a ton of questions

a ton of questions

[Gregory Nowak]

Hello listers,

Even though I've been following everything on the list, because of school
work I didn't have much time to explore linux beyond reading a couple of
books on it. Now that winter break has been here for a while, I got more
time to actually check out how everything that I've learned about so far
works. As a result, I've come up with a bunch of questions that I hope
somebody would be kind enough to take the time to answer. So, here goes.
Does linux support winmodem technology at all? Somehow I've got the sinking
feeling that the answer is no, but I thought I'd ask anyway.
In my c++ programming under windows, I've used 'iostream.h' to handle input
and output streams. However, I've noticed to my surprise that this header
doesn't exist in the gcc 2.7.2.3 include directory. What do I use instead?
I know I'll probably be smerked by some of you for asking this one, but
where can I download a free DOS emulator for linux?
I also remember that a while ago some one on the list mentioned that they
have an Abit be6-ii mother board. How do I install support for the 2 hpt366
controlers into my kernel?
I've also heard that it is possible for speakup to speak in lilo at the boot
prompt. How do I set that up with slackware 7.1?
Are there any screensavers for linux that would turn off the monitor after a
certin amount of noneuse both at the login and shell prompts?
That's all that comes to my mind for now. Thanks for any help at all that
any of you would be able to give me.
Greg Nowak
P.S. Happy new year to everyone.

P.S. One more question,: Does speakup speak under x?

Re: a ton of questions

[Gregory Nowak]

Another question: Assuming that my sound card drivers are installed
correctly and that my sound card works, is there a program that I could use
to play midi files under linux? Thanks.


----- Original Message -----
From: Gregory Nowak <romualt@megsinet.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 1:09 PM
Subject: a ton of questions


> Hello listers,
>
> Even though I've been following everything on the list, because of school
> work I didn't have much time to explore linux beyond reading a couple of
> books on it. Now that winter break has been here for a while, I got more
> time to actually check out how everything that I've learned about so far
> works. As a result, I've come up with a bunch of questions that I hope
> somebody would be kind enough to take the time to answer. So, here goes.
> Does linux support winmodem technology at all? Somehow I've got the
sinking
> feeling that the answer is no, but I thought I'd ask anyway.
> In my c++ programming under windows, I've used 'iostream.h' to handle
input
> and output streams. However, I've noticed to my surprise that this header
> doesn't exist in the gcc 2.7.2.3 include directory. What do I use instead?
> I know I'll probably be smerked by some of you for asking this one, but
> where can I download a free DOS emulator for linux?
> I also remember that a while ago some one on the list mentioned that they
> have an Abit be6-ii mother board. How do I install support for the 2
hpt366
> controlers into my kernel?
> I've also heard that it is possible for speakup to speak in lilo at the
boot
> prompt. How do I set that up with slackware 7.1?
> Are there any screensavers for linux that would turn off the monitor after
a
> certin amount of noneuse both at the login and shell prompts?
> That's all that comes to my mind for now. Thanks for any help at all that
> any of you would be able to give me.
> Greg Nowak
> P.S. Happy new year to everyone.
>
> P.S. One more question,: Does speakup speak under x?
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: a ton of questions

[Matthew Campbell]

Gregory Nowak wrote:

> Does linux support winmodem technology at all? Somehow I've got the sinking
> feeling that the answer is no, but I thought I'd ask anyway.

You can find drivers for some Winmodems at www.linmodems.org.

> In my c++ programming under windows, I've used 'iostream.h' to handle input
> and output streams. However, I've noticed to my surprise that this header
> doesn't exist in the gcc 2.7.2.3 include directory. What do I use instead?

You need to compile C++ programs with g++, not gcc.  Also, you should
install the egcs package and use that.  GCC 2.7.2.3 is old and I can't think
of any reason why you would want to use it.

> I know I'll probably be smerked by some of you for asking this one, but
> where can I download a free DOS emulator for linux?

There's a package called dosemu which is basically a PC emulator capable of
running DOS or some similar operating system.  You can get a free MS-DOS
clone at www.freedos.org.

> I've also heard that it is possible for speakup to speak in lilo at the boot
> prompt. How do I set that up with slackware 7.1?

What kind of synthesizer do you have?  If it's an external synthesizer, to
what serial port is it connected and what is the baud, parity, and number of
data bits?  Speakup itself doesn't support speech at the LILO prompt, but
LILO itself can output its messages to a serial port, so if you have an
external synthesizer you can probably configure LILO to send the output to
the synthesizer.

> Are there any screensavers for linux that would turn off the monitor after a
> certin amount of noneuse both at the login and shell prompts?

If your computer supports Advanced Power Management, then you can
reconfigure the kernel so that it will turn off the screen after a certain
time of inactivity.

> P.S. One more question,: Does speakup speak under x?

No.  There are a few projects underway to provide screen access for the GUI
in Linux, but I haven't seen any usable results yet.

-- 
Matt Campbell <http://www.pobox.com/~mattcampbell/>  ICQ #:  33005941

Re: a ton of questions

[Ryan Mann]

There some drivers listed for some win modems at 
http://www.linmodems.org.  A DOS emulator is available at 
http://www.dosemu.org.




