* Linux help Please!
@ Ryan Mcmanomy
` Janina Sajka
` (2 more replies)
0 siblings, 3 replies; 23+ messages in thread
From: Ryan Mcmanomy @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Hello, I am trying to get speakup on my partition of linux on my notebook.
I am having my roomate help me. I have linux kernel version 2.4.xx and
need to get telnet or some sort of service up and running for my roomate
to transfer the files from his windows box to my HD. After we get telnet
set up how would I go about installing speakup and or applying the patches
to the kernel. I tried it before but to no success. Can someone give me
a step by step set of instructions to get this installed. In regards to my
kernel I looked in /usr/src and didnt find a folder that reads linux? What
do I do next? I am deffinately new to dealing with the kernel and may need
some extra help. Thank you very much in advance!
Ryan
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread* Re: Linux help Please! Linux help Please! Ryan Mcmanomy @ ` Janina Sajka ` nick G ` Doug Sutherland ` audacity and speakup? Karen Lewellen 2 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. There's a step by step HOWTO for installing the Speakup Modified Fedora Core at: http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/fedora/HOWTO_INSTALL.html I strongly suggest you study it even if you eventually decide to install a different distribution of Linux. Ryan Mcmanomy writes: > Hello, I am trying to get speakup on my partition of linux on my notebook. > I am having my roomate help me. I have linux kernel version 2.4.xx and > need to get telnet or some sort of service up and running for my roomate > to transfer the files from his windows box to my HD. After we get telnet > set up how would I go about installing speakup and or applying the patches > to the kernel. I tried it before but to no success. Can someone give me > a step by step set of instructions to get this installed. In regards to my > kernel I looked in /usr/src and didnt find a folder that reads linux? What > do I do next? I am deffinately new to dealing with the kernel and may need > some extra help. Thank you very much in advance! > > Ryan > > > --- > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses as a service to Keeling Inc. Customers] > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: Linux help Please! ` Janina Sajka @ ` nick G 0 siblings, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread From: nick G @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Janina, I think that howto is a little out of date as far as Fedora 1 is conserned eh? For example, at the boot prompt you have to type "linux text speakup_synth+xxx" Thanks, Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 8:30 PM Subject: Re: Linux help Please! > There's a step by step HOWTO for installing the Speakup Modified Fedora Core at: > > http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/fedora/HOWTO_INSTALL.html > > I strongly suggest you study it even if you eventually decide to install a different distribution of Linux. > > Ryan Mcmanomy writes: > > Hello, I am trying to get speakup on my partition of linux on my notebook. > > I am having my roomate help me. I have linux kernel version 2.4.xx and > > need to get telnet or some sort of service up and running for my roomate > > to transfer the files from his windows box to my HD. After we get telnet > > set up how would I go about installing speakup and or applying the patches > > to the kernel. I tried it before but to no success. Can someone give me > > a step by step set of instructions to get this installed. In regards to my > > kernel I looked in /usr/src and didnt find a folder that reads linux? What > > do I do next? I am deffinately new to dealing with the kernel and may need > > some extra help. Thank you very much in advance! > > > > Ryan > > > > > > --- > > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses as a service to Keeling Inc. Customers] > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Director > Technology Research and Development > Governmental Relations Group > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: Linux help Please! Linux help Please! Ryan Mcmanomy ` Janina Sajka @ ` Doug Sutherland ` Doug Sutherland ` (2 more replies) ` audacity and speakup? Karen Lewellen 2 siblings, 3 replies; 23+ messages in thread From: Doug Sutherland @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > need to get telnet or some sort of service up and running If you are running inetd on that linux server, you may need to edit the /etc/inetd.conf and make sure this line is not commented out: telnet stream tcp nowait root /usr/bin/tcpd in.telnetd You cannot telnet in as root user. So you must create a userid for yourself before trying to telnet in from windows. You can do useradd ryan or if that doesn't work try adduser ryan then set the password passwd ryan > for my roomate to transfer the files from his windows box to my HD. Telnet allows a login session but not file transfer. There is also a line for ftp in /etc/inetd.conf, make sure it is not commented out ftp stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd proftpd Just like telnet, you can't login with ftp as root, so you will use the ryan login. You many need to check your init scripts in /etc/rc.d to make sure that inetd, telnet, and