* Alt-Shift Key Combination Affected @ Steve Holmes ` Kirk Reiser 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Steve Holmes @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup When using the recent CVS versions of Speakup, I notice that I can no longer use alt-shift key combinations such as in emacs anymore. I used to be able to do this to move to the bottom or top of a file (alt-shift-<) and (alt-shift->). With latest versions of Speakup, these are now silent and have no effect. I instead, have to do <esc> followed by shift-< or shift->. I think this came about when different enhancement keys could be combined for single key strokes. It's sure quiet here on the list. -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: Alt-Shift Key Combination Affected Alt-Shift Key Combination Affected Steve Holmes @ ` Kirk Reiser ` Difference between Redhat, Slackware and Mandrake Linux TL Barr ` Alt-Shift Key Combination Affected Steve Holmes 0 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Kirk Reiser @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Actually what is happening is that because we are no longer modifying the kernel map you are being left with the default kernel keymap arrangement which leaves the right altgr alone. We always spoiled people by defining it in speakup. Now that we aren't you have to set it yourself to get your old behaviour back. Here is a snippit you can save to a file and load with loadkeys to get your old behaviour back: # Default kernel keymap. This uses 7 modifier combinations. keymaps 0-2,4-5,8,12 keycode 100 = Alt Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Difference between Redhat, Slackware and Mandrake Linux ` Kirk Reiser @ ` TL Barr ` Buddy Brannan ` Thomas D. Ward ` Alt-Shift Key Combination Affected Steve Holmes 1 sibling, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: TL Barr @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup The answer to this question may be obvious to some, but I have only recently started considering setting up a Linux system. Can anyone tell me if there is any appreciable difference between say Redhat, Slackware and Mandrake as far as making Linux and the installation speak? I intend to run a Speak Out voice synthesizer with the Linux box which currently has Win XP installed. I am considering making the Linux system Linux only, and reformatting and particioning the hard drive, so having Linux speaking through the install would certainly be preferred. Any suggestions or documentation would be appreciated. Best regards, Les ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: Difference between Redhat, Slackware and Mandrake Linux ` Difference between Redhat, Slackware and Mandrake Linux TL Barr @ ` Buddy Brannan ` Thomas D. Ward 1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Buddy Brannan @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Mandrake and Red Hat are very similar--in fact, Mandrake was really just a modified Red Hat optimized for Pentium systems and the KDE desktop. (This was ages ago.) The similarities are still discernible though--Mandrake is still Red Hat based, and I'd wager most of the differences you'd see would be in installation and many of the X-Window things you're not likely to use. Having said that though, you'd have an easier time getting a talking Red Hat than a talking Mandrake, as Red Hat Speakup boot disks are readily available. The differences between Red Hat and Slackware are quite a bit more pronounced. If what you want is more hands-on control and manual configurtion, Slackware is more your speed. Red Hat does a lot automatically and has a lot of configuration scripts and things for you to use. While Slackware has some of this, it's much more designed for manual configuration--configuration files (very well self-documented ones), some interactive scripts, but a lot you're expected to configure the way you want with little being assumed by the OS. You may find that Debian presents an alternative somewhere between these two approaches. While there's certainly lots of room for you do do your own thing with it, the Debian packaging system is very nice, having the ability to take care of dependency problems for you when you install new software. It's worth a look. Regardless, you'll find many users of all three--Debian, Red Hat, and Slackware--here. I've used Slack myself--some time ago--and currently use Debian; I hd a mandrake system for a while (well, it was actually my wife's), but now I've got Debian on her system as well. -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV/3 | "And if the ground yawned, Phone: (814) 455-7333 | I'd step to the side and say, Email: davros@ycardz.com | "Hey ground! I'm nobody's lunch!" http://www.ycardz.com/ | --Eddie From Ohio ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: Difference between Redhat, Slackware and Mandrake Linux ` Difference between Redhat, Slackware and Mandrake Linux TL Barr ` Buddy Brannan @ ` Thomas D. Ward 1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Thomas D. Ward @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi. While I think Mandrake is a great distro it's not the most accessible one, and getting it working with speakup, yasr, or anything is allot of work. So at this point I would cross it off your list of distros to work with. I am not a big fan of Slackware, but it is perhaps about the most accessible distro you will find as far as installation, setup, and getting your feet wet with Linux. However, it's downside is if you like lots of configuration tools which can turn services on and off, configure sound, printer, etc, it may not be the best choice, and it also doesn't use sysv, but is more like BSD. If you don't mind manually setting up everything Slackware might be the better choice, but if you like all sorts of tools that handhold you Red Hat may be better in your case. Red Hat 8.0 does have a talking installer using speakup, but it isn't as easy as slack to install, but once it is on I think it is worth it. Red Hat has all sorts of nice features such as the service command which can start and stop services instantly. It has the chkconfig tool to configure what services you want to load, and what levels specifically you want to run in, and which you don't. Being that Red Hat is perhaps the most popular Linux on the market today you are likely to find just about any package you want compiled for it, and indeed allot of development is done in distros like Red Hat and then ported to compile on others. Red Hat is also on the bleeding edge and is usually first to get a new version of something like gnome, a library, compiler, etc... They release distros often enough so that you can keep up to date with the latest updates, etc.. If you end up working with business running Linux most of them request Red Hat or already have it on their systems, and while a Linux user could work on that box they wouldn't be as experienced in interacting with it as well as they would do if they knew it from using it personally. Anyway, that is my reasons for using RH. However, if accessibility is your number 1 concern then perhaps Slackware at this point is the best. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: Alt-Shift Key Combination Affected ` Kirk Reiser ` Difference between Redhat, Slackware and Mandrake Linux TL Barr @ ` Steve Holmes 1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Steve Holmes @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Ahh but I was doing all this with the left alt and shift keys; does this make a difference? On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 03:47:45PM -0400, Kirk Reiser wrote: > Actually what is happening is that because we are no longer modifying > the kernel map you are being left with the default kernel keymap > arrangement which leaves the right altgr alone. We always spoiled > people by defining it in speakup. Now that we aren't you have to set > it yourself to get your old behaviour back. Here is a snippit you can > save to a file and load with loadkeys to get your old behaviour back: > > # Default kernel keymap. This uses 7 modifier combinations. > keymaps 0-2,4-5,8,12 > keycode 100 = Alt > > Kirk > -- > > Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility > e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario > phone: (519) 661-3061 > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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