On Sat, 30 Dec 2000, Gregory Nowak wrote:

> Hello listers,
> 
> Even though I've been following everything on the list, because of school
> work I didn't have much time to explore linux beyond reading a couple of
> books on it. Now that winter break has been here for a while, I got more
> time to actually check out how everything that I've learned about so far
> works. As a result, I've come up with a bunch of questions that I hope
> somebody would be kind enough to take the time to answer. So, here goes.
> Does linux support winmodem technology at all? Somehow I've got the sinking
> feeling that the answer is no, but I thought I'd ask anyway.
> In my c++ programming under windows, I've used 'iostream.h' to handle input
> and output streams. However, I've noticed to my surprise that this header
> doesn't exist in the gcc 2.7.2.3 include directory. What do I use instead?
> I know I'll probably be smerked by some of you for asking this one, but
> where can I download a free DOS emulator for linux?
> I also remember that a while ago some one on the list mentioned that they
> have an Abit be6-ii mother board. How do I install support for the 2 hpt366
> controlers into my kernel?
> I've also heard that it is possible for speakup to speak in lilo at the boot
> prompt. How do I set that up with slackware 7.1?
> Are there any screensavers for linux that would turn off the monitor after a
> certin amount of noneuse both at the login and shell prompts?
> That's all that comes to my mind for now. Thanks for any help at all that
> any of you would be able to give me.
> Greg Nowak
> P.S. Happy new year to everyone.
> 
> P.S. One more question,: Does speakup speak under x?
> 
> 
> 
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> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: a ton of questions

[Jacob Schmude]

HI
     I'll answer as many as I can, below your quoted questions.


> Does linux support winmodem technology at all? Somehow I've got the sinking
> feeling that the answer is no, but I thought I'd ask anyway.
     Actually, some winmodems are supported, to varying degrees. I know
some lucent winmodems are supported. However, they are binary only
drivers, and do not work well on later kernels. Meaning they do not work
well on most up-to-date linux distributions.
> In my c++ programming under windows, I've used 'iostream.h' to handle input
> and output streams. However, I've noticed to my surprise that this header
> doesn't exist in the gcc 2.7.2.3 include directory. What do I use instead?
     Yes, iostream.h does exist. You need to have the c++ stuff installed
too. However, if your distro still uses gcc 2.7.2.3 as its primary
compiler, then it's time for an update. Some programs need the
functionality of the egcs 1.1.2 compiler or gcc 2.95.2. In any case, the
line #include <iostream.h> does work fine assuming everything's installed.
I read later that you will use slackware 7.1, gcc is not it's primary
compiler. It has the egcs compilers in the development series, and these
should be installed. The gcc 2.7.2 provided with slackware is C only. With
egcs installed, the iostream.h files and any other c++ related headers are
in /usr/include/g++-2.
> I know I'll probably be smerked by some of you for asking this one, but
> where can I download a free DOS emulator for linux?
http://www.dosemu.org. I've used this and it actually seems to work rather
well, I've successfully run wordperfect for dos 6.0 in it. Be aware,
though, that speakup takes your synth over, so your dos screen reader will
not work. I've heard reports that without speakup, external synthesizers
work with dos screen readers, but I've got an internal synth so I cannot
verify this. It's a little slow, but it works depending on what you need
to do with it.
> I've also heard that it is possible for speakup to speak in lilo at the boot
> prompt. How do I set that up with slackware 7.1?
Speakup does not do this. Lilo has the ability to output to a serial port,
but that only works with external synths.
> That's all that comes to my mind for now. Thanks for any help at all that
> any of you would be able to give me.

Re: a ton of questions

[Matthew Campbell]

Yes, there is an excellent MIDI player for Linux called TiMidity++.  It
plays MIDI files through your sound card's wave output system using its own
instruments, so it often sounds better than the MIDI synthesizer built intoa
typical sound card.  The Web site for this program is at:

http://www.goice.co.jp/member/mo/timidity/

Gregory Nowak wrote:

> Another question: Assuming that my sound card drivers are installed
> correctly and that my sound card works, is there a program that I could use
> to play midi files under linux? Thanks.

-- 
Matt Campbell <http://www.pobox.com/~mattcampbell/>  ICQ #:  33005941

Re: a ton of questions

[Jacob Schmude]

On Sat, 30 Dec 2000, Gregory Nowak wrote:

> Another question: Assuming that my sound card drivers are installed
> correctly and that my sound card works, is there a program that I could use
> to play midi files under linux? Thanks.
Depends on your sound card. There also software midi synthesizers, that
can give you midi on cards that don't support it.

Re: a ton of questions

[Gregory Nowak]

Hi Matt,

Thanks for all your answers. My synth is a doubletalk pc set to the default
base adress of 29E.
Greg Nowak


----- Original Message -----
From: Matthew Campbell <mattcampbell@pobox.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: a ton of questions


> Gregory Nowak wrote:
>
> > Does linux support winmodem technology at all? Somehow I've got the
sinking
> > feeling that the answer is no, but I thought I'd ask anyway.
>
> You can find drivers for some Winmodems at www.linmodems.org.
>
> > In my c++ programming under windows, I've used 'iostream.h' to handle
input
> > and output streams. However, I've noticed to my surprise that this
header
> > doesn't exist in the gcc 2.7.2.3 include directory. What do I use
instead?
>
> You need to compile C++ programs with g++, not gcc.  Also, you should
> install the egcs package and use that.  GCC 2.7.2.3 is old and I can't
think
> of any reason why you would want to use it.
>
> > I know I'll probably be smerked by some of you for asking this one, but
> > where can I download a free DOS emulator for linux?
>
> There's a package called dosemu which is basically a PC emulator capable
of
> running DOS or some similar operating system.  You can get a free MS-DOS
> clone at www.freedos.org.
>
> > I've also heard that it is possible for speakup to speak in lilo at the
boot
> > prompt. How do I set that up with slackware 7.1?
>
> What kind of synthesizer do you have?  If it's an external synthesizer, to
> what serial port is it connected and what is the baud, parity, and number
of
> data bits?  Speakup itself doesn't support speech at the LILO prompt, but
> LILO itself can output its messages to a serial port, so if you have an
> external synthesizer you can probably configure LILO to send the output to
> the synthesizer.
>
> > Are there any screensavers for linux that would turn off the monitor
after a
> > certin amount of noneuse both at the login and shell prompts?
>
> If your computer supports Advanced Power Management, then you can
> reconfigure the kernel so that it will turn off the screen after a certain
> time of inactivity.
>
> > P.S. One more question,: Does speakup speak under x?
>
> No.  There are a few projects underway to provide screen access for the
GUI
> in Linux, but I haven't seen any usable results yet.
>
> --
> Matt Campbell <http://www.pobox.com/~mattcampbell/>  ICQ #:  33005941
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: a ton of questions