ftp are started during initialization. The details of this depends on your distribution. Before even looking at that though, set the two machines on the same subnet, and trying doing the telnet and ftp into the linux box. It may work if the init scripts are starting the services. > After we get telnet set up how would I go about installing speakup > and or applying the patches to the kernel. Use the speakup 1.5 before trying the cvs stuff. Extract the speakup file in /usr/src. Then cd to the speakup directory, and run the install program to patch the kernel source, but doing ./install > /usr/src and didnt find a folder that reads linux? You may not have the linux kernel source installed. Try doing this: ls -l /usr/src/linux* If you see no linux-2.4.xx and no linux, then you don't have the source installed. Install the source and then make sure that there is a link for /usr/src/linux -> linux-2.4.xx. If the link doesn't exist, but the linux source does, create the link like this: cd /usr/src ln -s linux-2.4.25 linux (use your specific kernel rev for that command) With the linux source installed, after running the ./install within the /usr/src/speakup-1.5 directory, you need to compile the kernel. You need to do something like this: make config make dep make bzImage make modules make modules_install When the make config is run, there will new options in console drivers for speakup. If you compile your specific syth module into the kernel (statically, not as module), then it should work on boot. See the speakup docs that are inside the speakup dir for more information. You might want to redirect the output of the kernel build as kirk describes in his docs. If you get stuck, ask questions. You may also be able to find a kernel with speakup built in already. If you ask for help later, mention which distribution of linux you are using (redhat, fedora, slackware, debian, or ?). -- Doug ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: Linux help Please! ` Doug Sutherland @ ` Doug Sutherland ` Luke Davis ` Patching in cvs versions was " Krister Ekstrom 2 siblings, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread From: Doug Sutherland @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I forgot to mention, after compiling a kernel, you need to copy the new kernel image to /boot cp /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/vmlinuz You can can use any name you like for the target, vmlinuz was just an example, you could call it linux-2.4.25-speakup for example. You then have to tell your bootloader about the new kernel image. If using lilo, edit /etc/lilo.conf and add entries for the new kernel image. Then run /sbin/lilo to update the bootloader. If using grub, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and add entries for the new kernel image. -- Doug ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: Linux help Please! ` Doug Sutherland ` Doug Sutherland @ ` Luke Davis ` Doug Sutherland ` Patching in cvs versions was " Krister Ekstrom 2 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread From: Luke Davis @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. You forgot: make mrproper (before make config) On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, Doug Sutherland wrote: [.] > You need to do something like this: > > make config > make dep > make bzImage > make modules > make modules_install > > When the make config is run, there will new options in console > drivers for speakup. If you compile your specific syth module > into the kernel (statically, not as module), then it should work > on boot. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: Linux help Please! ` Luke Davis @ ` Doug Sutherland 0 siblings, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread From: Doug Sutherland @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Luke wrote: > You forgot: > make mrproper > (before make config) Yeah, however, if you install the kernel source on a distribution, you often get a .config already set up with a set of decent options. And if you do a make mrproper it deletes that. For someone new to compiling kernels, deciding what to do in make config can be very confusing. So it may make sense to use a default kernel config from a distribution. I actually use a script to build kernels, so I only have to type one command to do it. Once I have a kernel .config that I like, I save it to /boot with the kernel rev number, like /boot/config-2.4.25. If I want to compile a new kernel I just copy this script linux-2.4.25.sh into the /usr/src/linux dir and run it ./linux-2.4.25.sh #!