in my boot sequence.
Although I use mE, a windows 98 boot disk works fine.
I have the windows 98 Second Edition boot disk which I can e-mail to you if you want it.
Or if you are running 98, you can make your own quite easily.
Then if you use Jaws for DOS, just copy your jaws directory to a temp directory, and delete the unnecessary files, and you will have enough room on the floppy to copy the Jaws over.
You will only need to edit the jaws.bat file to reflect the A drive, and also the autoexec.bat file on the floppy to include the path for the jaws on the floppy disk.
If you want, I will send the file list of what I have on my floppy, so you know what you can delete out.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: erik burggraaf 
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca 
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 11:45 AM
Subject: OT Talking dos boot disk


Hi all, I need a talking boot disk for dos, so I can run diagnostics on my laptop.  Has anybody got this animal?

Failing that, is there a free or demo utility that'll allow me to access real dos from my hd?

Thanks,

Erik

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Re: OT Talking dos boot disk

[Charles Crawford]

DOS diags that talk?  What speech are you going to run?  It is easy enough 
to create a talking diskette but how large is your diag program?

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Re: OT Talking dos boot disk

[Charles Crawford]

I never heard of provox?  what is it and how does it run?


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Re: OT Talking dos boot disk

[Chuck Hallenbeck]

Provox is a DOS screen reader a year or so older than Artic
Vision. It does some things well.


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Re: OT Talking dos boot disk

[Gregory Nowak]

I have not yet heard of a DOS screen reader which uses software
speech.

Greg


On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 09:07:32AM -0400, Charles Crawford wrote:
> Does it need a hardware synth?
> 

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Re: OT Talking dos boot disk

[Charles Crawford]

Does it need a hardware synth?

On Mon, 11 Aug 2003, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote:

> Provox is a DOS screen reader a year or so older than Artic
> Vision. It does some things well.
> 
> 
> 

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Re: OT Talking dos boot disk

[Janina Sajka]

And you never will.

Except that perhaps Speakup 2.0 may in a round about sort of way through
DOSEMU.

Gregory Nowak writes:
> From: Gregory Nowak <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
> 
> I have not yet heard of a DOS screen reader which uses software
> speech.
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 09:07:32AM -0400, Charles Crawford wrote:
> > Does it need a hardware synth?
> > 
> 
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Re: OT Talking dos boot disk

[Chuck Hallenbeck]

> Does it need a hardware synth?


Yes. It supports a bunch of them, some better than others. It
works best with the Doubletalk group. It also works well with
audapter and the old artic boards with sonix+tts+porttalk, and it
supports some prehistoric synthesizers you probably never heard
of such as the Intex Talker and the Votrax Personal Speech
System. The best thing about provox is its cost. It is free.

Re: OT Talking dos boot disk

[Glenn Ervin at home]

jaws for DOS, which is free, works with S B talker, but it is not very
responsive.
S B talker sounds like text assist.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: OT Talking dos boot disk


I have not yet heard of a DOS screen reader which uses software
speech.

Greg


On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 09:07:32AM -0400, Charles Crawford wrote:
> Does it need a hardware synth?
>

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Re: OT Talking dos boot disk

[Charles Crawford]

	I was think of the keynote gold that runs through the speakers 
of the computer driven by vocal eyes in my case and other sreen readers 
in other cases.

On Mon, 11 Aug 2003, Gregory Nowak wrote:

> I have not yet heard of a DOS screen reader which uses software
> speech.
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 09:07:32AM -0400, Charles Crawford wrote:
> > Does it need a hardware synth?
> > 
> 
> 

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Re: OT Talking dos boot disk

[Gregory Nowak]

Yes, and since it's under the gpl, it's free as in freely distributable, as
well as free as in free beer. Thank you for that.

Greg


On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 09:53:23AM -0400, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote:
> > Does it need a hardware synth?
> 
> 
> Yes. It supports a bunch of them, some better than others. It
> works best with the Doubletalk group. It also works well with
> audapter and the old artic boards with sonix+tts+porttalk, and it
> supports some prehistoric synthesizers you probably never heard
> of such as the Intex Talker and the Votrax Personal Speech
> System. The best thing about provox is its cost. It is free.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: OT Talking dos boot disk

[Janina Sajka]

I sure don't recall any software only Keynote for DOS. Clearly, there
was for Win 95 before loquence became the rage.


Charles Crawford writes:
> From: Charles Crawford <ccrawford@acb.org>
> 
> 	I was think of the keynote gold that runs through the speakers 
> of the computer driven by vocal eyes in my case and other sreen readers 
> in other cases.
> 
> On Mon, 11 Aug 2003, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> 
> > I have not yet heard of a DOS screen reader which uses software
> > speech.
> > 
> > Greg
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 09:07:32AM -0400, Charles Crawford wrote:
> > > Does it need a hardware synth?
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
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Re: OT Talking dos boot disk

[Charles Crawford]

Yeah,  I have keynote gold that runs in both windows and os through the 
speakers using windoweyes and vocal eyes.

