Running servers

Running servers

[Jes and guide dog Harley]

Hi all.
One of the reasons I want to run Linux is because I want to eventually be able to offer my own services to the outside world.
Services including mail, web, etc. I'm wondering if I should worry about what my ISP is going to think about this, or should I
even bother telling them at all. I'm afraid that if I do tell them they'll deactivate my account, which I think is obserd since
it's my computer and all they're doing is offering me my internet connection, so in my own mind, they should have no say, with
some exceptions, as to what I do with my internet. Obviously spam and other stuff they should have a say so, obviously don't send
it or we'll kick you off line. But as far as offering services and stuff, jeez. What's the big deal. Any thoughts?
Jes

Re: Running servers

[Deedra Waters]

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rr at least likes to block some ports depending on the section of their service area that you're in in other areas, you can lose your account for running some services

 A lot of the reasons that isps block ports like that is mainly do to problems withtrojans/exploits and also that they don't want you hosting web and mail because it takes away from their business.:p


On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, Jes and guide dog Harley wrote:

> Hi all.
> One of the reasons I want to run Linux is because I want to eventually be able to offer my own services to the outside world.
> Services including mail, web, etc. I'm wondering if I should worry about what my ISP is going to think about this, or should I
> even bother telling them at all. I'm afraid that if I do tell them they'll deactivate my account, which I think is obserd since
> it's my computer and all they're doing is offering me my internet connection, so in my own mind, they should have no say, with
> some exceptions, as to what I do with my internet. Obviously spam and other stuff they should have a say so, obviously don't send
> it or we'll kick you off line. But as far as offering services and stuff, jeez. What's the big deal. Any thoughts?
> Jes
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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Re: Running servers

[Alex Snow]

In my opinion the isp shouldn't have anything to do with 
viruses/trojans. that should be up to the end user. if the end-user is 
stupid and has no protection then too bad for them.
my isp closed someones account once because they had a trojan or 
somethin g. it turned out they didn't have one at all and my isp was 
just being lazy or someting.
they can't run a network. they just blocked icmp 'to save bandwidth'
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Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 09:30:36PM -0600, Deedra Waters wrote:
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> rr at least likes to block some ports depending on the section of their service area that you're in in other areas, you can lose your account for running some services
> 
>  A lot of the reasons that isps block ports like that is mainly do to problems withtrojans/exploits and also that they don't want you hosting web and mail because it takes away from their business.:p
> 
> 
> On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, Jes and guide dog Harley wrote:
> 
> > Hi all.
> > One of the reasons I want to run Linux is because I want to eventually be able to offer my own services to the outside world.
> > Services including mail, web, etc. I'm wondering if I should worry about what my ISP is going to think about this, or should I
> > even bother telling them at all. I'm afraid that if I do tell them they'll deactivate my account, which I think is obserd since
> > it's my computer and all they're doing is offering me my internet connection, so in my own mind, they should have no say, with
> > some exceptions, as to what I do with my internet. Obviously spam and other stuff they should have a say so, obviously don't send
> > it or we'll kick you off line. But as far as offering services and stuff, jeez. What's the big deal. Any thoughts?
> > Jes
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
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Re: Running servers

[Luke Davis]

What does their TOS state on the subject?

On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, Jes and guide dog Harley wrote:

> Hi all.
> One of the reasons I want to run Linux is because I want to eventually be able to offer my own services to the outside world.
> Services including mail, web, etc. I'm wondering if I should worry about what my ISP is going to think about this, or should I
> even bother telling them at all. I'm afraid that if I do tell them they'll deactivate my account, which I think is obserd since
> it's my computer and all they're doing is offering me my internet connection, so in my own mind, they should have no say, with
> some exceptions, as to what I do with my internet. Obviously spam and other stuff they should have a say so, obviously don't send
> it or we'll kick you off line. But as far as offering services and stuff, jeez. What's the big deal. Any thoughts?
> Jes
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Running servers

[Jes and guide dog Harley]

There what? Tos? What in heaven is that Luke?

