Re: zip speak??

Re: zip speak??

[Thomas D. Ward]

Hi, actually I am not even sure zipspeak will work with 2000. It was
designed to run with windows 95, and 98.
However, perhaps the next best option would be to install a second drive,
and put Linux on that. Of course, unfortunately that takes more advanced
knolege, but it would get around your 2000 issue.

Re: zip speak??

[blinky]

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I have the second hard drive, but it's as I said only 516 mb and I thought
that this would be enough till such time as  I get a new machine with
higher specs to put a full linux distribution on.
or is it possible to put a full distrib of slackware on to that small size
of hdd?
or any other distribution for that matter?

blinky At 01:10 AM 7/30/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Hi, actually I am not even sure zipspeak will work with 2000. It was
>designed to run with windows 95, and 98.
>However, perhaps the next best option would be to install a second drive,
>and put Linux on that. Of course, unfortunately that takes more advanced
>knolege, but it would get around your 2000 issue.
>
>
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Re: zip speak??

[Thomas Ward]

Hi, it would be possible to put any major distribution on that small drive,
but would have to cut down on the amount of applications installed.
For example if you don't install the x windows server, graphical desktops,
and the apps that go with them you save about 900 mb right there.
You mentioned slackware. Well if you wanted a nice system I'd pick these
package sets.
a, app, d, e, n, and y.
You could further save yourself space by only picking the apps you wanted
and installing those you do.
If you were using Red Hat you would go through the custom setup, and
unselect x, gnome, kde, mail servers, ftp servers, web server, etc, and just
leave the text based client software, and then you would have a nice small
Linux system.
In any case I would always include the gcc compilers, perl, and the
development stuff, because many apps for Linux are in source code only, and
you need to run a simple make script to compile and install them. An example
of an average from source install is:

./configure
make
make install

Hope this helped.

Re: zip speak??

[blinky]

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would this type of thing still include a speakup boot system as I really at
this point have no idea what I'm doing with linux!

but also reading the red hat docs it said that redhat minimum install was
approx 1.2 gig which I thought was allot but didn't want to debate it.

but also wish to have ftp and or network capibility to access my windows
system from linux and visa versa.

will what you havve spoken of here still give me this access??

thanks 

blinkyAt 02:10 AM 7/30/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Hi, it would be possible to put any major distribution on that small drive,
>but would have to cut down on the amount of applications installed.
>For example if you don't install the x windows server, graphical desktops,
>and the apps that go with them you save about 900 mb right there.
>You mentioned slackware. Well if you wanted a nice system I'd pick these
>package sets.
>a, app, d, e, n, and y.
>You could further save yourself space by only picking the apps you wanted
>and installing those you do.
>If you were using Red Hat you would go through the custom setup, and
>unselect x, gnome, kde, mail servers, ftp servers, web server, etc, and just
>leave the text based client software, and then you would have a nice small
>Linux system.
>In any case I would always include the gcc compilers, perl, and the
>development stuff, because many apps for Linux are in source code only, and
>you need to run a simple make script to compile and install them. An example
>of an average from source install is:
>
>./configure
>make
>make install
>
>Hope this helped.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: zip speak??

[Gregory Nowak]

Yes, it will.
Greg


On Tue, Jul 30, 2002 at 09:19:50PM +1200, blinky@earthlight.co.nz wrote:
> would this type of thing still include a speakup boot system as I really at
> this point have no idea what I'm doing with linux!
> 
> but also reading the red hat docs it said that redhat minimum install was
> approx 1.2 gig which I thought was allot but didn't want to debate it.
> 
> but also wish to have ftp and or network capibility to access my windows
> system from linux and visa versa.
> 
> will what you havve spoken of here still give me this access??
> 
> thanks 
> 
> blinky

Re: zip speak??

