Hello...

Hello...

[Gaijin]

     Hello all,

     Just joined the list and thought I's say "hello" to everyone. 
Really nice to find a place like this.  I'm a rabid Linux fanatic who 
went blind from diabetic retinopathy in August of '02, and I've been 
pretty much offline ever since.  Finally broke down and upgraded my 
system to support WinXP and quickly heard about SpeakUp for Linux.  I'm 
in the process of looking for a supported speech synth for SpeakUp, so 
I'm still stuck in Windows on a 30 minute Win-Eyes time limit.  I hope 
to soon get Slackware up and running, and soon be able to contribute to 
the SpeakUp effort right along-side everyone.  I'm presently playing 
around with a copy of Oralux and learning the features.  Just need that 
speech synthesizer, and I should be off and running.  Thank you for all 
your efforts.  It is well appreciated.

     Best regards,
         Michael "Foreign White Devil" Ferranti

Re: Hello...

[Gaijin]

Cody Hurst wrote:
> 
>   To get ou up to speed, there is a graphical desktop called Gnome, 

     Thank you for the info.  I've been planning from long ago on
porting over from Debian to Slackware.  Makes it kind of convenient that
they now support the SpeakUp kernal.  I have a fresh copy of Debian
installed, courtesy of a friend's help, and I've poking around in it
using Oralux.  I think I have almost everything but Festival installed.
  I managed to get emacspeak to say "ls" once, so I know there's
something working, sans a hardware speech synth.  I'd rather just get a
supported hardware synth and insall Slackware.  I'm not too sure about
using a GUI anymore.  I like Midnight Commander, tin, and lynx for
pretty much everything.  bitchx, too.  Never got to use pine.  (All
that's from reading the SpeakUp docs on working with SpeakUp and
emacspeak to use Midnight Commander and pine...whatever pine
is...probably an email client.(  For email, I'd probably just make due
with the Linux mail commend.  I have a passion for scripting and
aliases, as I can get things done a whole lot faster just typing "ggl"
than booting up mozilla and navagating all the menus to reach
Google...that and I can script the output to filter out all the links I
don't need to "see."  Back in '02, all I used X for was X-Chat andForte
Agent under Wine.
Anyway, the command line interface is fine for me, as long as there a
couple full-screen utilities and clients to possibly make things easier.
  SpeakUp seems to fit the bill perfectly.  Trying to get Debian running
again from Oralux and Windows has been a real education, to say the
least. <laughs>
     I'll certainly get around to the X environment, once I can get a
usable command line.  I'm planning on having as many fall-back positions
as is possible, as I'm stuck out here in the boonies with little or no
help at all, unless I offer money to someone to come 40 miles.
Relocating to the closest major city has also been an exercise in
futility. <grins>
     Maybe I haven't found the info yet, but is there a way to use the
new USB synthesizers they're coming out with now?  As far as I've
managed to see in the SpeakUp docs, only serial port models and internal
models are supported  I'm hoping there's something simple, like
appending something to the lilo boot prompt to have it communicate with 
a USB port. <shrugs>  I dunno yet.  Lots more to read up on.

     Thank you again for all the help,

         Michael

Re: Hello...

[Cody Hurst]

Hello Mike,

  To get ou up to speed, there is a graphical desktop called Gnome, whihc 
supports a screen reader called Orca. If you download the live CD of Ubuntu 
7.04, you can use the screen reader right fromthe live CD. I wish I had time 
to explain it all, but visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca and read all about i 
there. I would say orca is comparable to jaws or window eyes the team who 
developes is in my opinion is the bes in the industry of open source 
sofware.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gaijin" <gaijin@clearwire.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 2:54 AM
Subject: Hello...


>     Hello all,
>
>     Just joined the list and thought I's say "hello" to everyone.
> Really nice to find a place like this.  I'm a rabid Linux fanatic who
> went blind from diabetic retinopathy in August of '02, and I've been
> pretty much offline ever since.  Finally broke down and upgraded my
> system to support WinXP and quickly heard about SpeakUp for Linux.  I'm
> in the process of looking for a supported speech synth for SpeakUp, so
> I'm still stuck in Windows on a 30 minute Win-Eyes time limit.  I hope
> to soon get Slackware up and running, and soon be able to contribute to
> the SpeakUp effort right along-side everyone.  I'm presently playing
> around with a copy of Oralux and learning the features.  Just need that
> speech synthesizer, and I should be off and running.  Thank you for all
> your efforts.  It is well appreciated.
>
>     Best regards,
>         Michael "Foreign White Devil" Ferranti
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup 

Re: Hello...

[Gaijin]

ace wrote:
> if your budget allows, you should probably purchase a DoubleTalk LT 

     Now I just heard something about the DoubleTalk...something about
it having some kind of command language.  Is this anything like the
Hayse AT modem command set?  That would rock.  Especially if I can issue
commands from a script, and perhaps have it say things I don't care to
clutter up the screen with.  I loved Redhat's init scripts during
boot-up, where the message results were something like "Pass" and
"Fail."  Would be nice to have that in Slackware.  Real sanitary.
Buying a synth will be no problem.  !Finding! one is another. <laughs>
I'm still stuck with the demo version of Win-Eyes, and it's a bear
trying to find anything useful, let alone keeping the same train of
thought. <grins>  Just had to reboot between this sentence and the last. 
  I'm !dying! to get back to Linux.  Could you tell me a bit more about 
the DoubleTalk, or point me in the right direction?  If it works with 
SpeakUp in Slackware, I'll buy it in a heartbeat.  Just spent three 
weeks trying to find someone selling a DecTalk Express, only to find 
that Internet Explorer was getting in the way.  My afore-mentioned 
friend showed me that Firefox was better, and I found Artic 
Technologies, only my stoopid Cricket phone won't connect me. <roflmao> 
  I keep getting a fast-busy signal until after hours.  Haven't been 
able to get through ever since. <sighs>  Life in the Mighty Metropolis 
of Delhi, California...armpit of the state. <grins>
     Any opions on hardware speech synthesizers will be gratefully 
accepted.  A URL where they can be bought is welcomed, too.  Thanks 
guys, for all the help.  This is the kind of effort I can feel proud to 
join.  Helping the blind (and myself) sounds like a much worthier cause.

