* text console tools for audio processing
@ Chuck Hallenbeck
` John covici
0 siblings, 1 reply; 25+ messages in thread
From: Chuck Hallenbeck @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
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Hi,
For some time I have been putting together a package that simplifies
many common audio editing tasks, and I think it might be of interest to
some here. It is called wedit, and is a GPL package available on my web
site.
Wedit is partly a front-end to many common gnu/linux tools such as sox,
lame, mplayer, timidity, flac, and others. But it also includes many
intrinsic abilities for editing, smoothing, track and clip manipulation,
etc.
When installed, wedit can be run interactively, or can be invoked as a
non-interactive command line tool by one of its many aliases (symlinks,
actually) to convert an audio file from one format to another,
optionally doing other things while converting.
For example, to convert a wave file of any sampling rate, either mono
or stereo, to a burnable CDR format, you would do this:
wed2cdr filename.wav
to convert any type of wave file to mp3 using 22K samples with stereo,
do this:
wed2mp3 -22s filename.wav
To convert a midi file to Sun audio format (8K samples, 8 bit bytes,
u-law) do this:
wed2au filename.mid
etc., etc., etc.
Wedit has extensive online help and a man page, which are maybe 95%
accurate on a good day. There are of course a lot of features offered
by sox, lame, and mplayer which are not available to wedit users, but
the tradeoff here is simplicity of use over completeness of function.
If sox can do something that wedit won't let you do, well then, use
sox.
Help yourself. Money back guaranteed.
Chuck
PS: Oh es. Wedit can also generate certain simple tones for test
purposes, such as sine waves, square waves, and both kinds of sawtooth
waves, can emulate motion of a sound source, do fading, capture audio
from your sound card (for many sound cards), and lots of other fun
thngs, but only in its interactive mode. It might not do what you need
it to do, but it does so many thngs that you really should give it a
shot before giving up and regressing to windows.
- --
The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (95% of Full)
My web site: http://hallenbeck.ftml.net and my cell phone: 1-518-334-9022.
--------
"With us nothing has time to gather meaning, and too many things
are occurring for even a big heart to hold."
- --W. B. Yeats
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 25+ messages in thread* text console tools for audio processing text console tools for audio processing Chuck Hallenbeck @ ` John covici ` Janina Sajka [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0806161540510.3591@gube.gnpgvphfpbzzhavpngvbaf.arg> 0 siblings, 2 replies; 25+ messages in thread From: John covici @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Will wedit do any kind of fast forward/rewind or, better yet, audio on as you page up and down the file? -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici covici@ccs.covici.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 25+ messages in thread
* Re: text console tools for audio processing ` John covici @ ` Janina Sajka ` luke ` Georgina Joyce [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0806161540510.3591@gube.gnpgvphfpbzzhavpngvbaf.arg> 1 sibling, 2 replies; 25+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I want to say that I am a very satisfied wedit user. I do a lot of editing in wedit. It's not perfect, and I don't believe Chuck claims anything like that. But, it's pretty darn handy in my life. To answer your question, John, ... I don't believe there's any real time control of audio playback or bookmark capibility. Might be nice, but not there. However, I have found it quite easy to home in on a particular region of audio in Wedit using it's play from percantage to percentage feature. For instance, on Wedit's third level I might issue a command like: play 20-40 which plays from 20% to 40% in the file. When I'm snipping unwanted sound, I might even go to something as fine as: snip 0-0.7892 Of course, I've first done some play commands that focused me on that value. Janina John covici writes: > Will wedit do any kind of fast forward/rewind or, better yet, audio on > as you page up and down the file? > > -- > Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: > How do > you spend it? > > John Covici > covici@ccs.covici.com > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.202.595.7777; sip:janina@a11y.org Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com Chair, Open Accessibility janina@a11y.org Linux Foundation http://a11y.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 25+ messages in thread
* Re: text console tools for audio processing ` Janina Sajka @ ` luke ` Chuck Hallenbeck ` Georgina Joyce 1 sibling, 1 reply; 25+ messages in thread From: luke @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. On Tue, 17 Jun 2008, Janina Sajka wrote: > I don't believe there's any real time control of audio playback or > bookmark capibility. Might be nice, but not there. However, I have found No bookmarks, but mplayer's text version can do the former well enough (it's an unresponsive beast some times, but it does the job). > it quite easy to home in on a particular region of audio in Wedit using > it's play from percantage to percentage feature. For instance, on > Wedit's third level I might issue a command like: > > play 20-40 > > which plays from 20% to 40% in the file. When I'm snipping unwanted > sound, I might even go to something as fine as: > > snip 0-0.7892 That will be a very interesting feature for me in particular, although doing it by percentage instead of by seconds and divisions of seconds, such as "sox file1.wav file2.wav trim 17:05.5218 2.1143" would be a bit strange, although I suspect it can work in that mode as well, as he's probably just invoking sox to do the actual editing. Luke ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 25+ messages in thread
