shutting down

shutting down

[Kyrath. (AKA Rob)]

Hi all,

I just found out, the hard way, that there is a very distinct method of shutting down linux.  You'd figure that the importance of doing it correctly would be emphasized almost immediately after istallation.  Oh well...

I ended up doing a complete reinstall.  I don't know if that was necessary, but when I started the pc, speakup would start and linux seemed to go through the equivalent of a scan disk.  I noticed that at some point, the numpad keys lost control of speakup.  Although speakup kept going until the login prompt, it apparently was just reading off its buffer because speakup was completely unresponsive.
Was there something I could have done other than a complete reinstall?
Also, the slackware book listed a few ways to shutdown the system.  They were:
    shutdown -h now
    halt
    telinit 0
I'm just wondering if the other flavors of linux use these same commands for shutting down?

-- Rob

Re: shutting down

[Scott Berry]

Hi Rob,

I use the Debian flavor and according to what I have heard.  We can use
the shutdown -h or shutdown -r or in Debian the control-alt-delete all
do close to the same thing.  The shutdown -r and ctrl+alt+del actually
reboots the system whereas shutdown -h actuallly halts the system to a
complete stop.

On Thu, 19 Feb 2004, Kyrath. (AKA Rob) wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I just found out, the hard way, that there is a very distinct method of shutting down linux.  You'd figure that the importance of doing it correctly would be emphasized almost immediately after istallation.  Oh well...
>
> I ended up doing a complete reinstall.  I don't know if that was necessary, but when I started the pc, speakup would start and linux seemed to go through the equivalent of a scan disk.  I noticed that at some point, the numpad keys lost control of speakup.  Although speakup kept going until the login prompt, it apparently was just reading off its buffer because speakup was completely unresponsive.
> Was there something I could have done other than a complete reinstall?
> Also, the slackware book listed a few ways to shutdown the system.  They were:
>     shutdown -h now
>     halt
>     telinit 0
> I'm just wondering if the other flavors of linux use these same commands for shutting down?
>
> -- Rob
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Re: shutting down

[Shaun Oliver]

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forget that noise
it's there if you need it but there's other cli utilities like halt or
poweroff or, reboot that work just as effectively.
it's better to use those because depending on which one you use it'll
either poweroff the machine if you have an a,t,x box or shut ot down to
the point whereby you can turn it off.
or it'll do a reboot if you call uh hem. reboot.
and if you don't shutdown properly, e.g. don't unmount all your
filesystems etc,
you will need to undergo a scandisk or rather e2fsck which checks the
filesystem for errors and fixes them if it is able to.
hth.

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Re: shutting down

[Sean McMahon]

Yes it's the same in debian also.  Shutdown -r reboots.
Sean
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kyrath. (AKA Rob)" <kyrath@cox.net>
To: "Speakup" <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 6:44 AM
Subject: shutting down


Hi all,

I just found out, the hard way, that there is a very distinct method of shutting
down linux.  You'd figure that the importance of doing it correctly would be
emphasized almost immediately after istallation.  Oh well...

I ended up doing a complete reinstall.  I don't know if that was necessary, but
when I started the pc, speakup would start and linux seemed to go through the
equivalent of a scan disk.  I noticed that at some point, the numpad keys lost
control of speakup.  Although speakup kept going until the login prompt, it
apparently was just reading off its buffer because speakup was completely
unresponsive.
Was there something I could have done other than a complete reinstall?
Also, the slackware book listed a few ways to shutdown the system.  They were:
    shutdown -h now
    halt
    telinit 0
I'm just wondering if the other flavors of linux use these same commands for
shutting down?

-- Rob
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Re: shutting down

[Alex Snow]

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yeah you gotta watch out how you do that.
another thing to watch out when using is the rm -r command. you can 
really screw up a filesystem like that...
On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 
08:44:24AM -0500, Kyrath. (AKA Rob) wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I just found out, the hard way, that there is a very distinct method of shutting down linux.  You'd figure that the importance of doing it correctly would be emphasized almost immediately after istallation.  Oh well...
> 
> I ended up doing a complete reinstall.  I don't know if that was necessary, but when I started the pc, speakup would start and linux seemed to go through the equivalent of a scan disk.  I noticed that at some point, the numpad keys lost control of speakup.  Although speakup kept going until the login prompt, it apparently was just reading off its buffer because speakup was completely unresponsive.
> Was there something I could have done other than a complete reinstall?
> Also, the slackware book listed a few ways to shutdown the system.  They were:
>     shutdown -h now
>     halt
>     telinit 0
> I'm just wondering if the other flavors of linux use these same commands for shutting down?
> 
> -- Rob
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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Re: shutting down

[Scott Berry]

Yes I was told about that.  My friend told me tha many of people had
taken out I think the boot directory or something like that especially
with the"-f" switch which forces not output at all.

