three hds? is this possible?

three hds? is this possible?

[TheCreator]

Hello list,
I read somewhere on google that it was possible to hook 3 hds up to a system with out the raid card.
It said that you could disconnect the cd drive, and use the IDE cable from that to hook up a hd.
My problem, is I'm running out of room. I've got like 38gb of music, and other files, and my hd is only 40 gb.
My idea was to move some folders that are expanding like the music folder to the other hd, and then mount it in media where the normal music folder was, and call it music.
Any help would be appriciated.
I tried hooking it up to the ide cable on the cd drive like it told me, and it didn't register it.
Thanks,
~~TheCreator~~

Re: three hds? is this possible?

[Gregory Nowak]

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You can have up to 4 ide devices in your system without needing an
additional i/o card. So yes, you could have 1 cd-rom drive, and 3 hard
drives, or any combination there of. You need to make sure that all
your devices are jumpered properly, and that the bios is set up to
recognize your drives correctly.

Seriously, if you find yourself running out of room a good part of the
time, consider getting a bigger drive, that's what I ended up having
to do. I do seem to recall though, that you have an older system
running win98. If that's the case, then your bios might not be able to
fully recognize the capacity on today's drives, depending on how old
your system is. This of course, might or might not be fixed by a newer
version of your bios, assuming the bios on your board is flashable,
and not an eprom.

BTW, I do recall this kind of stuff being discussed on here more then once,
so you might want to have a look through the list archives.

Greg


On Thu, May 17, 2007 at 10:25:31AM -0600, TheCreator wrote:
> Hello list,
> I read somewhere on google that it was possible to hook 3 hds up to a system with out the raid card.
> It said that you could disconnect the cd drive, and use the IDE cable from that to hook up a hd.
> My problem, is I'm running out of room. I've got like 38gb of music, and other files, and my hd is only 40 gb.
> My idea was to move some folders that are expanding like the music folder to the other hd, and then mount it in media where the normal music folder was, and call it music.
> Any help would be appriciated.
> I tried hooking it up to the ide cable on the cd drive like it told me, and it didn't register it.
> Thanks,
> ~~TheCreator~~
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Re: three hds? is this possible?

[Littlefield, Tyler]

I'm just a poor white kid, but I'll have to check in to a harddrive when I
start getting some cash.
Kidding, but I'll go search the archives. I think I just need to set
something in the bios.
Thanks,
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To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: three hds? is this possible?


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>
> You can have up to 4 ide devices in your system without needing an
> additional i/o card. So yes, you could have 1 cd-rom drive, and 3 hard
> drives, or any combination there of. You need to make sure that all
> your devices are jumpered properly, and that the bios is set up to
> recognize your drives correctly.
>
> Seriously, if you find yourself running out of room a good part of the
> time, consider getting a bigger drive, that's what I ended up having
> to do. I do seem to recall though, that you have an older system
> running win98. If that's the case, then your bios might not be able to
> fully recognize the capacity on today's drives, depending on how old
> your system is. This of course, might or might not be fixed by a newer
> version of your bios, assuming the bios on your board is flashable,
> and not an eprom.
>
> BTW, I do recall this kind of stuff being discussed on here more then
once,
> so you might want to have a look through the list archives.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Thu, May 17, 2007 at 10:25:31AM -0600, TheCreator wrote:
> > Hello list,
> > I read somewhere on google that it was possible to hook 3 hds up to a
system with out the raid card.
> > It said that you could disconnect the cd drive, and use the IDE cable
from that to hook up a hd.
> > My problem, is I'm running out of room. I've got like 38gb of music, and
other files, and my hd is only 40 gb.
> > My idea was to move some folders that are expanding like the music
folder to the other hd, and then mount it in media where the normal music
folder was, and call it music.
> > Any help would be appriciated.
> > I tried hooking it up to the ide cable on the cd drive like it told me,
and it didn't register it.
> > Thanks,
> > ~~TheCreator~~
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Re: three hds? is this possible?

[Doug Sutherland]

On most IDE motherboards you have two IDE controllers, 
each can support one master and one slave on a single cable. 
You may need to set jumpers on the actual drives to get them
set up correctly, one jumpered as master, one jumpered as 
slave on each controller.

The jumper setting info will be labeled on the drives. 
You may also need to check the BIOS settings and make 
sure that all four drives are enabled, and on older BIOS you
may need to set them to the correct setting for the drive, 
while on newer BIOS usually setting them all to AUTO will
auto-detect the drives and configure the BIOS appropriately. 

