debian installation

debian installation

[Ned]

Hi all,

I installed debian with speakup in my classroom successfully after going through the process once with my instructor. It went so smoothly to the point of being incredible; I mean that was the first ever OS I have ever installed on my own.

Now, you guess, I want to do the same thing here at home on my own machine, and that's where my questions start:
I have XP Pro on my 40-gig hd which is not partitioned, and I decided to buy one more hd on which I want to install Linux. That 2nd hd would be a slave, so how do I tell the debian to install itself onto that hd and to boot up from it? Is this the best solution? I could get rid of everything that is on the current hd and install Linux only, but in that case, will linux support scanner on which I depend so much?

I need to get this done asap!

Bytheway, is there anybody willing to sell a hardware dec talk synth?

Many thanks in advance!
Ned

Re: debian installation

[Charles Hallenbeck]

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Ned,

There is scanner support in Linux with a couple of Debian packages, but 
I am not sure it is as accurate as the stuff for Windows yet. Scanners 
are supported with a package called "sane" (scanners are now easy) that 
gives you a command line application called "scanimage".  Then the OCR 
part is done with a package called "gocr" (you install both gocr and 
gocr-doc) and that too is a command line program. So, they work, but I 
am not sure how well. 

Chuck

On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 10:04:01AM -0700, Ned wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I installed debian with speakup in my classroom successfully after going through the process once with my instructor. It went so smoothly to the point of being incredible; I mean that was the first ever OS I have ever installed on my own.
> 
> Now, you guess, I want to do the same thing here at home on my own machine, and that's where my questions start:
> I have XP Pro on my 40-gig hd which is not partitioned, and I decided to buy one more hd on which I want to install Linux. That 2nd hd would be a slave, so how do I tell the debian to install itself onto that hd and to boot up from it? Is this the best solution? I could get rid of everything that is on the current hd and install Linux only, but in that case, will linux support scanner on which I depend so much?
> 
> I need to get this done asap!
> 
> Bytheway, is there anybody willing to sell a hardware dec talk synth?
> 
> Many thanks in advance!
> Ned
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: debian installation

[Terry D. Cudney]

Hello Chuck and everyone on the list,

	The gocr and a couple of other packages for ocr under linux are not very accurate.

	However, there is a very good package from Vividata for ocr under linux. If you are interested, the info and software are available on:

	ftp.linux-speakup.org/pub/linux/goodies/

	in two files called xtrclilite*.

	This is a commercial package from Vividata. They have very kindly provided a few of us in the speakup community license keys at  no charge while they are determining a method a fair pricing for blind users.

	You will need the sane package installed and working with your scanner. Check out the package on linux-speakup.org.  If you are interested in this ocr software, please contact me and I will see if Vividata will still provide license keys for us.

	--terry

> 
> 
> Ned,
> 
> There is scanner support in Linux with a couple of Debian packages, but 
> I am not sure it is as accurate as the stuff for Windows yet. Scanners 
> are supported with a package called "sane" (scanners are now easy) that 
> gives you a command line application called "scanimage".  Then the OCR 
> part is done with a package called "gocr" (you install both gocr and 
> gocr-doc) and that too is a command line program. So, they work, but I 
> am not sure how well. 
> 
> Chuck
> 
> On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 10:04:01AM -0700, Ned wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > I installed debian with speakup in my classroom successfully after going through the process once with my instructor. It went so smoothly to the point of being incredible; I mean that was the first ever OS I have ever installed on my own.
> > 
> > Now, you guess, I want to do the same thing here at home on my own machine, and that's where my questions start:
> > I have XP Pro on my 40-gig hd which is not partitioned, and I decided to buy one more hd on which I want to install Linux. That 2nd hd would be a slave, so how do I tell the debian to install itself onto that hd and to boot up from it? Is this the best solution? I could get rid of everything that is on the current hd and install Linux only, but in that case, will linux support scanner on which I depend so much?
> > 
> > I need to get this done asap!
> > 
> > Bytheway, is there anybody willing to sell a hardware dec talk synth?
> > 
> > Many thanks in advance!
> > Ned
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
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Re: debian installation

[Marcel Oats]

Hi, here's a Marcel rather woffley message, which is a bit long.
At the risk of this question being answered already, if your new drive is 
unformatted, during the installation (before the system ejects the cd and 
reboots) you arrive at the (set up partitions) menu, or similar wording.  If 
you hit enter, you can select "automatic partitioning".  Do this, and you 
should get an option called
"use the maximum free space".  In this instance, it will be the new drive, 
which of course has nothing on it yet.  You should be able to continue on 
your own, and you also will have the chance to read the screen during the 
"warning" question, as it will tell you which drive the new partition is 
being created on; in this instance, it'd be
hdb.