[Gregory Nowak]

My sound card is a Soundblaster Live Value. Thanks for your help.
Greg Nowak


----- Original Message -----
From: Jacob Schmude <jacobs@ncinter.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: a ton of questions


>
>
> On Sat, 30 Dec 2000, Gregory Nowak wrote:
>
> > Another question: Assuming that my sound card drivers are installed
> > correctly and that my sound card works, is there a program that I could
use
> > to play midi files under linux? Thanks.
> Depends on your sound card. There also software midi synthesizers, that
> can give you midi on cards that don't support it.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: a ton of questions

[Kirk Wood]

Well I will break the questions up some here:

1.  Is winmodem technology supported in any way?
	Actually, the answer is yes.As a starting point check out:
	www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Linmodem-HOWTO.html

2.  The iostream.h header file nad it substitute.
	Sorry can't help you on that one.

3.  Where can you get a dos emulator?
	Most distributions include dosemu. This is not really an emulator
	though. In reality it will either use a DOS partition, or file
	setup to act like a dos partition. It then actually boots DOS
	in a virtual machine. Check out the howto pages for more info.

4.  How do you install the support for the 2 hpt366 controllers?
	Can't help. But waht are they anyway? That might help with an
	answer.

5.  Is it possible/how is it possible to make lilo speak?
	If you have an external synth, it is possible to redirect lilo's
	output to the appropriate com port. Otherwise you are out of
	luck. Can't say how that is done though.

6.  Are there any screen savers that will turn your monitor off while at
the prompt and the login screen?
	Actually, the behavior will be the same here. By default with no
	interferance your screen will go blank after some amount of 
	inactivity. Outside of knowing that this can be changed, I don't
	know how to control the time. Pressing any key will bring it back.
	I have never had it actually turn off my monitor. I don't know if
	that can be done or how. I just have not made it a priority.

7. (bonus question) How can you play midi files?
	A search of Freshmeat.net turned up this promising program: midi.
	It will play midi files on OSS supported sound cards. Since the
	ALSA project includes OSS you should be set.

As a general note, the two sites I find invaluable are freshmeat.net and
linuxdoc.org. The first has every imaginable software available. If you
can't find it there, it probably is not far from the drawing table. The
second site has all the answers.

=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net

Cluelessness
	There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of 
	inquisitive idiots

Re: a ton of questions

[Jacob Schmude]

Hi
     You need the software player. Hardware midi isn't supported well
on this card yet, and the software synthesizer sounds better than that
skimpy midi synth built in the SB Live anyway. Timidity is an excellent
software midi player, though it can take a bit of effort to get it
working. it's at:
http://www.goice.co.jp/member/mo/timidity/


On Sat, 30 Dec 2000, Gregory Nowak wrote:

> My sound card is a Soundblaster Live Value. Thanks for your help.

Re: a ton of questions

[Kirk Wood]

Greg,

The SoundBlaster Live is supported by alsa drivers. Use the emu10k1
module with it.

I would recomend that you take the plunge. Setup at least a dual boot
situation and get your feet wet. You will learn much more with the system
taht way then you can ever get from just reading.

=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net

Cluelessness
	There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of 
	inquisitive idiots

Re: a ton of questions

[Gregory Nowak]

The hpt366 controlers are especially designed to support ata166 capible hard
drives.


----- Original Message -----
From: Kirk Wood <cpt.kirk@1tree.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: a ton of questions


> Well I will break the questions up some here:
>
> 1.  Is winmodem technology supported in any way?
> Actually, the answer is yes.As a starting point check out:
> www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Linmodem-HOWTO.html
>
> 2.  The iostream.h header file nad it substitute.
> Sorry can't help you on that one.
>
> 3.  Where can you get a dos emulator?
> Most distributions include dosemu. This is not really an emulator
> though. In reality it will either use a DOS partition, or file
> setup to act like a dos partition. It then actually boots DOS
> in a virtual machine. Check out the howto pages for more info.
>
> 4.  How do you install the support for the 2 hpt366 controllers?
> Can't help. But waht are they anyway? That might help with an
> answer.
>
> 5.  Is it possible/how is it possible to make lilo speak?
> If you have an external synth, it is possible to redirect lilo's
> output to the appropriate com port. Otherwise you are out of
> luck. Can't say how that is done though.
>
> 6.  Are there any screen savers that will turn your monitor off while at
> the prompt and the login screen?
> Actually, the behavior will be the same here. By default with no
> interferance your screen will go blank after some amount of
> inactivity. Outside of knowing that this can be changed, I don't
> know how to control the time. Pressing any key will bring it back.
> I have never had it actually turn off my monitor. I don't know if
> that can be done or how. I just have not made it a priority.
>
> 7. (bonus question) How can you play midi files?
> A search of Freshmeat.net turned up this promising program: midi.
> It will play midi files on OSS supported sound cards. Since the
> ALSA project includes OSS you should be set.
>
> As a general note, the two sites I find invaluable are freshmeat.net and
> linuxdoc.org. The first has every imaginable software available. If you
> can't find it there, it probably is not far from the drawing table. The
> second site has all the answers.
>
> =======
> Kirk Wood
> Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
>
> Cluelessness
> There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of
> inquisitive idiots
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: a ton of questions

[Kirk Wood]

ATA 66 is supported by the linux kernel directly.