Jes and Harley
Email: jesman598@triad.rr.com
Msn instant messenger: subman70@hotmail.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Luke Davis <ldavis@shellworld.net>
To: Jes and guide dog Harley <jesman598@triad.rr.com>; Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: Running servers


What does their TOS state on the subject?

On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, Jes and guide dog Harley wrote:

> Hi all.
> One of the reasons I want to run Linux is because I want to eventually be able to offer my own services to the outside world.
> Services including mail, web, etc. I'm wondering if I should worry about what my ISP is going to think about this, or should I
> even bother telling them at all. I'm afraid that if I do tell them they'll deactivate my account, which I think is obserd since
> it's my computer and all they're doing is offering me my internet connection, so in my own mind, they should have no say, with
> some exceptions, as to what I do with my internet. Obviously spam and other stuff they should have a say so, obviously don't
send
> it or we'll kick you off line. But as far as offering services and stuff, jeez. What's the big deal. Any thoughts?
> Jes
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

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Re: Running servers

[Gregory Nowak]

Terms of service.

Greg


On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 11:09:55PM -0500, Jes and guide dog Harley wrote:
> There what? Tos? What in heaven is that Luke?
> 
> Jes and Harley
> Email: jesman598@triad.rr.com
> Msn instant messenger: subman70@hotmail.com

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Re: Running servers

[Luke Davis]

On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, Jes and guide dog Harley wrote:

> There what? Tos? What in heaven is that Luke?

Terms Of Service.  That document to which you agreed, when you started,
and maintained your account.

Re: Running servers

[Gregory Nowak]

Some ISP's actually have more then one to which you need to agree
to. For example, there is the TOS, and a specific agreement for dsl
for example.

Greg


On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 10:31:59PM -0600, Luke Davis wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, Jes and guide dog Harley wrote:
> 
> > There what? Tos? What in heaven is that Luke?
> 
> Terms Of Service.  That document to which you agreed, when you started,
> and maintained your account.
> 
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Re: Running servers

[Joseph C. Lininger]

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TOS--Terms of service. The agreement you have to accept before they
will provide service to you.
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From: "Jes and guide dog Harley" <jesman598@triad.rr.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 9:09 PM
Subject: Re: Running servers


> There what? Tos? What in heaven is that Luke?
> 
> Jes and Harley
> Email: jesman598@triad.rr.com
> Msn instant messenger: subman70@hotmail.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Luke Davis <ldavis@shellworld.net>
> To: Jes and guide dog Harley <jesman598@triad.rr.com>; Speakup is a
> screen review system for Linux. <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent:
> Monday, December 01, 2003 10:56 PM
> Subject: Re: Running servers
> 
> 
> What does their TOS state on the subject?
> 
> On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, Jes and guide dog Harley wrote:
> 
> > Hi all.
> > One of the reasons I want to run Linux is because I want to
> > eventually be able to offer my own services to the outside world.
> > Services including mail, web, etc. I'm wondering if I should
> > worry about what my ISP is going to think about this, or should I
> > even bother telling them at all. I'm afraid that if I do tell
> > them they'll deactivate my account, which I think is obserd since
> > it's my computer and all they're doing is offering me my internet
> > connection, so in my own mind, they should have no say, with some
> > exceptions, as to what I do with my internet. Obviously spam and
> > other stuff they should have a say so, obviously don't 
> send
> > it or we'll kick you off line. But as far as offering services
> > and stuff, jeez. What's the big deal. Any thoughts? Jes
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
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Re: Running servers

[Alex Snow]

