Debian install with Software Speech?

Debian install with Software Speech?

[Zachary Kline]

Hiya,
    I don't have access to a hardware speech synthesizer, and so was wondering what the options are for me to get a Debian install.  I know that Gentoo can run SSHD, and let me do the install manually with another machine, but Deebian doesn't seem to do this.
Does anybody have any advice?
Thanks,
Zack.

Re: Debian install with Software Speech?

[Gregory Nowak]

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If you don't have a hardware synth, and want to install debian, the
only way I'm aware of doing this is to boot up with the grml livecd,
and use debootstrap to install debian from grml. There are
instructions on how to do this on the grml wiki. Note though that in
my humble opinion, you need to be an advanced gnu/linux user to pull
this off, and be prepared for screw-ups. No, I haven't done this
specifically, but did have to install distros via chroot in the past.

Greg



On Sat, May 26, 2007 at 10:52:48PM -0700, Zachary Kline wrote:
> Hiya,
>     I don't have access to a hardware speech synthesizer, and so was wondering what the options are for me to get a Debian install.  I know that Gentoo can run SSHD, and let me do the install manually with another machine, but Deebian doesn't seem to do this.
> Does anybody have any advice?
> Thanks,
> Zack.
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Re: Debian install with Software Speech?

[Zachary Kline]

Hiya,
    I have to wonder if there is anybody around here who has in fact done 
this, and if so what they did exactly?  The steps during grml-debootstrap 
seem simple enough: I'd guess the tough part would be managing software 
speech itself after that.
Any advice?
Thanks,
Zack.

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From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: Debian install with Software Speech?


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> If you don't have a hardware synth, and want to install debian, the
> only way I'm aware of doing this is to boot up with the grml livecd,
> and use debootstrap to install debian from grml. There are
> instructions on how to do this on the grml wiki. Note though that in
> my humble opinion, you need to be an advanced gnu/linux user to pull
> this off, and be prepared for screw-ups. No, I haven't done this
> specifically, but did have to install distros via chroot in the past.
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 26, 2007 at 10:52:48PM -0700, Zachary Kline wrote:
>> Hiya,
>>     I don't have access to a hardware speech synthesizer, and so was 
>> wondering what the options are for me to get a Debian install.  I know 
>> that Gentoo can run SSHD, and let me do the install manually with another 
>> machine, but Deebian doesn't seem to do this.
>> Does anybody have any advice?
>> Thanks,
>> Zack.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: Debian install with Software Speech?

[Jan Buchal]

>>>>> "ZK" == Zachary Kline <Z_kline@hotmail.com> writes:

    ZK> Hiya, I don't have access to a hardware speech synthesizer, and
    ZK> so was wondering what the options are for me to get a Debian
    ZK> install. I know that Gentoo can run SSHD, and let me do the
    ZK> install manually with another machine, but Deebian doesn't seem
    ZK> to do this. Does anybody have any advice?
Hi,

I'm not sure if I good understand but if you need install Debian then
you have several possibilities:

- netinst 

this Debian installation image offer you install with brltty support.
You need only say in prompt on beginning of installation:

install brltty

This image you can find on debian.org

- bootstrap

You can install on Debian another Debian to same or other disk on same
machine or on some mounted FS. The package called debootstrap. See a man
page.

- live CD

You can use some speaking live cd based on Debian and the install with
debootstrap or copy the live CD.

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Re: Debian install with Software Speech?

[John Heim]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Zachary Kline" <Z_kline@hotmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 12:52 AM
Subject: Debian install with Software Speech?


> Hiya,
>    I don't have access to a hardware speech synthesizer, and so was 
> wondering what the options are for me to get a Debian install.  I know 
> that Gentoo can run SSHD, and let me do the install manually with another 
> machine, but Deebian doesn't seem to do this.
> Does anybody have any advice?

I've done a couple of installs via the old serial tty approach. There are 
still a lot of howtos out on the web for this but briefly, what you need to 
do is attach a null modem cable to the serial port on the target machine, 
connect the other end to a machine that already has speech and fire up a 
terminal emulator program on  that machine.  At the boot prompt, type 'linux 
console=ttyS0,9600n8'. There are lots of variations on what you'd type at 
the boot prompt so consult the howtows.

Re: Debian install with Software Speech?

[Zachary Kline]

Hiya,
    The reason I couldn't use a hardware synth is precisely because I don't 
have a serial port on any of my machines.  It's downright annoying, but I 
wish there were support for USB to serial adaptors, or something along those 
lines.  Either that, or preferably USB synths directly.
Thanks much,
Zack.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Heim" <jheim@math.wisc.edu>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 7:42 AM
Subject: Re: Debian install with Software Speech?