=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net

Cluelessness
	There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of 
	inquisitive idiots

Re: a ton of questions

[Gregory Nowak]

That's strange. My second hd which is attached to one of theese controlers
isn't showing up under linux. It is installed correctly and functioning,
because I can use it without a problem under DOS mode and windows.


----- Original Message -----
From: Kirk Wood <cpt.kirk@1tree.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: a ton of questions


> ATA 66 is supported by the linux kernel directly.
>
> =======
> Kirk Wood
> Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
>
> Cluelessness
> There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of
> inquisitive idiots
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: a ton of questions

[Kirk Wood]

Greg,

Linux is a beast of a different color then DOS/WINDOWS. First, there are
no drive letters here. You mount different partitions over a
directory. Then you do so, the directory will then show the contents of
the partition. The mount point (or directory) need not be empty, though if
you mount a partition on top of a directory the original contents won't be
visable. (Hope this doesn't confuse you too much.)

Also, the drives appear a bit differently in linux. (Actually NT does make
some use of the naming scheme.) The partitions are listed in a logical
order. The master drive on the main IDE channel is hda, the slave is
hdb. Then the next chanell on the IDE has hdc and hdd. As a note if you
have two drives both as master they will be hda and hdc. The first
partition on the drive is 1. The next is most likely 5.

I will give you some instructions taking some information for granted. I
am assuming that the second drive you refer to is the master on the second
ISE chain and is setup with a single fat32 partition. (Yes, I know
assumptions are dangerous.) Run the command "mount" and note what
partitions are currently mounted and where. Then make a directory where
you will mount the drive. (This is done with the "mkdir" command.) Now
type the following line:
mount -t vfat /dev/hdc1 /myseconddrive

Note that the "/myseconddrive" is the directory you want this
drive/partition to be mounted on. You probably need to do this as root. To
cause this to automatically happen when you boot to Linux, you need to
modify the /etc/fstab file. Also in case you are not familiar in
Linux/Unix we use forward slashes for our directories. It is possible to
deal with a space in the file names. To do so you must proceed the space
with a backslash. Another (perhaps easier) way is to only list enough of
the name to distinguish it then append the *. Here you can run the
command:
cd /home/bob*

It will change to the first directory under home that starts with bob.

=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net

Cluelessness
	There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of 
	inquisitive idiots

Re: a ton of questions

[Gregory Nowak]

Hi Kirk,

Thanks for the crash course. I'mfamilar with how drives and partitions work
under unix. The drive in question is not being recognized by linux. I've
confirmed that beyond a doubt. This board has 4 ide channels which can
support upto 2 drives each. The first 2 are regular ide, and linux sees
drives on them fine. The other 2 (the contolers) are not totally regular
ide. I'm not sure how to exactly explain what they are, but they're not
regular ide channels like the standard ones in modern systems. Perhaps the
person that once mentioned having the same mother board as mine will respond
to my earlier post and clear up the mystery. Again, thanks for your help.


----- Original Message -----
From: Kirk Wood <cpt.kirk@1tree.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: a ton of questions


> Greg,
>
> Linux is a beast of a different color then DOS/WINDOWS. First, there are
> no drive letters here. You mount different partitions over a
> directory. Then you do so, the directory will then show the contents of
> the partition. The mount point (or directory) need not be empty, though if
> you mount a partition on top of a directory the original contents won't be
> visable. (Hope this doesn't confuse you too much.)
>
> Also, the drives appear a bit differently in linux. (Actually NT does make
> some use of the naming scheme.) The partitions are listed in a logical
> order. The master drive on the main IDE channel is hda, the slave is
> hdb. Then the next chanell on the IDE has hdc and hdd. As a note if you
> have two drives both as master they will be hda and hdc. The first
> partition on the drive is 1. The next is most likely 5.
>
> I will give you some instructions taking some information for granted. I
> am assuming that the second drive you refer to is the master on the second
> ISE chain and is setup with a single fat32 partition. (Yes, I know
> assumptions are dangerous.) Run the command "mount" and note what
> partitions are currently mounted and where. Then make a directory where
> you will mount the drive. (This is done with the "mkdir" command.) Now
> type the following line:
> mount -t vfat /dev/hdc1 /myseconddrive
>
> Note that the "/myseconddrive" is the directory you want this
> drive/partition to be mounted on. You probably need to do this as root. To
> cause this to automatically happen when you boot to Linux, you need to
> modify the /etc/fstab file. Also in case you are not familiar in
> Linux/Unix we use forward slashes for our directories. It is possible to
> deal with a space in the file names. To do so you must proceed the space
> with a backslash. Another (perhaps easier) way is to only list enough of
> the name to distinguish it then append the *. Here you can run the
> command:
> cd /home/bob*
>
> It will change to the first directory under home that starts with bob.
>
> =======
> Kirk Wood
> Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
>
> Cluelessness
> There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of
> inquisitive idiots
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: a ton of questions