  -- Doug

Re: three hds? is this possible?

[Littlefield, Tyler]

ok. I got my 20 gb set to master. For the bios settings, do I just set it
under cd? or where do I need to change it at?
Thanks,
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Sutherland" <doug@proficio.ca>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: three hds? is this possible?


> On most IDE motherboards you have two IDE controllers,
> each can support one master and one slave on a single cable.
> You may need to set jumpers on the actual drives to get them
> set up correctly, one jumpered as master, one jumpered as
> slave on each controller.
>
> The jumper setting info will be labeled on the drives.
> You may also need to check the BIOS settings and make
> sure that all four drives are enabled, and on older BIOS you
> may need to set them to the correct setting for the drive,
> while on newer BIOS usually setting them all to AUTO will
> auto-detect the drives and configure the BIOS appropriately.
>
>   -- Doug
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: three hds? is this possible?

[Doug Sutherland]

In the BIOS settings, there should be four settings, one master and
one slave for each controller. If your BIOS allows for an AUTO 
setting try that and it should auto-detect the drives. On most of the
older BIOS there was an auto detect function you could invoke 
by pressing a key like F8 or similar and it would detect the drives
and set the BIOS properly, newer BIOS can auto-detect at boot
time. If you know which slave slot is for CD and if there is a CD 
setting in the BIOS, use that setting, and check to make sure the
CD drive is jumpered as slave.

If drives are not showing up then usually they are either not 
jumpered correctly or the BIOS setting is not correct. There are
two other possible pains with old BIOS, one is limitation of 
drive size, some older BIOS may not support the full capacity.
Some drives have a special jumper setting for this which will 
limit the drive size for older BIOS. And in some rare cases 
you need to manually set the capacity, number of cylinders 
and tracks, although its becoming rare that you'd have to do
that anymore.

The most important thing is making sure the drives are 
jumpered correctly as one master and one slave on each 
cable and making sure the drive is enabled in BIOS, if
there is an auto setting in BIOS try that, if the drive is 
still not working, the drive will be labeled with info for 
cylinder/track/capacity and you can set them manually.
Hopefully you will not need to do this.

  -- Doug

Re: three hds? is this possible?

[Littlefield, Tyler]

got it. It works awesome now, hdc now mounted in /personal/media/music, with
all my music in the root which is about 9+gb. Took quite a load off of the
/hdb drive.
Thanks,

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Sutherland" <doug@proficio.ca>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: three hds? is this possible?


> In the BIOS settings, there should be four settings, one master and
> one slave for each controller. If your BIOS allows for an AUTO
> setting try that and it should auto-detect the drives. On most of the
> older BIOS there was an auto detect function you could invoke
> by pressing a key like F8 or similar and it would detect the drives
> and set the BIOS properly, newer BIOS can auto-detect at boot
> time. If you know which slave slot is for CD and if there is a CD
> setting in the BIOS, use that setting, and check to make sure the
> CD drive is jumpered as slave.
>
> If drives are not showing up then usually they are either not
> jumpered correctly or the BIOS setting is not correct. There are
> two other possible pains with old BIOS, one is limitation of
> drive size, some older BIOS may not support the full capacity.
> Some drives have a special jumper setting for this which will
> limit the drive size for older BIOS. And in some rare cases
> you need to manually set the capacity, number of cylinders
> and tracks, although its becoming rare that you'd have to do
> that anymore.
>
> The most important thing is making sure the drives are
> jumpered correctly as one master and one slave on each
> cable and making sure the drive is enabled in BIOS, if
> there is an auto setting in BIOS try that, if the drive is
> still not working, the drive will be labeled with info for
> cylinder/track/capacity and you can set them manually.
> Hopefully you will not need to do this.
>
>   -- Doug
>
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GRML 1.0 QUERY

[David Harvey]

Hello,

In class this morning I tried the RC of GRML 1.0.

However when I typed
grml speakup_synth=dectlk
my synth failed to speak.  All cables were connected correctly.

Thanks

David Harvey
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Littlefield, Tyler" <compgeek13@gmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: three hds? is this possible?