terms of serviceOn Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 11:09:55PM -0500, Jes and guide 
dog Harley wrote:
> There what? Tos? What in heaven is that Luke?
> 
> Jes and Harley
> Email: jesman598@triad.rr.com
> Msn instant messenger: subman70@hotmail.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Luke Davis <ldavis@shellworld.net>
> To: Jes and guide dog Harley <jesman598@triad.rr.com>; Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 10:56 PM
> Subject: Re: Running servers
> 
> 
> What does their TOS state on the subject?
> 
> On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, Jes and guide dog Harley wrote:
> 
> > Hi all.
> > One of the reasons I want to run Linux is because I want to eventually be able to offer my own services to the outside world.
> > Services including mail, web, etc. I'm wondering if I should worry about what my ISP is going to think about this, or should I
> > even bother telling them at all. I'm afraid that if I do tell them they'll deactivate my account, which I think is obserd since
> > it's my computer and all they're doing is offering me my internet connection, so in my own mind, they should have no say, with
> > some exceptions, as to what I do with my internet. Obviously spam and other stuff they should have a say so, obviously don't
> send
> > it or we'll kick you off line. But as far as offering services and stuff, jeez. What's the big deal. Any thoughts?
> > Jes
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
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Re: Running servers

[Rejean Proulx]

I suggest that you read your license agreement with your ISP  and keep
quiet.  Don't even talk about this stuff in public and leave well enough
alone.  They can kick you and a bunch of others out for life.  This is like
saying, I'm going to speed so I'd better let the cops know to see what they
think.

 Rejean Proulx
Visit my family at http://interfree.ca
MSN is: rejp@rogers.com
Ham License VA3REJ

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jes and guide dog Harley" <jesman598@triad.rr.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 10:27 PM
Subject: Running servers


> Hi all.
> One of the reasons I want to run Linux is because I want to eventually be
able to offer my own services to the outside world.
> Services including mail, web, etc. I'm wondering if I should worry about
what my ISP is going to think about this, or should I
> even bother telling them at all. I'm afraid that if I do tell them they'll
deactivate my account, which I think is obserd since
> it's my computer and all they're doing is offering me my internet
connection, so in my own mind, they should have no say, with
> some exceptions, as to what I do with my internet. Obviously spam and
other stuff they should have a say so, obviously don't send
> it or we'll kick you off line. But as far as offering services and stuff,
jeez. What's the big deal. Any thoughts?
> Jes
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Running servers

[Allan Shaw]

You had inquired about a router last week.
Well I spoke with my contact and he can get the router you indicated and 
has informed me that it is $449.00 not including taxes CDN.
If your interested you can write me privately and let me know where about 
you live etc., and we can see what we can do for you.

At 05:41 12/2/03, you wrote:
>I suggest that you read your license agreement with your ISP  and keep
>quiet.  Don't even talk about this stuff in public and leave well enough
>alone.  They can kick you and a bunch of others out for life.  This is like
>saying, I'm going to speed so I'd better let the cops know to see what they
>think.
>
>  Rejean Proulx
>Visit my family at http://interfree.ca
>MSN is: rejp@rogers.com
>Ham License VA3REJ
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jes and guide dog Harley" <jesman598@triad.rr.com>
>To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 10:27 PM
>Subject: Running servers
>
>
> > Hi all.
> > One of the reasons I want to run Linux is because I want to eventually be
>able to offer my own services to the outside world.
> > Services including mail, web, etc. I'm wondering if I should worry about
>what my ISP is going to think about this, or should I
> > even bother telling them at all. I'm afraid that if I do tell them they'll
>deactivate my account, which I think is obserd since
> > it's my computer and all they're doing is offering me my internet
>connection, so in my own mind, they should have no say, with
> > some exceptions, as to what I do with my internet. Obviously spam and
>other stuff they should have a say so, obviously don't send
> > it or we'll kick you off line. But as far as offering services and stuff,
>jeez. What's the big deal. Any thoughts?
> > Jes
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
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Re: Running servers

[Rejean Proulx]

Thanks for checking.  I can get it at the same price locally.  I appreciate
you checking because I had a hard time finding someone to supply it.

