Re: speakup and the sonar system?

Re: speakup and the sonar system?

[Sean M McMahon]

I don't know if wineyes uses some kind of authorization key, if it 
doesn't, couldn't you install it on a windows machine then just coppy the 
files to a cd and make it auto-run?

ot, window-eyes and wine, was: Re: speakup and the sonar system?

[Gregory Nowak]

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No, window-eyes, unlike the other product from freedom science
fiction, doesn't have authorization keys. Even so, I don't see the
relevance of your point regarding making it autorun from a cd-rom.

Greg


On Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 01:52:32PM -0700, Sean M McMahon wrote:
> I don't know if wineyes uses some kind of authorization key, if it 
> doesn't, couldn't you install it on a windows machine then just coppy the 
> files to a cd and make it auto-run?
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Re: speakup and the sonar system?

[Jayson Smith]

As of Wineyes 3.1 there is no authorization key.  But that's been a long
time.  They might either have an authorization disk, or even an
Internet-based product activation system.  No idea.
Jayson.

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From: "Sean M McMahon" <smcmahon@usgs.gov>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: speakup and the sonar system?


> I don't know if wineyes uses some kind of authorization key, if it
> doesn't, couldn't you install it on a windows machine then just coppy the
> files to a cd and make it auto-run?
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

RE: speakup and the sonar system?

[Sina Bahram]

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On Behalf Of Jayson Smith
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 6:35 PM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: speakup and the sonar system?

As of Wineyes 3.1 there is no authorization key.  But that's been a long
time.  They might either have an authorization disk, or even an
Internet-based product activation system.  No idea.
Jayson.

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From: "Sean M McMahon" <smcmahon@usgs.gov>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: speakup and the sonar system?


> I don't know if wineyes uses some kind of authorization key, if it 
> doesn't, couldn't you install it on a windows machine then just coppy 
> the files to a cd and make it auto-run?
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup


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Re: speakup and the sonar system?

[Alex Snow]

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nope. they just have the install disk. I think the difference in 
lisenses from jfw is why. iirc wineyes's lisense says you can install 
it on as many boxes as you like as long as they are yours.
On Tue, Aug 
17, 2004 at 06:34:46PM -0400, Jayson Smith wrote:
> As of Wineyes 3.1 there is no authorization key.  But that's been a long
> time.  They might either have an authorization disk, or even an
> Internet-based product activation system.  No idea.
> Jayson.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sean M McMahon" <smcmahon@usgs.gov>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 4:52 PM
> Subject: Re: speakup and the sonar system?
> 
> 
> > I don't know if wineyes uses some kind of authorization key, if it
> > doesn't, couldn't you install it on a windows machine then just coppy the
> > files to a cd and make it auto-run?
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
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Re: speakup and the sonar system?

[Gregory Nowak]

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Well, there also is bochs. However, it runs so slow on my PIII 600 Mhz
with 384 Mb of RAM, that using it is extremely impractical.

Greg


On Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 06:10:09PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> I doubt it'd work...wine isn't very useful for running windows apps so 
> far...if something works it's quite possible it'll break in a future 
> release. 
> basically if you want to run windows apps, use windows. another 
> solution if you can configure it would be to run vmware under linux 
> and install windows under that.

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Re: speakup and the sonar system?

[Alex Snow]

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I doubt it'd work...wine isn't very useful for running windows apps so 
far...if something works it's quite possible it'll break in a future 
release. 
basically if you want to run windows apps, use windows. another 
solution if you can configure it would be to run vmware under linux 
and install windows under that.
On Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 04:33:54PM -0400, 
Erik Heil wrote:
> Hi Greg.  Very good points their.  Well, let's think about this for a 
> minute.  if you install Windows Eyes on a real Windows machine, you could 
> use a monitoring utility which will keep track of all system registry 
> values that have been written or modified during the installation.  Then, 
> you could strip out the TTS stuff, copy the binaries into their propper 
> locations, and specify your hardware synth hopefully in the registry.  i'm 
> not sure if this would work, but I think its getting a little closer. 
> Here's why the Microsoft TTS engine won't work under Wine.  I'm not sure 
> whether it has support for the MSappi stuff.  Possibly you could install 
> it, and hey, it just might be able to run.  I wonder if Freedom Science 
> Fiction's products do the same thing?  Its worth looking into.  With our 
> luck, they probably do.
> 
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Re: speakup and the sonar system?

[Luke Yelavich]

Hi all
On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 05:19:06AM EST, Erik Heil wrote:
> Hi Greg.  I don't know if you have access to a hardware synth, but here's 
> an idea.  I wonder if its possible to install Window Eyes, tell it no 
> speech during installation and specify your HW synth for its runtime 
> configuration? That way if its purely a sound card issue, you would in 
> theory have access to the Windows GUI running within the context of the 
> Wine environment. As far as that game you described, doesn't that require 
> Flash? That's another story, but you might have to install that also, 
> unless Wine includes a version of it.

Unfortunately, WinEyes or JAWS will never work. What these two screen readers
rely on, is a video intercept driver between the driver and windows. This has
to be loaded when Windows boots, and since Wine is mainly there for applications
to get the standard Windows functions, I don't think this is possible. Wine
would probably have to have a way to load these intercept drivers when X starts
so it can read the windows.

I could be totally wrong however, but that is how I understand it.

Luke

Re: speakup and the sonar system?