> got it. It works awesome now, hdc now mounted in /personal/media/music, 
> with
> all my music in the root which is about 9+gb. Took quite a load off of the
> /hdb drive.
> Thanks,
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Doug Sutherland" <doug@proficio.ca>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 7:17 PM
> Subject: Re: three hds? is this possible?
>
>
>> In the BIOS settings, there should be four settings, one master and
>> one slave for each controller. If your BIOS allows for an AUTO
>> setting try that and it should auto-detect the drives. On most of the
>> older BIOS there was an auto detect function you could invoke
>> by pressing a key like F8 or similar and it would detect the drives
>> and set the BIOS properly, newer BIOS can auto-detect at boot
>> time. If you know which slave slot is for CD and if there is a CD
>> setting in the BIOS, use that setting, and check to make sure the
>> CD drive is jumpered as slave.
>>
>> If drives are not showing up then usually they are either not
>> jumpered correctly or the BIOS setting is not correct. There are
>> two other possible pains with old BIOS, one is limitation of
>> drive size, some older BIOS may not support the full capacity.
>> Some drives have a special jumper setting for this which will
>> limit the drive size for older BIOS. And in some rare cases
>> you need to manually set the capacity, number of cylinders
>> and tracks, although its becoming rare that you'd have to do
>> that anymore.
>>
>> The most important thing is making sure the drives are
>> jumpered correctly as one master and one slave on each
>> cable and making sure the drive is enabled in BIOS, if
>> there is an auto setting in BIOS try that, if the drive is
>> still not working, the drive will be labeled with info for
>> cylinder/track/capacity and you can set them manually.
>> Hopefully you will not need to do this.
>>
>>   -- Doug
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
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Re: three hds? is this possible?

[Alex Snow]

Modern BIOS's (past 10 years or so) are pretty good at autodetecting 
hardware.  If all else fails, make sure all the ide devices in the 
bios are set to audo, or do a CMOS clear to make it redetect 
everything.  Also some bios's (award comes to mind) have an option 
called hdd autodetect that you should run.
On 
Thu, May 17, 2007 at 06:02:53PM -0600, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
> ok. I got my 20 gb set to master. For the bios settings, do I just set it
> under cd? or where do I need to change it at?
> Thanks,
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Doug Sutherland" <doug@proficio.ca>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 7:01 PM
> Subject: Re: three hds? is this possible?
> 
> 
> > On most IDE motherboards you have two IDE controllers,
> > each can support one master and one slave on a single cable.
> > You may need to set jumpers on the actual drives to get them
> > set up correctly, one jumpered as master, one jumpered as
> > slave on each controller.
> >
> > The jumper setting info will be labeled on the drives.
> > You may also need to check the BIOS settings and make
> > sure that all four drives are enabled, and on older BIOS you
> > may need to set them to the correct setting for the drive,
> > while on newer BIOS usually setting them all to AUTO will
> > auto-detect the drives and configure the BIOS appropriately.
> >
> >   -- Doug
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: three hds? is this possible?

[Glenn Ervin]

Also,
A hard drive in line with the CD/DVD drive will operate mighty slow, since 
the slower drive determines the speed of the drives in the chain, if I am 
not mistaken.
So you might wish to put the slowest drive in with the CD/DVD.
Glenn
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To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: three hds? is this possible?


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You can have up to 4 ide devices in your system without needing an
additional i/o card. So yes, you could have 1 cd-rom drive, and 3 hard
drives, or any combination there of. You need to make sure that all
your devices are jumpered properly, and that the bios is set up to
recognize your drives correctly.

Seriously, if you find yourself running out of room a good part of the
time, consider getting a bigger drive, that's what I ended up having
to do. I do seem to recall though, that you have an older system
running win98. If that's the case, then your bios might not be able to
fully recognize the capacity on today's drives, depending on how old
your system is. This of course, might or might not be fixed by a newer
version of your bios, assuming the bios on your board is flashable,
and not an eprom.

BTW, I do recall this kind of stuff being discussed on here more then once,
so you might want to have a look through the list archives.

Greg


On Thu, May 17, 2007 at 10:25:31AM -0600, TheCreator wrote:
> Hello list,
> I read somewhere on google that it was possible to hook 3 hds up to a 
> system with out the raid card.
> It said that you could disconnect the cd drive, and use the IDE cable from 
> that to hook up a hd.
> My problem, is I'm running out of room. I've got like 38gb of music, and 
> other files, and my hd is only 40 gb.
> My idea was to move some folders that are expanding like the music folder 
> to the other hd, and then mount it in media where the normal music folder 
> was, and call it music.
> Any help would be appriciated.
> I tried hooking it up to the ide cable on the cd drive like it told me, 
> and it didn't register it.
> Thanks,
> ~~TheCreator~~
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: three hds? is this possible?

