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From: David Poehlman <poehlman1@comcast.net>
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: Why Windows?
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 06:50:17 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <002901c1ffec$2128eee0$91e03244@DAVIDPOEHLMAN> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <035c01c1ffad$b6de94b0$bd49e9d5@microsoft.com>

I do not understand this message.  how can ie open notepad unless you
ask for the source and then it is designed to do that.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@home.ro>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: Why Windows?


Yes you're right.
I have an HTML page and if you open it from a web site in Internet
explorer,
it opens you the Notepad.
Internet Explorer, is not very secure, of course.

But I think there are problems with Unix also.
Go to www.astalavista.com and you will find some tutorials about how to
crack Unix, etc.
I don't know if they work because I haven't tried it, but ...

Teddy,
orasnita@home.ro

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rich Caloggero" <rjc@MIT.EDU>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 11:05 AM
Subject: Why Windows?


OK, I think windows exists for sighted people. I think that blind people
need to use windows if they are doing sys-admin or other tasks which
require
them to interact with windows, or dare I say, help a sighted person use
their friendly little crash-prone boxes! <smile> I often think that the
reason windows is so unstable is to keep us sys-admins employed!
Hehehehehahahahe!

Actually, I heard an interesting windblows tidbit the other day. In
windows
3.1, there was a concept called Object Linking and Embeding (OLE). It
allows
one to put, say, a sound file within a spreadsheet, and embed all that
within something else. In fact, this is what XML does for you, but those
were the days long before XML. Anyhow, they were also the days before
the
internet became widely popular. The problem was that OLE was not at all
secure. When the internet became more widely used, and malware began to
spread, people realized that this stuff was very insecure. So Microsoft
began building layer on top of layer to try and address these issues. By
the
time the security problems were becomign more widely exployted,
Microsoft
had traveled too far down the OLE path, and could not give it up. I
forget
what all the crap on top of OLE was called, but the dot net stuff is
merely
another layer on top of the broken OLE, so Microsoft security issues
will
forever be rearing their ugly heads, and Microslop will have to patch
every
single one of them!! Hahahahehehehehehaha!

                    Rich

----- Original Message -----
From: "Deedra Waters" <curi0315@tampabay.rr.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: 19 May, 2002 1:24 AM
Subject: Re: interesting experiment.


I think honestly that if beginners have an easy start it may help some
in
the long run. I honestly think that there are some people who want to
learn but are having a hard time in which case, helping them can be
useful.

I'm bad at sitting and reading manpage after manpage trying to find
things, and I was even worse at the beginning. I had a great deal of
help
in the beginning, and there was a lot I  didn't understand.

I'm not really sure where I'm going with this accept to say that there
are
people who have a real hard time by just reading, and helping them, or
trying to walk them threw some things  doesn't always mean that they
need
to be spoonfead


On Sun, 19 May 2002, Toby Fisher wrote:

> On Sun, 19 May 2002, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
>
> > Hi, thank you.
> > No, I don't like Windows. I don't use to play games because I don't
have
the
> > time.
>
> Oh now you don't know what you're missing, I can recommend GMA Games
for
> one, for a bit of light relief.
>
> <snip>
>
> > But I also don't like to see a lot of people from this list, nor
> from any
> > list, thinking that Linux is better than Windows.
>
> Actually, if you look carefully at most of what you view to be
> anti-Windows comments, they are, in the main, aimed at the company
that
> spawned it.
>
> > Windows is better than Linux for multimedia development but
Macintosh is
> > even better than Windows  for this thing.
> >
> > Some Unix graphic stations are better probably than Macintosh for
their
> > purpose.
>
> Yes, but until very recently Macintosh had a problem with expensive
> hardware, for example, on some power macs there was only 1 make of
modem
> you could use because of the connection it required; guess what,
they're
> not made any more so my friend is going to have to buy a new computer,
> this is, imho, a potential problem which can arise when hardware and
> software are made by the same company, as used to happen back in the
big
> mainframe days.
>
> <snip>
>
> > I like the Linux users to be a kind of helpful community, because
> they are
> > not very many, especially blind, but all the experimented people in
linux
> > give the beginners criptical commands without explaining too much,
RTFM,
> > etc.
>
> I believe that there are reasons for this.
>
> First, what that person may want is a means to get up and running as
> hasle-free as possible.  Second, explanation of the command may, and
note
> I use the word may, cause confusion, until the person has read some
docs,
> which they may be unable to do due to whatever problem it is that has
> caused them to write to the list.
>
> Third, it does not help anyone, least of all the beginner, if they are
> spoon-fed, as they may then be unable to help themselves if they are
ever
> stuck without an internet connection, or otherwise unable to call on
> required assistance.
>
> Cheers.
>
> --
> Toby Fisher Email: toby@g0ucu.freeserve.co.uk
> Tel.: +44(0)1480 417272 Mobile: +44(0)7974 363239
> ICQ: #61744808
>    Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
>    See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
>
>
>
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       ` Alex Snow
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           ` Alex Snow
         ` Gregory Nowak
       ` Shaun Oliver
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             ` Darrell Shandrow
               ` Janina Sajka
                 ` Adam Myrow
                   ` Alex Snow
                     ` Ann Parsons
                       ` Octavian Rasnita
                         ` Ann Parsons
                           ` emacspeak brian Moore
                             ` emacspeak Saqib Shaikh
                               ` emacspeak brian Moore
                               ` emacspeak Janina Sajka
                                 ` emacspeak brian Moore
                                 ` emacspeak Dave Hunt <
                             ` emacspeak Ann Parsons
                               ` emacspeak Janina Sajka
                             ` emacspeak Dave Hunt <
                           ` interesting experiment Dan Murphy
                             ` Alex Snow
                             ` Igor Gueths
                               ` interesting experiment.d Dan Murphy
                                 ` Dave Hunt <
                             ` interesting experiment Janina Sajka
                               ` Deedra Waters
                                 ` Janina Sajka
                                 ` Charles Crawford
                                   ` Ann Parsons
                                     ` Octavian Rasnita
                                       ` Dave Hunt <
                                         ` Octavian Rasnita
                                       ` Igor Gueths
                                   ` Rich Caloggero
                                     ` Charles Crawford
                               ` Ann Parsons
                               ` Octavian Rasnita
                                 ` Kerry Hoath
                                   ` Gregory Nowak
                                     ` Kerry Hoath
                                   ` Octavian Rasnita
                                 ` Ann Parsons
                                   ` Octavian Rasnita
                             ` Ann Parsons
                               ` Dan Murphy
                         ` Janina Sajka
                           ` Octavian Rasnita
                             ` Janina Sajka
                               ` Octavian Rasnita
                                 ` Janina Sajka
                                   ` Octavian Rasnita
                                     ` Ryan Mann
                                       ` Janina Sajka
                                         ` Octavian Rasnita
                                           ` Janina Sajka
                                           ` Toby Fisher
                                             ` Octavian Rasnita
                                       ` Octavian Rasnita
                                     ` Janina Sajka
                                       ` Ann Parsons
                                     ` Ann Parsons
                                       ` Octavian Rasnita
                                     ` Gregory Nowak
                                       ` Octavian Rasnita
                                         ` Dave Hunt <
                                           ` Igor Gueths
                                             ` Janina Sajka
                                               ` Igor Gueths
                                                 ` Janina Sajka
                                                 ` Gregory Nowak
                                                   ` Janina Sajka
                                                     ` Gregory Nowak
                                                       ` Janina Sajka
                                                         ` Gregory Nowak
                                                           ` Janina Sajka
                                                           ` Janina Sajka
                                                           ` Ann Parsons
                                             ` Toby Fisher
                                               ` Ann Parsons
                                                 ` Toby Fisher
                                 ` Ann Parsons
                                   ` Octavian Rasnita