[Erik Heil]

Hi Greg.  Very good points their.  Well, let's think about this for a 
minute.  if you install Windows Eyes on a real Windows machine, you could 
use a monitoring utility which will keep track of all system registry 
values that have been written or modified during the installation.  Then, 
you could strip out the TTS stuff, copy the binaries into their propper 
locations, and specify your hardware synth hopefully in the registry.  i'm 
not sure if this would work, but I think its getting a little closer. 
Here's why the Microsoft TTS engine won't work under Wine.  I'm not sure 
whether it has support for the MSappi stuff.  Possibly you could install 
it, and hey, it just might be able to run.  I wonder if Freedom Science 
Fiction's products do the same thing?  Its worth looking into.  With our 
luck, they probably do.

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Phone: (865) 673-0542

Re: speakup and the sonar system?

[Gregory Nowak]

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Hi Erik.

I've thought of that, but it wouldn't work, and here's why. When you
start the window-eyes install, the installer automatically tries to
launch a temporary copy of window-eyes, as well as the microsoft tts
engine, and this is where wine crashes. I don't know of a way to tell
the installer to not attempt launching the temporary copy of wineyes
along with the tts engine. The only way around this I could think of
is to install wineyes on a real windows machine, and move the
installed stuff into wine. Even so, I believe that wineyes modifies
the registry when it installs, and probably does other things which I
haven't been able to catch yet.

As for the drive game, it doesn't require flash, but it does require
directx 9, which I believe is built into the gpl version of wine.

Greg


On Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 03:19:06PM -0400, Erik Heil wrote:
> Hi Greg.  I don't know if you have access to a hardware synth, but here's 
> an idea.  I wonder if its possible to install Window Eyes, tell it no 
> speech during installation and specify your HW synth for its runtime 
> configuration? That way if its purely a sound card issue, you would in 
> theory have access to the Windows GUI running within the context of the 
> Wine environment. As far as that game you described, doesn't that require 
> Flash? That's another story, but you might have to install that also, 
> unless Wine includes a version of it.
> 
> 

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Re: speakup and the sonar system?

[Erik Heil]

Hi Greg.  I don't know if you have access to a hardware synth, but here's 
an idea.  I wonder if its possible to install Window Eyes, tell it no 
speech during installation and specify your HW synth for its runtime 
configuration? That way if its purely a sound card issue, you would in 
theory have access to the Windows GUI running within the context of the 
Wine environment. As far as that game you described, doesn't that require 
Flash? That's another story, but you might have to install that also, 
unless Wine includes a version of it.


On Tue, 17 Aug 2004, Gregory Nowak wrote:

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> I've tried wine 2 months ago most recently, and it still bombs when
> trying to get wineyes 3.1 installed. The same happens when trying to
> install the drive game from soundsupport.net.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 09:28:55AM -0400, Erik Heil wrote:
>> Hi their.  this is probably a long shot, but you might get it to run under
>> Wine.  I have not used this before, but according to some friens of mine,
>> you can actually get a normal Windows Desktop, along with a start menu,
>> etc.  This would also require you to get Jaws or some other Windows screen
>> reader running within a Wine session, which I'm not sure is even possible
>> to implement.  I do know for a fact that their is a payed version of Wine
>> which actually supports DirectX functionality, so then in theory you could
>> probably run the accessible games that have been developed.  I'm not even
>> sure of what capabilities Wine has, or to what extent it emulates Windows.
>> Perhaps someone whith more experience can expand on this further.
>>
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>> Phone: (865) 673-0542
>>
>>
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Re: speakup and the sonar system?

[Gregory Nowak]

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I've tried wine 2 months ago most recently, and it still bombs when
trying to get wineyes 3.1 installed. The same happens when trying to
install the drive game from soundsupport.net.

Greg


On Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 09:28:55AM -0400, Erik Heil wrote:
> Hi their.  this is probably a long shot, but you might get it to run under 
> Wine.  I have not used this before, but according to some friens of mine, 
> you can actually get a normal Windows Desktop, along with a start menu, 
> etc.  This would also require you to get Jaws or some other Windows screen 
> reader running within a Wine session, which I'm not sure is even possible 
> to implement.  I do know for a fact that their is a payed version of Wine 
> which actually supports DirectX functionality, so then in theory you could 
> probably run the accessible games that have been developed.  I'm not even 
> sure of what capabilities Wine has, or to what extent it emulates Windows. 
> Perhaps someone whith more experience can expand on this further.
> 
> -- 
> Erik Heil <eheil@va3duk.serveftp.com>
> Phone: (865) 673-0542
> 
> 
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Re: speakup and the sonar system?

[Erik Heil]

Hi their.  this is probably a long shot, but you might get it to run under 
Wine.  I have not used this before, but according to some friens of mine, 
you can actually get a normal Windows Desktop, along with a start menu, 
etc.  This would also require you to get Jaws or some other Windows screen 
reader running within a Wine session, which I'm not sure is even possible 
to implement.  I do know for a fact that their is a payed version of Wine 
which actually supports DirectX functionality, so then in theory you could 
probably run the accessible games that have been developed.  I'm not even 
sure of what capabilities Wine has, or to what extent it emulates Windows. 
Perhaps someone whith more experience can expand on this further.

-- 
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Phone: (865) 673-0542

Re: speakup and the sonar system?

[Stephen Clower]

Sonar is a program for Windows. It will not run in Linux with Speakup.


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On 8/16/2004 at 7:41 PM Karen Lewellen wrote:

>Hi all,
>has anyone made an effort to create scripts for Linux-speakup and the 
>caketalker or other sonar system programs?
>Thanks,
>Karen L
>
>
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speakup and the sonar system?

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi all,
has anyone made an effort to create scripts for Linux-speakup and the 
caketalker or other sonar system programs?
Thanks,
Karen L