 Rejean Proulx
Visit my family at http://interfree.ca
MSN is: rejp@rogers.com
Ham License VA3REJ

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Allan Shaw" <technews@sympatico.ca>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: Running servers


>
> You had inquired about a router last week.
> Well I spoke with my contact and he can get the router you indicated and
> has informed me that it is $449.00 not including taxes CDN.
> If your interested you can write me privately and let me know where about
> you live etc., and we can see what we can do for you.
>
> At 05:41 12/2/03, you wrote:
> >I suggest that you read your license agreement with your ISP  and keep
> >quiet.  Don't even talk about this stuff in public and leave well enough
> >alone.  They can kick you and a bunch of others out for life.  This is
like
> >saying, I'm going to speed so I'd better let the cops know to see what
they
> >think.
> >
> >  Rejean Proulx
> >Visit my family at http://interfree.ca
> >MSN is: rejp@rogers.com
> >Ham License VA3REJ
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Jes and guide dog Harley" <jesman598@triad.rr.com>
> >To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> >Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 10:27 PM
> >Subject: Running servers
> >
> >
> > > Hi all.
> > > One of the reasons I want to run Linux is because I want to eventually
be
> >able to offer my own services to the outside world.
> > > Services including mail, web, etc. I'm wondering if I should worry
about
> >what my ISP is going to think about this, or should I
> > > even bother telling them at all. I'm afraid that if I do tell them
they'll
> >deactivate my account, which I think is obserd since
> > > it's my computer and all they're doing is offering me my internet
> >connection, so in my own mind, they should have no say, with
> > > some exceptions, as to what I do with my internet. Obviously spam and
> >other stuff they should have a say so, obviously don't send
> > > it or we'll kick you off line. But as far as offering services and
stuff,
> >jeez. What's the big deal. Any thoughts?
> > > Jes
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
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> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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>
>
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Re: Running servers

[Gregory Nowak]

Even though this list is publicly accessible, I have a hard time
believing his ISP would be monitoring it just because he's on it. I
also don't see how his actions could result in others being kicked out
for life out of I'm not even sure what, net access, this list?

Greg


On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 05:41:11AM -0500, Rejean Proulx wrote:
> I suggest that you read your license agreement with your ISP  and keep
> quiet.  Don't even talk about this stuff in public and leave well enough
> alone.  They can kick you and a bunch of others out for life.  This is like
> saying, I'm going to speed so I'd better let the cops know to see what they
> think.
> 
>  Rejean Proulx
> Visit my family at http://interfree.ca
> MSN is: rejp@rogers.com
> Ham License VA3REJ
> 

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Re: Running servers

[Alex Snow]

I don't know any isp who gives enough of a damn to monitor the user's 
list traffic to figure out if they are running servers. I don't 
believe there's any reason why you shouldn't talk about this in 
public.
I mean I could see not calling up your isp and saying "hi. I'm going 
to run a server..."
On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 09:32:23AM -0600, Gregory 
Nowak wrote:
> Even though this list is publicly accessible, I have a hard time
> believing his ISP would be monitoring it just because he's on it. I
> also don't see how his actions could result in others being kicked out
> for life out of I'm not even sure what, net access, this list?
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 05:41:11AM -0500, Rejean Proulx wrote:
> > I suggest that you read your license agreement with your ISP  and keep
> > quiet.  Don't even talk about this stuff in public and leave well enough
> > alone.  They can kick you and a bunch of others out for life.  This is like
> > saying, I'm going to speed so I'd better let the cops know to see what they
> > think.
> > 
> >  Rejean Proulx
> > Visit my family at http://interfree.ca
> > MSN is: rejp@rogers.com
> > Ham License VA3REJ
> > 
> 
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Re: Running servers

[showell]

Yeah call them up and they'll have a good laugh. Really the only way 
they'd know is port scanning and I'm sure most do that and not a lot 
more. You could of course run services on other ports, but that is a 
drag. Gee I wonder what server I could run on some odd port and see how 
long it would take before they told me I was being naughty and to 
stop.<grin> Might not be a bad test. Any thoughts?

Scott

Re: Running servers

[Rejean Proulx]

You took what I said a little too seriously, which is common on this list.
I meant that if you run a server, the less said the better, that way you
don't get caught.