[Thomas Ward]

Hi, Gregory. If you are truely interrested in having a multiple Operating
System machine you may want to concidder something called the Trio drive
selecter. I found it the best thing to use when programming under multiple
Operating Systems.
What this Trio does is hook up to your primary hard drive controler and you
can install up to three hard drives to the Trio Selecter.
I am a college student like you learning programming, and how my system is
setup I can press a button on the Trio for Drive A, and my system will load
drive A with  Windows Millennium and I can do work with Visual C++ Visual
Basic, and so on. When I push B on the Trio the selecter switches to the
second drive in my computer, and boots directly into Red Hat 7.0.
Then, you stillhave an option for a third drive which can be used as a beta
drive to test applications you built, or have other distros of Linux, or so
on.
While lilo can manage multiple operating systems it has its draw backs. For
example if you reinstall Windows it will over write the mbr, and having
several operating systems eats away at drive space. Now hard drives are
really cheap, and you can have 10 and 15 gig drives for less than $100.00
depending on where you look.

Re: a ton of questions

[Kirk Wood]

Gregory,

Try running this as an experiment:
fdisk /dev/hdc
The ideal is that you recieve a message "Command (m for help):" If you get
this, then you are able to speak to the drive. This has been the defining
method for me though there may be other/better ways. If you get this far
you can enter "p" and it will list the partitions it sees.

I would say to keep in mind there could be many other reasons beside
hardware for your not being able to "see" the drive. In fact, that is the
last guess. The ATA66 specification and all others SHOULD fall back to the
older specifications when need be. In fact, when you first boot in Windows
it is using the bios to read the drive. If you can boot to DOS mode and
see your drive it is very unlikely that the hardware is the problem. More
likely is that somewhere you have software translation on the drive.

=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net

Cluelessness
	There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of 
	inquisitive idiots

Re: a ton of questions

[Gregory Nowak]

Kirk,

I did the following. I ran fdisk with /dev/hda, which is my boot drive, and
got what you said I should get. Then, I loaded a zipdisk into hdb, and ran
fdisk on it with the same result. Then I loaded a CD into hdc which is my
cd-rom drive, and got the same thing with the message that I couldn't
rewrite partitions on this drive which is what I was expecting. Then I
loaded a CD into hdd, my cd-writer, and got the same messages as with hdc.
This only leaves hde, which linux isn't seeing. I ran fdisk /dev/hde, and it
said it couldn't open the drive which I was expecting.

----- Original Message -----
From: Kirk Wood <cpt.kirk@1tree.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: a ton of questions


> Gregory,
>
> Try running this as an experiment:
> fdisk /dev/hdc
> The ideal is that you recieve a message "Command (m for help):" If you get
> this, then you are able to speak to the drive. This has been the defining
> method for me though there may be other/better ways. If you get this far
> you can enter "p" and it will list the partitions it sees.
>
> I would say to keep in mind there could be many other reasons beside
> hardware for your not being able to "see" the drive. In fact, that is the
> last guess. The ATA66 specification and all others SHOULD fall back to the
> older specifications when need be. In fact, when you first boot in Windows
> it is using the bios to read the drive. If you can boot to DOS mode and
> see your drive it is very unlikely that the hardware is the problem. More
> likely is that somewhere you have software translation on the drive.
>
> =======
> Kirk Wood
> Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
>
> Cluelessness
> There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of
> inquisitive idiots
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: a ton of questions

[Kirk Wood]

So I am guessing that you have some drives on a third IDE
chain/controller? There may be some trick to getting that recognized. I
will have to look into it.

=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net

Cluelessness
	There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of 
	inquisitive idiots

Re: a ton of questions

[Geoff Shang]

Hi:

Is this other drive an IDE drive, or something else?  Unless you have extra
IDE controllers, you won't find it under /dev/hde, and if you do have one,
it might be something like /dev/hdf if you have slave for that as well.  If
it's SCSI then it'll be /dev/sda or something like that.

Is your drive mentioned in dmesg?

Geoff.


-- 
Geoff Shang <gshang10@scu.edu.au>
ICQ number 43634701

Re: a ton of questions

[Geoff Shang]

On Sat, 30 Dec 2000, Kirk Wood wrote:

> cd /home/bob*
> 
> It will change to the first directory under home that starts with bob.

Much better and more predictable to use tab completion to do this.

cd /home/bob<TAB>

Will either complete the name for you or beep.  If you hit it a second
time, it will display all matching options (confirming if there's lots of
them), or beep again, meaning that there are no matches.  It will
automatically deal with things like escaping spaces and so forth.  I love
this feature.  This works in the shell, in programs that use libreadline (I
think), and some others like pine *if* you enable it.

Geoff.


-- 
Geoff Shang <gshang10@scu.edu.au>
ICQ number 43634701

Re: a ton of questions

[Gregory Nowak]

The drive is an IDE drive. It's a Fujitsu Mpf3204At. It's the only drive
(master without a slave) on that channel. What's dmesg.
Greg


----- Original Message -----
From: Geoff Shang <gshang10@scu.edu.au>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 1:02 AM
Subject: Re: a ton of questions


> Hi:
>
> Is this other drive an IDE drive, or something else?  Unless you have
extra
> IDE controllers, you won't find it under /dev/hde, and if you do have one,
> it might be something like /dev/hdf if you have slave for that as well.
If
> it's SCSI then it'll be /dev/sda or something like that.
>
> Is your drive mentioned in dmesg?
>
> Geoff.
>
>
> --
> Geoff Shang <gshang10@scu.edu.au>
> ICQ number 43634701
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: a ton of questions

[Geoff Shang]

Hi:

Dmesg is a command that shows you all the boot messages.  It's much easier
to read them leasurely rather than trying to comprehend them as they go
by.  You can for example type something like:

dmesg |more

And study the results.

