smbtar

smbtar

[Gregory Nowak]

Hi all,

I know that you can backup a windows machine using smbclient's smbtar. However, what happens in terms of restoring that backup when your windows gets wiped? I thought you might be able to boot into Linux from floppies, and restore that way, but I wasn't sure. Any comments?
Greg

Re: smbtar

[Pete]

From: "Gregory Nowak" <gnowak1@uic.edu>
> Hi all,
>
> I know that you can backup a windows machine using smbclient's smbtar.
However, what happens in terms of restoring that backup when your windows
gets wiped? I thought you might be able to boot into Linux from floppies,
and restore that way, but I wasn't sure. Any comments?
> Greg
>
  I used winzip to do it zip everything in to a massive zip turned into exe.
You stil need windows up to make it unzip though. The script files MS has
for use whith setup from dos suck-- ESP the productID not being accepted in
the script file.
  TC
  I was looking at a C gate 137 gig SCSI drive under $300, any comments
about it and speakup+linux working TGR?
Pete

Re: smbtar

[Janina Sajka]

I don't know anything about using SMB tools for backing Windows up. I do 
know, from experience, that using dd to write an image of the Windows 
partition works excellently well. So, if you could build yourself a 
floppy, or a CD ROM, that booted linux with speakup and net drivers, I 
don't see why you couldn't restore a Windows machine over the net, or from 
some locally attached media.

My experience using dd this way is mostly on my portable Thinkpad, where I 
keep a Windows installation in /dev/hda3. Whenever I install something on 
that partition that mucks up the Windows, I don't muss and I don't fuss. I 
just go back to linux and dd the former, pre-troublesome Windows 
installation back to /dev/hda3. Works like a charm, and it works fast. My 
restores are about 10 minutes on just over 2 gB.



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Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

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Re: smbtar

[Gregory Nowak]

Ok, but that still goes back to the original issue I've had with it. Namely, how are you supposed to smb network the crashed pc to get the images off the server?
Greg


On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 11:48:01AM -0500, Pete wrote:
> From: "Gregory Nowak" <gnowak1@uic.edu>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I know that you can backup a windows machine using smbclient's smbtar.
> However, what happens in terms of restoring that backup when your windows
> gets wiped? I thought you might be able to boot into Linux from floppies,
> and restore that way, but I wasn't sure. Any comments?
> > Greg
> >
>   I used winzip to do it zip everything in to a massive zip turned into exe.
> You stil need windows up to make it unzip though. The script files MS has
> for use whith setup from dos suck-- ESP the productID not being accepted in
> the script file.
>   TC
>   I was looking at a C gate 137 gig SCSI drive under $300, any comments
> about it and speakup+linux working TGR?
> Pete
> 
> 
> 
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Re: smbtar

[Gregory Nowak]

So, if I had a share that I wanted to backup //machine/c to a file backup via dd, I could then(probably through nfs with linux boot disks) connect to the server, and dd backup to the networked machine?
Greg


On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 11:57:16AM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> I don't know anything about using SMB tools for backing Windows up. I do 
> know, from experience, that using dd to write an image of the Windows 
> partition works excellently well. So, if you could build yourself a 
> floppy, or a CD ROM, that booted linux with speakup and net drivers, I 
> don't see why you couldn't restore a Windows machine over the net, or from 
> some locally attached media.
> 
> My experience using dd this way is mostly on my portable Thinkpad, where I 
> keep a Windows installation in /dev/hda3. Whenever I install something on 
> that partition that mucks up the Windows, I don't muss and I don't fuss. I 
> just go back to linux and dd the former, pre-troublesome Windows 
> installation back to /dev/hda3. Works like a charm, and it works fast. My 
> restores are about 10 minutes on just over 2 gB.
> 
> 
> 
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> 				Technology Research and Development
> 				Governmental Relations Group
> 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> 
> Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
> 
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> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
> 
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Re: smbtar

[Janina Sajka]

I should think so. As long as you can boot the local machine, whether by 
floppy, CDR, or whatever, and connect to the net, this should work just 
fine, imho. 