After installing the base system (the next step in the installation process) 
you will be able to "install the grub boot manager".  This is the part of 
the system which allows you to choose between whether Linux or Windows 
boots.  When you hit enter, you'll get a question about installing it into 
the boot record of your first hard disk.  This is the one with Windows on 
it.  It's a good idea to do this, as it can be the first thing to load.  You 
should read the screen before hitting enter to accept Yes, and make sure 
that Windows XP is listed.  If for some reason it's not, tab to back, and 
try again.  There shouldn't be any trouble though, as it's a nice reliable 
boot manager.
When the system reboots, you'll notice that there is a delay, then Linux 
loads.  During this delay, you can press down arrow (on my system it's THREE 
times) to get to your XP, then press enter.  On here, various flavours of 
Linux are installed, such as Linux with recovery, without frame buffer etc, 
but the nice thing is that they will all speak, as the speakup kernel is 
used.

One thing you might like to do is to log onto Linux as root, and use an 
editor like vim or emacs to edit the file
/boot/grub/menu.lst
go down to the line that says something like
"Title Windows XP Professional"
or whatever, arrow to the start of the word "professional", press I to go 
into insert mode, then press control+v, followed by control+g.  If you then 
look at the word, you'll find a ^ simble before it.

Press
<ESCAPE>:wq
then return, and it should say it's written so many bytes.
What we did, was actually suggested in the guide to installing Fedora with 
Speakup. This is to make the boot manager ring the bell, whenever you arrow 
down to Windows XP.
The default is Linux, so just press Enter, or wait, for the boot.

I hope that's clear.
Reply if it's nott, I'm about to scrap a system and put Debian onto that, so 
can tell you exactly what happens.
I've tried Fedora, and it's nice, but I am kind of experimenting I guess.  I 
want to try FC4, but don't know how to put a speakup kernel into a 
instalation cd.
Marcel

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ned" <ngranic@cox.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 6:04 AM
Subject: debian installation


> Hi all,
>
> I installed debian with speakup in my classroom successfully after going 
> through the process once with my instructor. It went so smoothly to the 
> point of being incredible; I mean that was the first ever OS I have ever 
> installed on my own.
>
> Now, you guess, I want to do the same thing here at home on my own 
> machine, and that's where my questions start:
> I have XP Pro on my 40-gig hd which is not partitioned, and I decided to 
> buy one more hd on which I want to install Linux. That 2nd hd would be a 
> slave, so how do I tell the debian to install itself onto that hd and to 
> boot up from it? Is this the best solution? I could get rid of everything 
> that is on the current hd and install Linux only, but in that case, will 
> linux support scanner on which I depend so much?
>
> I need to get this done asap!
>
> Bytheway, is there anybody willing to sell a hardware dec talk synth?
>
> Many thanks in advance!
> Ned
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> 

Re: debian installation

[Ned]

thanks a million! this is what i was looking for...
i've got the hd, and cannot wait until Monday to pick up the barroed synth, 
and then the music shall start!
now tell me is it gonna make any difference when i install the debian as a 
dns server rather than a desctop system?
one more question: which drive will be the root?
oh, i'm looking forward to finishing the installation ...

many thanks once more!
ned
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marcel Oats" <moats@orcon.net.nz>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 11:32 PM
Subject: Re: debian installation