[Patrick Turnage]

Hello.
I think if you really wanted to use your zipspeak you could take any 9x
system or visit 
http://www.bootdisks.com
and grab the 98 SE boot disk
and change to the drive and then run the 
loadlin command you can boot zipspeak.
When my laptop had to have the hard disk repaired and I did not have any
other computers I used a slimmed down version of zipslack added with
speakup support,  and fit it on a zip disk and used my external iomega zip
drive.. and I had ppp, aol im, emacs, lynx, mpg123, telnet ftp blabla...
If you are going to go slackware I would select a ap d e n 
I would leave out y because it is just games
then I would uninstall a lot of packages that are installed such as the cd
player, jpeg viewers etc.. it has been a long time since I ran slackware..
removepkg package I believe, or pkgtool.tty I heard from a friend that
pkgtool.tty was removed but I have not run slackware in a long while. 
I believe if  you have the disk space debian or redhat is a little better,
but if you are low on disk space slackware is the easiest in my opinion to
customize.. due to the method that the packages are managed.
Forgive me if any of this is incorrect.. Its early..
I am running 2.4.18 is there anything worth upgrading to in the 2.5.x
kernels? The virtual machine I run Linux in doesn't seem to work with my
sound card and I really have no need for it to.. So I know about alsa, but
is there any other reason? Is it faster, more stable? I want to do traffic
shaping on my dsl line, but I have no idea where to start. I want only to
filter the ability of users who are using my apache to suck up all my
upload bandwidth on  the line. I do not want to limit my own outbound
traffic just the speed that apache will send it.. I found the throttling
modules for apache but they do not seem to do what I want them to do. What
about the ip_traf module? Will that do this. See I only have 256 kbps or
25.6 k up on my dsl and I only want to allow 10K to  apache after that I
want apache to stop serving web pages. It is basically the only public
service I'm running, sure I have pop3 and all that open but only for my
personal access. Is what I want to do possible?  
One more thing, I want to be able to get speak freely working behind my
netfilter nat, I have the commands for ipchains but what ports do I forward
to allow people to for example type in my ip address and have that
forwarded to say 10.0.0.4/24 or maybe a variable like IP$ that I can define
in a script for times when I'm at a specific machine and want to use speak
freely..

thanks for all the help
Patrick



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Re: zip speak??

[blinky]

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so I take it there is no way to run zip speak from an nt based machine?

I'll try the 98 se boot floppy that I have for my old system, but guess if
that don't work then I'll have to get either slackware or another
distribution.

what is the  easiest linux for a beginner to use. or is anyone better /
more configurable than another for someoen using speakup?

also do all the distributions have speakup compliled into the kernal or is
that something that the user has to do them selves?

thanks 

blinkyAt 07:23 AM 7/30/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Hello.
>I think if you really wanted to use your zipspeak you could take any 9x
>system or visit 
>http://www.bootdisks.com
>and grab the 98 SE boot disk
>and change to the drive and then run the 
>loadlin command you can boot zipspeak.
>When my laptop had to have the hard disk repaired and I did not have any
>other computers I used a slimmed down version of zipslack added with
>speakup support,  and fit it on a zip disk and used my external iomega zip
>drive.. and I had ppp, aol im, emacs, lynx, mpg123, telnet ftp blabla...
>If you are going to go slackware I would select a ap d e n 
>I would leave out y because it is just games
>then I would uninstall a lot of packages that are installed such as the cd
>player, jpeg viewers etc.. it has been a long time since I ran slackware..
>removepkg package I believe, or pkgtool.tty I heard from a friend that
>pkgtool.tty was removed but I have not run slackware in a long while. 
>I believe if  you have the disk space debian or redhat is a little better,
>but if you are low on disk space slackware is the easiest in my opinion to
>customize.. due to the method that the packages are managed.
>Forgive me if any of this is incorrect.. Its early..
>I am running 2.4.18 is there anything worth upgrading to in the 2.5.x
>kernels? The virtual machine I run Linux in doesn't seem to work with my
>sound card and I really have no need for it to.. So I know about alsa, but
>is there any other reason? Is it faster, more stable? I want to do traffic
>shaping on my dsl line, but I have no idea where to start. I want only to
>filter the ability of users who are using my apache to suck up all my
>upload bandwidth on  the line. I do not want to limit my own outbound
>traffic just the speed that apache will send it.. I found the throttling
>modules for apache but they do not seem to do what I want them to do. What
>about the ip_traf module? Will that do this. See I only have 256 kbps or
>25.6 k up on my dsl and I only want to allow 10K to  apache after that I
>want apache to stop serving web pages. It is basically the only public
>service I'm running, sure I have pop3 and all that open but only for my
>personal access. Is what I want to do possible?  
>One more thing, I want to be able to get speak freely working behind my
>netfilter nat, I have the commands for ipchains but what ports do I forward
>to allow people to for example type in my ip address and have that
>forwarded to say 10.0.0.4/24 or maybe a variable like IP$ that I can define
>in a script for times when I'm at a specific machine and want to use speak
>freely..
>
>thanks for all the help
>Patrick
>
>
>
>        -------------------------
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>e-mail:pturnage@tampabay.rr.com
>Telephone: (850) 459-7717
>HomePage: http://www.access-connect.com
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>AOL Instant Messenger:kg4dqk
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Re: zip speak??