I think you might want to keep data on the local partition, just in case 
you have to dive down to repartition. Don't know how dd treats restoring 
to a different sized partition, wouldn't expect it would be happy with a 
smaller partition, and don't have any sense about a larger one because 
I've never tried that.
 On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Gregory Nowak wrote:

> So, if I had a share that I wanted to backup //machine/c to a file backup via dd, I could then(probably through nfs with linux boot disks) connect to the server, and dd backup to the networked machine?
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 11:57:16AM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > I don't know anything about using SMB tools for backing Windows up. I do 
> > know, from experience, that using dd to write an image of the Windows 
> > partition works excellently well. So, if you could build yourself a 
> > floppy, or a CD ROM, that booted linux with speakup and net drivers, I 
> > don't see why you couldn't restore a Windows machine over the net, or from 
> > some locally attached media.
> > 
> > My experience using dd this way is mostly on my portable Thinkpad, where I 
> > keep a Windows installation in /dev/hda3. Whenever I install something on 
> > that partition that mucks up the Windows, I don't muss and I don't fuss. I 
> > just go back to linux and dd the former, pre-troublesome Windows 
> > installation back to /dev/hda3. Works like a charm, and it works fast. My 
> > restores are about 10 minutes on just over 2 gB.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > 	
> > 				Janina Sajka, Director
> > 				Technology Research and Development
> > 				Governmental Relations Group
> > 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > 
> > Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > 
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> > 
> > 
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				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Re: smbtar

[Thomas Ward]

Hi, Greg. Have you ever conciddered Image cast 4.5?
I use it extensively to Image drives, and it works good from dos floppies.
One thing I've noticed is if you are going to shoot across the network you
will need dos drivers for your nic.


----- Original Message -----
From: Gregory Nowak <gnowak1@uic.edu>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: smbtar


> Ok, but that still goes back to the original issue I've had with it.
Namely, how are you supposed to smb network the crashed pc to get the images
off the server?
> Greg
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 11:48:01AM -0500, Pete wrote:
> > From: "Gregory Nowak" <gnowak1@uic.edu>
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I know that you can backup a windows machine using smbclient's smbtar.
> > However, what happens in terms of restoring that backup when your
windows
> > gets wiped? I thought you might be able to boot into Linux from
floppies,
> > and restore that way, but I wasn't sure. Any comments?
> > > Greg
> > >
> >   I used winzip to do it zip everything in to a massive zip turned into
exe.
> > You stil need windows up to make it unzip though. The script files MS
has
> > for use whith setup from dos suck-- ESP the productID not being accepted
in
> > the script file.
> >   TC
> >   I was looking at a C gate 137 gig SCSI drive under $300, any comments
> > about it and speakup+linux working TGR?
> > Pete
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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Re: smbtar

[Thomas Ward]

Hi, Greg. It's possible if you put the dd image on a cd if you had a dos
port of dd you could just extract directly from something like that.
I wonder if rawrite would work for something like this.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gregory Nowak <gnowak1@uic.edu>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: smbtar


> So, if I had a share that I wanted to backup file://machine/c to a file
backup via dd, I could then(probably through nfs with linux boot disks)
connect to the server, and dd backup to the networked machine?
> Greg
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 11:57:16AM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > I don't know anything about using SMB tools for backing Windows up. I do
> > know, from experience, that using dd to write an image of the Windows
> > partition works excellently well. So, if you could build yourself a
> > floppy, or a CD ROM, that booted linux with speakup and net drivers, I
> > don't see why you couldn't restore a Windows machine over the net, or
from
> > some locally attached media.
> >
> > My experience using dd this way is mostly on my portable Thinkpad, where
I
> > keep a Windows installation in /dev/hda3. Whenever I install something
on
> > that partition that mucks up the Windows, I don't muss and I don't fuss.
I
> > just go back to linux and dd the former, pre-troublesome Windows
> > installation back to /dev/hda3. Works like a charm, and it works fast.
My
> > restores are about 10 minutes on just over 2 gB.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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Re: smbtar