         Michael

Re: Hello...

[ace]

Orca and Gnome are both great products and I would encourage their use but, 
if your budget allows, you should probably purchase a DoubleTalk LT which is 
an external hardware synthesizer.  The desktop environment still has its 
quirks and if it unexpectedly dies you will be dumped into a shell, so best 
to have hardware speech if at all possible.  Insure that you have a serial 
port, though.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gaijin" <gaijin@clearwire.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 5:54 AM
Subject: Hello...


>     Hello all,
>
>     Just joined the list and thought I's say "hello" to everyone.
> Really nice to find a place like this.  I'm a rabid Linux fanatic who
> went blind from diabetic retinopathy in August of '02, and I've been
> pretty much offline ever since.  Finally broke down and upgraded my
> system to support WinXP and quickly heard about SpeakUp for Linux.  I'm
> in the process of looking for a supported speech synth for SpeakUp, so
> I'm still stuck in Windows on a 30 minute Win-Eyes time limit.  I hope
> to soon get Slackware up and running, and soon be able to contribute to
> the SpeakUp effort right along-side everyone.  I'm presently playing
> around with a copy of Oralux and learning the features.  Just need that
> speech synthesizer, and I should be off and running.  Thank you for all
> your efforts.  It is well appreciated.
>
>     Best regards,
>         Michael "Foreign White Devil" Ferranti
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
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Re: HardWare Synthesizers

[Gaijin]

Hart Larry wrote:
> Well, Michael, if you wanted to spend around $795 you could get a
> Dec-Talk USB 
> from Access Solutions, near Sacromento

     Oops.  Already ordered a DoubleTalk LT. <laughs>  Bugrit!
Hopefully it's understandable.  It #%&*-well had better be for the
price. <laughs>  Oh well.  I spent $200 for WinXP in March, and Vista
was advertised as going for $75.  Last time I shop at CompUSA. 	It'll be
worth it. <shrugs>  Anything to ditch Win-Eyes and back to an OS I can
trust.  I can never seem to get Windows to act the same way twice.  When
Speak-Up goes USB-ready, I may consider a USB synth.  Heard there was a
screen reader for DOS, and was considering even that.  Maybe under
dosemu.  I miss Aces of he Deep and sinking convoys.  I wonder if I can
write a U-boat sim that can be used by the blind.  It's not like you can
see anything when you're 150 meters under the surface, anyway.  Sorry.
Ex-Navy here.  Thank you for the info.  I still have a laptop to buy
for, so...  It was either get a synth ASAP, or toss the freakin' 
computer out the window the next time I heard, "Please save your work at 
this time..." <laughs>

         Michael

Re: Hello...

[Cody Hurst]

Hello,
  External synths are quite pricy and should, in my opinion, be  
purchased if it is really going to be used productively, otherwise  
try to get a used one, which might be hard.

Cody
I have never had Gnome or orca crash on me.
On Jun 14, 2007, at 4:55 PM, ace wrote:

> Orca and Gnome are both great products and I would encourage their  
> use but,
> if your budget allows, you should probably purchase a DoubleTalk LT  
> which is
> an external hardware synthesizer.  The desktop environment still  
> has its
> quirks and if it unexpectedly dies you will be dumped into a shell,  
> so best
> to have hardware speech if at all possible.  Insure that you have a  
> serial
> port, though.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gaijin" <gaijin@clearwire.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 5:54 AM
> Subject: Hello...
>
>
>
>>     Hello all,
>>
>>     Just joined the list and thought I's say "hello" to everyone.
>> Really nice to find a place like this.  I'm a rabid Linux fanatic who
>> went blind from diabetic retinopathy in August of '02, and I've been
>> pretty much offline ever since.  Finally broke down and upgraded my
>> system to support WinXP and quickly heard about SpeakUp for  
>> Linux.  I'm
>> in the process of looking for a supported speech synth for  
>> SpeakUp, so
>> I'm still stuck in Windows on a 30 minute Win-Eyes time limit.  I  
>> hope
>> to soon get Slackware up and running, and soon be able to  
>> contribute to
>> the SpeakUp effort right along-side everyone.  I'm presently playing
>> around with a copy of Oralux and learning the features.  Just need  
>> that
>> speech synthesizer, and I should be off and running.  Thank you  
>> for all
>> your efforts.  It is well appreciated.
>>
>>     Best regards,
>>         Michael "Foreign White Devil" Ferranti
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>>
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Re: Hello...

[Gaijin]

Gregory Nowak wrote:
> The doubletalk lt is made, and sold by RC Systems.

     Ahah!  That's two votes for the DoubleTalk LT.  Now maybe I'm not 
too worried about buying one.  I never could find some kind of "Consumer 
Report" on the things.

> http://www.nvaccess.org/nvda/

     Kewl.  I'll give it a try.  Yanno, you guys have an ideal 
opportunity to play "scam the newbie."  I'm about desperate enough to 
fall for any suggestion.  Breadboarding my own synth for instance.  I 
was even planning on going back to see how they first got Linux 
installed, prior to CD installations...even if I had to type it in using 
hexadecimal notation and DOS's debug.

         Michael

Re: Hello...

[Gaijin]

Doug Sutherland wrote:
> Doubletalk has commands. At the device level, as interpreted over 
> the serial connection to the chipset, commands are embedded in 
> the text stream, identified by a CTRL-A or ASCII character 01.