* Re: text console tools for audio processing ` luke @ ` Chuck Hallenbeck ` luke 0 siblings, 1 reply; 25+ messages in thread From: Chuck Hallenbeck @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Luke, On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 03:32:16PM -0400, luke wrote: > On Tue, 17 Jun 2008, Janina Sajka wrote: > > That will be a very interesting feature for me in particular, although > doing it by percentage instead of by seconds and divisions of seconds, > such as "sox file1.wav file2.wav trim 17:05.5218 2.1143" would be a bit > strange, although I suspect it can work in that mode as well, as he's > probably just invoking sox to do the actual editing. > > Luke You can identify a point in a file either by percentages, or by minutes:seconds. A number without a colon is interpreted as a percent of the total length, a number with a colon is taken as minutes colon seconds, with the seconds part permitting a decimal point. Copy, snipp8ing, killing, and zapping a region of a track is done natively by wedit rather than relying on soc, since it is perfomred on the memory image of the file, not the file itself. Edges produced by those operations are faded sinusoidally over a 100 ms interval. The analogy is a diagonal splice of audio tape, except the slope of the splice is a half cycle of a sine wave instead of linear. HTH Chuck - -- The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (97% of Full) My web site: http://hallenbeck.ftml.net and my cell phone: 1-518-334-9022. -------- "With us nothing has time to gather meaning, and too many things are occurring for even a big heart to hold." - --W. B. Yeats -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkhWwqgACgkQ0maTgpPXM9fQ+ACbB1/nour9XCzf7FR9FaJ4fQAC eEIAn3Gqwij2jtKK85C/2278mJQIGivI =nPqr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 25+ messages in thread
* Re: text console tools for audio processing ` Chuck Hallenbeck @ ` luke ` Chuck Hallenbeck 0 siblings, 1 reply; 25+ messages in thread From: luke @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote: > You can identify a point in a file either by percentages, or by > minutes:seconds. A number without a colon is interpreted as a percent > of the total length, a number with a colon is taken as minutes colon > seconds, with the seconds part permitting a decimal point. Meaning that I would need "00:30.5" to reach thirty and a half seconds? > Copy, snipp8ing, killing, and zapping a region of a track is done > natively by wedit rather than relying on soc, since it is perfomred on > the memory image of the file, not the file itself. Edges produced by I see. That is fine, but it raises the issue of what kind of image you are working with, and how you handle, huge files. Sox for example, uses 32 bit unsigned PCM data for its work, converting in and out of that as necessary, meaning that wave files are the best intermediate format if you want to avoid transcoding artifacts. As for huge files: I frequently work with DVD audio rips ("mplayer dvd://1 -ao pcm:file=blabla.wav"), which can end up being two-six hours of 48K stereo audio, which results in wave files between 400MB and a few GB. Those are not going to make it into memory on any of my home systems. I should just RTFM, I know. Luke ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 25+ messages in thread
* Re: text console tools for audio processing ` luke @ ` Chuck Hallenbeck ` luke 0 siblings, 1 reply; 25+ messages in thread From: Chuck Hallenbeck @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Wedit uses 16 bit signed samples, one or two channels, in memory. So much of what you need to do is beyond the scope of wedit, I'm afraid. I have a system with a GB of memory and sometimes run into things I can't handle too. But most of my work is much less demanding than you indicated. So, if wedit can't handle it, there's always the underlying standard apps to fall back on. But as you know, when sox works on a huge file you may as well take a nap until it finishes. If you can put your task in memory, it is instantaneous. Chuck On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 03:56:16PM -0400, luke wrote: > On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote: > > > You can identify a point in a file either by percentages, or by > > minutes:seconds. A number without a colon is interpreted as a percent > > of the total length, a number with a colon is taken as minutes colon > > seconds, with the seconds part permitting a decimal point. > > Meaning that I would need "00:30.5" to reach thirty and a half seconds? > > > Copy, snipp8ing, killing, and zapping a region of a track is done > > natively by wedit rather than relying on soc, since it is perfomred on > > the memory image of the file, not the file itself. Edges produced by > > I see. That is fine, but it raises the issue of what kind of image you > are working with, and how you handle, huge files. Sox for example, uses > 32 bit