/bin/sh rm -rf /lib/modules/2.4.25 && rm -f /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.25 && rm -f /boot/System.map-2.4.25 && make mrproper && cp /boot/config-2.4.25 /usr/src/linux/.config && make oldconfig && make dep && make bzImage && make modules && make modules_install && cp System.map /boot/System.map-2.4.25 && cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.25 I have symbolic links in boot for vmlinuz-2.4.25 - > vmlinuz System.map-2.4.25 -> System.map Because I use grub there is nothing else to do except reboot after running this script. There is one thing I do slightly differently, I use the gcc 2.95.3 for my kernel builds, because it is very stable, and is what the kernel folks actually recommend as a compiler for kernels. So my script does this in the make lines: make CC=/opt/gcc-2.95.3/bin/cc dep && make CC=/opt/gcc-2.95.3/bin/cc bzImage && make CC=/opt/gcc-2.95.3/bin/cc modules && make CC=/opt/gcc-2.95.3/bin/cc modules_install && -- Doug >On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, Doug Sutherland wrote: > >[.] > > You need to do something like this: > > > > make config > > make dep > > make bzImage > > make modules > > make modules_install > > > > When the make config is run, there will new options in console > > drivers for speakup. If you compile your specific syth module > > into the kernel (statically, not as module), then it should work > > on boot. > >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Patching in cvs versions was Re: Linux help Please! ` Doug Sutherland ` Doug Sutherland ` Luke Davis @ ` Krister Ekstrom 2 siblings, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread From: Krister Ekstrom @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 Hi list! Speaking about installing speakup versions, I just wanted to know where one might find instructions on how to patch in CVS speakup versions into ones kernel. There's probably a readme file somewhere, but i couldn't find it. TIA - -- /Krister -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAboaAODlJeoMTOQsRA6E6AKC1kNt16mZVoJWUgNkd3zrBlF+bcgCgsW0o 4X7nONY3CFfTXCt6qKU5fIs= =YHbT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* audacity and speakup? Linux help Please! Ryan Mcmanomy ` Janina Sajka ` Doug Sutherland @ ` Karen Lewellen ` Janina Sajka ` (2 more replies) 2 siblings, 3 replies; 23+ messages in thread From: Karen Lewellen @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi, anyone know if the Linux sound editor Audacity works well with speakup? thanks, Karen ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: audacity and speakup? ` audacity and speakup? Karen Lewellen @ ` Janina Sajka ` Krister Ekstrom ` Alex Snow 2 siblings, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. It's not a console app. Karen Lewellen writes: > Hi, > anyone know if the Linux sound editor > Audacity works well with speakup? > thanks, > Karen > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: audacity and speakup? ` audacity and speakup? Karen Lewellen ` Janina Sajka @ ` Krister Ekstrom ` Karen Lewellen ` Alex Snow 2 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread From: Krister Ekstrom @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 10:52:34PM -0500, Karen Lewellen wrote: > anyone know if the Linux sound editor > Audacity works well with speakup? I would also like to know that. I'm hunting for a good sound editor as well. I've got tips for a program called Ecasound, it's a multitrack editor so it feels a little overkill for what i want to do. What i want is an editor that can do what Soundforge does. Is there such a beast under console based linux? At the risk of getting flamed i'd say probably not. I guess there are such editors for GUI's but not for the text interface. Please correct me if i'm wrong, though. - -- /Krister -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAb90EODlJeoMTOQsRA3jFAKDt7wuzDCt6mLd9kYuRMd3TTcl2XACfZHh9 ToYIUaDGTV/ClPYWZ0wYxgY= =AVMy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: audacity and speakup? ` Krister Ekstrom @ ` Karen Lewellen ` Krister Ekstrom ` Alex Snow 0 siblings, 2 replies; 23+ messages in thread From: Karen Lewellen @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi, I would go one better, why not, given the willingness and creative flexibility of those in writing this program ask that an edition of audacity be written that is consol based? My understanding is that Linux was to be accessible, and given the power of this program it would be nice to have. Ideas? Karen On Sun, 4 Apr 2004, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: RIPEMD160 > > On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 10:52:34PM -0500, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > anyone know if the Linux sound editor > > Audacity works well with speakup? > > I would also like to know that. I'm hunting for a good sound editor as > well. I've got tips for a program called Ecasound, it's a multitrack > editor so it feels a little overkill for what i want to do. What i want > is an editor that can do what Soundforge does. Is there such a beast > under console based linux? At the risk of getting flamed i'd say > probably not. I guess there are such editors for GUI's but not for > the text interface. Please correct me if i'm wrong, though. > - -- > /Krister > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFAb90EODlJeoMTOQsRA3jFAKDt7wuzDCt6mLd9kYuRMd3TTcl2XACfZHh9 > ToYIUaDGTV/ClPYWZ0wYxgY= > =AVMy > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: audacity and speakup? ` Karen Lewellen @ ` Krister Ekstrom ` Karen Lewellen ` Alex Snow 1 sibling, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread From: Krister Ekstrom @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Sun, Apr 04, 2004 at 12:17:21PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote: > I would go one better, > why not, given the willingness and creative flexibility > of those in writing this program > ask that an edition of audacity be written > that is consol based? Yeah, preferably Ncurses based, but it almost has to be, or am i totally out fishing