     Okay.  I get the picture.  Perfect...if SpeakUp doesn't complain. 
Man, I love that interface.  Especially for laptop users.  Never did 
care for mice, and like my fingers glued to the home-row on the 
keyboard.  (asdf-jkl;)  The laptop config makes it even easier.  No 
hunting for the notches on the F and J keys.  If Kirk and Andy weren't 
such ugly looking women, I'd propose to 'em. <grins>  This is what a 
screen reader !should! be.  Dunno if I've seen it in X though.  Oralux 
kinda sounds like everything is in text mode, as far as the client list, 
anyway.  A friend at CVALE (Central Valley Area Linux Enthusiasts) also 
sent me a copy of Ubuntoo, I think.  Never got it working.
     I was thinking along the lines of the old Sound Blaster's "say" 
command for DOS, where you could have the computer say whatever.  Might 
also be nice to feed the synth's output back into the microphone and 
record things to mp3 or WAV format.  How well does SpeakUp work with 
bitchx, do you know?  Hanging out on openprojects was another bad habit 
i'd like to renew. <grins>  Thank you for the info.  You've all been an 
enormous help.

         Michael

Re: HardWare Synthesizers

[Gaijin]

Gregory Nowak wrote:
> As for a usb synth, you should be able to use your lt under windblows

     I'm not concerned about Mickeysoft.  S'why it took almost five
years to finally break down and put the $#%$%&^ garbage back on my
computer.  I've regretted every single day it has ran. <grins>  Never
could get W95 to consistantly connect at 56K...even with programming the
NVRAM on my external modem and re-writing the .inf file.  That was the
main reason I ported to Linux.  I could no longer control my own
computer.  (Lovingly pets "his Precious.)  Linux gave me my computer
back.  Makes my skin crawl to consider how Microsoft is trying to horn
in on Linux.  I !know! they're working with the govt. to eliminate the 
4th Amendment against warrantless searches.  I don't trust Redhat, 
either.  Getting rid of Debian too, because it's too easy to infiltrate 
a trojan via dpkg.  Yeah, I'm paranoid, but when you examine the 
evidence...  Bugrit!

> There is. Its called provox, and is under the gpl. Its author is on
> this list as well.

	   Good deal.  I was thinking of using something to wipe my WinXP drive 
and fdisk the thing into about 16 different fat-16 partitions and 
installing freedos and Win 3.11.  Use it as an emergency dual-boot setup 
in case my Seagate croaks.  I'm running removable hard drives.  I don't 
trust Windows not to infect my Linux drive. <laughs>  Give it cooties, 
or something.  Six different OS releases, multiple IE upgrades, and 
thousands of security updates and they still haven't closed the 
email/address book vulnerability.  They want that sucker left wide open.

> In fact, if you tried to use both speakup and provox in a dosemu 
> session with the same synth, I wouldn't be
>  surprised if you ran into problems.

     Couldn't be any worse than Narrator and Win-Eyes both running at
the same time. <grins>  Wouldn't be any less understandable, anyway. 
I'm thinking of getting another couple screen readers working all at the 
same time.  It'll be just like being right in the middle of a Jerry 
Springer show. <grins>
     Thank you for the URL's.  I have many of them.  They're just in a 
big pile in Firefox's bookmarks.  Can't organize them using Win-Eyes 
yet. <smirks>

         Michael

Re: Hello...

[Littlefield, Tyler]

I'd suggest learning with a command line.
You can also get speechd-up, and other programs to give you software speech,
rather than using gnome.
It's accessibility is still being worked on, while the linux command line
has been used for a long time.

Thanks,
~~TheCreator~~
[My programs don't have bugs; just randomly added features]
msn:
compgeek13@gmail.com
aim: st8amnd2005
skype: st8amnd127
vertigo head coder
web: tysdomain.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cody Hurst" <churst35@verizon.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: Hello...


> Hello Mike,
>
>   To get ou up to speed, there is a graphical desktop called Gnome, whihc
> supports a screen reader called Orca. If you download the live CD of
Ubuntu
> 7.04, you can use the screen reader right fromthe live CD. I wish I had
time
> to explain it all, but visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca and read all about
i
> there. I would say orca is comparable to jaws or window eyes the team who
> developes is in my opinion is the bes in the industry of open source
> sofware.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gaijin" <gaijin@clearwire.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 2:54 AM
> Subject: Hello...
>
>
> >     Hello all,
> >
> >     Just joined the list and thought I's say "hello" to everyone.
> > Really nice to find a place like this.  I'm a rabid Linux fanatic who
> > went blind from diabetic retinopathy in August of '02, and I've been
> > pretty much offline ever since.  Finally broke down and upgraded my
> > system to support WinXP and quickly heard about SpeakUp for Linux.  I'm
> > in the process of looking for a supported speech synth for SpeakUp, so
> > I'm still stuck in Windows on a 30 minute Win-Eyes time limit.  I hope
> > to soon get Slackware up and running, and soon be able to contribute to
> > the SpeakUp effort right along-side everyone.  I'm presently playing
> > around with a copy of Oralux and learning the features.  Just need that
> > speech synthesizer, and I should be off and running.  Thank you for all
> > your efforts.  It is well appreciated.
> >
> >     Best regards,
> >         Michael "Foreign White Devil" Ferranti
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

HardWare Synthesizers

[Hart Larry]

Well, Michael, if you wanted to spend around $795 you could get a Dec-Talk USB 
from Access Solutions, near Sacromento
www.axsol.com
With speakup, I must run in rs232 mode, but when I ran connected to a windows 
laptop, running Jaws, I switched over to the usb setting.  A Dectalk would give 
you nearly the best speech, unless you want to try the IBM TTS which sounds 
like eliquence
Good luck
Hart

Re: Hello...

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Thu, Jun 14, 2007 at 11:08:32AM -0800, Gaijin wrote:
> Buying a synth will be no problem.  !Finding! one is another. <laughs>

The doubletalk lt is made, and sold by RC Systems. You can find their site at:

http://www.rcsys.com

> I'm still stuck with the demo version of Win-Eyes, and it's a bear
> trying to find anything useful, let alone keeping the same train of
> thought. <grins>  Just had to reboot between this sentence and the last. 

