speed question

speed question

[Gregory Nowak]

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Hi all.

I've been wondering about this for a while now, and thought I'd get
some input on it.

I'm on a ADSL connection, and my downstream speed is supposed to be
1536 KbpS, and my upstream is supposed to be 128 KbpS. My network
setup is
as follows. The ADSL modem is connected to my server which is a pIII
600 MHz, with 384 Mb of ram. Other machines on my LAN have access to
the internet via iptables on the server. My second ethernet interface
on the server is connected to a 100 MbpS switch, which all the other
boxes are connected to. All the network cards in all my boxes are 100
MbpS.

I've noticed that when downloading things with lynx the cat on my
server, the highest download speed I ever got was 170 Kbps, the lowest
was about 20 KbpS, but on average, download speeds are about 150
KbPs. Thinking that the speed should be higher, I ran a speed test at
dslspeedtest.com using my windblows box (the test didn't work with
lynx/links), with the windblows box connection going through the
switch, which is connected to the server machine. The test told me
that my speed is about 700 KbpS. I then plugged the ADSL modem
directly into the windblows box, made sure my ie cache was cleaned
out, and tried the test again. This time around, I was told my speed
was 1 MbpS.

My question is, with the downstream speed I mentioned earlier, should
I be able to get downloads on the machine connected to the ADSL modem
at 170 KbpS max, or should they be higher then that? Thanks.

Greg


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Re: speed question

[Thomas Stivers]

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On Jun 19 2004  4:08 PM, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> I've noticed that when downloading things with lynx the cat on my
> server, the highest download speed I ever got was 170 Kbps, the lowest
> was about 20 KbpS, but on average, download speeds are about 150
> KbPs. Thinking that the speed should be higher, I ran a speed test at

I think you may need to sort out acronyms. I believe kbps typically
means killobits per second, whereas kb/s typically means kilobytes per
second. There are 8 kilobits in a kilobyte, therefore 170 kb/s = 1360
kbps. Hopefully I am not just talking out my ass and I am remembering
this stuff correctly. 

HTH

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by definition, not smart enough to debug it." - Brian W. Kernighan

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RE: speed question

[Joe Clever]

Gregory,

I have a few observations, rather than an answer to your question.
Make sure everyone is clear about the units of measurement you are
reporting.  Often there is confusion over kilobytes per second and
kilobits per second. Windows applications often report in kilobytes
per second. Often you can not rely on the way they capitalize the
abbreviations for kilobits and kilobytes. This can lead to speeds
looking like they are off by a factor of ten or so.

There doesn't appear to be anything in your hardware that should limit
your speed, other than your ADSL cap. My router/firewall based on a
486DX100 with 10 Mbps ISA cards and running the 2.4.xx kernel, seems
to easily handle my 3 Mbps cable modem connection.

The speed test sites vary wildly in the numbers that they report. Your
bits are traversing a path that you have little control over, so there
can be any number of bottlenecks between your server and the test
server. You will get the most consistent and accurate results if you
can transfer a large file between one of your ISP's servers (hopefully
located nearby, with few hops) and your server.

If you are running PPPoE, that can have pretty severe overhead, from
what I have read.



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Subject: speed question


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Hi all.

I've been wondering about this for a while now, and thought I'd get
some input on it.

I'm on a ADSL connection, and my downstream speed is supposed to be
1536 KbpS, and my upstream is supposed to be 128 KbpS. My network
setup is
as follows. The ADSL modem is connected to my server which is a pIII
600 MHz, with 384 Mb of ram. Other machines on my LAN have access to
the internet via iptables on the server. My second ethernet interface
on the server is connected to a 100 MbpS switch, which all the other
boxes are connected to. All the network cards in all my boxes are 100
MbpS.

I've noticed that when downloading things with lynx the cat on my
server, the highest download speed I ever got was 170 Kbps, the lowest
was about 20 KbpS, but on average, download speeds are about 150
KbPs. Thinking that the speed should be higher, I ran a speed test at
dslspeedtest.com using my windblows box (the test didn't work with
lynx/links), with the windblows box connection going through the
switch, which is connected to the server machine. The test told me
that my speed is about 700 KbpS. I then plugged the ADSL modem
directly into the windblows box, made sure my ie cache was cleaned
out, and tried the test again. This time around, I was told my speed
was 1 MbpS.

My question is, with the downstream speed I mentioned earlier, should
I be able to get downloads on the machine connected to the ADSL modem
at 170 KbpS max, or should they be higher then that? Thanks.

Greg


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Re: speed question

[Gregory Nowak]

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Thanks. I was always under the impression that KbpS and Kb/S were both
interchangeable, and stood for Kilobytes per second.