unsigned PCM data for its work, converting in and out of that as > necessary, meaning that wave files are the best intermediate format if you > want to avoid transcoding artifacts. > > As for huge files: I frequently work with DVD audio rips ("mplayer dvd://1 > -ao pcm:file=blabla.wav"), which can end up being two-six hours of 48K > stereo audio, which results in wave files between 400MB and a few GB. > Those are not going to make it into memory on any of my home systems. > > I should just RTFM, I know. > > Luke > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup - -- The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (97% of Full) My web site: http://hallenbeck.ftml.net and my cell phone: 1-518-334-9022. -------- "With us nothing has time to gather meaning, and too many things are occurring for even a big heart to hold." - --W. B. Yeats -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkhW4A4ACgkQ0maTgpPXM9czMgCfeFC/9a+vrhSzw/6QWpPLixlh 3AkAn2OXxL6/DpDxd3OkUgvXAZAPQtqp =4FSZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 25+ messages in thread
* Re: text console tools for audio processing ` Chuck Hallenbeck @ ` luke 0 siblings, 0 replies; 25+ messages in thread From: luke @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote: > Wedit uses 16 bit signed samples, one or two channels, in memory. So > much of what you need to do is beyond the scope of wedit, I'm afraid. I > have a system with a GB of memory and sometimes run into things I can't > handle too. But most of my work is much less demanding than you > indicated. Got ya. Still, I can see some uses for it in non-huge jobs. > So, if wedit can't handle it, there's always the underlying standard > apps to fall back on. But as you know, when sox works on a huge file > you may as well take a nap until it finishes. If you can put your task > in memory, it is instantaneous. Indeed. Sox won't always work on files that big (I forget its upper limit, but it's somewhere around 2 gig), and I often have to pull files off of DVD in pieces of about 2 hour length, just so sox can handle them. A pita, that, but what'ya gonna do? Yes, I have often had to put a long series of pull, edit with sox, flac encode, rsync jobs in a nice big && sequence in bash, and then go to bed for the evening, so that it could be finished in the morning, and then worry about did I screw up one of the title numbers in all that?:) Sudoing to root's bash, and running with a niceness of -18 can help to speed things along from time to time, if I remember to do it. Luke ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 25+ messages in thread
* Re: text console tools for audio processing ` Janina Sajka ` luke @ ` Georgina Joyce ` Janina Sajka 1 sibling, 1 reply; 25+ messages in thread From: Georgina Joyce @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > which plays from 20% to 40% in the file. When I'm snipping unwanted > sound, I might even go to something as fine as: > > snip 0-0.7892 > > Of course, I've first done some play commands that focused me on that > value. > This sounds great. Are you saying that it has the capability of editing as can be achieved by using soundgrab? Gena > Janina > > John covici writes: > > Will wedit do any kind of fast forward/rewind or, better yet, audio on > > as you page up and down the file? > > > > -- > > Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: > > How do > > you spend it? > > > > John Covici > > covici@ccs.covici.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- Gena http://www.ready2golinux.com M0EBP ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 25+ messages in thread
* Re: text console tools for audio processing ` Georgina Joyce @ ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 0 replies; 25+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi, Gina: Well, I've never used soundgrab so I can't compare. I can tell you I use wedit to snip unwanted chunks off an audio file, and to splice together two parts that weren't continguous before. And, the splice/cut point can be calculated to a very fine point. hth Janina Georgina Joyce writes: > > > which plays from 20% to 40% in the file. When I'm snipping unwanted > > sound, I might even go to something as fine as: > > > > snip 0-0.7892 > > > > Of course, I've first done some play commands that focused me on that > > value. > > > > This sounds great. Are you saying that it has the capability of editing > as can be achieved by using soundgrab? > > Gena > > Janina > > > > John covici writes: > > > Will wedit do any kind of fast forward/rewind or, better yet, audio on > > > as you page up and down the file? > > > > > > -- > > > Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: > > > How do > > > you spend it? > > > > > > John Covici > > > covici@ccs.covici.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > -- > Gena > > http://www.ready2golinux.com > > M0EBP > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.202.595.7777; sip:janina@a11y.org Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com Chair, Open Accessibility janina@a11y.org Linux Foundation http://a11y.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 25+ messages in thread