Yeah, I still remember what that used to be like (grin). If you don't mind living on the edge,
there is a free (as in beer and speech), screenreader called nonvisual
desktop access, that is still in the alpha stage of development. You
can find it at:

http://www.nvaccess.org/nvda/

Hth.

Greg

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Re: Hello...

[Doug Sutherland]

Doubletalk has commands. At the device level, as interpreted over 
the serial connection to the chipset, commands are embedded in 
the text stream, identified by a CTRL-A or ASCII character 01.
This indicates a command will follow, and they are:

T - Text Mode - Places the synth in text operating mode as 
opposed to character mode, reading words insteads of letters

nT - Text Mode Delay - adds a pause between words. A zero
value for n is normal speech, other values cause longer pause.
The value of n can be 0 to 15.

C - Character Mode - Places the synth is character operating 
mode instead of text mode, reading letters one at a time rather
than whole words

nC - Character Mode Delay - adds a pause between letters.
A zero value is normal speech, other values cause longer pause.
The value of n can be 0 to 15.

D - Phoneme Mode - Disables the text-to-phonetics translator
allowing direct access to phonemes. Allows you to specify 
words in phonemes, example computer is k ax m p yy uw dx er

nS - Speed - Sets the speech speed. Default value of n is 5, 
range of speed is 0 to 13.

nO - Voice - Selects a preset voice. There are eleven preset 
voices, default voice is 0, range of n is 0 to 10.

nA - Articulation - Changes the voice from slurred 0 to choppy 9.
Default value of n is 5, range from 0 to 9.

nE - Expression - Intonation or variation in pitch within phrase.
Value of 0 for n is no intonation, range from 0 to 9.

M - Monotone - Disables intonation

nF - Formant Frequency - Adjust overall frequency response 
over the range of 0 to 99, default value 50.

nP - Pitch - Adjust pitch over range of 0 to 99, default value 50.

nT - Tone - Adjust tone over range 0 to 2, where 0 is bass 
setting, 1 is normal, and 2 is treble

nR - Add reverberation, where 0 is no reverb, range 0 to 9.

nV - Volume range 0 to 9 default 5.

There are additional commands for punctuation filtering, exception
dictionary, recording and playback of audio thru ADC (if functon
available on your chipset, and a few other control commands. 
Details are in the chipset datasheet, these are for RC8660.

Again, this is device level commands, what is available is driver
level may differ. An API (application programming interface) 
can be made such that CTL-A 5V (set volume to level 5) can
be coded as setVolume(5) or any other syntax as the coder
may desire, or these commands can be inserted into any ASCII
stream by using the CTRL-A (ASCII 0) to insert a command.

In the case of software like speakup, since it supports many 
different synths, it has its own commands, which at the driver
level in speakup translate to the native commands of the synth.
The above are the native commands of RC8660 doubletalk
chip. It is quite a lot of fun to play with these commands and 
its possible to make many different voices.

  -- Doug


 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gaijin" <gaijin@clearwire.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: Hello...


> ace wrote:
> > if your budget allows, you should probably purchase a DoubleTalk LT 
> 
>      Now I just heard something about the DoubleTalk...something about
> it having some kind of command language.  Is this anything like the
> Hayse AT modem command set?  That would rock.  Especially if I can issue
> commands from a script, and perhaps have it say things I don't care to
> clutter up the screen with.  I loved Redhat's init scripts during
> boot-up, where the message results were something like "Pass" and
> "Fail."  Would be nice to have that in Slackware.  Real sanitary.
> Buying a synth will be no problem.  !Finding! one is another. <laughs>
> I'm still stuck with the demo version of Win-Eyes, and it's a bear
> trying to find anything useful, let alone keeping the same train of
> thought. <grins>  Just had to reboot between this sentence and the last. 
>   I'm !dying! to get back to Linux.  Could you tell me a bit more about 
> the DoubleTalk, or point me in the right direction?  If it works with 
> SpeakUp in Slackware, I'll buy it in a heartbeat.  Just spent three 
> weeks trying to find someone selling a DecTalk Express, only to find 
> that Internet Explorer was getting in the way.  My afore-mentioned 
> friend showed me that Firefox was better, and I found Artic 
> Technologies, only my stoopid Cricket phone won't connect me. <roflmao> 
>   I keep getting a fast-busy signal until after hours.  Haven't been 
> able to get through ever since. <sighs>  Life in the Mighty Metropolis 
> of Delhi, California...armpit of the state. <grins>
>      Any opions on hardware speech synthesizers will be gratefully 
> accepted.  A URL where they can be bought is welcomed, too.  Thanks 
> guys, for all the help.  This is the kind of effort I can feel proud to 
> join.  Helping the blind (and myself) sounds like a much worthier cause.
> 
>          Michael
> 
> 
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Re: HardWare Synthesizers

[Doug Sutherland]

Hart said:
the IBM TTS which sounds like eliquence

Because is IS eloquence. This is evident when you peruse the internals, 
and the naming of stuff like eci.h header, even more revealing the older 
versions announced that they WERE eloquence engine when initialized,
rather than IBM TTS, after it was modified in later versions.

Most of IBMs work was on speech recognition not synthesis. From my 
working with IBM TTS years ago, it is obvious that it was a license of 
eloquence to build the TTS engine. A fine sounding engine indeed.
I would venture to say its the best in software synthesis, and worlds
apart from festival and derivatives like flite etc.

  -- Doug

Re: HardWare Synthesizers

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Thu, Jun 14, 2007 at 01:12:19PM -0800, Gaijin wrote:
>      Oops.  Already ordered a DoubleTalk LT. <laughs>  Bugrit!
> Hopefully it's understandable.  It #%&*-well had better be for the
> price. <laughs>  Oh well.  

