Just installed Debian 3.1!

Just installed Debian 3.1!

[Arthur Pirika]

Hi there, well, the subject line says it all.
I must say, with the new speakup 2.0, combined with the new debian installer, installing this beast was very easy.
All the menu highlighting worked perfectly, and everything went without a hitch.

I'll just point out one thing though. I used a braille note in remote synth mode to do the install! How? used the bns driver.
It worked, but the speakup interupt keys didn't work, and the volume went waaay down on the unit, even with the volume set at its maximum.
Maybe this could prompt Keynote SA driver development? Or perhaps someone with some time and knoledge could modify the current keypc driver?

Also, what should I look out for when doing updates? should I prevent kernel upgrades? or how will this work. I used the netinst cd to do the install.

Thanks for reading,
Arthur.

Re: Just installed Debian 3.1!

[hank smith]

what was the url of the new debian?
email:
hanksmith4@earthlink.net
gmail:
hanksmith5@gmail.com
msn messenger:
hanksmith4@earthlink.net
aim:
hanksmith5
skype:
hanksmith5
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Pirika" <apirika@orcon.net.nz>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 11:15 AM
Subject: Just installed Debian 3.1!


Hi there, well, the subject line says it all.
I must say, with the new speakup 2.0, combined with the new debian 
installer, installing this beast was very easy.
All the menu highlighting worked perfectly, and everything went without a 
hitch.

I'll just point out one thing though. I used a braille note in remote synth 
mode to do the install! How? used the bns driver.
It worked, but the speakup interupt keys didn't work, and the volume went 
waaay down on the unit, even with the volume set at its maximum.
Maybe this could prompt Keynote SA driver development? Or perhaps someone 
with some time and knoledge could modify the current keypc driver?

Also, what should I look out for when doing updates? should I prevent kernel 
upgrades? or how will this work. I used the netinst cd to do the install.

Thanks for reading,
Arthur.


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Re: Just installed Debian 3.1!

[Arthur Pirika]

Are you wanting to burn your own netinst cd? or boot off boot/root disks.
Actually, in either case, just follow the links on the speakup site, and 
you'll get to the debian sarge section.

Thanks,
Arthur.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "hank smith" <hanksmith4@earthlink.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 6:45 AM
Subject: Re: Just installed Debian 3.1!


> what was the url of the new debian?
> email:
> hanksmith4@earthlink.net
> gmail:
> hanksmith5@gmail.com
> msn messenger:
> hanksmith4@earthlink.net
> aim:
> hanksmith5
> skype:
> hanksmith5
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Arthur Pirika" <apirika@orcon.net.nz>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 11:15 AM
> Subject: Just installed Debian 3.1!
>
>
> Hi there, well, the subject line says it all.
> I must say, with the new speakup 2.0, combined with the new debian 
> installer, installing this beast was very easy.
> All the menu highlighting worked perfectly, and everything went without a 
> hitch.
>
> I'll just point out one thing though. I used a braille note in remote 
> synth mode to do the install! How? used the bns driver.
> It worked, but the speakup interupt keys didn't work, and the volume went 
> waaay down on the unit, even with the volume set at its maximum.
> Maybe this could prompt Keynote SA driver development? Or perhaps someone 
> with some time and knoledge could modify the current keypc driver?
>
> Also, what should I look out for when doing updates? should I prevent 
> kernel upgrades? or how will this work. I used the netinst cd to do the 
> install.
>
> Thanks for reading,
> Arthur.
>
>
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Re: Just installed Debian 3.1!

[Sean McMahon]

You can find it off the speakup site go to debian installation page from there.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "hank smith" <hanksmith4@earthlink.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: Just installed Debian 3.1!


> what was the url of the new debian?
> email:
> hanksmith4@earthlink.net
> gmail:
> hanksmith5@gmail.com
> msn messenger:
> hanksmith4@earthlink.net
> aim:
> hanksmith5
> skype:
> hanksmith5
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Arthur Pirika" <apirika@orcon.net.nz>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 11:15 AM
> Subject: Just installed Debian 3.1!
>
>
> Hi there, well, the subject line says it all.
> I must say, with the new speakup 2.0, combined with the new debian
> installer, installing this beast was very easy.
> All the menu highlighting worked perfectly, and everything went without a
> hitch.
>
> I'll just point out one thing though. I used a braille note in remote synth
> mode to do the install! How? used the bns driver.
> It worked, but the speakup interupt keys didn't work, and the volume went
> waaay down on the unit, even with the volume set at its maximum.
> Maybe this could prompt Keynote SA driver development? Or perhaps someone
> with some time and knoledge could modify the current keypc driver?
>
> Also, what should I look out for when doing updates? should I prevent kernel
> upgrades? or how will this work. I used the netinst cd to do the install.
>
> Thanks for reading,
> Arthur.
>
>
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Re: Just installed Debian 3.1!