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* Re: text console tools for audio processing [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0806161540510.3591@gube.gnpgvphfpbzzhavpngvbaf.arg> @ ` John covici ` John covici 1 sibling, 0 replies; 25+ messages in thread From: John covici @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. on Monday 06/16/2008 luke(speakup@lists.tacticus.com) wrote > On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, John covici wrote: > > > Will wedit do any kind of fast forward/rewind or, better yet, audio on > > as you page up and down the file? > > What do you mean by this "audio on as you page up and down the file" part? > > Luke -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici covici@ccs.covici.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 25+ messages in thread
* Re: text console tools for audio processing [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0806161540510.3591@gube.gnpgvphfpbzzhavpngvbaf.arg> ` John covici @ ` John covici ` Chuck Hallenbeck 1 sibling, 1 reply; 25+ messages in thread From: John covici @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I mean something like -- you are playing a file and you hit pgdn and the file moves forward and the audio is still going. Very nice to have such a thing. on Monday 06/16/2008 luke(speakup@lists.tacticus.com) wrote > On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, John covici wrote: > > > Will wedit do any kind of fast forward/rewind or, better yet, audio on > > as you page up and down the file? > > What do you mean by this "audio on as you page up and down the file" part? > > Luke -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici covici@ccs.covici.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 25+ messages in thread
* Re: text console tools for audio processing ` John covici @ ` Chuck Hallenbeck ` John covici 0 siblings, 1 reply; 25+ messages in thread From: Chuck Hallenbeck @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 John, On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 04:43:16PM -0400, John covici wrote: > I mean something like -- you are playing a file and you hit pgdn and > the file moves forward and the audio is still going. Very nice to > have such a thing. > Actually, on the wedit 2nd level we now have the navigation keys that zinf used. They are b and f to go back and forward six seconds, capital B and capital F to go back and forward by sixty seconds, and j and capital J to go forward or backward by 600 seconds. Not perfect, but a beginning at navigating. Chuck - -- The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (97% of Full) My web site: http://hallenbeck.ftml.net and my cell phone: 1-518-334-9022. -------- "With us nothing has time to gather meaning, and too many things are occurring for even a big heart to hold." - --W. B. Yeats -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkhW4UAACgkQ0maTgpPXM9fjyACghU29YuIgadk/3jH1wdqaw2f4 9w0AoKq2snP/+tbPmagBdKuIB32uPQZi =HIhX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 25+ messages in thread
* Re: text console tools for audio processing ` Chuck Hallenbeck @ ` John covici ` duo boot systems...revisited, i think? Karen Lewellen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 25+ messages in thread From: John covici @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Can you do that while still playing the file -- and if so, does what you hear correspond to where you are? on Monday 06/16/2008 Chuck Hallenbeck(chuckh@ftml.net) wrote > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > John, > > On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 04:43:16PM -0400, John covici wrote: > > I mean something like -- you are playing a file and you hit pgdn and > > the file moves forward and the audio is still going. Very nice to > > have such a thing. > > > > Actually, on the wedit 2nd level we now have the navigation keys that > zinf used. They are b and f to go back and forward six seconds, capital > B and capital F to go back and forward by sixty seconds, and j and > capital J to go forward or backward by 600 seconds. Not perfect, but a > beginning at navigating. > > Chuck > > > > - -- > The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (97% of Full) > > My web site: http://hallenbeck.ftml.net and my cell phone: 1-518-334-9022. > -------- > "With us nothing has time to gather meaning, and too many things > are occurring for even a big heart to hold." > - --W. B. Yeats > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkhW4UAACgkQ0maTgpPXM9fjyACghU29YuIgadk/3jH1wdqaw2f4 > 9w0AoKq2snP/+tbPmagBdKuIB32uPQZi > =HIhX > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici covici@ccs.covici.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 25+ messages in thread
* duo boot systems...revisited, i think? ` John covici @ ` Karen Lewellen ` John covici ` John G. Heim 0 siblings, 2 replies; 25+ messages in thread From: Karen Lewellen @ UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. sigh, Just when I think I have a reasonable mind and the door to the hard ware, I have to start all over again. I thought there was a discussion once about the need for a duo boot system, but I cannot find this. pros cons, really needful? My goal remains for a number of reasons, a system with two separate drives, I know I need not do this, but just call me paranoid grin. for the foreseeable future, dos will remain my primary os, with the Linux distro I use on the second drive. I am building a different machine that will be a stand alone Linux server box, with some extras given the results of additional research. Sorry is this is a newbie question, but after reading that the *official* stock of Debian does not support speakup,...I am behind on reading the rest of that thread, I am being more careful than ever. Thanks, Karen ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 25+ messages in thread