Well, synths seem to be a love-hate thing, some people like a
particular synth, and others can't stand the same synth. I personally
have had my doubletalk pc for 9 years now, and am happy with
it. Hopefully, you'll consider your doubletalk lt to have been a
worth-while investment once you get it. As for a usb synth, you should
be able to use your lt under windblows at least via a usb to serial
converter, and they'll hopefully become useable under speakup one day
also, I mean serial synths via a usb to rs232 converter of course.

> Heard there was a
> screen reader for DOS, and was considering even that.  Maybe under
> dosemu.  

There is. Its called provox, and is under the gpl. Its author is on
this list as well. You can find it at:

http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh/provox7.zip

and yes, it will work with your doubletalk lt as far as I can recall.

As for using it in dosemu, you most certainly can, provided you've
configured the serial port correctly in dosemu, but you won't need to
do that when using speakup, since speakup actually speaks in your
dosemu sessions as well. In fact, if you tried to use both speakup and
provox in a dosemu session with the same synth, I wouldn't be
surprised if you ran into problems.

Greg

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RE: HardWare Synthesizers

[Jim Grimsby Jr.]

Well if you dislike window eyes so much are you willing to cell it?  And if
so for how much.  


-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of Gaijin
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 4:20 PM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: HardWare Synthesizers


Gregory Nowak wrote:
> As for a usb synth, you should be able to use your lt under windblows

     I'm not concerned about Mickeysoft.  S'why it took almost five years to
finally break down and put the $#%$%&^ garbage back on my computer.  I've
regretted every single day it has ran. <grins>  Never could get W95 to
consistantly connect at 56K...even with programming the NVRAM on my external
modem and re-writing the .inf file.  That was the main reason I ported to
Linux.  I could no longer control my own computer.  (Lovingly pets "his
Precious.)  Linux gave me my computer back.  Makes my skin crawl to consider
how Microsoft is trying to horn in on Linux.  I !know! they're working with
the govt. to eliminate the 
4th Amendment against warrantless searches.  I don't trust Redhat, 
either.  Getting rid of Debian too, because it's too easy to infiltrate 
a trojan via dpkg.  Yeah, I'm paranoid, but when you examine the 
evidence...  Bugrit!

> There is. Its called provox, and is under the gpl. Its author is on 
> this list as well.

	   Good deal.  I was thinking of using something to wipe my WinXP
drive 
and fdisk the thing into about 16 different fat-16 partitions and 
installing freedos and Win 3.11.  Use it as an emergency dual-boot setup 
in case my Seagate croaks.  I'm running removable hard drives.  I don't 
trust Windows not to infect my Linux drive. <laughs>  Give it cooties, 
or something.  Six different OS releases, multiple IE upgrades, and 
thousands of security updates and they still haven't closed the 
email/address book vulnerability.  They want that sucker left wide open.

> In fact, if you tried to use both speakup and provox in a dosemu
> session with the same synth, I wouldn't be
>  surprised if you ran into problems.

     Couldn't be any worse than Narrator and Win-Eyes both running at the
same time. <grins>  Wouldn't be any less understandable, anyway. 
I'm thinking of getting another couple screen readers working all at the 
same time.  It'll be just like being right in the middle of a Jerry 
Springer show. <grins>
     Thank you for the URL's.  I have many of them.  They're just in a 
big pile in Firefox's bookmarks.  Can't organize them using Win-Eyes 
yet. <smirks>

         Michael


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Re: HardWare Synthesizers

[Hermann]

As Michael wrote, he runs a demo of WE, so he cannot sell it.
But I agree that it isn't that terrible. I use it besides Jaws, because 
the access to Firefox is much better.
BTW: I would be happy having spent so little time in setting up and 
configuring my Linux as I had to do with my diverse Windows *scnr*
Hermann

Re: Hello...

[Hermann]

Do you really! want to convince anybody that prealpha software like NVDA 
is comparable to a fully developped screen reader like Jaws or WE? I 
can't believe it!
Hermann

Re: Hello...

[Gaijin]

Doug Sutherland wrote:
> In linux you could do echo "hello" > /dev/tty0 or cat file.txt > /dev/tty0

     <slaps forehead>  Duh!  Jeez, I've been using Windows too long.  If 
I can `cat file > /dev/dsp` to test the audio card...  Thanks for the 
rock upside the head.  I need them. <grins>

         Michael

Re: doubletalk LT (Re: Hello...)

[Gaijin]

John Heim wrote:
> Make that 3 votes. I have both a doubletalk and a tripletalk.

     Okay.  Thanks.  I think the DoubleTalk will do, as long as SpeakUp
supports it.  I don't really have any other need but to get Linux up and
running.  Most of the people I know use Windows XP now, and I can't
really help them with it.  Hell, I can't even find the link to change my
login passwords in the thing. <laughs>  	If I can use SpeakUp with bash,
vi, lynx, tin, and bitchx, I'll be rolling in clover.  Give me a good
draft mule to do the job.  They can keep the pretty Clydesdales.
Used to run a Playstation for games, because I was tired of
upgrading the computer every couple months.  I think the only reason
they have faster internet connections now, is so they can deluge you
with better looking spam. <laughs>  Jeez, I'm getting old fashioned. <grins>
     I don't plan on taking the synth anywhere at the moment.  I think
I'd rather do synthesis in software for the laptop.  Less stuff to tote
around, but I'm just getting into all this and don't really know what my
needs are going to be.  If I can get away with a pin drive for Win-Eyes,
maybe that'll be all I need to get someone else's system functional...if
that ever happens.  I don't know anyone else with a computer that lives
close-by.  You should see my system.  I still have one of those "under 
the monitor" power panels with a strip of toggle switches across the 
front.  Behind the monitor there three different extension cords that 
all the AC adapters are plugged into.  I like being able to switch off 
sound during a phone call, or the modem when Win-Eyes starts saying "App 
Starting" too many times to count.  I tried loc.gov the other day and 
Win-eyes must have said that 20 different apps had started.  Weird.  Got 
spooked and hit the master switch...shut it all down.  I don't care for 
Java and having my system running someone else's code.  I plan on 
preventing all that $#|+ with Linux.  They shouldn't be able to control 
anything but the currently active window.  Anything more is an invasion 
in my opinion.  It's also illegal here in California, by law...accessing 
or causing the access of data without permission.  Off topic.  I'll shut 
up...