 Rejean Proulx
Visit my family at http://interfree.ca
MSN is: rejp@rogers.com
Ham License VA3REJ

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: Running servers


> Even though this list is publicly accessible, I have a hard time
> believing his ISP would be monitoring it just because he's on it. I
> also don't see how his actions could result in others being kicked out
> for life out of I'm not even sure what, net access, this list?
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 05:41:11AM -0500, Rejean Proulx wrote:
> > I suggest that you read your license agreement with your ISP  and keep
> > quiet.  Don't even talk about this stuff in public and leave well enough
> > alone.  They can kick you and a bunch of others out for life.  This is
like
> > saying, I'm going to speed so I'd better let the cops know to see what
they
> > think.
> >
> >  Rejean Proulx
> > Visit my family at http://interfree.ca
> > MSN is: rejp@rogers.com
> > Ham License VA3REJ
> >
>
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Re: Running servers

[Gregory Nowak]

Well, if I'm going to run a server (which is the case), I'd let my ISP
know before I start (which is also the case), rather then be running a
server, have my isp find out, and terminate my account, suddenly
leaving my domain in the lurch.

Greg


On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 06:29:36PM -0500, Rejean Proulx wrote:
> You took what I said a little too seriously, which is common on this list.
> I meant that if you run a server, the less said the better, that way you
> don't get caught.
> 
>  Rejean Proulx
> Visit my family at http://interfree.ca
> MSN is: rejp@rogers.com
> Ham License VA3REJ
> 

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Re: Running servers

[Alex Snow]

what isp? my isp claims that you can't run servers and blocks all the 
common ports. However I still offer web and a telnet bbs and they 
obviously dont care since i've been running for like a year.
On 
Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 10:27:07PM -0500, Jes and guide dog Harley wrote:
> Hi all.
> One of the reasons I want to run Linux is because I want to eventually be able to offer my own services to the outside world.
> Services including mail, web, etc. I'm wondering if I should worry about what my ISP is going to think about this, or should I
> even bother telling them at all. I'm afraid that if I do tell them they'll deactivate my account, which I think is obserd since
> it's my computer and all they're doing is offering me my internet connection, so in my own mind, they should have no say, with
> some exceptions, as to what I do with my internet. Obviously spam and other stuff they should have a say so, obviously don't send
> it or we'll kick you off line. But as far as offering services and stuff, jeez. What's the big deal. Any thoughts?
> Jes
> 
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Re: Running servers

[Allan Shaw]

... You should start by reading the service agreement and policy under 
which your ISP agrees to provide you with your service.  some ISP's specify 
that you can't run any servers whether its an http, ftp, mail etc.  Other 
ISP's block certain ports which can prevent you from effectively running 
different services.

Remember, your buying a service and with many services there are conditions 
to there use.

At 22:27 12/1/03, you wrote:
>Hi all.
>One of the reasons I want to run Linux is because I want to eventually be 
>able to offer my own services to the outside world.
>Services including mail, web, etc. I'm wondering if I should worry about 
>what my ISP is going to think about this, or should I
>even bother telling them at all. I'm afraid that if I do tell them they'll 
>deactivate my account, which I think is obserd since
>it's my computer and all they're doing is offering me my internet 
>connection, so in my own mind, they should have no say, with
>some exceptions, as to what I do with my internet. Obviously spam and 
>other stuff they should have a say so, obviously don't send
>it or we'll kick you off line. But as far as offering services and stuff, 
>jeez. What's the big deal. Any thoughts?
>Jes
>
>
>
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Re: Running servers

[Sean McMahon]

offering services is e3asier if you have a static ip.  With dhcp it's
possable but you have to keep ontop of it with the place that registers your
domain.  Don't tell them of course.  If you're sending this msg from your
isp account they may already know your plans.
 ps.  Anyone know how to reply to the message author only with this list?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jes and guide dog Harley" <jesman598@triad.rr.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 8:27 PM
Subject: Running servers


> Hi all.
> One of the reasons I want to run Linux is because I want to eventually be
able to offer my own services to the outside world.
> Services including mail, web, etc. I'm wondering if I should worry about
what my ISP is going to think about this, or should I
> even bother telling them at all. I'm afraid that if I do tell them they'll
deactivate my account, which I think is obserd since
> it's my computer and all they're doing is offering me my internet
connection, so in my own mind, they should have no say, with
> some exceptions, as to what I do with my internet. Obviously spam and
other stuff they should have a say so, obviously don't send
> it or we'll kick you off line. But as far as offering services and stuff,
jeez. What's the big deal. Any thoughts?
> Jes
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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Re: Running servers

[Rejean Proulx]

A good vendor for dynamic IPs is  www.easydns.com  You can get a domain for
10 years for 300 bucks and I never have any problems with there servers.
They collect your mail if your server craps out and keep it for 5 days.  It
is an excellent service.