[Gregory Nowak]

No I haven't, because it costs.
Greg


On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 04:56:01PM -0500, Thomas Ward wrote:
> Hi, Greg. Have you ever conciddered Image cast 4.5?
> I use it extensively to Image drives, and it works good from dos floppies.
> One thing I've noticed is if you are going to shoot across the network you
> will need dos drivers for your nic.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gregory Nowak <gnowak1@uic.edu>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 1:52 PM
> Subject: Re: smbtar
> 
> 
> > Ok, but that still goes back to the original issue I've had with it.
> Namely, how are you supposed to smb network the crashed pc to get the images
> off the server?
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 11:48:01AM -0500, Pete wrote:
> > > From: "Gregory Nowak" <gnowak1@uic.edu>
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > I know that you can backup a windows machine using smbclient's smbtar.
> > > However, what happens in terms of restoring that backup when your
> windows
> > > gets wiped? I thought you might be able to boot into Linux from
> floppies,
> > > and restore that way, but I wasn't sure. Any comments?
> > > > Greg
> > > >
> > >   I used winzip to do it zip everything in to a massive zip turned into
> exe.
> > > You stil need windows up to make it unzip though. The script files MS
> has
> > > for use whith setup from dos suck-- ESP the productID not being accepted
> in
> > > the script file.
> > >   TC
> > >   I was looking at a C gate 137 gig SCSI drive under $300, any comments
> > > about it and speakup+linux working TGR?
> > > Pete
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
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Re: smbtar

[Gregory Nowak]

Yes, rawrite would work, but the cd-rom drive in the machine I'm thinking of is so old, that it can't read cdrws, and I don't want to waste a cdr.
Greg


On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 04:57:54PM -0500, Thomas Ward wrote:
> Hi, Greg. It's possible if you put the dd image on a cd if you had a dos
> port of dd you could just extract directly from something like that.
> I wonder if rawrite would work for something like this.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gregory Nowak <gnowak1@uic.edu>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 1:55 PM
> Subject: Re: smbtar
> 
> 
> > So, if I had a share that I wanted to backup file://machine/c to a file
> backup via dd, I could then(probably through nfs with linux boot disks)
> connect to the server, and dd backup to the networked machine?
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 11:57:16AM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > > I don't know anything about using SMB tools for backing Windows up. I do
> > > know, from experience, that using dd to write an image of the Windows
> > > partition works excellently well. So, if you could build yourself a
> > > floppy, or a CD ROM, that booted linux with speakup and net drivers, I
> > > don't see why you couldn't restore a Windows machine over the net, or
> from
> > > some locally attached media.
> > >
> > > My experience using dd this way is mostly on my portable Thinkpad, where
> I
> > > keep a Windows installation in /dev/hda3. Whenever I install something
> on
> > > that partition that mucks up the Windows, I don't muss and I don't fuss.
> I
> > > just go back to linux and dd the former, pre-troublesome Windows
> > > installation back to /dev/hda3. Works like a charm, and it works fast.
> My
> > > restores are about 10 minutes on just over 2 gB.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > Technology Research and Development
> > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > >
> > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > >
> > > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > http://www.openebook.org
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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> >
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Re: smbtar

[Janina Sajka]

It's very unlikely that a dd image will fit on a CDR. On a DVDR, probably, 
but unlikely on a CDR even with tar and bzip2. dd is byte for byte, so how 
ever large the partition, that's how large the file will be.
 On Tue, 1 Jan 
2002, Thomas Ward wrote:

> Hi, Greg. It's possible if you put the dd image on a cd if you had a dos
> port of dd you could just extract directly from something like that.
> I wonder if rawrite would work for something like this.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gregory Nowak <gnowak1@uic.edu>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 1:55 PM
> Subject: Re: smbtar
> 
> 
> > So, if I had a share that I wanted to backup file://machine/c to a file
> backup via dd, I could then(probably through nfs with linux boot disks)
> connect to the server, and dd backup to the networked machine?
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 11:57:16AM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > > I don't know anything about using SMB tools for backing Windows up. I do
> > > know, from experience, that using dd to write an image of the Windows
> > > partition works excellently well. So, if you could build yourself a
> > > floppy, or a CD ROM, that booted linux with speakup and net drivers, I
> > > don't see why you couldn't restore a Windows machine over the net, or
> from
> > > some locally attached media.
> > >
> > > My experience using dd this way is mostly on my portable Thinkpad, where
> I
> > > keep a Windows installation in /dev/hda3. Whenever I install something
> on
> > > that partition that mucks up the Windows, I don't muss and I don't fuss.
> I
> > > just go back to linux and dd the former, pre-troublesome Windows
> > > installation back to /dev/hda3. Works like a charm, and it works fast.
> My
> > > restores are about 10 minutes on just over 2 gB.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > Technology Research and Development
> > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > >
> > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > >
> > > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > http://www.openebook.org
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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> >
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				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Re: smbtar

[Pete]

  I had a 20 gig drive at the time and made a partission at the end of the
drive to zip it to.
  too bad the pkz250 can't be used to do the backup from dos.

  Pete

From: "Gregory Nowak" <gnowak1@uic.edu>

> Ok, but that still goes back to the original issue I've had with it.
Namely, how are you supposed to smb network the crashed pc to get the images
off the server?
> Greg
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 11:48:01AM -0500, Pete wrote:
> > From: "Gregory Nowak" <gnowak1@uic.edu>
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I know that you can backup a windows machine using smbclient's smbtar.
> > However, what happens in terms of restoring that backup when your
windows
> > gets wiped? I thought you might be able to boot into Linux from
floppies,
> > and restore that way, but I wasn't sure. Any comments?
> > > Greg
> > >
> >   I used winzip to do it zip everything in to a massive zip turned into
exe.
> > You stil need windows up to make it unzip though. The script files MS
has
> > for use whith setup from dos suck-- ESP the productID not being accepted
in
> > the script file.
> >   TC
> >   I was looking at a C gate 137 gig SCSI drive under $300, any comments
> > about it and speakup+linux working TGR?
> > Pete
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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Re: smbtar

[Janina Sajka]

Ah, but if you can boot linux from a floppy, then just use dd (or parted's 
partition copy). It works.

On Wed, 2 Jan 2002, Pete wrote:

>   I had a 20 gig drive at the time and made a partission at the end of the
> drive to zip it to.
>   too bad the pkz250 can't be used to do the backup from dos.
> 
>   Pete
> 
> From: "Gregory Nowak" <gnowak1@uic.edu>
> 
> > Ok, but that still goes back to the original issue I've had with it.
> Namely, how are you supposed to smb network the crashed pc to get the images
> off the server?
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 11:48:01AM -0500, Pete wrote:
> > > From: "Gregory Nowak" <gnowak1@uic.edu>
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > I know that you can backup a windows machine using smbclient's smbtar.
> > > However, what happens in terms of restoring that backup when your
> windows
> > > gets wiped? I thought you might be able to boot into Linux from
> floppies,
> > > and restore that way, but I wasn't sure. Any comments?
> > > > Greg
> > > >
> > >   I used winzip to do it zip everything in to a massive zip turned into
> exe.
> > > You stil need windows up to make it unzip though. The script files MS
> has
> > > for use whith setup from dos suck-- ESP the productID not being accepted
> in
> > > the script file.
> > >   TC
> > >   I was looking at a C gate 137 gig SCSI drive under $300, any comments
> > > about it and speakup+linux working TGR?
> > > Pete
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
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> 
> 
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				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Re: smbtar

[Pete]

From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>

> Ah, but if you can boot linux from a floppy, then just use dd (or parted's
> partition copy). It works.
>
  Cool!  I liked the way cfdisk works, don't know about parted yet though.
  Pete