         Michael

The advantages of NVDA was Re: Hello...

[Kirk Reiser]

Well, NVDA has a couple of advantages over JFW and WindowEyes.  One,
it is free as in freedom (not scientific) and beer.  Two, the source
is available so others can help extend and improve it.  Three it is
designed by blinks for blinks so doesn't waste any resources on
strictly visual effects.  Four, you don't have to depend on financial
assistance to be able to use it.  The list continues.

-- 

Kirk Reiser				The Computer Braille Facility
e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
phone: (519) 661-3061

Re: Hello...

[Gaijin]

Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
> works fine with bitchx.

     Thank you.  I figured it would, the way SpeakUp is programmed to 
work.  Still nice to have it verified.

         Michael

Re: Hello...

[Doug Sutherland]

Michael said:
I was thinking along the lines of the old Sound Blaster's "say" 
command for DOS, where you could have the computer say whatever.

With doubletalk, any text sent to the serial port will speak.
In linux you could do echo "hello" > /dev/tty0 or cat file.txt > /dev/tty0
but speakup will send everything on the console to speech anyways ...

If you want a "say" command you can make a script that does exactly
the same thing, accepting the text as input param and routing the input
to the serial port, or make a "sayfile" that does the same thing but 
accepting filename as input and doing cat within the script. 

  -- Doug

doubletalk LT (Re: Hello...)

[John Heim]

From: "Gaijin" <gaijin@clearwire.net>
>
>     Ahah!  That's two votes for the DoubleTalk LT.  Now maybe I'm not
> too worried about buying one.  I never could find some kind of "Consumer
> Report" on the things.


Make that 3 votes. I have both a doubletalk and a tripletalk. But lately, 
I've been using the doubletalk more than the  tripletalk. The tripletalk 
doesn't seem to work with the latest speakup-enabled version of the debian 
installer. The triple talk has some advantages over the doubletalk though. 
It  gets power through the USB port so you don't have to plug it into a wall 
socket. The doubletalk can use a battery but i would always forget to turn 
it off and the next thing I knew, the battery would be dead.

The tripletalk is also a little bit more solidly built. I had to send my 
doubletalk back to have the serial cable replaced. And now the headphone 
jack broke. It's true that the doubletalk has taken a beating the way i 
carry it around. I am always grabbing it and running up to somebody's office 
to fix their computer. But I do the same thing with the tripletalk and it 
still works.

Re: Hello...

[Littlefield, Tyler]

works fine with bitchx.
Thanks,
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gaijin" <gaijin@clearwire.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: Hello...


> Doug Sutherland wrote:
> > Doubletalk has commands. At the device level, as interpreted over 
> > the serial connection to the chipset, commands are embedded in 
> > the text stream, identified by a CTRL-A or ASCII character 01.
> 
>      Okay.  I get the picture.  Perfect...if SpeakUp doesn't complain. 
> Man, I love that interface.  Especially for laptop users.  Never did 
> care for mice, and like my fingers glued to the home-row on the 
> keyboard.  (asdf-jkl;)  The laptop config makes it even easier.  No 
> hunting for the notches on the F and J keys.  If Kirk and Andy weren't 
> such ugly looking women, I'd propose to 'em. <grins>  This is what a 
> screen reader !should! be.  Dunno if I've seen it in X though.  Oralux 
> kinda sounds like everything is in text mode, as far as the client list, 
> anyway.  A friend at CVALE (Central Valley Area Linux Enthusiasts) also 
> sent me a copy of Ubuntoo, I think.  Never got it working.
>      I was thinking along the lines of the old Sound Blaster's "say" 
> command for DOS, where you could have the computer say whatever.  Might 
> also be nice to feed the synth's output back into the microphone and 
> record things to mp3 or WAV format.  How well does SpeakUp work with 
> bitchx, do you know?  Hanging out on openprojects was another bad habit 
> i'd like to renew. <grins>  Thank you for the info.  You've all been an 
> enormous help.
> 
>          Michael
> 
> 
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Re: Hello...

[Littlefield, Tyler]

um. I would be.
I personally like speakup over jaws, and WE.,
You don't pay 200$ for... what was it once. 5 hotkeys. o_o

Thanks,
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hermann" <steppenwolf2@onlinehome.de>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 3:12 AM
Subject: Re: Hello...


> Do you really! want to convince anybody that prealpha software like NVDA 
> is comparable to a fully developped screen reader like Jaws or WE? I 
> can't believe it!
> Hermann
> 
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Re: Hello...

[Glenn Ervin]

Is there still a script, or patch, or whatever it is called, to have Jaws 
keyboard commands in SpeakUp?
That is the one thing that I really dislike about SpeakUp.
There was such a patch, but I don't know if it has been maintained to work 
with recent builds.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Littlefield, Tyler" <compgeek13@gmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: Hello...


um. I would be.
I personally like speakup over jaws, and WE.,
You don't pay 200$ for... what was it once. 5 hotkeys. o_o

Thanks,
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hermann" <steppenwolf2@onlinehome.de>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 3:12 AM
Subject: Re: Hello...


> Do you really! want to convince anybody that prealpha software like NVDA
> is comparable to a fully developped screen reader like Jaws or WE? I
> can't believe it!
> Hermann
>
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Re: HardWare Synthesizers

[Sean McMahon]

Right because MS assumes your helpless without it.  Linux and therefore speakup, 
assumes it is helpless without you.  Not that linux is helpless, but it can't 
really function without a user giving it instructions.  Windows always seems to 
find a way to defy user instructions.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hermann" <steppenwolf2@onlinehome.de>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 2:09 AM
Subject: Re: HardWare Synthesizers


> As Michael wrote, he runs a demo of WE, so he cannot sell it.
> But I agree that it isn't that terrible. I use it besides Jaws, because
> the access to Firefox is much better.
> BTW: I would be happy having spent so little time in setting up and
> configuring my Linux as I had to do with my diverse Windows *scnr*
> Hermann
>
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Re: Hello...