here? The only problem i see with this approach is that a great many folks use the Gui interface, and a consol-based app is less likely to get updated. - -- /Krister -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAcEnZODlJeoMTOQsRA/tFAKC3pnusX6mOK1lDFkwW0Yt1OaL4XgCcD76s rmwYhvsyKoet+FPnYE6gPho= =PJIj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: audacity and speakup? ` Krister Ekstrom @ ` Karen Lewellen ` Janina Sajka ` Alex Snow 0 siblings, 2 replies; 23+ messages in thread From: Karen Lewellen @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. ah, I think they would keep it up if they felt enough people would use it. besides, how often does it really need updating if set firmly in the first place? Karen On Sun, 4 Apr 2004, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: RIPEMD160 > > On Sun, Apr 04, 2004 at 12:17:21PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > I would go one better, > > why not, given the willingness and creative flexibility > > of those in writing this program > > ask that an edition of audacity be written > > that is consol based? > > Yeah, preferably Ncurses based, but it almost has to be, or am i totally > out fishing here? The only problem i see with this approach is that a > great many folks use the Gui interface, and a consol-based app is less > likely to get updated. > > - -- > /Krister > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFAcEnZODlJeoMTOQsRA/tFAKC3pnusX6mOK1lDFkwW0Yt1OaL4XgCcD76s > rmwYhvsyKoet+FPnYE6gPho= > =PJIj > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: audacity and speakup? ` Karen Lewellen @ ` Janina Sajka ` Karen Lewellen ` Alex Snow 1 sibling, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Methinks you're out fisshing. Who do you mean by "they?" This is an open source project. You want a different feature--here's the source, go build it. Karen Lewellen writes: > ah, I think they would keep it up > if they felt enough people would use it. > besides, how often does it really need updating > if set firmly in the first place? > Karen > > On Sun, 4 Apr 2004, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: RIPEMD160 > > > > On Sun, Apr 04, 2004 at 12:17:21PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > > I would go one better, > > > why not, given the willingness and creative flexibility > > > of those in writing this program > > > ask that an edition of audacity be written > > > that is consol based? > > > > Yeah, preferably Ncurses based, but it almost has to be, or am i totally > > out fishing here? The only problem i see with this approach is that a > > great many folks use the Gui interface, and a consol-based app is less > > likely to get updated. > > > > - -- > > /Krister > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQFAcEnZODlJeoMTOQsRA/tFAKC3pnusX6mOK1lDFkwW0Yt1OaL4XgCcD76s > > rmwYhvsyKoet+FPnYE6gPho= > > =PJIj > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: audacity and speakup? ` Janina Sajka @ ` Karen Lewellen ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread From: Karen Lewellen @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. By they, I mean those who took it upon themselves to create and update this program i am neither a member of the project, nor a computer programmer, I mean no disrespect, nor am i fishing. I can however write to those listed as contacts for this arm of the project and make inquiries. On Sun, 4 Apr 2004, Janina Sajka wrote: > Methinks you're out fisshing. Who do you mean by "they?" This is an open source project. You want a different feature--here's the source, go build it. > > > Karen Lewellen writes: > > ah, I think they would keep it up > > if they felt enough people would use it. > > besides, how often does it really need updating > > if set firmly in the first place? > > Karen > > > > On Sun, 4 Apr 2004, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: RIPEMD160 > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 04, 2004 at 12:17:21PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > > > I would go one better, > > > > why not, given the willingness and creative flexibility > > > > of those in writing this program > > > > ask that an edition of audacity be written > > > > that is consol based? > > > > > > Yeah, preferably Ncurses based, but it almost has to be, or am i totally > > > out fishing here? The only problem i see with this approach is that a > > > great many folks use the Gui interface, and a consol-based app is less > > > likely to get updated. > > > > > > - -- > > > /Krister > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > iD8DBQFAcEnZODlJeoMTOQsRA/tFAKC3pnusX6mOK1lDFkwW0Yt1OaL4XgCcD76s > > > rmwYhvsyKoet+FPnYE6gPho= > > > =PJIj > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Director > Technology Research and Development > Governmental Relations Group > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: audacity and speakup? ` Karen Lewellen @ ` Janina Sajka ` Karen Lewellen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I guess I didn't make myself clear. The "they" that generally needs to take on such assignments is the "they" who want the feature. Please recognize that they who wrote the application already have the interface they need. So, even if you can talk them into working for you for free--and this would be a very big job--you'd best think about