[Gregory Nowak]

Zipspeak will not run on an ntfs partition, it will only run on fat/fat32.

The only stock distribution which has a speakup enabled kernel out of the box is slackware. There are however speakup enabled distributions of debian and redhat available from linux-speakup.org.
Greg


On Wed, Jul 31, 2002 at 08:25:20AM +1200, blinky@earthlight.co.nz wrote:
> so I take it there is no way to run zip speak from an nt based machine?
> 
> I'll try the 98 se boot floppy that I have for my old system, but guess if
> that don't work then I'll have to get either slackware or another
> distribution.
> 
> what is the  easiest linux for a beginner to use. or is anyone better /
> more configurable than another for someoen using speakup?
> 
> also do all the distributions have speakup compliled into the kernal or is
> that something that the user has to do them selves?
> 
> thanks 
> 
> blinky

Re: zip speak??

[blinky]

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I've got zip speak on a fat partitioned drive, but the system is win 2k, so
drive c is ntfs but drive d where zip speak is located is a fat .

blinkyAt 04:02 PM 7/30/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Zipspeak will not run on an ntfs partition, it will only run on fat/fat32.
>
>The only stock distribution which has a speakup enabled kernel out of the
box is slackware. There are however speakup enabled distributions of debian
and redhat available from linux-speakup.org.
>Greg
>
>
>On Wed, Jul 31, 2002 at 08:25:20AM +1200, blinky@earthlight.co.nz wrote:
>> so I take it there is no way to run zip speak from an nt based machine?
>> 
>> I'll try the 98 se boot floppy that I have for my old system, but guess if
>> that don't work then I'll have to get either slackware or another
>> distribution.
>> 
>> what is the  easiest linux for a beginner to use. or is anyone better /
>> more configurable than another for someoen using speakup?
>> 
>> also do all the distributions have speakup compliled into the kernal or is
>> that something that the user has to do them selves?
>> 
>> thanks 
>> 
>> blinky
>
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Re: zip speak??

[Toby Fisher]

On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, Thomas Ward wrote:

> Hi, it would be possible to put any major distribution on that small drive,
> but would have to cut down on the amount of applications installed.
> For example if you don't install the x windows server, graphical desktops,
> and the apps that go with them you save about 900 mb right there.
> You mentioned slackware. Well if you wanted a nice system I'd pick these
> package sets.
> a, app, d, e, n, and y.

<snip>

I'd also include the f series if I were you, it includes all the faqs and
howtos etc, loads of docs there, enough to keep you reading for a
*loooooooong* time. *grin*

Cheers.

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zip speak??

[blinky]

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	Hi list,

I've just joined this list, 
and thought it would be a good start to getting info on setting up the
slackware distribution of linux called zip speak.

at the moment I'm running a win 2k system, but want to do more with linux,
and thought a good place to start was with this product.as the drive I want
to put it on to is only 516mg b in size.

the drive is formatted as a fat system, but the main drive in the machine
is ntfs, 
zip speak how ever says that to run it you have to be in dos mode, not in a
dos prompt or reboot as dos from the start menu.

I can't how ever do any of this as win2k wont allow me to run in a dos mode.

can anyone tell me what I'm either doing wrong or need to do to run this
product?

thanks 

blinky

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