[Gaijin]

Doug Sutherland wrote:
> The beauty of unix, aside from the command line interface,
> is how everything is represented like a file. The power of 
> that is amazing with various redirect, pipe, and commands
> for search/replace/parse/etc along with powerful scripting.
> And the whole concept of the /proc filesystem is brilliant. 


     I was thinking of things like:

#!/bin/bash
lynx -d %1 > %1.html
for ( link in %1.links.deny ) do }
cat %1.html | sed 's/%link//g' > %1.temp
mv %1.temp %1.html
} done
lynx %1.html

     Yeah, my scripting sux after five years, but I'd use something like
the above to filter out all the google links I don't feel like wading
through.  Just need to keep a copy of links I wand sed to remove in a
file called, "www.google.com.links.deny".  Ain't that a mouthful.
<grins>  I've been wanting to use that script ever since I started using
Win-Eyes and had no choice but to tab through each and every link to get
to the edit box.  Yeah, there's probably a quicker way with the browse
mode keys, but I don't plan to keep using Windows...or anything else I
have little or no control over.
     Anyway, it sounds like the only place I found that sells the
DoubleTalk LT is no longer displaying it for sale.  Either that or
they're temporarily out of stock.  Story of my life, trying to get this
stinker running.  Can't believe I've been at it since  January...

         Michael

Re: doubletalk LT (Re: Hello...)

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 04:31:30AM -0800, Gaijin wrote:
> Hell, I can't even find the link to change my
> login passwords in the thing. <laughs>

Do you really want to know how to do that? If so, then e-mail me off
list, or reply affirming that to the list, and I'll send you
step-by-step instructions privately.

Greg


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Re: doubletalk LT (Re: Hello...)

[Kerry Hoath]

This is more a problem with machine timing than anything, try the following 
I need this with the new rom versions of the doubletalk as well:
speakup26 speakup_synth=ltlk speakup_ser=0 debconm/priority=low
The last is just my personal preference. If I force the port, I find the 
synth; I don't if not.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Heim" <jheim@math.wisc.edu>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 11:30 PM
Subject: doubletalk LT (Re: Hello...)


> From: "Gaijin" <gaijin@clearwire.net>
>>
>>     Ahah!  That's two votes for the DoubleTalk LT.  Now maybe I'm not
>> too worried about buying one.  I never could find some kind of "Consumer
>> Report" on the things.
>
>
> Make that 3 votes. I have both a doubletalk and a tripletalk. But lately,
> I've been using the doubletalk more than the  tripletalk. The tripletalk
> doesn't seem to work with the latest speakup-enabled version of the debian
> installer. The triple talk has some advantages over the doubletalk though.
> It  gets power through the USB port so you don't have to plug it into a 
> wall
> socket. The doubletalk can use a battery but i would always forget to turn
> it off and the next thing I knew, the battery would be dead.
>
> The tripletalk is also a little bit more solidly built. I had to send my
> doubletalk back to have the serial cable replaced. And now the headphone
> jack broke. It's true that the doubletalk has taken a beating the way i
> carry it around. I am always grabbing it and running up to somebody's 
> office
> to fix their computer. But I do the same thing with the tripletalk and it
> still works.
>
>
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Re: doubletalk LT (Re: Hello...)

[Zachary Kline]

Hello,
    I need this with Dectalk Express as well--of course, replace ltlk with 
dectlk.
Thanks,
Zack.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kerry Hoath" <kerry@gotss.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: doubletalk LT (Re: Hello...)


> This is more a problem with machine timing than anything, try the 
> following
> I need this with the new rom versions of the doubletalk as well:
> speakup26 speakup_synth=ltlk speakup_ser=0 debconm/priority=low
> The last is just my personal preference. If I force the port, I find the
> synth; I don't if not.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Heim" <jheim@math.wisc.edu>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 11:30 PM
> Subject: doubletalk LT (Re: Hello...)
>
>
>> From: "Gaijin" <gaijin@clearwire.net>
>>>
>>>     Ahah!  That's two votes for the DoubleTalk LT.  Now maybe I'm not
>>> too worried about buying one.  I never could find some kind of "Consumer
>>> Report" on the things.
>>
>>
>> Make that 3 votes. I have both a doubletalk and a tripletalk. But lately,
>> I've been using the doubletalk more than the  tripletalk. The tripletalk
>> doesn't seem to work with the latest speakup-enabled version of the 
>> debian
>> installer. The triple talk has some advantages over the doubletalk 
>> though.
>> It  gets power through the USB port so you don't have to plug it into a
>> wall
>> socket. The doubletalk can use a battery but i would always forget to 
>> turn
>> it off and the next thing I knew, the battery would be dead.
>>
>> The tripletalk is also a little bit more solidly built. I had to send my
>> doubletalk back to have the serial cable replaced. And now the headphone
>> jack broke. It's true that the doubletalk has taken a beating the way i
>> carry it around. I am always grabbing it and running up to somebody's
>> office
>> to fix their computer. But I do the same thing with the tripletalk and it
>> still works.
>>
>>
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Re: Hello...

[Gaijin]

Doug Sutherland wrote:
> DoubleTalk LT is listed on the order page here:

     I had to toggle on java script.  Stoopid website.  No reason in the 
world anyone needs to make my computer run anything just so I can enter 
my name and credit number.  It's definitely on its way now.

         Michael

Re: Hello...

[Doug Sutherland]

The beauty of unix, aside from the command line interface,
is how everything is represented like a file. The power of 
that is amazing with various redirect, pipe, and commands
for search/replace/parse/etc along with powerful scripting.
And the whole concept of the /proc filesystem is brilliant. 