I don't know how it's achieved, but my system at least prints up all
located drives in my system as it goes through boot-up, regardless of
whether it goes on to mount them or not, so you might find it in there
somewhere.

Geoff.


-- 
Geoff Shang <gshang10@scu.edu.au>
ICQ number 43634701

Re: a ton of questions

[Terry D. Cudney]

Hi,

	Simpler, just type:

	dmesg >/folder/filename


You wrote:

-=> dmesg is a command that allows you to resee the Kernel output.
-=> What I typically do is first run the script command to make a file by typing
-=> script /folder/filename.txt
-=> Then I enter the:
-=> dmesg
-=> command. I would suggest silencing speakup at this point because it will
-=> chatter on for quite a while.
-=> Then, type
-=> exit
-=> All the Kernel output is then dumped into a file named
-=> /folder/filename.txt
-=> or whatever you named the folder, and file.
-=>
-=>
-=> ----- Original Message -----
-=> From: Gregory Nowak <romualt@megsinet.net>
-=> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
-=> Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 10:29 PM
-=> Subject: Re: a ton of questions
-=>
-=>
-=> > The drive is an IDE drive. It's a Fujitsu Mpf3204At. It's the only drive
-=> > (master without a slave) on that channel. What's dmesg.
-=> > Greg
-=> >
-=> >
-=> > ----- Original Message -----
-=> > From: Geoff Shang <gshang10@scu.edu.au>
-=> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
-=> > Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 1:02 AM
-=> > Subject: Re: a ton of questions
-=> >
-=> >
-=> > > Hi:
-=> > >
-=> > > Is this other drive an IDE drive, or something else?  Unless you have
-=> > extra
-=> > > IDE controllers, you won't find it under /dev/hde, and if you do have
-=> one,
-=> > > it might be something like /dev/hdf if you have slave for that as well.
-=> > If
-=> > > it's SCSI then it'll be /dev/sda or something like that.
-=> > >
-=> > > Is your drive mentioned in dmesg?
-=> > >
-=> > > Geoff.
-=> > >
-=> > >
-=> > > --
-=> > > Geoff Shang <gshang10@scu.edu.au>
-=> > > ICQ number 43634701
-=> > >
-=> > >
-=> > > _______________________________________________
-=> > > Speakup mailing list
-=> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
-=> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
-=> > >
-=> >
-=> >
-=> > _______________________________________________
-=> > Speakup mailing list
-=> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
-=> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
-=> >
-=>
-=>
-=> _______________________________________________
-=> Speakup mailing list
-=> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
-=> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
-=>

		--terry

Name:	Terry D. Cudney
Phone:	(905)735-6127
E-mail:	terry@wasagacottage.com
WWW:	www.wasagacottage.com



Q:	How many members of the U.S.S. Enterprise does it take to change a
	light bulb?
A:	Seven.  Scotty has to report to Captain Kirk that the light bulb in
	the Engineering Section is getting dim, at which point Kirk will send
	Bones to pronounce the bulb dead (although he'll immediately claim
	that he's a doctor, not an electrician).  Scotty, after checking
	around, realizes that they have no more new light bulbs, and complains
	that he "canna" see in the dark.  Kirk will make an emergency stop at
	the next uncharted planet, Alpha Regula IV, to procure a light bulb
	from the natives, who, are friendly, but seem to be hiding something.
	Kirk, Spock, Bones, Yeoman Rand and two red shirt security officers
	beam down to the planet, where the two security officers are promply
	killed by the natives, and the rest of the landing party is captured.
	As something begins to develop between the Captain and Yeoman Rand,
	Scotty, back in orbit, is attacked by a Klingon destroyer and must
	warp out of orbit.  Although badly outgunned, he cripples the Klingon
	and races back to the planet in order to rescue Kirk et. al. who have
	just saved the natives' from an awful fate and, as a reward, been
	given all lightbulbs they can carry.  The new bulb is then inserted
	and the Enterprise continues on its five year mission.

Re: a ton of questions

[Thomas Ward]

dmesg is a command that allows you to resee the Kernel output.
What I typically do is first run the script command to make a file by typing
script /folder/filename.txt
Then I enter the:
dmesg
command. I would suggest silencing speakup at this point because it will
chatter on for quite a while.
Then, type
exit
All the Kernel output is then dumped into a file named
/folder/filename.txt
or whatever you named the folder, and file.


----- Original Message -----
From: Gregory Nowak <romualt@megsinet.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: a ton of questions


> The drive is an IDE drive. It's a Fujitsu Mpf3204At. It's the only drive
> (master without a slave) on that channel. What's dmesg.
> Greg
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Geoff Shang <gshang10@scu.edu.au>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 1:02 AM
> Subject: Re: a ton of questions
>
>
> > Hi:
> >
> > Is this other drive an IDE drive, or something else?  Unless you have
> extra
> > IDE controllers, you won't find it under /dev/hde, and if you do have
one,
> > it might be something like /dev/hdf if you have slave for that as well.
> If
> > it's SCSI then it'll be /dev/sda or something like that.
> >
> > Is your drive mentioned in dmesg?
> >
> > Geoff.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Geoff Shang <gshang10@scu.edu.au>
> > ICQ number 43634701
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: a ton of questions

[Victor Tsaran]