* duo boot systems...revisited, i think? ` duo boot systems...revisited, i think? Karen Lewellen @ ` John covici ` John G. Heim 1 sibling, 0 replies; 25+ messages in thread From: John covici @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. So what is your question -- you certainly can have dual boot systems, either on two different drives or different partitions on the same drive. on Thursday 07/17/2008 Karen Lewellen(klewellen@shellworld.net) wrote > sigh, > Just when I think I have a reasonable mind and the door to the hard ware, > I have to start all over again. > I thought there was a discussion once about the need for a duo boot > system, but I cannot find this. > pros cons, really needful? > My goal remains for a number of reasons, a system with two separate drives, > I know I need not do this, but just call me paranoid grin. > for the foreseeable future, dos will remain my primary os, with the Linux > distro I use on the second drive. > I am building a different machine that will be a stand alone Linux server > box, with some extras given the results of additional research. > Sorry is this is a newbie question, but after reading that the *official* > stock of Debian does not support speakup,...I am behind on reading the > rest of that thread, I am being more careful than ever. > Thanks, > Karen > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici covici@ccs.covici.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 25+ messages in thread
* Re: duo boot systems...revisited, i think? ` duo boot systems...revisited, i think? Karen Lewellen ` John covici @ ` John G. Heim ` Karen Lewellen 1 sibling, 1 reply; 25+ messages in thread From: John G. Heim @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I would recommend setting up a virtual machine instead of a dual boot system. The difference is that with a dual boot system, you boot into either linux or windows. With a virtual machine, either the linux or windows operating system runs as a virtual machine in the other operating system. But you don't have to reboot to get to the other operating system. I've found that the only time I use the "other" operating system on my dual boot machines is for testing purposes. For instance, I'm typing this message on a machine that's dual boot but I haven't booted it into linux for months. Really since I set it up. Most often what I do is boot my old dual boot machine into linux and use that. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Lewellen" <klewellen@shellworld.net> Cc: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 12:02 AM Subject: duo boot systems...revisited, i think? > sigh, > Just when I think I have a reasonable mind and the door to the hard ware, > I have to start all over again. > I thought there was a discussion once about the need for a duo boot > system, but I cannot find this. > pros cons, really needful? > My goal remains for a number of reasons, a system with two separate > drives, I know I need not do this, but just call me paranoid grin. > for the foreseeable future, dos will remain my primary os, with the Linux > distro I use on the second drive. > I am building a different machine that will be a stand alone Linux server > box, with some extras given the results of additional research. > Sorry is this is a newbie question, but after reading that the *official* > stock of Debian does not support speakup,...I am behind on reading the > rest of that thread, I am being more careful than ever. > Thanks, > Karen > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 25+ messages in thread
* Re: duo boot systems...revisited, i think? ` John G. Heim @ ` Karen Lewellen ` Kristoffer Gustafsson ` luke 0 siblings, 2 replies; 25+ messages in thread From: Karen Lewellen @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Thanks for the tip. Not running windows, but will hunt virtual options for DOs. now that I think of it though, a reboot is no major factor, any way to create a . bat file run in dos that will reboot the system into Linux as needed into Linux without requiring the duo processor? I have been dragging out this business long enough, but hardware and talent has been the issue. I do not want yet another hardware factor because I have to find a duo processor. Thanks, Karen On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, John G. Heim wrote: > I would recommend setting up a virtual machine instead of a dual boot system. > The difference is that with a dual boot system, you boot into either linux or > windows. With a virtual machine, either the linux or windows operating system > runs as a virtual machine in the other operating system. But you don't have > to reboot to get to the other operating system. I've found that the only time > I use the "other" operating system on my dual boot machines is for testing > purposes. For instance, I'm typing this message on a machine that's dual > boot but I haven't booted it into linux for months. Really since I set it up. > Most often what I do is boot my old dual boot machine into linux and use > that. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Lewellen" > <klewellen@shellworld.net> > Cc: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 12:02 AM > Subject: duo boot systems...revisited, i think? > > >> sigh, >> Just when I think I have a reasonable mind and the door to the hard ware, >> I have to start all over again. >> I thought there was a discussion once about the need for a duo boot >> system, but I cannot find this. >> pros cons, really needful? >> My goal remains for a number of reasons, a system with two separate >> drives, I know I need not do this, but just call me paranoid grin. >> for the foreseeable future, dos will remain my primary os, with the Linux >> distro I use on the second drive. >> I am building a different machine that will be a stand alone Linux server >> box, with some extras given the results of additional research. >> Sorry is this is a newbie question, but after reading that the *official* >> stock of Debian does not support speakup,...I am behind on reading the >> rest of that thread, I am being more careful than ever. >> Thanks, >> Karen >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 25+ messages in thread
* Re: duo boot systems...revisited, i think? ` Karen Lewellen @ ` Kristoffer Gustafsson ` luke 1 sibling, 0 replies; 25+ messages in thread From: Kristoffer Gustafsson @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hello! There is a dos program called loadlin that you can use if you want to reboot into linux from dos. I've used this a lot some years ago. just don't install grub when you install linux, and you'll be fine. Oh, and don't forget to copy the vmlinuz kernel file, and the initrd ramdisk somewhere on the dos partition you'll need this when using loadlin. /Kristoffer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Lewellen" <klewellen@shellworld.net> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 7:39 PM Subject: Re: duo boot systems...revisited, i think? > Thanks for the tip. > Not running windows, but will hunt virtual options for DOs. > now that I think of it though, a reboot is no major factor, any way to > create a . bat file run in dos that will reboot the system into Linux as > needed into Linux without requiring the duo processor? > I have been dragging out this business long enough, but hardware and > talent has been the issue. I do not want yet another hardware factor > because I have to find a duo processor. > Thanks, > Karen > > > On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, John G. Heim wrote: > >> I would recommend setting up a virtual machine instead of a dual boot >> system. The difference is that with a dual boot system, you boot into >> either linux or windows. With a virtual machine, either the linux or >> windows operating system runs as a virtual machine in the other operating >> system. But you don't have to reboot to get to the other operating >> system. I've found that the only time I use the "other" operating system >> on my dual boot machines is for testing purposes. For instance, I'm >> typing this message on a machine that's dual boot but I haven't booted it >> into linux for months. Really since I set it up. Most often what I do is >> boot my old dual boot machine into linux and use that. >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Lewellen" >> <klewellen@shellworld.net> >> Cc: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." >> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> >> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 12:02 AM >> Subject: duo boot systems...revisited, i think? >> >> >>> sigh, >>> Just when I think I have a reasonable mind and the door to the hard >>> ware, >>> I have to start all over again. >>> I thought there was a discussion once about the need for a duo boot >>> system, but I cannot find this. >>> pros cons, really needful? >>> My goal remains for a number of reasons, a system with two separate >>> drives, I know I need not do this, but just call me paranoid grin. >>> for the foreseeable future, dos will remain my primary os, with the >>> Linux >>> distro I use on the second drive. >>> I am building a different machine that will be a stand alone Linux >>> server >>> box, with some extras given the results of additional research. >>> Sorry is this is a newbie question, but after reading that the >>> *official* >>> stock of Debian does not support speakup,...I am behind on reading the >>> rest of that thread, I am being more careful than ever. >>> Thanks, >>> Karen >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Speakup mailing list >>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 25+ messages in thread
* Re: duo boot systems...revisited, i think? ` Karen Lewellen ` Kristoffer Gustafsson @ ` luke ` Karen Lewellen 1 sibling, 1 reply; 25+ messages in thread From: luke @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Not running windows, but will hunt virtual options for DOs. There are no virtual options for DOS, at least not for running virtuals under DOS. A virtual machine is one operating system which runs in an emulated hardware environment under another operating system. Linux and Windows can run virtual DOS machines, but DOS can not run virtual anythings. Now, for DOS under Linux, DOSEmu is probably a better solution than virtualization. > now that I think of it though, a reboot is no major factor, any way to create > a . bat file run in dos that will reboot the system into Linux as needed into > Linux without requiring the duo processor? What do you mean by "duo processor"? If you are talking about multiple core processors, those have nothing to do with duel boot (duel not duo). Duel boot, is when you can boot into one of many operating systems which are installed on your machine, usually in separate hard drive partitions, or on separate hard drives. That has no connection what ever, either to multiple processors, multiple cored processors, or duo anythings. > I have been dragging out this business long enough, but hardware and talent > has been the issue. I do not want yet another hardware factor because I have > to find a duo processor. Again, what is this "duo" processor, and why do you need it? Luke ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 25+ messages in thread