Michael wrote:
 I can `cat file > /dev/dsp` to test the audio card

Re: Hello...

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 01:17:31PM -0800, Gaijin wrote:
>      Anyway, it sounds like the only place I found that sells the
> DoubleTalk LT is no longer displaying it for sale.  Either that or
> they're temporarily out of stock.

Yeah, it doesn't seem to be listed on the rc systems order page. I'd
give Randy, (RC Systems) a call Monday, and tell him you're interested
in buying one, and see what he tells you. If he's not selling them
anymore, (which would be a big shame), then I guess the trippletalk,
or the dectalk usb, (which does also have an rs232 port as far as I
know), are your only options for a new hardware synth.

Greg


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Re: Hello...

[Doug Sutherland]

DoubleTalk LT is listed on the order page here:
http://www.rcsys.com/order.htm

It says avail: in stock $279

Vm ware of fc or debian with gnome and speakup working?

[Jim Grimsby Jr.]

Well my extra box I use to play with linux is now dead and I can not afford
at this time to replace it.  So I thought I would run a distro as a
vm.before I did all the work of getting it on a vm though I thought I would
ask here if any one has maid a vmware package with speakup and gnome with
orca working.
I here ubumpto is nice also but never played with that. any help would be
greatly apresheated.

Re: Hello...

[Doug Sutherland]

Javascript, PDF, and Flash should be banned from web sites.
Either that or there should always be a text version available.

  -- Doug

Re: Hello...

[ace]

Hey, speaking of the DoubleTalk LT, is it true that they had a new chip 
installed in them in 2004?

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From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 2:30 AM
Subject: Re: Hello...


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> On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 01:17:31PM -0800, Gaijin wrote:
>>      Anyway, it sounds like the only place I found that sells the
>> DoubleTalk LT is no longer displaying it for sale.  Either that or
>> they're temporarily out of stock.
>
> Yeah, it doesn't seem to be listed on the rc systems order page. I'd
> give Randy, (RC Systems) a call Monday, and tell him you're interested
> in buying one, and see what he tells you. If he's not selling them
> anymore, (which would be a big shame), then I guess the trippletalk,
> or the dectalk usb, (which does also have an rs232 port as far as I
> know), are your only options for a new hardware synth.
>
> Greg
>
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Re: Hello...

[Alex Snow]

wishfull thinking...both javascript and pdf have their uses, but I'll 
agree with you on flash
On Sat, Jun 16, 2007 at 06:13:06AM -0500, Doug 
Sutherland wrote:
> Javascript, PDF, and Flash should be banned from web sites.
> Either that or there should always be a text version available.
> 
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Re: Hello...

[Gregory Nowak]

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Yet another web site I needed to boot into windblows for to fully use,
(sigh). I didn't see it on the order page using elinks/lynx the
cat. Sorry for the misinformation, I stand corrected.

Greg


On Sat, Jun 16, 2007 at 02:46:34AM -0500, Doug Sutherland wrote:
> DoubleTalk LT is listed on the order page here:
> http://www.rcsys.com/order.htm
> 
> It says avail: in stock $279
> 
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RE: Hello...

[Jim Grimsby Jr.]

Sorry there is no operating system called win blows that I know of.  I am
aware of Microsoft windows but not of this other operating system.  Where
might one get this  operating system?  What advantages if any?  If this is a
attempt to make fun of windows might I subjest that we refer to things by
there proper names! 
Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of Gregory Nowak
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 12:33 PM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: Hello...


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Yet another web site I needed to boot into windblows for to fully use,
(sigh). I didn't see it on the order page using elinks/lynx the cat. Sorry
for the misinformation, I stand corrected.

Greg


On Sat, Jun 16, 2007 at 02:46:34AM -0500, Doug Sutherland wrote:
> DoubleTalk LT is listed on the order page here: 
> http://www.rcsys.com/order.htm
> 
> It says avail: in stock $279
> 
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Re: Hello...

[Steve Holmes]

On Sat, Jun 16, 2007 at 01:52:00PM -0700, Jim Grimsby Jr. wrote:
> Sorry there is no operating system called win blows that I know of.  I am
> aware of Microsoft windows but not of this other operating system.  Where
> might one get this  operating system?  What advantages if any?  If this is a
> attempt to make fun of windows might I subjest that we refer to things by
> there proper names! 

The answer my friend is blowin' in the wind. <heheh>
-- 
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Re: Hello...

[Albert E. Sten-Clanton]

> Sorry there is no operating system called win blows that I know of.  I am
> aware of Microsoft windows but not of this other operating system.  Where
> might one get this  operating system?  What advantages if any?  If this is a
> attempt to make fun of windows might I subjest that we refer to things by
> there proper names! 

For purposes of truth-telling, Windblows IS the proper name.  I wish I'd been the one to come up with it!

Al

Re: Vm ware of fc or debian with gnome and speakup working?

[Kerry Hoath]

There are timing issues in vmware; basically you can only wind the clock up 
to 8192hz under Linux host os and 1024hz under Windows which can make 
millisecond timing flakey.
I had trouble getting festival working under vmware workstation 5.5, perhaps 
I was doing something wrong. We intend to try this sort of config for a 
course we are teaching.
I have tried installing fedora core 7 onto a vm; however the system crashes 
whilst "loading udev..." and won't boot further.
Debian etch had strange probems in vmware workstation 6, I intend to retry 
that and also workstation 5.5.
Regards, Kerry.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Grimsby Jr." <jimgrims@pacbell.net>
To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'" 
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 4:43 PM
Subject: Vm ware of fc or debian with gnome and speakup working?


> Well my extra box I use to play with linux is now dead and I can not 
> afford
> at this time to replace it.  So I thought I would run a distro as a
> vm.before I did all the work of getting it on a vm though I thought I 
> would
> ask here if any one has maid a vmware package with speakup and gnome with
> orca working.
> I here ubumpto is nice also but never played with that. any help would be
> greatly apresheated.
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