I notice that lynx the cat reports download speeds in Kb/s, while the
statistics page of my ADSL modem reports the speed in KbpS. Knowing
that they're both different, and that one is Kilobits, while the other
is Kilobytes, 1360 KbPs is a lot closer to 1536 KbpS. Doing some
calculations shows me that I should be getting 192 Kb/S max, but I
suppose I should take into account the bandwidth of other machines,
and the latency of the net in general.

Greg


On Sat, Jun 19, 2004 at 05:47:39PM -0500, Thomas Stivers wrote:
> I think you may need to sort out acronyms. I believe kbps typically
> means killobits per second, whereas kb/s typically means kilobytes per
> second. There are 8 kilobits in a kilobyte, therefore 170 kb/s = 1360
> kbps. Hopefully I am not just talking out my ass and I am remembering
> this stuff correctly. 
> 
> HTH
> 
> -- 
> "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
> Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are,
> by definition, not smart enough to debug it." - Brian W. Kernighan
> 
> Thomas Stivers	e-mail: stivers_t@tomass.dyndns.org
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RE: speed question

[Erik Heil]

Actually, PPP/oe doesn't have a lot of overhead.  When I used to live in 
New York, we have Sprint FastConnect dSL which was a PPPOe shop.  Their 
was absolutely no overhead at all.  I saw transfer rates like 700 or so 
KBps.

Re: speed question

[Jayson Smith]

Another thing to consider is the bandwidth of every computer between your
machine and the destination machine.  Obviously you're only going to get a
download as fast as the slowest computer between you and the remote system.
In other words, a chain is only as strong as its weakest link.  Even if
you're downloading from a well-known, fast site, if for some stupid reason
some server in the middle was running off a 14.4 modem, your download will
proceed at 14.4 speed or less, no matter how fast your connection or that of
the remote site is.
Jayson.

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From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: speed question


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> Thanks. I was always under the impression that KbpS and Kb/S were both
> interchangeable, and stood for Kilobytes per second.
>
> I notice that lynx the cat reports download speeds in Kb/s, while the
> statistics page of my ADSL modem reports the speed in KbpS. Knowing
> that they're both different, and that one is Kilobits, while the other
> is Kilobytes, 1360 KbPs is a lot closer to 1536 KbpS. Doing some
> calculations shows me that I should be getting 192 Kb/S max, but I
> suppose I should take into account the bandwidth of other machines,
> and the latency of the net in general.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 19, 2004 at 05:47:39PM -0500, Thomas Stivers wrote:
> > I think you may need to sort out acronyms. I believe kbps typically
> > means killobits per second, whereas kb/s typically means kilobytes per
> > second. There are 8 kilobits in a kilobyte, therefore 170 kb/s = 1360
> > kbps. Hopefully I am not just talking out my ass and I am remembering
> > this stuff correctly.
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > --
> > "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
> > Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are,
> > by definition, not smart enough to debug it." - Brian W. Kernighan
> >
> > Thomas Stivers e-mail: stivers_t@tomass.dyndns.org
> >
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Archos And Rock Box

[Richard Wells]

Hello,

This is unashamedly off topic, but I am desperate! There has been some
discussion here of Archos MP3 Players and Rock Box that makes them talk. I
just purchased an Archos Gemini 120 MP3 player/recorder. Does anyone on this
list know if Rock Box will work on this equipment? If so, would you be
willing to write me off list and help me get this working? I would be glad
to call you on the phone for guidance here. So far, I have downloaded the
Rock Box 2.2 software, unzipped it on the Archos Gemini 120 player/recorder
and restarted the machine with no speech being heard. Do I need to return
this equipment? Did I download the incorrect software? Any and all help is
much appreciated.

Re: speed question

[Joseph C. Lininger]

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I have a 1.5 MBPS connection, and that's about what I get. That's about 
right for the speed you specified 1536 KBPS. You see the speeds of internet 
connections are measured in kilobits, and the speeds reported by wget and 
the like are in kilobytes. If you divide 1536 by 8, you get 192 which is 
pretty close to 170 as far as transfer speeds are concerned. The other 20 or 
so probably accounts for protocol packets and stuff which is not counted in 
the measurement. That, and you will only get the maximum speed when 
conditions are optimal.
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Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 3:08 PM
Subject: speed question