> Hi, here's a Marcel rather woffley message, which is a bit long.
> At the risk of this question being answered already, if your new drive is
> unformatted, during the installation (before the system ejects the cd and
> reboots) you arrive at the (set up partitions) menu, or similar wording. 
> If
> you hit enter, you can select "automatic partitioning".  Do this, and you
> should get an option called
> "use the maximum free space".  In this instance, it will be the new drive,
> which of course has nothing on it yet.  You should be able to continue on
> your own, and you also will have the chance to read the screen during the
> "warning" question, as it will tell you which drive the new partition is
> being created on; in this instance, it'd be
> hdb.
>
> After installing the base system (the next step in the installation 
> process)
> you will be able to "install the grub boot manager".  This is the part of
> the system which allows you to choose between whether Linux or Windows
> boots.  When you hit enter, you'll get a question about installing it into
> the boot record of your first hard disk.  This is the one with Windows on
> it.  It's a good idea to do this, as it can be the first thing to load. 
> You
> should read the screen before hitting enter to accept Yes, and make sure
> that Windows XP is listed.  If for some reason it's not, tab to back, and
> try again.  There shouldn't be any trouble though, as it's a nice reliable
> boot manager.
> When the system reboots, you'll notice that there is a delay, then Linux
> loads.  During this delay, you can press down arrow (on my system it's 
> THREE
> times) to get to your XP, then press enter.  On here, various flavours of
> Linux are installed, such as Linux with recovery, without frame buffer 
> etc,
> but the nice thing is that they will all speak, as the speakup kernel is
> used.
>
> One thing you might like to do is to log onto Linux as root, and use an
> editor like vim or emacs to edit the file
> /boot/grub/menu.lst
> go down to the line that says something like
> "Title Windows XP Professional"
> or whatever, arrow to the start of the word "professional", press I to go
> into insert mode, then press control+v, followed by control+g.  If you 
> then
> look at the word, you'll find a ^ simble before it.
>
> Press
> <ESCAPE>:wq
> then return, and it should say it's written so many bytes.
> What we did, was actually suggested in the guide to installing Fedora with
> Speakup. This is to make the boot manager ring the bell, whenever you 
> arrow
> down to Windows XP.
> The default is Linux, so just press Enter, or wait, for the boot.
>
> I hope that's clear.
> Reply if it's nott, I'm about to scrap a system and put Debian onto that, 
> so
> can tell you exactly what happens.
> I've tried Fedora, and it's nice, but I am kind of experimenting I guess. 
> I
> want to try FC4, but don't know how to put a speakup kernel into a
> instalation cd.
> Marcel
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ned" <ngranic@cox.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 6:04 AM
> Subject: debian installation
>
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I installed debian with speakup in my classroom successfully after going
>> through the process once with my instructor. It went so smoothly to the
>> point of being incredible; I mean that was the first ever OS I have ever
>> installed on my own.
>>
>> Now, you guess, I want to do the same thing here at home on my own
>> machine, and that's where my questions start:
>> I have XP Pro on my 40-gig hd which is not partitioned, and I decided to
>> buy one more hd on which I want to install Linux. That 2nd hd would be a
>> slave, so how do I tell the debian to install itself onto that hd and to
>> boot up from it? Is this the best solution? I could get rid of everything
>> that is on the current hd and install Linux only, but in that case, will
>> linux support scanner on which I depend so much?
>>
>> I need to get this done asap!
>>
>> Bytheway, is there anybody willing to sell a hardware dec talk synth?
>>
>> Many thanks in advance!
>> Ned
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup 

Re: debian installation

[Marcel Oats]

Hi Ned, all files will be on hdb, however you partition it, as your WinXP 
drive is full.
I just selected everything, except manual package selection.  If you install 
a desktop system, you'll get the X server, whereas you'd just get a shell if 
you install any other server-based platform.  They're all [*] kind of 
checkboxes anyway, and the whole thing here is taking up about 5.2 gb, I 
think.
Also, if you install the desktop system as well as other stuff, you can then 
install gnopernicus, by logging into a shell and typing
apt-get install gnopernicus
and it'll retrieve it from the net.  Good luck getting it working, I 
couldn't, which I think is a pity, as I'd like to see what it's like.

Glad to be of assistance, hopefully!

I did an
apt-get dist-upgrade
on my system, which brought most of the components up-to-date.  It did *not* 
alter the base kernel, but replaced some modules, so if you do that, follow 
their instructions and reboot immediately.  Since doing that, I've noticed 
disk writes are a lot quicker.