>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Zachary Kline" <Z_kline@hotmail.com>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 12:52 AM
> Subject: Debian install with Software Speech?
>
>
>> Hiya,
>>    I don't have access to a hardware speech synthesizer, and so was
>> wondering what the options are for me to get a Debian install.  I know
>> that Gentoo can run SSHD, and let me do the install manually with another
>> machine, but Deebian doesn't seem to do this.
>> Does anybody have any advice?
>
> I've done a couple of installs via the old serial tty approach. There are
> still a lot of howtos out on the web for this but briefly, what you need 
> to
> do is attach a null modem cable to the serial port on the target machine,
> connect the other end to a machine that already has speech and fire up a
> terminal emulator program on  that machine.  At the boot prompt, type 
> 'linux
> console=ttyS0,9600n8'. There are lots of variations on what you'd type at
> the boot prompt so consult the howtows.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: Debian install with Software Speech?

[John Heim]

I've done it. Not with  grml but with the modified knoppix CD on the speakup 
web site. That was probably a year and a half ago. I can't tell you exactly 
what to do because I took so many false turns that I couldn't reproduce my 
own steps.  It took me probably 4 or 5 hours but I got it to work 
eventually. If you know what you're doing you could probably do it in 
considerably less time.

I don't think it matters which live CD you use. I found the instructions I 
used by googling for 'knoppix debootstrap'. I'm sure if you google for 'grml 
debootstrap' you'll find lots of instructions.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Zachary Kline" <Z_kline@hotmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: Debian install with Software Speech?


> Hiya,
>    The reason I couldn't use a hardware synth is precisely because I don't
> have a serial port on any of my machines.  It's downright annoying, but I
> wish there were support for USB to serial adaptors, or something along 
> those
> lines.  Either that, or preferably USB synths directly.
> Thanks much,
> Zack.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Heim" <jheim@math.wisc.edu>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 7:42 AM
> Subject: Re: Debian install with Software Speech?
>
>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Zachary Kline" <Z_kline@hotmail.com>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 12:52 AM
>> Subject: Debian install with Software Speech?
>>
>>
>>> Hiya,
>>>    I don't have access to a hardware speech synthesizer, and so was
>>> wondering what the options are for me to get a Debian install.  I know
>>> that Gentoo can run SSHD, and let me do the install manually with 
>>> another
>>> machine, but Deebian doesn't seem to do this.
>>> Does anybody have any advice?
>>
>> I've done a couple of installs via the old serial tty approach. There are
>> still a lot of howtos out on the web for this but briefly, what you need
>> to
>> do is attach a null modem cable to the serial port on the target machine,
>> connect the other end to a machine that already has speech and fire up a
>> terminal emulator program on  that machine.  At the boot prompt, type
>> 'linux
>> console=ttyS0,9600n8'. There are lots of variations on what you'd type at
>> the boot prompt so consult the howtows.
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>
>
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> 

Re: Debian install with Software Speech?

[Gregory Nowak]

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Also, I doubt the kernel console approach would work with a usb to 232
converter, unless the debian netinst iso loads up the drivers for
those as part of the boot process. Even if it does, the debian
installer is dialog based rather than being command-based.

Greg


On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 08:10:01AM -0700, Zachary Kline wrote:
> Hiya,
>     The reason I couldn't use a hardware synth is precisely because I don't 
> have a serial port on any of my machines.  It's downright annoying, but I 
> wish there were support for USB to serial adaptors, or something along those 
> lines.  Either that, or preferably USB synths directly.
> Thanks much,
> Zack.
> 

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Re: Debian install with Software Speech?

[Kerry Hoath]

There is a command line option to change the frontend; you can set it to 
text; not sure if that one ships by default on netinst; i'll have to check.

Dialog does work over a serial port if the other end is a Linux terminal; 
but a bit slow to redraw screens.
The lack of serial is definitely a problem; perhaps network console is 
another option but still the reliance on modules causes problems.
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Subject: Re: Debian install with Software Speech?


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> Also, I doubt the kernel console approach would work with a usb to 232
> converter, unless the debian netinst iso loads up the drivers for
> those as part of the boot process. Even if it does, the debian
> installer is dialog based rather than being command-based.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 08:10:01AM -0700, Zachary Kline wrote:
>> Hiya,
>>     The reason I couldn't use a hardware synth is precisely because I 
>> don't
>> have a serial port on any of my machines.  It's downright annoying, but I
>> wish there were support for USB to serial adaptors, or something along 
>> those
>> lines.  Either that, or preferably USB synths directly.
>> Thanks much,
>> Zack.
>>
>
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Re: Debian install with Software Speech?