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.

About the only thing to consider is to make sure you upgrade when
security fixes are released for packages on your system.  Since you
appear to be using a speakup kernel, you don't need to worry about
upgrades.  The same will be true if you decide to build your own kernel.

Either subscribe to debian-security-announce so you see the
announcements for security fixes, or remember to run

apt-get update&&apt-get -u dist-upgrade

on a regular basis.  This assumes you have the line for
security.debian.org in your sources.list and it is uncommented.

My line looks like
deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main non-free contrib

Hope this helps.
          Kenny
	  
On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 06:15:53AM +1200, Arthur Pirika wrote:
> Hi there, well, the subject line says it all.
> I must say, with the new speakup 2.0, combined with the new debian installer, installing this beast was very easy.
> All the menu highlighting worked perfectly, and everything went without a hitch.
> 
> I'll just point out one thing though. I used a braille note in remote synth mode to do the install! How? used the bns driver.
> It worked, but the speakup interupt keys didn't work, and the volume went waaay down on the unit, even with the volume set at its maximum.
> Maybe this could prompt Keynote SA driver development? Or perhaps someone with some time and knoledge could modify the current keypc driver?
> 
> Also, what should I look out for when doing updates? should I prevent kernel upgrades? or how will this work. I used the netinst cd to do the install.
> 
> Thanks for reading,
> Arthur.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Just installed Debian 3.1!

[Sean McMahon]

I'll skip the tutorial on general debian updating for now.  Debian won't
override your speakup kernel with a non-speakup kernel.  If your bootloader is
grub, I don't think there are any configuration questions you need to answer if
the speakup kernel has a new release.  After the new speakup kernel is
installed, ensure your /boot/grub/menu.lst file has the correct boot options
specified for your synth etc.  If your bootloader is lilo, you have to do the
following:
1. answer no to the question "Do you want to stop?"
2. Allow the bootloader to create a initrd . Can't remember if that is a
specific question.
3. Say no to the question "create a new boot block?"
4. Do not wipeout your old lilo configuration and replace it.
5. After the new kernel is installed, run lilo and check your /etc/lilo.conf to
ensure your proper boot options like your synth are there when you reboot.
If you ran lilo before changing anything in lilo.conf, re-run lilo after
applying the necessary changes.
I don't know if Debian will automatically upgrade you from one kernel to a
higher version of the speakup kernel I.E. kernel-image-2.4.27-speakup to
kernel-image-2.4.28-speakup if 2.4.28 were to become the officially supported
kernel for sarge. Usually when you install new kernels, new entries are added to
your respective bootloader configuration file.
Upgrades can occur from one release to another of the same speakup kernel image
deb, I.E. kernel-image-2.4.27-speakup gets upgraded from 2.4.27-1 to 2.4.27-2
hth
Sean
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Pirika" <apirika@orcon.net.nz>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 11:15 AM
Subject: Just installed Debian 3.1!


Hi there, well, the subject line says it all.
I must say, with the new speakup 2.0, combined with the new debian installer,
installing this beast was very easy.
All the menu highlighting worked perfectly, and everything went without a hitch.

I'll just point out one thing though. I used a braille note in remote synth mode
to do the install! How? used the bns driver.
It worked, but the speakup interupt keys didn't work, and the volume went waaay
down on the unit, even with the volume set at its maximum.
Maybe this could prompt Keynote SA driver development? Or perhaps someone with
some time and knoledge could modify the current keypc driver?

Also, what should I look out for when doing updates? should I prevent kernel
upgrades? or how will this work. I used the netinst cd to do the install.

Thanks for reading,
Arthur.


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Re: Just installed Debian 3.1!