 Rejean Proulx
Visit my family at http://interfree.ca
MSN is: rejp@rogers.com
Ham License VA3REJ

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sean McMahon" <smcmahon@usgs.gov>
To: "Jes and guide dog Harley" <jesman598@triad.rr.com>; "Speakup is a
screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: Running servers


> offering services is e3asier if you have a static ip.  With dhcp it's
> possable but you have to keep ontop of it with the place that registers
your
> domain.  Don't tell them of course.  If you're sending this msg from your
> isp account they may already know your plans.
>  ps.  Anyone know how to reply to the message author only with this list?
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jes and guide dog Harley" <jesman598@triad.rr.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 8:27 PM
> Subject: Running servers
>
>
> > Hi all.
> > One of the reasons I want to run Linux is because I want to eventually
be
> able to offer my own services to the outside world.
> > Services including mail, web, etc. I'm wondering if I should worry about
> what my ISP is going to think about this, or should I
> > even bother telling them at all. I'm afraid that if I do tell them
they'll
> deactivate my account, which I think is obserd since
> > it's my computer and all they're doing is offering me my internet
> connection, so in my own mind, they should have no say, with
> > some exceptions, as to what I do with my internet. Obviously spam and
> other stuff they should have a say so, obviously don't send
> > it or we'll kick you off line. But as far as offering services and
stuff,
> jeez. What's the big deal. Any thoughts?
> > Jes
> >
> >
> >
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> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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Re: Running servers

[Luke Davis]

Three hundred?  That's like majorly high.  Without any bulk discount, our
highest price for ten years, is $119.50.  Even using other providers
charging $15, etc., per year, three hundred would be seen as high--thirty
bucks a year for a domain, is simply way too high.

Now, if they provide twenty bucks worth of additional service per year,
lumpped in with that, it's a different story, but you don't mention
whether the three hundred includes that.

 Luke

 On Tue, 2 Dec 2003, Rejean Proulx wrote:

> A good vendor for dynamic IPs is  www.easydns.com  You can get a domain for
> 10 years for 300 bucks and I never have any problems with there servers.
> They collect your mail if your server craps out and keep it for 5 days.  It
> is an excellent service.
>
>  Rejean Proulx
> Visit my family at http://interfree.ca
> MSN is: rejp@rogers.com
> Ham License VA3REJ
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sean McMahon" <smcmahon@usgs.gov>
> To: "Jes and guide dog Harley" <jesman598@triad.rr.com>; "Speakup is a
> screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 12:04 PM
> Subject: Re: Running servers
>
>
> > offering services is e3asier if you have a static ip.  With dhcp it's
> > possable but you have to keep ontop of it with the place that registers
> your
> > domain.  Don't tell them of course.  If you're sending this msg from your
> > isp account they may already know your plans.
> >  ps.  Anyone know how to reply to the message author only with this list?
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jes and guide dog Harley" <jesman598@triad.rr.com>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 8:27 PM
> > Subject: Running servers
> >
> >
> > > Hi all.
> > > One of the reasons I want to run Linux is because I want to eventually
> be
> > able to offer my own services to the outside world.
> > > Services including mail, web, etc. I'm wondering if I should worry about
> > what my ISP is going to think about this, or should I
> > > even bother telling them at all. I'm afraid that if I do tell them
> they'll
> > deactivate my account, which I think is obserd since
> > > it's my computer and all they're doing is offering me my internet
> > connection, so in my own mind, they should have no say, with
> > > some exceptions, as to what I do with my internet. Obviously spam and
> > other stuff they should have a say so, obviously don't send
> > > it or we'll kick you off line. But as far as offering services and
> stuff,
> > jeez. What's the big deal. Any thoughts?
> > > Jes
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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> >
> >
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Re: Running servers

[Rejean Proulx]

The 300 includes providing service for your dynamic dns so you can associate
your dynamic ip with the domain, so it is a reasonable price when you
consider that for that price they look after your mail when you crap out.