                                     ` Emacs Notation--was " Dave Hunt <
                                     ` Ann Parsons
                             ` Ann Parsons
                               ` Dave Hunt <
                                 ` Octavian Rasnita
                                   ` Dave Hunt <
                                   ` Ann Parsons
                                     ` Octavian Rasnita
                                       ` Ann Parsons
                                       ` Janina Sajka
                                         ` Toby Fisher
                                         ` Octavian Rasnita
                                       ` Dave Hunt <
                                   ` Janina Sajka
                         ` Cecil H. Whitley
                           ` Janina Sajka
                             ` Octavian Rasnita
                               ` Janina Sajka
                                 ` Octavian Rasnita
                                   ` Janina Sajka
                                     ` Octavian Rasnita
                               ` Dave Hunt <
                                 ` Janina Sajka
                                 ` Octavian Rasnita
                                   ` Dave Hunt <
                                   ` Shaun Oliver
                           ` Octavian Rasnita
                             ` Dave Hunt <
                     ` Janina Sajka
                       ` Octavian Rasnita
                         ` Janina Sajka
                           ` Octavian Rasnita
                         ` Toby Fisher
                       ` Cecil H. Whitley
                         ` Octavian Rasnita
                           ` Cecil H. Whitley
                         ` Janina Sajka
                       ` charles crawford
                     ` Gregory Nowak
                     ` Octavian Rasnita
                       ` Ann Parsons
                         ` Octavian Rasnita
                           ` Janina Sajka
                             ` Octavian Rasnita
                             ` Octavian Rasnita
                               ` Toby Fisher
                                 ` Octavian Rasnita
                                   ` Janina Sajka
                                     ` Octavian Rasnita
                                   ` Janina Sajka
                                   ` Alex Snow
                                     ` Octavian Rasnita
                           ` Ann Parsons
                 ` Ann Parsons
                   ` Octavian Rasnita
                     ` Ann Parsons
                 ` Octavian Rasnita
                   ` Ann Parsons
                     ` Octavian Rasnita
                       ` Toby Fisher
                         ` Deedra Waters
                           ` Why Windows? Rich Caloggero
                             ` Alex Snow
                               ` Janina Sajka
                                 ` Will Smith
                                   ` Janina Sajka
                                 ` Octavian Rasnita
                                   ` David Poehlman
                                     ` Octavian Rasnita
                                       ` Gregory Nowak
                             ` Octavian Rasnita
                               ` David Poehlman [this message]
                                 ` Octavian Rasnita
                                   ` Cecil H. Whitley
                                   ` Janina Sajka
                                     ` Gregory Nowak
                                       ` Alex Snow
                                     ` Octavian Rasnita
                           ` interesting experiment Igor Gueths
                       ` Ann Parsons
                         ` Octavian Rasnita
                           ` Ann Parsons
                             ` Octavian Rasnita
                               ` Gregory Nowak
                               ` Ann Parsons
                               ` Janina Sajka
                   ` Janina Sajka
                     ` Octavian Rasnita
                       ` Janina Sajka
                         ` Shaun Oliver
                           ` Janina Sajka
                             ` Octavian Rasnita
                               ` Ed Barnes
                                 ` Janina Sajka
                                   ` Toby Fisher
                                     ` Ed Barnes
                                 ` Octavian Rasnita
                                   ` Janina Sajka
                                     ` Octavian Rasnita
                           ` Octavian Rasnita
                             ` Deedra Waters
                               ` Janina Sajka
                               ` Gregory Nowak
                                 ` Janina Sajka
                                   ` Deedra Waters
                                     ` Janina Sajka
                                       ` free terminal emulator for windows - download and install Rich Caloggero
                                         ` Gregory Nowak
                                           ` Charles Crawford
                                             ` Alex Snow
                                               ` Igor Gueths
                                                 ` Alex Snow
                                               ` Charles Crawford
                                                 ` Alex Snow
                                             ` Raul A. Gallegos
                                             ` Janina Sajka
                                               ` Alex Snow
                                                 ` Janina Sajka
                                                   ` Raul A. Gallegos
                                                   ` Alex Snow
                                                 ` Toby Fisher
                                             ` Octavian Rasnita
                                               ` Toby Fisher
                                             ` jwantz
                                               ` Octavian Rasnita
                                           ` Raul A. Gallegos
                                             ` Gregory Nowak
                                               ` Raul A. Gallegos
                                         ` Octavian Rasnita
                                       ` interesting experiment Octavian Rasnita
                                         ` Janina Sajka
                                           ` Octavian Rasnita
                                             ` Kerry Hoath
                                               ` Ann Parsons
                                                 ` mailing lists and mail programs Ed Barnes
                                                   ` Thomas Stivers