[Thomas Stivers]

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On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 02:07:28 PM -0700, Sean McMahon wrote:
> I'll skip the tutorial on general debian updating for now.  Debian won't
> override your speakup kernel with a non-speakup kernel.  If your bootloader is
> grub, I don't think there are any configuration questions you need to answer if
> the speakup kernel has a new release.  After the new speakup kernel is
> installed, ensure your /boot/grub/menu.lst file has the correct boot options

I( must say I was impressed when I recently installed from Shane's
speakup netinst cd that the kernel option I gave at boot was kept in the
menu.lst file. I was all ready to go fiddle with it by hand, but it
just worked. If only getting potato installed had been that easy I would
never have had my love hate relationship with slackware and would have
been able to enjoy Debian that much longer. Thanks to everyone involved
for the good work.

- -- 
"Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are,
by definition, not smart enough to debug it." - Brian W. Kernighan

Thomas Stivers	e-mail: stivers_t@tomass.dyndns.org
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Re: Just installed Debian 3.1!

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.

I don't remember the exact steps either, but you are wrong on two of
them so far.

You shouldn't post messages with info that could cause person's system
to become unbootable if you aren't 100 percent sure you know what what
you are talking about.

Kirk has a motto.  Why be helpful when you're not".

In this case, you aren't helpful and possibly harmful.

          Kenny
	  
On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 02:07:28PM -0700, Sean McMahon wrote:
> I'll skip the tutorial on general debian updating for now.  Debian won't
> override your speakup kernel with a non-speakup kernel.  If your bootloader is
> grub, I don't think there are any configuration questions you need to answer if
> the speakup kernel has a new release.  After the new speakup kernel is
> installed, ensure your /boot/grub/menu.lst file has the correct boot options
> specified for your synth etc.  If your bootloader is lilo, you have to do the
> following:
> 1. answer no to the question "Do you want to stop?"
> 2. Allow the bootloader to create a initrd . Can't remember if that is a
> specific question.
> 3. Say no to the question "create a new boot block?"
> 4. Do not wipeout your old lilo configuration and replace it.
> 5. After the new kernel is installed, run lilo and check your /etc/lilo.conf to
> ensure your proper boot options like your synth are there when you reboot.
> If you ran lilo before changing anything in lilo.conf, re-run lilo after
> applying the necessary changes.
> I don't know if Debian will automatically upgrade you from one kernel to a
> higher version of the speakup kernel I.E. kernel-image-2.4.27-speakup to
> kernel-image-2.4.28-speakup if 2.4.28 were to become the officially supported
> kernel for sarge. Usually when you install new kernels, new entries are added to
> your respective bootloader configuration file.
> Upgrades can occur from one release to another of the same speakup kernel image
> deb, I.E. kernel-image-2.4.27-speakup gets upgraded from 2.4.27-1 to 2.4.27-2
> hth
> Sean
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Arthur Pirika" <apirika@orcon.net.nz>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 11:15 AM
> Subject: Just installed Debian 3.1!
> 
> 
> Hi there, well, the subject line says it all.
> I must say, with the new speakup 2.0, combined with the new debian installer,
> installing this beast was very easy.
> All the menu highlighting worked perfectly, and everything went without a hitch.
> 
> I'll just point out one thing though. I used a braille note in remote synth mode
> to do the install! How? used the bns driver.
> It worked, but the speakup interupt keys didn't work, and the volume went waaay
> down on the unit, even with the volume set at its maximum.
> Maybe this could prompt Keynote SA driver development? Or perhaps someone with
> some time and knoledge could modify the current keypc driver?
> 
> Also, what should I look out for when doing updates? should I prevent kernel
> upgrades? or how will this work. I used the netinst cd to do the install.
> 
> Thanks for reading,
> Arthur.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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> 
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Re: Just installed Debian 3.1!

[jaffar]

Hi.  My experience was altogether different.  I booted up the disk, but 
there was no activity at all.  I tried to do an install with the first 
binary iso alone.  Perhaps I forgot a step or two?  Cheers!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Pirika" <apirika@orcon.net.nz>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 2:15 AM
Subject: Just installed Debian 3.1!


Hi there, well, the subject line says it all.
I must say, with the new speakup 2.0, combined with the new debian 
installer, installing this beast was very easy.
All the menu highlighting worked perfectly, and everything went without a 
hitch.

I'll just point out one thing though. I used a braille note in remote synth 
mode to do the install! How? used the bns driver.
It worked, but the speakup interupt keys didn't work, and the volume went 
waaay down on the unit, even with the volume set at its maximum.
Maybe this could prompt Keynote SA driver development? Or perhaps someone 
with some time and knoledge could modify the current keypc driver?