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> Hi all.
>
> I've been wondering about this for a while now, and thought I'd get
> some input on it.
>
> I'm on a ADSL connection, and my downstream speed is supposed to be
> 1536 KbpS, and my upstream is supposed to be 128 KbpS. My network
> setup is
> as follows. The ADSL modem is connected to my server which is a pIII
> 600 MHz, with 384 Mb of ram. Other machines on my LAN have access to
> the internet via iptables on the server. My second ethernet interface
> on the server is connected to a 100 MbpS switch, which all the other
> boxes are connected to. All the network cards in all my boxes are 100
> MbpS.
>
> I've noticed that when downloading things with lynx the cat on my
> server, the highest download speed I ever got was 170 Kbps, the lowest
> was about 20 KbpS, but on average, download speeds are about 150
> KbPs. Thinking that the speed should be higher, I ran a speed test at
> dslspeedtest.com using my windblows box (the test didn't work with
> lynx/links), with the windblows box connection going through the
> switch, which is connected to the server machine. The test told me
> that my speed is about 700 KbpS. I then plugged the ADSL modem
> directly into the windblows box, made sure my ie cache was cleaned
> out, and tried the test again. This time around, I was told my speed
> was 1 MbpS.
>
> My question is, with the downstream speed I mentioned earlier, should
> I be able to get downloads on the machine connected to the ADSL modem
> at 170 KbpS max, or should they be higher then that? Thanks.
>
> Greg
>
>
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Re: speed question

[Joseph C. Lininger]

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You are not entirely wrong that the terms are used interchangably. Some 
programs report kilobytes as KBPS instead of KB/S even though it is 
confusing. Just keep in mind that most of the time when talking about 
bandwidth the measurement is in bits, and in most other cases the 
measurement is in bytes.
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Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: speed question


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> Thanks. I was always under the impression that KbpS and Kb/S were both
> interchangeable, and stood for Kilobytes per second.
>
> I notice that lynx the cat reports download speeds in Kb/s, while the
> statistics page of my ADSL modem reports the speed in KbpS. Knowing
> that they're both different, and that one is Kilobits, while the other
> is Kilobytes, 1360 KbPs is a lot closer to 1536 KbpS. Doing some
> calculations shows me that I should be getting 192 Kb/S max, but I
> suppose I should take into account the bandwidth of other machines,
> and the latency of the net in general.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 19, 2004 at 05:47:39PM -0500, Thomas Stivers wrote:
>> I think you may need to sort out acronyms. I believe kbps typically
>> means killobits per second, whereas kb/s typically means kilobytes per
>> second. There are 8 kilobits in a kilobyte, therefore 170 kb/s = 1360
>> kbps. Hopefully I am not just talking out my ass and I am remembering
>> this stuff correctly.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> -- 
>> "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
>> Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are,
>> by definition, not smart enough to debug it." - Brian W. Kernighan
>>
>> Thomas Stivers e-mail: stivers_t@tomass.dyndns.org
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: Archos And Rock Box

[Joseph C. Lininger]

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As far as I know, rockbox only works on the archos jukebox player, recorder, 
and fm recorder. There are different versions to be downloaded depending on 
which version of the jukebox you have.
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Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 8:50 PM
Subject: Archos And Rock Box


> Hello,
>
> This is unashamedly off topic, but I am desperate! There has been some
> discussion here of Archos MP3 Players and Rock Box that makes them talk. I
> just purchased an Archos Gemini 120 MP3 player/recorder. Does anyone on 
> this
> list know if Rock Box will work on this equipment? If so, would you be
> willing to write me off list and help me get this working? I would be glad
> to call you on the phone for guidance here. So far, I have downloaded the
> Rock Box 2.2 software, unzipped it on the Archos Gemini 120 
> player/recorder
> and restarted the machine with no speech being heard. Do I need to return
> this equipment? Did I download the incorrect software? Any and all help is
> much appreciated.
>
>
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Re: Archos And Rock Box

[Glenn Ervin at Home]

Did you download the English.voice file, and put it into the \.rockbox\lang
directory?
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Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 8:50 PM
Subject: Archos And Rock Box


> Hello,
>
> This is unashamedly off topic, but I am desperate! There has been some
> discussion here of Archos MP3 Players and Rock Box that makes them talk. I
> just purchased an Archos Gemini 120 MP3 player/recorder. Does anyone on
> this
> list know if Rock Box will work on this equipment? If so, would you be
> willing to write me off list and help me get this working? I would be glad
> to call you on the phone for guidance here. So far, I have downloaded the
> Rock Box 2.2 software, unzipped it on the Archos Gemini 120
> player/recorder
> and restarted the machine with no speech being heard. Do I need to return
> this equipment? Did I download the incorrect software? Any and all help is
> much appreciated.
>
>
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Re: Archos And Rock Box

[Richard Wells]

This is definitely the Archos Jukebox. I just have to figure out what
software I need and how to install it. There has to be more to it than
unzipping it.