[Gregory Nowak]

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From: "Kerry Hoath" <kerry@gotss.net>

network console is
> another option but still the reliance on modules causes problems.

Yes, that would be an option. However, as far as I can tell, the netinst iso 
doesn't have, and doesn't activate sshd/telnetd.

Greg

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Re: Debian install with Software Speech?

[Brent Harding]

Can't the new Dec Talk USB, I know it's not the same thing as the express, 
work with a serial port as well as USB, if you told it to use the express 
driver? I don't think it helps much if you don't actually have the serial 
port to use.

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To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: Debian install with Software Speech?


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> Also, I doubt the kernel console approach would work with a usb to 232
> converter, unless the debian netinst iso loads up the drivers for
> those as part of the boot process. Even if it does, the debian
> installer is dialog based rather than being command-based.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 08:10:01AM -0700, Zachary Kline wrote:
>> Hiya,
>>     The reason I couldn't use a hardware synth is precisely because I 
>> don't
>> have a serial port on any of my machines.  It's downright annoying, but I
>> wish there were support for USB to serial adaptors, or something along 
>> those
>> lines.  Either that, or preferably USB synths directly.
>> Thanks much,
>> Zack.
>>
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Re: Debian install with Software Speech?

[Gregory Nowak]

I don't own one of these myself, but from past posts to this list, this is 
in fact possible.

Greg


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From: "Brent Harding" <bharding@doorpi.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: Debian install with Software Speech?


> Can't the new Dec Talk USB, I know it's not the same thing as the express,
> work with a serial port as well as USB, if you told it to use the express
> driver? I don't think it helps much if you don't actually have the serial
> port to use.
>

Re: Debian install with Software Speech?

[Alex Snow]

Being dialog-based doesn't cause too many problems, I was able to 
successfuly install debian sarge on an Alpha PWS over serial console.  
Cursor tracking isn't as good as if speakup was running on the machine 
I was installing to, but it was still useable.
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> Also, I doubt the kernel console approach would work with a usb to 232
> converter, unless the debian netinst iso loads up the drivers for
> those as part of the boot process. Even if it does, the debian
> installer is dialog based rather than being command-based.
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 08:10:01AM -0700, Zachary Kline wrote:
> > Hiya,
> >     The reason I couldn't use a hardware synth is precisely because I don't 
> > have a serial port on any of my machines.  It's downright annoying, but I 
> > wish there were support for USB to serial adaptors, or something along those 
> > lines.  Either that, or preferably USB synths directly.
> > Thanks much,
> > Zack.
> > 
> 
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Re: Debian install with Software Speech?

[John Heim]

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Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: Debian install with Software Speech?


> Being dialog-based doesn't cause too many problems, I was able to
> successfuly install debian sarge on an Alpha PWS over serial console.
> Cursor tracking isn't as good as if speakup was running on the machine
> I was installing to, but it was still useable.


Yeah, a few weeks ago I forgot my doubletalk synth at work when I went home 
for the weekend. I had an install that just couldn't wait so i did a serial 
console install. It wasn't easy but it worked. Although, if I wasn't already 
very familiar with the installer, I'm not sure I'd have been able to pull it 
off.

RE: Debian install with Software Speech?

[Deborah Norling]

Dunno if this helps but Brltty is part of the new etch install. If you have
a braille display you can go to the second console with Alt-F2, press ENTER
to activate  the console and type:
	brltty -bauto -d/dev/ttyS1 (for com2:)
Or
	brltty -bauto -d/dev/ttyUSB0 (for the first usb-to-serial converter
the kernel drivers find.)

Yesterday I tried this with Com1 and com2 and then two different
usb-to-serial converters, and it works great.

If you don't have a braille display you can try GRML which is able to use
debootstrap and launch an automated install of etch.

--Debee

RE: Debian install with Software Speech?

[Deborah Norling]

Since you don't have a real serial port you  might not be able to do 
	linux console=/dev/ttyS0
And even if you replace that with
	linux console=/dev/ttyUSB0
It works only if the usb subsystem is installed and agetty is running for
/dev/ttyUSB0 which it probably is not.

Serial console installs are great, when you actually have a real hardware
port using IRQs 3 or 4, port addresses 2F8 or 3F8. 

I'm trying to get a PCMCIA serial port working for a serial install, and it
works fine with brltty but not with redirecting the console, and it won't
work with speakup of course.

--Debee