Marcel

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ned" <ngranic@cox.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: debian installation


> thanks a million! this is what i was looking for...
> i've got the hd, and cannot wait until Monday to pick up the barroed 
> synth,
> and then the music shall start!
> now tell me is it gonna make any difference when i install the debian as a
> dns server rather than a desctop system?
> one more question: which drive will be the root?
> oh, i'm looking forward to finishing the installation ...
>
> many thanks once more!
> ned

Re: debian installation

[Ned]

for now i'll install the dns server since that's what we do at school, and 
later on, after mastering the system, i will play with it any way i want.
i forgot to ask couple of questions related to speakup itself:
on the screen when grub bootloader is installed, the buttons are read by 
speakup  as "go back yes" (the yes button), "go back no" (the no button), 
and "yes no" (don't know that one); and also on the finishing installation 
screen the "go back" and "continue" buttons are both read as "go back 
continue"; how does one get around this problem in distinguishing which one 
is which?
and this must be linux question of which i should be ashamed, but anyway: 
how do i edit a previously entered command line, that is, how do i insert or 
delete from it other than appending it and deleting from its end?
by-the-way, does java virtual machine as well as a java compiler come by 
default in debian? i know that the gcc c/c++ compiler as well as perl 
interpreter do. how wonderfull!!!

many thanks good people!
ned
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marcel Oats" <moats@orcon.net.nz>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 1:40 AM
Subject: Re: debian installation


> Hi Ned, all files will be on hdb, however you partition it, as your WinXP
> drive is full.
> I just selected everything, except manual package selection.  If you 
> install
> a desktop system, you'll get the X server, whereas you'd just get a shell 
> if
> you install any other server-based platform.  They're all [*] kind of
> checkboxes anyway, and the whole thing here is taking up about 5.2 gb, I
> think.
> Also, if you install the desktop system as well as other stuff, you can 
> then
> install gnopernicus, by logging into a shell and typing
> apt-get install gnopernicus
> and it'll retrieve it from the net.  Good luck getting it working, I
> couldn't, which I think is a pity, as I'd like to see what it's like.
>
> Glad to be of assistance, hopefully!
>
> I did an
> apt-get dist-upgrade
> on my system, which brought most of the components up-to-date.  It did 
> *not*
> alter the base kernel, but replaced some modules, so if you do that, 
> follow
> their instructions and reboot immediately.  Since doing that, I've noticed
> disk writes are a lot quicker.
>
>
> Marcel
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ned" <ngranic@cox.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 8:51 PM
> Subject: Re: debian installation
>
>
>> thanks a million! this is what i was looking for...
>> i've got the hd, and cannot wait until Monday to pick up the barroed
>> synth,
>> and then the music shall start!
>> now tell me is it gonna make any difference when i install the debian as 
>> a
>> dns server rather than a desctop system?
>> one more question: which drive will be the root?
>> oh, i'm looking forward to finishing the installation ...
>>
>> many thanks once more!
>> ned
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup 

Re: debian installation

[Gregory Nowak]

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The up/down arrows move you from yes to no, and the tab moves you from
back to continue. Generally, if you here yes-no, then the last thing
you heard is the choice you're on now, (I.E. no in the yes-no
case). You can also press 5 on the numpad, which is the key for say
word in speakup, and it will tell you what you're currently on now
(I.E. you'll hear <no> if you're on no). This might also apply to back
and continue, but I don't remember if it actually does. These problems
have been for the most part taken care of by the hilight tracking
feature, so you shouldn't run into this very often.

To use/edit the previous command-line, just press the up-arrow at the
shell prompt. To edit that command line, use the left and right arrow
keys. Pressing backspace will delete the character prior to the one
you're on now. Typing a character or characters will insert it or them
to the left of the character on which you are on now.

As for java, there is a free java compiler called jgcc I think, and
there is most likely a java interpreter as well. When I had to use
java however, my preference was to download the non-free version from
Sun's site, and install and use that compiler and vm, and I don't know
if those are available as a debian package, or if you need to grab
them from Sun's site directly. Hth.

Greg


On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 09:04:04AM -0700, Ned wrote:
> for now i'll install the dns server since that's what we do at school, and 
> later on, after mastering the system, i will play with it any way i want.
> i forgot to ask couple of questions related to speakup itself:
> on the screen when grub bootloader is installed, the buttons are read by 
> speakup  as "go back yes" (the yes button), "go back no" (the no button), 
> and "yes no" (don't know that one); and also on the finishing installation 
> screen the "go back" and "continue" buttons are both read as "go back 
> continue"; how does one get around this problem in distinguishing which one 
> is which?
> and this must be linux question of which i should be ashamed, but anyway: 
> how do i edit a previously entered command line, that is, how do i insert or 
> delete from it other than appending it and deleting from its end?
> by-the-way, does java virtual machine as well as a java compiler come by 
> default in debian? i know that the gcc c/c++ compiler as well as perl 
> interpreter do. how wonderfull!!!
> 
> many thanks good people!
> ned

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RE: debian installation

[Sina Bahram]

What do you mean the non-free version from sun's site?