-- charlie.
At 01:06 PM 8/11/03 -0400, you wrote:
>I sure don't recall any software only Keynote for DOS. Clearly, there
>was for Win 95 before loquence became the rage.
>
>
>Charles Crawford writes:
> > From: Charles Crawford <ccrawford@acb.org>
> >
> >       I was think of the keynote gold that runs through the speakers
> > of the computer driven by vocal eyes in my case and other sreen readers
> > in other cases.
> >
> > On Mon, 11 Aug 2003, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> >
> > > I have not yet heard of a DOS screen reader which uses software
> > > speech.
> > >
> > > Greg
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 09:07:32AM -0400, Charles Crawford wrote:
> > > > Does it need a hardware synth?
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > -- Charlie Crawford
> >
> >
> >
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Re: OT Talking dos boot disk

[erik burggraaf]

Hi all,  Thank you for your considered responses.

I am sorry I didn't provide enough info in the original post.

I have an ardic transport, an accent sa, and a blt that can be pressed into
service for what I need.  I have a toshiba companion boot floppy which I
would like to use to repair my DVD rom drive.  I believe if I have windows
98 on this machine here.

As far as I know, it makes no difference where the diagnostic programs are.
So, in theory, I could have a talking boot flopy for dos, and run the
diagnostic program either off another floppy, or off the hard drive.  I have
rawrite that I can use to create floppies from images if necessary.

Thanks all,

Erik
----- Original Message -----
From: Charles Crawford <ccrawford@acb.org>
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Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: OT Talking dos boot disk


> DOS diags that talk?  What speech are you going to run?  It is easy enough
> to create a talking diskette but how large is your diag program?
>
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Re: OT Talking dos boot disk

[Gregory Nowak]

Somebody please correct me if I am wrong, but as far as I know, that
is wired internally into the laptop's sound system, so, even though it
goes through the speakers, it still isn't software speech.

Greg


On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 03:10:49PM -0400, Charles Crawford wrote:
> Yeah,  I have keynote gold that runs in both windows and os through the 
> speakers using windoweyes and vocal eyes.
> 
> -- charlie.

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Re: OT Talking dos boot disk

[Guy Abandon.]

>Except that perhaps Speakup 2.0 may in a >round about sort of way
through
>DOSEMU.

So I have to ask - do Linux screen readers get through to read the DOS
screen?
or
Can one run their old DOS screen reader?
and
Does this include old DOS version of screen reader that support
otherwise unsupportable hardware like the Dolphin Europa card?

My DOS box died and I'm having a right job finding one of a low enough
spec to run DOS half properly and run the applications I still have
and need to use.

what happens to DOS apps that do any kind of extended memory
management?

I still use Ashton-Tate's Framework product.

GA!

Re: OT Talking dos boot disk

[Janina Sajka]

Either way on the screen reader at your setup option. But don't expect
hardware support for devices Linux doesn't know about.

It's simple. If the host doesn't know what that thingie is, neither will
the guest OS know what it is.

Guy Abandon. writes:
> From: "Guy Abandon." <text.tools@virgin.net>
> 
> >Except that perhaps Speakup 2.0 may in a >round about sort of way
> through
> >DOSEMU.
> 
> So I have to ask - do Linux screen readers get through to read the DOS
> screen?
> or
> Can one run their old DOS screen reader?
> and
> Does this include old DOS version of screen reader that support
> otherwise unsupportable hardware like the Dolphin Europa card?
> 
> My DOS box died and I'm having a right job finding one of a low enough
> spec to run DOS half properly and run the applications I still have
> and need to use.
> 
> what happens to DOS apps that do any kind of extended memory
> management?
> 
> I still use Ashton-Tate's Framework product.
> 
> GA!
> 
> 
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Re: OT Talking dos boot disk

[jude dashiell]

I didn't know jaws for dos could use smooth talker.  I did know that
tinytalk could use smooth talker though.

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Re: OT Talking dos boot disk

[jude dashiell]

I've run tinytalk off the soundblaster card more than once and for a while
until I got a new doubletalk that's the only speech I had.  It's true that
Eric Bohlman doesn't distribute the ttblast file anymore in the tinytalk
package but when that was available I had downloaded it and had it
working.

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Re: OT Talking dos boot disk

[Luke Davis]

If somebody needs it, I still have it around somewhere.

On Mon, 11 Aug 2003, jude dashiell wrote:

> I've run tinytalk off the soundblaster card more than once and for a while
> until I got a new doubletalk that's the only speech I had.  It's true that
> Eric Bohlman doesn't distribute the ttblast file anymore in the tinytalk
> package but when that was available I had downloaded it and had it
> working.
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