* Re: duo boot systems...revisited, i think? ` luke @ ` Karen Lewellen ` Kerry Hoath ` luke 0 siblings, 2 replies; 25+ messages in thread From: Karen Lewellen @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I am sorry that my spelling is such an issue for you. As expressed I wrote that post in the middle of the night. Not shared however is that I learned that my 20 year old nephew died of a heart attack in America, and i was more than a bit distracted. Others seemed to understand my meaning, Indeed my goal is to run DOS and Linux on different hard drives, and boot into Linux as needed. Is that clear enough for you? On Sat, 19 Jul 2008, luke wrote: > On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, Karen Lewellen wrote: > >> Not running windows, but will hunt virtual options for DOs. > > There are no virtual options for DOS, at least not for running virtuals > under DOS. A virtual machine is one operating system which runs in an > emulated hardware environment under another operating system. Linux and > Windows can run virtual DOS machines, but DOS can not run virtual > anythings. > > Now, for DOS under Linux, DOSEmu is probably a better solution than > virtualization. > >> now that I think of it though, a reboot is no major factor, any way to create >> a . bat file run in dos that will reboot the system into Linux as needed into >> Linux without requiring the duo processor? > > What do you mean by "duo processor"? If you are talking about multiple > core processors, those have nothing to do with duel boot (duel not duo). > > Duel boot, is when you can boot into one of many operating systems which > are installed on your machine, usually in separate hard drive partitions, > or on separate hard drives. That has no connection what ever, either to > multiple processors, multiple cored processors, or duo anythings. > >> I have been dragging out this business long enough, but hardware and talent >> has been the issue. I do not want yet another hardware factor because I have >> to find a duo processor. > > Again, what is this "duo" processor, and why do you need it? > > Luke > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 25+ messages in thread
* Re: duo boot systems...revisited, i think? ` Karen Lewellen @ ` Kerry Hoath ` Karen Lewellen ` luke 1 sibling, 1 reply; 25+ messages in thread From: Kerry Hoath @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Personally I don't care how badly you spell your messages, however there seems to be some confusion on the list exactly what you want and what you mean. I'll try summarize your options, and see if that makes anything clearer to you. Feel free to write to me off list if it would help. A dual core processor or core duo or core 2 duo (depending on how new it is) is a processer that has 2 cores in it. It is capable of executing 2 tasks at once (in theory) and is a handy thing to have when you have a high workload on your computer or you are virtualizing see below. Obviously a dual boot system is a system that can boot into Linux or Dos. Usually the decision is made at boot time as to which operating system to boot; usually with a boot loder of some kind. Linux boot loaders include grub, lilo and others. You can also put a loader in the master boot record which will allow you to hold the alt or shift key at boot and pick which partition to boot. There are also loaders that you can load from dos that can start linux, however I am not sure how they handle modern kernels and initial ramdisks. syslinux and loadlin are two that spring to mind. An initial ramdisk is a set of files and scripts that are loaded into extended memory and control is passed to them by the kernel. This initial ramdisk is responsible for loading drivers for the root file system, key hardware drivers and starting up raid or volume management systems. The boot loader needs to load this file (usually 4-12 megabytes large) into extended memory above the kernel and pass control to the Linux kernel. This blows dos away and gets you running Linux. Most people use a Linux boot loader to load this up as they tend to work better at doing this. These loaders can also boot dos; however it is best to keep dos on the first drive, (bios drive 0x80) and Linux either on a partition of that drive or on the second disk. If running 2 operating systems on the one box you have a couple of options as you have surmized. 