                                                     ` Raul A. Gallegos
                                                       ` Thomas Stivers
                                                     ` Ann Parsons
                                                       ` Thomas Stivers
                                                         ` Kerry Hoath
                                                           ` Thomas Stivers
                                                         ` Ann Parsons
                                                           ` Thomas Stivers
                                                 ` interesting experiment Octavian Rasnita
                                               ` Toby Fisher
                                                 ` Kerry Hoath
                                     ` Charles Crawford
                                       ` Octavian Rasnita
                                         ` Shaun Oliver
                                           ` Igor Gueths
                                           ` Octavian Rasnita
                                             ` Janina Sajka
                                               ` Octavian Rasnita
                                                 ` Janina Sajka
                                                   ` Octavian Rasnita
                                                     ` Shaun Oliver
                                             ` Igor Gueths
                                               ` Alex Snow
                                                 ` Buddy Brannan
                                                   ` Kerry Hoath
                                                 ` PC Speaker synth for Speakup? Adam Myrow
                                                   ` Alex Snow
                                                     ` Raul A. Gallegos
                                                       ` Kerry Hoath
                                                         ` Alex Snow
                                                     ` Igor Gueths
                                                     ` Pete
                                                       ` Alex Snow
                                                   ` James Poss
                                                 ` interesting experiment Gregory Nowak
                                                 ` Kerry Hoath
                                                   ` Adam Myrow
                                                     ` Alex Snow
                                     ` Octavian Rasnita
                                   ` Octavian Rasnita
                                     ` Janina Sajka
                                       ` Alex Snow
                                         ` Adam Myrow
                                           ` Alex Snow
                                             ` Octavian Rasnita
                                               ` Ann Parsons
                                                 ` Toby Fisher
                                                   ` Ann Parsons
                                                     ` Dave Hunt <
                                   ` Gregory Nowak
                                 ` Octavian Rasnita
                                   ` Janina Sajka
                                     ` Alex Snow
                                       ` Adam Myrow
                                         ` jwantz
                                       ` Octavian Rasnita
                                     ` Octavian Rasnita
                                       ` Ann Parsons
                             ` Janina Sajka
                               ` Octavian Rasnita
                               ` Gregory Nowak
                                 ` Janina Sajka
                         ` Cecil H. Whitley
                           ` Janina Sajka
                           ` Janina Sajka
                             ` Toby Fisher
                               ` Janina Sajka
                                 ` Toby Fisher
                                   ` Janina Sajka
                                     ` Toby Fisher
                                       ` Gregory Nowak
                                       ` Thomas Stivers
                                       ` Octavian Rasnita
                               ` Alex Snow
                                 ` Janina Sajka
                                 ` Toby Fisher
                             ` Octavian Rasnita
                             ` jwantz
                         ` Gregory Nowak
                           ` Janina Sajka
                             ` Ed Barnes
                               ` Janina Sajka
                           ` Kerry Hoath
                             ` Gregory Nowak
                               ` Janina Sajka
                                 ` In appreciation... was yRe: " Terry Cudney
                                 ` Kerry Hoath
                                   ` Hackers Rich Caloggero
                                     ` Hackers Igor Gueths
                                       ` Hackers Octavian Rasnita
                                   ` interesting experiment Igor Gueths
                                   ` Toby Fisher
                                   ` Octavian Rasnita
                                 ` Shaun Oliver
                             ` Octavian Rasnita
                               ` Gregory Nowak
                                 ` Octavian Rasnita
                         ` Octavian Rasnita
                       ` Subject Lines Rich Caloggero
                         ` David Poehlman
                       ` interesting experiment Ann Parsons
                     ` Toby Fisher
                       ` Janina Sajka
                         ` Toby Fisher
                         ` Octavian Rasnita
                           ` Ann Parsons
                     ` Ann Parsons
                   ` Rich Caloggero
                     ` Alex Snow
                       ` Janina Sajka
                         ` Octavian Rasnita
                           ` Janina Sajka
                             ` Octavian Rasnita
                           ` Deedra Waters
                           ` Kerry Hoath
                             ` Toby Fisher
                               ` Steve Holmes
                                 ` Gregory Nowak
                                   ` Steve Holmes
                                 ` Toby Fisher
                           ` Igor Gueths
                           ` Toby Fisher
                       ` Ann Parsons
                     ` Octavian Rasnita
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           ` Igor Gueths
     ` Octavian Rasnita

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