My understanding is that the jvm is absolutely and 100% free. There's just
licensing issues with packaging the stupid thing up with distros, but as far
as cost: it is free.

Am I mistaken on this for Linux?

I know it to be absolutley true for Windows and Mac OSX.

Take care,
Sina 

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of Gregory Nowak
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 4:45 PM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: debian installation

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The up/down arrows move you from yes to no, and the tab moves you from back
to continue. Generally, if you here yes-no, then the last thing you heard is
the choice you're on now, (I.E. no in the yes-no case). You can also press 5
on the numpad, which is the key for say word in speakup, and it will tell
you what you're currently on now (I.E. you'll hear <no> if you're on no).
This might also apply to back and continue, but I don't remember if it
actually does. These problems have been for the most part taken care of by
the hilight tracking feature, so you shouldn't run into this very often.

To use/edit the previous command-line, just press the up-arrow at the shell
prompt. To edit that command line, use the left and right arrow keys.
Pressing backspace will delete the character prior to the one you're on now.
Typing a character or characters will insert it or them to the left of the
character on which you are on now.

As for java, there is a free java compiler called jgcc I think, and there is
most likely a java interpreter as well. When I had to use java however, my
preference was to download the non-free version from Sun's site, and install
and use that compiler and vm, and I don't know if those are available as a
debian package, or if you need to grab them from Sun's site directly. Hth.

Greg


On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 09:04:04AM -0700, Ned wrote:
> for now i'll install the dns server since that's what we do at school, 
> and later on, after mastering the system, i will play with it any way i
want.
> i forgot to ask couple of questions related to speakup itself:
> on the screen when grub bootloader is installed, the buttons are read 
> by speakup  as "go back yes" (the yes button), "go back no" (the no 
> button), and "yes no" (don't know that one); and also on the finishing 
> installation screen the "go back" and "continue" buttons are both read 
> as "go back continue"; how does one get around this problem in 
> distinguishing which one is which?
> and this must be linux question of which i should be ashamed, but anyway: 
> how do i edit a previously entered command line, that is, how do i 
> insert or delete from it other than appending it and deleting from its
end?
> by-the-way, does java virtual machine as well as a java compiler come 
> by default in debian? i know that the gcc c/c++ compiler as well as 
> perl interpreter do. how wonderfull!!!
> 
> many thanks good people!
> ned

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Re: debian installation

[Gregory Nowak]

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I meant non-free in the sense of free speech, and not in the sense of
free beer, which is how you seem to have interpreted it.

Greg


On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 06:46:47PM -0500, Sina Bahram wrote:
> What do you mean the non-free version from sun's site?
> 
> My understanding is that the jvm is absolutely and 100% free. There's just
> licensing issues with packaging the stupid thing up with distros, but as far
> as cost: it is free.
> 
> Am I mistaken on this for Linux?
> 
> I know it to be absolutley true for Windows and Mac OSX.
> 
> Take care,
> Sina 
> 

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RE: debian installation

[Sina Bahram]

I see

Take care,
Sina 

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Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 9:03 PM
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Subject: Re: debian installation

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I meant non-free in the sense of free speech, and not in the sense of free
beer, which is how you seem to have interpreted it.

Greg


On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 06:46:47PM -0500, Sina Bahram wrote:
> What do you mean the non-free version from sun's site?
> 
> My understanding is that the jvm is absolutely and 100% free. There's 
> just licensing issues with packaging the stupid thing up with distros, 
> but as far as cost: it is free.
> 
> Am I mistaken on this for Linux?
> 
> I know it to be absolutley true for Windows and Mac OSX.
> 
> Take care,
> Sina
> 

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Re: debian installation

[Marcel Oats]

The key is to read where the cursor is placed, by pressing numpad five.  If 
you've been exploring the screen, then you need to press numpad enter to 
rout the speakup cursor to where the shell cursor is.  The reason why it 
says things like "yes no", or "no back", is that the buttons are reprinted 
with or without highlighting.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ned" <ngranic@cox.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 5:04 AM
Subject: Re: debian installation