what you'll give in return. Your gratitude is likely not enough. Karen Lewellen writes: > By they, I mean those who > took it upon themselves to create and update this > program > i am neither a member of the project, nor a computer programmer, > I mean no disrespect, nor am i fishing. > I can however write to those listed > as contacts for this arm of the project and make inquiries. > > > On Sun, 4 Apr 2004, Janina Sajka wrote: > > > Methinks you're out fisshing. Who do you mean by "they?" This is an open source project. You want a different feature--here's the source, go build it. > > > > > > Karen Lewellen writes: > > > ah, I think they would keep it up > > > if they felt enough people would use it. > > > besides, how often does it really need updating > > > if set firmly in the first place? > > > Karen > > > > > > On Sun, 4 Apr 2004, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > Hash: RIPEMD160 > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 04, 2004 at 12:17:21PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > > > > I would go one better, > > > > > why not, given the willingness and creative flexibility > > > > > of those in writing this program > > > > > ask that an edition of audacity be written > > > > > that is consol based? > > > > > > > > Yeah, preferably Ncurses based, but it almost has to be, or am i totally > > > > out fishing here? The only problem i see with this approach is that a > > > > great many folks use the Gui interface, and a consol-based app is less > > > > likely to get updated. > > > > > > > > - -- > > > > /Krister > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > > > iD8DBQFAcEnZODlJeoMTOQsRA/tFAKC3pnusX6mOK1lDFkwW0Yt1OaL4XgCcD76s > > > > rmwYhvsyKoet+FPnYE6gPho= > > > > =PJIj > > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > -- > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > Technology Research and Development > > Governmental Relations Group > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: audacity and speakup? ` Janina Sajka @ ` Karen Lewellen ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread From: Karen Lewellen @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. again, considering the number of sighted radio and studio professionals, who re both fed up with Microsoft problems, and want a command line based editor, i would give them customers, more than my thanks. Often one can forget that things which can make life easy for those who are challenged visually, make it easy for those who are not as well. Karen On Mon, 5 Apr 2004, Janina Sajka wrote: > I guess I didn't make myself clear. The "they" that generally needs to take on such assignments is the "they" who want the feature. Please recognize that they who wrote the application already have the interface they need. So, even if you can talk them into working for you for free--and this would be a very big job--you'd best think about what you'll give in return. Your gratitude is likely not enough. > > Karen Lewellen writes: > > By they, I mean those who > > took it upon themselves to create and update this > > program > > i am neither a member of the project, nor a computer programmer, > > I mean no disrespect, nor am i fishing. > > I can however write to those listed > > as contacts for this arm of the project and make inquiries. > > > > > > On Sun, 4 Apr 2004, Janina Sajka wrote: > > > > > Methinks you're out fisshing. Who do you mean by "they?" This is an open source project. You want a different feature--here's the source, go build it. > > > > > > > > > Karen Lewellen writes: > > > > ah, I think they would keep it up > > > > if they felt enough people would use it. > > > > besides, how often does it really need updating > > > > if set firmly in the first place? > > > > Karen > > > > > > > > On Sun, 4 Apr 2004, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > > Hash: RIPEMD160 > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 04, 2004 at 12:17:21PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > > > > > I would go one better, > > > > > > why not, given the willingness and creative flexibility > > > > > > of those in writing this program > > > > > > ask that an edition of audacity be written > > > > > > that is consol based? > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, preferably Ncurses based, but it almost has to be, or am i totally > > > > > out fishing here? The only problem i see with this approach is that a > > > > > great many folks use the Gui interface, and a consol-based app is less > > > > > likely to get updated. > > > > > > > > > > - -- > > > > > /Krister > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > > > > > iD8DBQFAcEnZODlJeoMTOQsRA/tFAKC3pnusX6mOK1lDFkwW0Yt1OaL4XgCcD76s > > > > > rmwYhvsyKoet+FPnYE6gPho= > > > > > =PJIj > > > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > > Technology Research and Development > > > Governmental Relations Group > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Director > Technology Research and Development > Governmental Relations Group > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: audacity and speakup? ` Karen Lewellen @ ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I don't follow your reasoning, Karen. What is a "customer" in the context of software which costs nothing? And, what's the evidence that sighted folk are clammoring