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Subject: Re: Archos And Rock Box



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As far as I know, rockbox only works on the archos jukebox player, recorder,
and fm recorder. There are different versions to be downloaded depending on
which version of the jukebox you have.
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Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 8:50 PM
Subject: Archos And Rock Box


> Hello,
>
> This is unashamedly off topic, but I am desperate! There has been some
> discussion here of Archos MP3 Players and Rock Box that makes them talk. I
> just purchased an Archos Gemini 120 MP3 player/recorder. Does anyone on
> this
> list know if Rock Box will work on this equipment? If so, would you be
> willing to write me off list and help me get this working? I would be glad
> to call you on the phone for guidance here. So far, I have downloaded the
> Rock Box 2.2 software, unzipped it on the Archos Gemini 120
> player/recorder
> and restarted the machine with no speech being heard. Do I need to return
> this equipment? Did I download the incorrect software? Any and all help is
> much appreciated.
>
>
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Re: Archos And Rock Box

[Richard Wells]

I Have no idea what we downloaded. It just said Rock Box 2.2 and it was a
zip file. All the instructions said to do was to unzip it to the root
directory on the Jukebox which we did. My wife is attempting to help me
through this process. I really need guidance on what I need with this Gemini
120.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glenn Ervin at Home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: Archos And Rock Box


Did you download the English.voice file, and put it into the \.rockbox\lang
directory?
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Wells" <richwels@bupster.cjb.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 8:50 PM
Subject: Archos And Rock Box


> Hello,
>
> This is unashamedly off topic, but I am desperate! There has been some
> discussion here of Archos MP3 Players and Rock Box that makes them talk. I
> just purchased an Archos Gemini 120 MP3 player/recorder. Does anyone on
> this
> list know if Rock Box will work on this equipment? If so, would you be
> willing to write me off list and help me get this working? I would be glad
> to call you on the phone for guidance here. So far, I have downloaded the
> Rock Box 2.2 software, unzipped it on the Archos Gemini 120
> player/recorder
> and restarted the machine with no speech being heard. Do I need to return
> this equipment? Did I download the incorrect software? Any and all help is
> much appreciated.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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Re: Archos And Rock Box

[nick G]

Well, yours isn't a jukebox.  I'm sorry.
Thanks,
Nick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Wells" <richwels@bupster.cjb.net>
To: "Glenn Ervin at Home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>; "Speakup is a screen
review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: Archos And Rock Box


> I Have no idea what we downloaded. It just said Rock Box 2.2 and it was a
> zip file. All the instructions said to do was to unzip it to the root
> directory on the Jukebox which we did. My wife is attempting to help me
> through this process. I really need guidance on what I need with this
Gemini
> 120.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Glenn Ervin at Home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 1:51 PM
> Subject: Re: Archos And Rock Box
>
>
> Did you download the English.voice file, and put it into the
\.rockbox\lang
> directory?
> - ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Wells" <richwels@bupster.cjb.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 8:50 PM
> Subject: Archos And Rock Box
>
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > This is unashamedly off topic, but I am desperate! There has been some
> > discussion here of Archos MP3 Players and Rock Box that makes them talk.
I
> > just purchased an Archos Gemini 120 MP3 player/recorder. Does anyone on
> > this
> > list know if Rock Box will work on this equipment? If so, would you be
> > willing to write me off list and help me get this working? I would be
glad
> > to call you on the phone for guidance here. So far, I have downloaded
the
> > Rock Box 2.2 software, unzipped it on the Archos Gemini 120
> > player/recorder
> > and restarted the machine with no speech being heard. Do I need to
return
> > this equipment? Did I download the incorrect software? Any and all help
is
> > much appreciated.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
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Re: Archos And Rock Box

[Glenn Ervin at Home]

Even though the JukeBox hard drive is a FAT32, there are Linux drivers for
the JukeBox.
I have only used my JukeBox in WindBlows.
But you do just put the daily build in the root of the JukeBox, and unzip
it, and it will do 2 things.
It will put either a file.ajz file in the root, or a file.mod in the root,
depending on your model of JukeBox; and it will also put a directory in the
root called:
.RockBox
You will have a bunch of files in this folder, and if you want the JukeBox
to talk, you need to make a SubDirectory in .RockBox called:
Langs
and here you need to copy the English.voice file.
It is as simple as that to make the JukeBox talk.
If anyone is wondering, the Archos JukeBox is an MP3 player and recorder
that has a hard drive of at least 20 GB, and it has been made to talk,
thanks to the open-source firmware that Archos used, and the fine hackers of
RockBox made it work on the Archos, and they have implemented talking menus
and directories.  I think it will soon speak even more, as it will so far
spell the file names.
Glenn