[Doug Sutherland]

This issue of IDE bus slowing to the speed of lowest drive in the chain is
no
longer the case on most motherboards due to independent device timing.
If the IDE chipset supports independent device timing, then the hard drive
will operate at a different speed. So basically, putting a CD or DVD on the
same chain as a high speed hard drive is only a problem on very old mobo
that don't support independent device timing. On all modern chipsets this
is no longer a problem, so I suppose the question is how modern is the IDE
chipset in question. If you're not sure if the chipset supports independent
device timing, pair the CD with the slowest drive of the lot, and use that
slowest drive for stuff like backups or other files that will not be
accessed
as frequently. Also, make sure your system is running at the fastest DMA
mode possible for the drives, and there are some DMA mode test progs
that can help you determine if you're achieving independent device timing.

Glenn said:
A hard drive in line with the CD/DVD drive will operate mighty slow,
since the slower drive determines the speed of the drives in the chain,

Re: three hds? is this possible?

[Ralph W. Reid]

Do you know whether this third drive has been partitioned and
formatted?  Are the jumpers on this drive set for master or slave?
Generally, each IDE controller can handle two devices--one master and
one slave.  This means that with two IDE controllers (sometimes
supplied directly on a mother board), you can have up to four IDE
devices in one system--as long as the power supply can handle them
without overloading and burning out.  Here on my Slackware 11.0
systems, the IDE drives are listed under /proc/ide as 'hd?@', where
the question mark is 'a' or 'c' to designate either drive 'hda' or
'hdc', and the trailing at sign (@) indicates that these are pointers
to the actual directories where the drive info can be found.  If your
newly installed IDE drive is not listed in /proc/ide, then you might
need to change a jumper on the drive to change it to master or slave
so that the system will see it.  Once the drive is found by the
system, you will need to partition it with something like fdisk, and
put a file system on it with mkfs or one of the more specialized
programs like mke2fs.  A little more info about your system (how many
IDE cables do you have, which version of Linux are you working with,
etc.) might be helpful if fiddling with jumpers does not solve the
problem.

HTH, and have a great day.

On Thu, May 17, 2007 at 10:25:31AM -0600, TheCreator wrote:
> Hello list,
> I read somewhere on google that it was possible to hook 3 hds up to a system with out the raid card.
> It said that you could disconnect the cd drive, and use the IDE cable from that to hook up a hd.
> My problem, is I'm running out of room. I've got like 38gb of music, and other files, and my hd is only 40 gb.
> My idea was to move some folders that are expanding like the music folder to the other hd, and then mount it in media where the normal music folder was, and call it music.
> Any help would be appriciated.
> I tried hooking it up to the ide cable on the cd drive like it told me, and it didn't register it.
> Thanks,
> ~~TheCreator~~
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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Re: three hds? is this possible?

[Alex Snow]

Each IDE controler supports up to two devices.  Most machines have 2 
controlers, which gives you 4 devices, which can be whatever you 
want...cd-rom, hdd, etc.  Another option is to get external drives and 
hook them up via USB or IEEE1394.
On Thu, May 17, 2007 at 10:25:31AM 
-0600, TheCreator wrote:
> Hello list,
> I read somewhere on google that it was possible to hook 3 hds up to a system with out the raid card.
> It said that you could disconnect the cd drive, and use the IDE cable from that to hook up a hd.
> My problem, is I'm running out of room. I've got like 38gb of music, and other files, and my hd is only 40 gb.
> My idea was to move some folders that are expanding like the music folder to the other hd, and then mount it in media where the normal music folder was, and call it music.
> Any help would be appriciated.
> I tried hooking it up to the ide cable on the cd drive like it told me, and it didn't register it.
> Thanks,
> ~~TheCreator~~
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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Re: three hds? is this possible?

[Gregory Nowak]

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If you're going to hook up drives via usb, make sure you use
usb2.0. Transferring data to and from a drive using usb1.1 takes
forever.

Greg



On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 07:43:04PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> Each IDE controler supports up to two devices.  Most machines have 2 
> controlers, which gives you 4 devices, which can be whatever you 
> want...cd-rom, hdd, etc.  Another option is to get external drives and 
> hook them up via USB or IEEE1394.

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