for CLI tools? Karen Lewellen writes: > again, > considering the number of sighted radio and studio professionals, > who re both fed up with Microsoft problems, and want > a command line based editor, i would give them customers, more than my > thanks. > Often one can forget that things which > can make life easy for those who are challenged visually, > make it easy for those who are not as well. > Karen > > On Mon, 5 Apr 2004, Janina Sajka wrote: > > > I guess I didn't make myself clear. The "they" that generally needs to take on such assignments is the "they" who want the feature. Please recognize that they who wrote the application already have the interface they need. So, even if you can talk them into working for you for free--and this would be a very big job--you'd best think about what you'll give in return. Your gratitude is likely not enough. > > > > Karen Lewellen writes: > > > By they, I mean those who > > > took it upon themselves to create and update this > > > program > > > i am neither a member of the project, nor a computer programmer, > > > I mean no disrespect, nor am i fishing. > > > I can however write to those listed > > > as contacts for this arm of the project and make inquiries. > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 4 Apr 2004, Janina Sajka wrote: > > > > > > > Methinks you're out fisshing. Who do you mean by "they?" This is an open source project. You want a different feature--here's the source, go build it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Karen Lewellen writes: > > > > > ah, I think they would keep it up > > > > > if they felt enough people would use it. > > > > > besides, how often does it really need updating > > > > > if set firmly in the first place? > > > > > Karen > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 4 Apr 2004, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > > > Hash: RIPEMD160 > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 04, 2004 at 12:17:21PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > > > > > > I would go one better, > > > > > > > why not, given the willingness and creative flexibility > > > > > > > of those in writing this program > > > > > > > ask that an edition of audacity be written > > > > > > > that is consol based? > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, preferably Ncurses based, but it almost has to be, or am i totally > > > > > > out fishing here? The only problem i see with this approach is that a > > > > > > great many folks use the Gui interface, and a consol-based app is less > > > > > > likely to get updated. > > > > > > > > > > > > - -- > > > > > > /Krister > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > > > > > > > iD8DBQFAcEnZODlJeoMTOQsRA/tFAKC3pnusX6mOK1lDFkwW0Yt1OaL4XgCcD76s > > > > > > rmwYhvsyKoet+FPnYE6gPho= > > > > > > =PJIj > > > > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > > > Technology Research and Development > > > > Governmental Relations Group > > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > > > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > -- > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > Technology Research and Development > > Governmental Relations Group > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: audacity and speakup? ` Karen Lewellen ` Janina Sajka @ ` Alex Snow 1 sibling, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread From: Alex Snow @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 it would need updating whenever the editor was updated. On Sun, Apr 04, 2004 at 02:29:00PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote: > ah, I think they would keep it up > if they felt enough people would use it. > besides, how often does it really need updating > if set firmly in the first place? > Karen > > On Sun, 4 Apr 2004, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: RIPEMD160 > > > > On Sun, Apr 04, 2004 at 12:17:21PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > > I would go one better, > > > why not, given the willingness and creative flexibility > > > of those in writing this program > > > ask that an edition of audacity be written > > > that is consol based? > > > > Yeah, preferably Ncurses based, but it almost has to be, or am i totally > > out fishing here? The only problem i see with this approach is that a > > great many folks use the Gui interface, and a consol-based app is less > > likely to get updated. > > > > - -- > > /Krister > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQFAcEnZODlJeoMTOQsRA/tFAKC3pnusX6mOK1lDFkwW0Yt1OaL4XgCcD76s > > rmwYhvsyKoet+FPnYE6gPho= > > =PJIj > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup - -- Now, it we had this sort of thing: yield -a for yield to all traffic yield -t for yield to trucks yield -f for yield to people walking (yield foot) yield -d t* for yield on days starting with t ...you'd have a lot of dead people at intersections, and traffic jams you wouldn't believe... -- Discussion on the intuitiveness of commands -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAcI389XVrM3ri110RAvnjAJ9yFWXLktLkMKYQTt3uaNwpSbS1nACfSE/m C7y3zg8pqsYgyce989n9PM8= =wrfI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: audacity and speakup? ` Karen Lewellen ` Krister Ekstrom @ ` Alex Snow ` Karen Lewellen 1 sibling, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread From: Alex