 Rejean Proulx
Visit my family at http://interfree.ca
MSN is: rejp@rogers.com
Ham License VA3REJ

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Davis" <ldavis@shellworld.net>
To: <Speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: Running servers


> Three hundred?  That's like majorly high.  Without any bulk discount, our
> highest price for ten years, is $119.50.  Even using other providers
> charging $15, etc., per year, three hundred would be seen as high--thirty
> bucks a year for a domain, is simply way too high.
>
> Now, if they provide twenty bucks worth of additional service per year,
> lumpped in with that, it's a different story, but you don't mention
> whether the three hundred includes that.
>
>  Luke
>
>  On Tue, 2 Dec 2003, Rejean Proulx wrote:
>
> > A good vendor for dynamic IPs is  www.easydns.com  You can get a domain
for
> > 10 years for 300 bucks and I never have any problems with there servers.
> > They collect your mail if your server craps out and keep it for 5 days.
It
> > is an excellent service.
> >
> >  Rejean Proulx
> > Visit my family at http://interfree.ca
> > MSN is: rejp@rogers.com
> > Ham License VA3REJ
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sean McMahon" <smcmahon@usgs.gov>
> > To: "Jes and guide dog Harley" <jesman598@triad.rr.com>; "Speakup is a
> > screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 12:04 PM
> > Subject: Re: Running servers
> >
> >
> > > offering services is e3asier if you have a static ip.  With dhcp it's
> > > possable but you have to keep ontop of it with the place that
registers
> > your
> > > domain.  Don't tell them of course.  If you're sending this msg from
your
> > > isp account they may already know your plans.
> > >  ps.  Anyone know how to reply to the message author only with this
list?
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jes and guide dog Harley" <jesman598@triad.rr.com>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 8:27 PM
> > > Subject: Running servers
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi all.
> > > > One of the reasons I want to run Linux is because I want to
eventually
> > be
> > > able to offer my own services to the outside world.
> > > > Services including mail, web, etc. I'm wondering if I should worry
about
> > > what my ISP is going to think about this, or should I
> > > > even bother telling them at all. I'm afraid that if I do tell them
> > they'll
> > > deactivate my account, which I think is obserd since
> > > > it's my computer and all they're doing is offering me my internet
> > > connection, so in my own mind, they should have no say, with
> > > > some exceptions, as to what I do with my internet. Obviously spam
and
> > > other stuff they should have a say so, obviously don't send
> > > > it or we'll kick you off line. But as far as offering services and
> > stuff,
> > > jeez. What's the big deal. Any thoughts?
> > > > Jes
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
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Re: Running servers

[Joseph C. Lininger]

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First of all I agree with you. That being said, you need to check
with your ISP to see what they allow and don't. In particular, many
cable providers specifically state that you can't run servers in your
service agreement. If you do so, they will kick you off. However,
your milage will very by ISP.
- ---
Joseph C. Lininger
jbahm@pcdesk.net
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jes and guide dog Harley" <jesman598@triad.rr.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 8:27 PM
Subject: Running servers


> Hi all.
> One of the reasons I want to run Linux is because I want to
> eventually be able to offer my own services to the outside world.
> Services including mail, web, etc. I'm wondering if I should worry
> about what my ISP is going to think about this, or should I even
> bother telling them at all. I'm afraid that if I do tell them
> they'll deactivate my account, which I think is obserd since it's
> my computer and all they're doing is offering me my internet
> connection, so in my own mind, they should have no say, with some
> exceptions, as to what I do with my internet. Obviously spam and
> other stuff they should have a say so, obviously don't send it or
> we'll kick you off line. But as far as offering services and stuff,
> jeez. What's the big deal. Any thoughts? Jes
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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