I seem to have had similar problem some time earlier. DOS and Windows seem
to recognise drives somewhat differently that Linux. You really need to open
your computer and make sure that the jumpers on drives reflect the
intention, for example, the master on IDE0 is actually set to master and not
to auto. But, you will probably need some sighted assistance with that.
Best,
Vic

******* ******* *******
have you thought of visiting Cybertsar's Internet Kingdom? It is still
alive!
Here is the URL:
http://go.to/vtsaran
or
http://kickme.to/vtsaran

******* ******* *******
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregory Nowak" <romualt@megsinet.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: a ton of questions


> That's strange. My second hd which is attached to one of theese controlers
> isn't showing up under linux. It is installed correctly and functioning,
> because I can use it without a problem under DOS mode and windows.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kirk Wood <cpt.kirk@1tree.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 4:54 PM
> Subject: Re: a ton of questions
>
>
> > ATA 66 is supported by the linux kernel directly.
> >
> > =======
> > Kirk Wood
> > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> >
> > Cluelessness
> > There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of
> > inquisitive idiots
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: a ton of questions

[Victor Tsaran]

Well, is there any way you check the manual for your board and letting us
know what exactly those IDE3 and 4 actually are? You say, they are kinda IDE
and kinda not, but they must be something!
Vic

******* ******* *******
have you thought of visiting Cybertsar's Internet Kingdom? It is still
alive!
Here is the URL:
http://go.to/vtsaran
or
http://kickme.to/vtsaran

******* ******* *******
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregory Nowak" <romualt@megsinet.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: a ton of questions


> Hi Kirk,
>
> Thanks for the crash course. I'mfamilar with how drives and partitions
work
> under unix. The drive in question is not being recognized by linux. I've
> confirmed that beyond a doubt. This board has 4 ide channels which can
> support upto 2 drives each. The first 2 are regular ide, and linux sees
> drives on them fine. The other 2 (the contolers) are not totally regular
> ide. I'm not sure how to exactly explain what they are, but they're not
> regular ide channels like the standard ones in modern systems. Perhaps the
> person that once mentioned having the same mother board as mine will
respond
> to my earlier post and clear up the mystery. Again, thanks for your help.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kirk Wood <cpt.kirk@1tree.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 9:19 PM
> Subject: Re: a ton of questions
>
>
> > Greg,
> >
> > Linux is a beast of a different color then DOS/WINDOWS. First, there are
> > no drive letters here. You mount different partitions over a
> > directory. Then you do so, the directory will then show the contents of
> > the partition. The mount point (or directory) need not be empty, though
if
> > you mount a partition on top of a directory the original contents won't
be
> > visable. (Hope this doesn't confuse you too much.)
> >
> > Also, the drives appear a bit differently in linux. (Actually NT does
make
> > some use of the naming scheme.) The partitions are listed in a logical
> > order. The master drive on the main IDE channel is hda, the slave is
> > hdb. Then the next chanell on the IDE has hdc and hdd. As a note if you
> > have two drives both as master they will be hda and hdc. The first
> > partition on the drive is 1. The next is most likely 5.
> >
> > I will give you some instructions taking some information for granted. I
> > am assuming that the second drive you refer to is the master on the
second
> > ISE chain and is setup with a single fat32 partition. (Yes, I know
> > assumptions are dangerous.) Run the command "mount" and note what
> > partitions are currently mounted and where. Then make a directory where
> > you will mount the drive. (This is done with the "mkdir" command.) Now
> > type the following line:
> > mount -t vfat /dev/hdc1 /myseconddrive
> >
> > Note that the "/myseconddrive" is the directory you want this
> > drive/partition to be mounted on. You probably need to do this as root.
To
> > cause this to automatically happen when you boot to Linux, you need to
> > modify the /etc/fstab file. Also in case you are not familiar in
> > Linux/Unix we use forward slashes for our directories. It is possible to
> > deal with a space in the file names. To do so you must proceed the space
> > with a backslash. Another (perhaps easier) way is to only list enough of
> > the name to distinguish it then append the *. Here you can run the
> > command:
> > cd /home/bob*
> >
> > It will change to the first directory under home that starts with bob.
> >
> > =======
> > Kirk Wood
> > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> >
> > Cluelessness
> > There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of
> > inquisitive idiots
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: a ton of questions

[Gregory Nowak]

I could e-mail the pdf file to anyone that is willing to take a look at it.
The authors of the manual didn't spend more then a sentence or 2 on the
controlers.
Greg Nowak


----- Original Message -----
From: Victor Tsaran <vtsaran@nimbus.ocis.temple.edu>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: a ton of questions