Also, what should I look out for when doing updates? should I prevent kernel 
upgrades? or how will this work. I used the netinst cd to do the install.

Thanks for reading,
Arthur.


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Re: Just installed Debian 3.1!

[Thomas Stivers]

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On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 08:36:43 AM +0800, jaffar@jeffstudio.net wrote:
> Hi.  My experience was altogether different.  I booted up the disk, but 
> there was no activity at all.  I tried to do an install with the first 
> binary iso alone.  Perhaps I forgot a step or two?  Cheers!

You want to be using the netinst image with speakup in it. It is
available at http://people.debian.org/~shane/netinst-speakup/
You can use the first binary cd you have to install packages above and
beyond the base system without having to download them.

- -- 
"Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are,
by definition, not smart enough to debug it." - Brian W. Kernighan

Thomas Stivers	e-mail: stivers_t@tomass.dyndns.org
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Re: Just installed Debian 3.1!

[jaffar]

Hi Thommas.  Thanks for the tip.  I'll go try it out and see if it works. 
Cheers!

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From: "Thomas Stivers" <stivers_t@tomass.dyndns.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: Just installed Debian 3.1!


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> On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 08:36:43 AM +0800, jaffar@jeffstudio.net wrote:
>> Hi.  My experience was altogether different.  I booted up the disk, but
>> there was no activity at all.  I tried to do an install with the first
>> binary iso alone.  Perhaps I forgot a step or two?  Cheers!
>
> You want to be using the netinst image with speakup in it. It is
> available at http://people.debian.org/~shane/netinst-speakup/
> You can use the first binary cd you have to install packages above and
> beyond the base system without having to download them.
>
> - -- 
> "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
> Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are,
> by definition, not smart enough to debug it." - Brian W. Kernighan
>
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Re: Just installed Debian 3.1!

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.

You need a modified disk and not an ISO from debian.org.  The only disks
from debian.org ar the "access floppies".  These are 4 1.44 floppy
images.  Are you using an iso image, or the access floppies?

          Kenny

On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 08:36:43AM +0800, jaffar@jeffstudio.net wrote:
> Hi.  My experience was altogether different.  I booted up the disk, but 
> there was no activity at all.  I tried to do an install with the first 
> binary iso alone.  Perhaps I forgot a step or two?  Cheers!
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Arthur Pirika" <apirika@orcon.net.nz>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 2:15 AM
> Subject: Just installed Debian 3.1!
> 
> 
> Hi there, well, the subject line says it all.
> I must say, with the new speakup 2.0, combined with the new debian 
> installer, installing this beast was very easy.
> All the menu highlighting worked perfectly, and everything went without a 
> hitch.
> 
> I'll just point out one thing though. I used a braille note in remote synth 
> mode to do the install! How? used the bns driver.
> It worked, but the speakup interupt keys didn't work, and the volume went 
> waaay down on the unit, even with the volume set at its maximum.
> Maybe this could prompt Keynote SA driver development? Or perhaps someone 
> with some time and knoledge could modify the current keypc driver?
> 
> Also, what should I look out for when doing updates? should I prevent 
> kernel upgrades? or how will this work. I used the netinst cd to do the 
> install.
> 
> Thanks for reading,
> Arthur.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
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Re: Just installed Debian 3.1!

[Ameer Armaly]

Personally I just build my kernels and drop all the distro kernel stuff, but 
that's just because I don't like packages messing around with what they 
don't have to.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Pirika" <apirika@orcon.net.nz>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 2:15 PM
Subject: Just installed Debian 3.1!


Hi there, well, the subject line says it all.
I must say, with the new speakup 2.0, combined with the new debian 
installer, installing this beast was very easy.
All the menu highlighting worked perfectly, and everything went without a 
hitch.

I'll just point out one thing though. I used a braille note in remote synth 
mode to do the install! How? used the bns driver.
It worked, but the speakup interupt keys didn't work, and the volume went 
waaay down on the unit, even with the volume set at its maximum.
Maybe this could prompt Keynote SA driver development? Or perhaps someone 
with some time and knoledge could modify the current keypc driver?

Also, what should I look out for when doing updates? should I prevent kernel 
upgrades? or how will this work. I used the netinst cd to do the install.

Thanks for reading,
Arthur.


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