On Mon, 23 Feb 2004,
Alex Snow wrote:

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> yeah you gotta watch out how you do that.
> another thing to watch out when using is the rm -r command. you can
> really screw up a filesystem like that...
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at
> 08:44:24AM -0500, Kyrath. (AKA Rob) wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I just found out, the hard way, that there is a very distinct method of shutting down linux.  You'd figure that the importance of doing it correctly would be emphasized almost immediately after istallation.  Oh well...
> >
> > I ended up doing a complete reinstall.  I don't know if that was necessary, but when I started the pc, speakup would start and linux seemed to go through the equivalent of a scan disk.  I noticed that at some point, the numpad keys lost control of speakup.  Although speakup kept going until the login prompt, it apparently was just reading off its buffer because speakup was completely unresponsive.
> > Was there something I could have done other than a complete reinstall?
> > Also, the slackware book listed a few ways to shutdown the system.  They were:
> >     shutdown -h now
> >     halt
> >     telinit 0
> > I'm just wondering if the other flavors of linux use these same commands for shutting down?
> >
> > -- Rob
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
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> back.
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Re: shutting down

[Luke Davis]

On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, Alex Snow wrote:

> yeah you gotta watch out how you do that.
> another thing to watch out when using is the rm -r command. you can
> really screw up a filesystem like that...

Please elaborate.  Other than unlinking large numbers of files, as well as
their containing directories: what damage do you see in its use?

I mean, obviously "rm -rf /", is one of the more stupid moves one can
make, but what damage is done to the actual file system?

Luke

Re: shutting down

[Alex Snow]

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I took out /boot, /bin, and /dev with that command once. in slackware 
rm -r defaults to the -f option. this depends on your distro.
On Mon, Feb 
23, 2004 at 02:31:40PM -0700, Scott Berry wrote:
> Yes I was told about that.  My friend told me tha many of people had
> taken out I think the boot directory or something like that especially
> with the"-f" switch which forces not output at all.
> 
> On Mon, 23 Feb 2004,
> Alex Snow wrote:
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> > yeah you gotta watch out how you do that.
> > another thing to watch out when using is the rm -r command. you can
> > really screw up a filesystem like that...
> > On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at
> > 08:44:24AM -0500, Kyrath. (AKA Rob) wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I just found out, the hard way, that there is a very distinct method of shutting down linux.  You'd figure that the importance of doing it correctly would be emphasized almost immediately after istallation.  Oh well...
> > >
> > > I ended up doing a complete reinstall.  I don't know if that was necessary, but when I started the pc, speakup would start and linux seemed to go through the equivalent of a scan disk.  I noticed that at some point, the numpad keys lost control of speakup.  Although speakup kept going until the login prompt, it apparently was just reading off its buffer because speakup was completely unresponsive.
> > > Was there something I could have done other than a complete reinstall?
> > > Also, the slackware book listed a few ways to shutdown the system.  They were:
> > >     shutdown -h now
> > >     halt
> > >     telinit 0
> > > I'm just wondering if the other flavors of linux use these same commands for shutting down?
> > >
> > > -- Rob
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > - --
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> > back.
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Re: shutting down

[Scott Berry]

Not a good thing at all.  Oh man glad Debian just defaults to what you
tell it.

On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, Alex Snow wrote:

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> I took out /boot, /bin, and /dev with that command once. in slackware
> rm -r defaults to the -f option. this depends on your distro.
> On Mon, Feb
> 23, 2004 at 02:31:40PM -0700, Scott Berry wrote:
> > Yes I was told about that.  My friend told me tha many of people had
> > taken out I think the boot directory or something like that especially
> > with the"-f" switch which forces not output at all.
> >
> > On Mon, 23 Feb 2004,
> > Alex Snow wrote:
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> > > yeah you gotta watch out how you do that.
> > > another thing to watch out when using is the rm -r command. you can
> > > really screw up a filesystem like that...
> > > On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at
> > > 08:44:24AM -0500, Kyrath. (AKA Rob) wrote:
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > I just found out, the hard way, that there is a very distinct method of shutting down linux.  You'd figure that the importance of doing it correctly would be emphasized almost immediately after istallation.  Oh well...
> > > >
> > > > I ended up doing a complete reinstall.  I don't know if that was necessary, but when I started the pc, speakup would start and linux seemed to go through the equivalent of a scan disk.  I noticed that at some point, the numpad keys lost control of speakup.  Although speakup kept going until the login prompt, it apparently was just reading off its buffer because speakup was completely unresponsive.
> > > > Was there something I could have done other than a complete reinstall?
> > > > Also, the slackware book listed a few ways to shutdown the system.  They were:
> > > >     shutdown -h now
> > > >     halt
> > > >     telinit 0
> > > > I'm just wondering if the other flavors of linux use these same commands for shutting down?
> > > >
> > > > -- Rob
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
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> > > back.
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