Snow @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 the problem with that is it'd take a complete redisgn of the interface, and a developer probably wouldn't want to undertake in such a task unless a large group of people requested it. On Sun, Apr 04, 2004 at 12:17:21PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Hi, > I would go one better, > why not, given the willingness and creative flexibility > of those in writing this program > ask that an edition of audacity be written > that is consol based? > My understanding is that Linux was to be accessible, > and given the power of this program it would be nice to > have. > Ideas? > Karen > > On Sun, 4 Apr 2004, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: RIPEMD160 > > > > On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 10:52:34PM -0500, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > > anyone know if the Linux sound editor > > > Audacity works well with speakup? > > > > I would also like to know that. I'm hunting for a good sound editor as > > well. I've got tips for a program called Ecasound, it's a multitrack > > editor so it feels a little overkill for what i want to do. What i want > > is an editor that can do what Soundforge does. Is there such a beast > > under console based linux? At the risk of getting flamed i'd say > > probably not. I guess there are such editors for GUI's but not for > > the text interface. Please correct me if i'm wrong, though. > > - -- > > /Krister > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQFAb90EODlJeoMTOQsRA3jFAKDt7wuzDCt6mLd9kYuRMd3TTcl2XACfZHh9 > > ToYIUaDGTV/ClPYWZ0wYxgY= > > =AVMy > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup - -- By golly, I'm beginning to think Linux really *is* the best thing since sliced bread. -- Vance Petree, Virginia Power -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAcI129XVrM3ri110RAnFsAJ9FBbxNCYmXM+Q3F/VugC8/Yi2+ZACeImWQ 9ASgZ8GdGFiW5lQGLph/Y5M= =Dv0D -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: audacity and speakup? ` Alex Snow @ ` Karen Lewellen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread From: Karen Lewellen @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Indeed, and i know a large group of people who would love it. radio producers who must use lap tops and would rather have a good command line keyboard based sound editor that works like the others. rather than not being able to do a thing with their sound until they get back to their large computers. a market exists. Karen On Sun, 4 Apr 2004, Alex Snow wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > the problem with that is it'd take a complete redisgn of the > interface, and a developer probably wouldn't want to undertake in such > a task unless a large group of people requested it. > On > Sun, Apr 04, 2004 at 12:17:21PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > Hi, > > I would go one better, > > why not, given the willingness and creative flexibility > > of those in writing this program > > ask that an edition of audacity be written > > that is consol based? > > My understanding is that Linux was to be accessible, > > and given the power of this program it would be nice to > > have. > > Ideas? > > Karen > > > > On Sun, 4 Apr 2004, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: RIPEMD160 > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 10:52:34PM -0500, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > > > anyone know if the Linux sound editor > > > > Audacity works well with speakup? > > > > > > I would also like to know that. I'm hunting for a good sound editor as > > > well. I've got tips for a program called Ecasound, it's a multitrack > > > editor so it feels a little overkill for what i want to do. What i want > > > is an editor that can do what Soundforge does. Is there such a beast > > > under console based linux? At the risk of getting flamed i'd say > > > probably not. I guess there are such editors for GUI's but not for > > > the text interface. Please correct me if i'm wrong, though. > > > - -- > > > /Krister > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > iD8DBQFAb90EODlJeoMTOQsRA3jFAKDt7wuzDCt6mLd9kYuRMd3TTcl2XACfZHh9 > > > ToYIUaDGTV/ClPYWZ0wYxgY= > > > =AVMy > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > - -- > By golly, I'm beginning to think Linux really *is* the best thing since > sliced bread. > -- Vance Petree, Virginia Power > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFAcI129XVrM3ri110RAnFsAJ9FBbxNCYmXM+Q3F/VugC8/Yi2+ZACeImWQ > 9ASgZ8GdGFiW5lQGLph/Y5M= > =Dv0D > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: audacity and speakup? ` audacity and speakup? Karen Lewellen ` Janina Sajka ` Krister Ekstrom @ ` Alex Snow 2 siblings, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread From: Alex Snow @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Nope it's not going to work with speakup..it's x based. which is too bad since it's a nice editor. I use the windows version sometimes. Always borrow money from a pessimist; he doesn't expect to be paid back. On Sat, 3 Apr 2004, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Hi, > anyone know if the Linux sound editor > Audacity works well with speakup? > thanks, > Karen > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
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