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Wells" <richwels@bupster.cjb.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: Archos And Rock Box


This is definitely the Archos Jukebox. I just have to figure out what
software I need and how to install it. There has to be more to it than
unzipping it.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joseph C. Lininger" <jbahm@pcdesk.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 5:35 AM
Subject: Re: Archos And Rock Box



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As far as I know, rockbox only works on the archos jukebox player, recorder,
and fm recorder. There are different versions to be downloaded depending on
which version of the jukebox you have.
- ---
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jbahm@pcdesk.net
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if quoting me in a reply.
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- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Wells" <richwels@bupster.cjb.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 8:50 PM
Subject: Archos And Rock Box


> Hello,
>
> This is unashamedly off topic, but I am desperate! There has been some
> discussion here of Archos MP3 Players and Rock Box that makes them talk. I
> just purchased an Archos Gemini 120 MP3 player/recorder. Does anyone on
> this
> list know if Rock Box will work on this equipment? If so, would you be
> willing to write me off list and help me get this working? I would be glad
> to call you on the phone for guidance here. So far, I have downloaded the
> Rock Box 2.2 software, unzipped it on the Archos Gemini 120
> player/recorder
> and restarted the machine with no speech being heard. Do I need to return
> this equipment? Did I download the incorrect software? Any and all help is
> much appreciated.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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Re: Archos And Rock Box

[Glenn Ervin at Home]

Okay, now you need a daily build, and you should get today's, or yesterdays,
at the following site:
    http://rockbox.haxx.se/daily.shtml
then copy the file to the JukeBox, and unzip it there as you did the 2.2
firmware file, and allow it to over-write any files it needs to.
Then in the .RockBox SubDirectory, make another SubDirectory called:
Langs
and copy the English.voice file from the site I gave you earlier.
The only file you need in the root of the unit is either the *.AJZ or *.MOD
file that you get with your particular download.

Glenn

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Wells" <richwels@bupster.cjb.net>
To: "Glenn Ervin at Home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>; "Speakup is a screen
review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: Archos And Rock Box


I Have no idea what we downloaded. It just said Rock Box 2.2 and it was a
zip file. All the instructions said to do was to unzip it to the root
directory on the Jukebox which we did. My wife is attempting to help me
through this process. I really need guidance on what I need with this Gemini
120.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glenn Ervin at Home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: Archos And Rock Box


Did you download the English.voice file, and put it into the \.rockbox\lang
directory?
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Wells" <richwels@bupster.cjb.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 8:50 PM
Subject: Archos And Rock Box


> Hello,
>
> This is unashamedly off topic, but I am desperate! There has been some
> discussion here of Archos MP3 Players and Rock Box that makes them talk. I
> just purchased an Archos Gemini 120 MP3 player/recorder. Does anyone on
> this
> list know if Rock Box will work on this equipment? If so, would you be
> willing to write me off list and help me get this working? I would be glad
> to call you on the phone for guidance here. So far, I have downloaded the
> Rock Box 2.2 software, unzipped it on the Archos Gemini 120
> player/recorder
> and restarted the machine with no speech being heard. Do I need to return
> this equipment? Did I download the incorrect software? Any and all help is
> much appreciated.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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Re: speed question

[Toby Fisher]

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On Sat, 19 Jun 2004, Gregory Nowak wrote:

> --[PinePGP]--------------------------------------------------[begin]--
> Thanks. I was always under the impression that KbpS and Kb/S were both
> interchangeable, and stood for Kilobytes per second.
> 
> I notice that lynx the cat reports download speeds in Kb/s, while the
> statistics page of my ADSL modem reports the speed in KbpS. Knowing
> that they're both different, and that one is Kilobits, while the other
> is Kilobytes, 1360 KbPs is a lot closer to 1536 KbpS. Doing some
> calculations shows me that I should be getting 192 Kb/S max, but I
> suppose I should take into account the bandwidth of other machines,
> and the latency of the net in general.

Yes.

The other thing to consider i that with such a large differential between 
upstream and downstream bandwidth, you may, if downloading several things 
at once, come up against the problem that your upstream bandwidth iss 
insufficient to cope with all the ackn packets you're having to send, thus 
throttling your download peed.  You can help this problem by using the 
traffic shaper.  Thi is a common problem with high-speed adsl lines.

Cheers.

- -- 
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Tel.: +44(0)1480 417272	Mobile: +44(0)7974 363239
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