> Well, is there any way you check the manual for your board and letting us
> know what exactly those IDE3 and 4 actually are? You say, they are kinda
IDE
> and kinda not, but they must be something!
> Vic
>
> ******* ******* *******
> have you thought of visiting Cybertsar's Internet Kingdom? It is still
> alive!
> Here is the URL:
> http://go.to/vtsaran
> or
> http://kickme.to/vtsaran
>
> ******* ******* *******
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gregory Nowak" <romualt@megsinet.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 11:11 PM
> Subject: Re: a ton of questions
>
>
> > Hi Kirk,
> >
> > Thanks for the crash course. I'mfamilar with how drives and partitions
> work
> > under unix. The drive in question is not being recognized by linux. I've
> > confirmed that beyond a doubt. This board has 4 ide channels which can
> > support upto 2 drives each. The first 2 are regular ide, and linux sees
> > drives on them fine. The other 2 (the contolers) are not totally regular
> > ide. I'm not sure how to exactly explain what they are, but they're not
> > regular ide channels like the standard ones in modern systems. Perhaps
the
> > person that once mentioned having the same mother board as mine will
> respond
> > to my earlier post and clear up the mystery. Again, thanks for your
help.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Kirk Wood <cpt.kirk@1tree.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 9:19 PM
> > Subject: Re: a ton of questions
> >
> >
> > > Greg,
> > >
> > > Linux is a beast of a different color then DOS/WINDOWS. First, there
are
> > > no drive letters here. You mount different partitions over a
> > > directory. Then you do so, the directory will then show the contents
of
> > > the partition. The mount point (or directory) need not be empty,
though
> if
> > > you mount a partition on top of a directory the original contents
won't
> be
> > > visable. (Hope this doesn't confuse you too much.)
> > >
> > > Also, the drives appear a bit differently in linux. (Actually NT does
> make
> > > some use of the naming scheme.) The partitions are listed in a logical
> > > order. The master drive on the main IDE channel is hda, the slave is
> > > hdb. Then the next chanell on the IDE has hdc and hdd. As a note if
you
> > > have two drives both as master they will be hda and hdc. The first
> > > partition on the drive is 1. The next is most likely 5.
> > >
> > > I will give you some instructions taking some information for granted.
I
> > > am assuming that the second drive you refer to is the master on the
> second
> > > ISE chain and is setup with a single fat32 partition. (Yes, I know
> > > assumptions are dangerous.) Run the command "mount" and note what
> > > partitions are currently mounted and where. Then make a directory
where
> > > you will mount the drive. (This is done with the "mkdir" command.) Now
> > > type the following line:
> > > mount -t vfat /dev/hdc1 /myseconddrive
> > >
> > > Note that the "/myseconddrive" is the directory you want this
> > > drive/partition to be mounted on. You probably need to do this as
root.
> To
> > > cause this to automatically happen when you boot to Linux, you need to
> > > modify the /etc/fstab file. Also in case you are not familiar in
> > > Linux/Unix we use forward slashes for our directories. It is possible
to
> > > deal with a space in the file names. To do so you must proceed the
space
> > > with a backslash. Another (perhaps easier) way is to only list enough
of
> > > the name to distinguish it then append the *. Here you can run the
> > > command:
> > > cd /home/bob*
> > >
> > > It will change to the first directory under home that starts with bob.
> > >
> > > =======
> > > Kirk Wood
> > > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> > >
> > > Cluelessness
> > > There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of
> > > inquisitive idiots
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: a ton of questions

[Gregory Nowak]

I'm running slackware 7.1 with a 2.2.16 kernel until I get arround to
upgrading to 2.2.18 and speakup 0.10. In the meanwhile, where do I get the
IDE patch, and how do I install it.
Thanks for your help.
Greg Nowak


----- Original Message -----
From: John Covici <covici@ccs.covici.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: a ton of questions


> Probably to recognize your driver with a 2.2 kernel you have to use
> the ide patch which recognizes many more cards than the regular
> kernel.  Also, if using DEbian you can use the ultra ata boot disk and
> that may work out of the box.  I am not a slackware expert,so I don't
> have a clue about that distribution.
>
>
> --
>          John Covici
>          covici@ccs.covici.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: a ton of questions

[John Covici]

Probably to recognize your driver with a 2.2 kernel you have to use
the ide patch which recognizes many more cards than the regular
kernel.  Also, if using DEbian you can use the ultra ata boot disk and
that may work out of the box.  I am not a slackware expert,so I don't
have a clue about that distribution.


-- 
         John Covici
         covici@ccs.covici.com

Re: a ton of questions

[Thomas Ward]

Hi, Dana. I am carbon copying my reply to the list so that others can choose
to look at it if they choose.
I got mine from:
http://www.tigerdirect.com
Go to the search field and enter Trios, activate the search button, and it
should bring up the Romtec Trios drive selecter right away. It just did for
me.
You will find that many prices they have on computer parts is much better
than you find at Best Buy, Comp USA, and other local computer shops.




----- Original Message -----
From: Dana <dana@randomc.com>
To: Thomas Ward <tward@bright.net>
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 5:05 AM
Subject: Re: a ton of questions


> Hi there, I saw your post on the list, and was wondering where I can get
> one of those.
>
> On Sat, 30 Dec 2000, Thomas Ward wrote:
>
> > Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 23:59:01 -0500
> > From: Thomas Ward <tward@bright.net>
> > Reply-To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > Subject: Re: a ton of questions
> >
> > Hi, Gregory. If you are truely interrested in having a multiple
Operating
> > System machine you may want to concidder something called the Trio drive
> > selecter. I found it the best thing to use when programming under
multiple
> > Operating Systems.
> > What this Trio does is hook up to your primary hard drive controler and
you
> > can install up to three hard drives to the Trio Selecter.
> > I am a college student like you learning programming, and how my system
is
> > setup I can press a button on the Trio for Drive A, and my system will
load
> > drive A with  Windows Millennium and I can do work with Visual C++
Visual
> > Basic, and so on. When I push B on the Trio the selecter switches to the
> > second drive in my computer, and boots directly into Red Hat 7.0.
> > Then, you stillhave an option for a third drive which can be used as a
beta
> > drive to test applications you built, or have other distros of Linux, or
so
> > on.
> > While lilo can manage multiple operating systems it has its draw backs.
For
> > example if you reinstall Windows it will over write the mbr, and having
> > several operating systems eats away at drive space. Now hard drives are
> > really cheap, and you can have 10 and 15 gig drives for less than
$100.00
> > depending on where you look.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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