> for now i'll install the dns server since that's what we do at school, and
> later on, after mastering the system, i will play with it any way i want.
> i forgot to ask couple of questions related to speakup itself:
> on the screen when grub bootloader is installed, the buttons are read by
> speakup  as "go back yes" (the yes button), "go back no" (the no button),
> and "yes no" (don't know that one); and also on the finishing installation
> screen the "go back" and "continue" buttons are both read as "go back
> continue"; how does one get around this problem in distinguishing which 
> one
> is which?
> and this must be linux question of which i should be ashamed, but anyway:
> how do i edit a previously entered command line, that is, how do i insert 
> or
> delete from it other than appending it and deleting from its end?
> by-the-way, does java virtual machine as well as a java compiler come by
> default in debian? i know that the gcc c/c++ compiler as well as perl
> interpreter do. how wonderfull!!!
>
> many thanks good people!
> ned
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Marcel Oats" <moats@orcon.net.nz>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 1:40 AM
> Subject: Re: debian installation
>
>
>> Hi Ned, all files will be on hdb, however you partition it, as your WinXP
>> drive is full.
>> I just selected everything, except manual package selection.  If you
>> install
>> a desktop system, you'll get the X server, whereas you'd just get a shell
>> if
>> you install any other server-based platform.  They're all [*] kind of
>> checkboxes anyway, and the whole thing here is taking up about 5.2 gb, I
>> think.
>> Also, if you install the desktop system as well as other stuff, you can
>> then
>> install gnopernicus, by logging into a shell and typing
>> apt-get install gnopernicus
>> and it'll retrieve it from the net.  Good luck getting it working, I
>> couldn't, which I think is a pity, as I'd like to see what it's like.
>>
>> Glad to be of assistance, hopefully!
>>
>> I did an
>> apt-get dist-upgrade
>> on my system, which brought most of the components up-to-date.  It did
>> *not*
>> alter the base kernel, but replaced some modules, so if you do that,
>> follow
>> their instructions and reboot immediately.  Since doing that, I've 
>> noticed
>> disk writes are a lot quicker.
>>
>>
>> Marcel
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Ned" <ngranic@cox.net>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 8:51 PM
>> Subject: Re: debian installation
>>
>>
>>> thanks a million! this is what i was looking for...
>>> i've got the hd, and cannot wait until Monday to pick up the barroed
>>> synth,
>>> and then the music shall start!
>>> now tell me is it gonna make any difference when i install the debian as
>>> a
>>> dns server rather than a desctop system?
>>> one more question: which drive will be the root?
>>> oh, i'm looking forward to finishing the installation ...
>>>
>>> many thanks once more!
>>> ned
>>
>>
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Re: debian installation

[Scott Berry]

Hi Marcel,

As far as Gnopernicus goes I had to actually install the latest 
version.  It seems as though Debian packages sometimes are behind other 
distros.  The reason for this is because Debian is very picky about how 
the programs work.  This is why they have stable, testing, and unstable.

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Re: debian installation

[Scott Berry]

Hey Ned not a problem.  The root system will be on the second drive /dev/hdb.

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Re: debian installation

[Scott Berry]

Hi Ned,

Firstly your question about installing Debian.  You should install 
Debian on "/hdb".  This would be considered the same as a d drive in 
Windows.  This would be done by using the cfdisk partitioning program.  
Secondly, I don't have a hardware Dectalk but I could part with a 
Doubletalk if you like.

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debian installation

[Keith Barrett]

Hi Group,

I recently downloaded the debian images from the speakup site.

I find that I cannot get speech unless I specify the apolo during the 
boot process by holding down the shift key before it starts reading 
the drives.

Have I done something wrong during the installation?

I would appreciate simple and detailed replies as I am not yet fully 
familiar with the linux system.

Does anyone have any documentation on this installation process?


Regards

Keith Barrett
gw4nby

Re: debian installation

[Geoff Shang]

Hi Keith:

No, you haven't done anything wrong.  The situation is that the kernel has
all speech synth drivers installed and doesn't know which should be used by
default, so it needs to be specified.  To do this automatically, edit
/etc/lilo.conf and look for a line that begins with:

append=

If there isn't one, make one somewhere before the first line that begins
with:

image=

Now, you want to put the speakup_synth= directive somewhere in the append
string.  If there's nothing there already, just write it in after the
equals sign.  If there is, write it in either before or after, ensuring you
have a space between parameters.

Now, save, run lilo, and reboot.

Geoff.