2 disks with an operating system per disk, or 1 disk with multiple partitions. I am over-simplifying here in order to make this understandable however when you partition a disk a table in the first sector of the disk tells you how much disk is allocated to each operating system. Think of it as slicing up a cake into different sized pieces, you allocate diferent sized pieces depending on how hungry people are. You put dos on the first partition of a disk (usually) and Linux on one or more partitions after this. Install dos (or Windows 95 dos not sure which one you mean) first, on a partition that does not take up all the disk, then put Linux on another partition or two. I usually have /boot on a primary partition which contains the boot loader, and the rest of Linux in an extended partition, (or in dos terms a set of logical drives in the extended partition) It's up to you how to do things; however this might help clarify or confuse things a bit more. virtualization is a method of running one operating system inside another on a computer. You can run Linux inside a virtual machine inside Linux, or Windows or other operating systems. You can't run anything virtually inside dos because dos does not run in protected mode and virtualization is not possible in this environment. You can run virtual Linux in windows, or virtual windows in Linux. This allows you to run both operating systems at once; saving you a reboot to switch between them. Linux has a program called dosemu, which when correctly configured allows dos to run inside Linux. Quite a lot of stuf runs under it including some games and certain screen readers so it is worth a look. There's nothing I can do under dos that I can't do under Linux, and unless you have certain applications like word perfect or similar you might find yourself using Linux more than you use dos. I ended up deleting my install of dos about 6 months after installing Linux in 1993. Regards, Kerry. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Lewellen" <klewellen@shellworld.net> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 7:41 AM Subject: Re: duo boot systems...revisited, i think? I am sorry that my spelling is such an issue for you. As expressed I wrote that post in the middle of the night. Not shared however is that I learned that my 20 year old nephew died of a heart attack in America, and i was more than a bit distracted. Others seemed to understand my meaning, Indeed my goal is to run DOS and Linux on different hard drives, and boot into Linux as needed. Is that clear enough for you? On Sat, 19 Jul 2008, luke wrote: > On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, Karen Lewellen wrote: > >> Not running windows, but will hunt virtual options for DOs. > > There are no virtual options for DOS, at least not for running virtuals > under DOS. A virtual machine is one operating system which runs in an > emulated hardware environment under another operating system. Linux and > Windows can run virtual DOS machines, but DOS can not run virtual > anythings. > > Now, for DOS under Linux, DOSEmu is probably a better solution than > virtualization. > >> now that I think of it though, a reboot is no major factor, any way to >> create >> a . bat file run in dos that will reboot the system into Linux as needed >> into >> Linux without requiring the duo processor? > > What do you mean by "duo processor"? If you are talking about multiple > core processors, those have nothing to do with duel boot (duel not duo). > > Duel boot, is when you can boot into one of many operating systems which > are installed on your machine, usually in separate hard drive partitions, > or on separate hard drives. That has no connection what ever, either to > multiple processors, multiple cored processors, or duo anythings. > >> I have been dragging out this business long enough, but hardware and >> talent >> has been the issue. I do not want yet another hardware factor because I >> have >> to find a duo processor. > > Again, what is this "duo" processor, and why do you need it? > > Luke > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 25+ messages in thread
* Re: duo boot systems...revisited, i think? ` Kerry Hoath @ ` Karen Lewellen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 25+ messages in thread From: Karen Lewellen @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi there, This is crystal clear, and very helpful. i will write off list to ask the couple of additional questions I have. Indeed I use wordperfect among other DOS programs and have several years of work invested in them and in my three dos screen readers, not to mention tthousands in hardware, so it will be a separate drive until I have a reason to do otherwise. Will ask my remaining questions off list, and thanks for the clear answer, Karen On Sun, 20 Jul 2008, Kerry Hoath wrote: > Personally I don't care how badly you spell your messages, however there > seems to be some confusion on the list exactly what you want and what you > mean. I'll try summarize your options, and see if that makes anything > clearer to you. > > Feel free to write to me off list if it would help. > > A dual core processor or core duo or core 2 duo (depending on how new it is) > is a processer that has 2 cores in it. It is capable of executing 2 tasks at > once (in theory) and is a handy thing to have when you have a high workload > on your computer or you are virtualizing see below. > > Obviously a dual boot system is a system that can boot into Linux or Dos. > Usually the decision is made at boot time as to which operating system to > boot; usually with a boot loder of some kind. > > Linux boot loaders include grub, lilo and others. You can also put a loader > in the master boot record which will allow you to hold the alt or shift key > at boot and pick which partition to boot. > > There are also loaders that you can load from dos that can start linux, > however I am not sure how they handle modern kernels and initial ramdisks. > syslinux and loadlin are two that spring to mind. > An initial ramdisk is a set of files and scripts that are loaded into > extended memory and control is passed to them by the kernel. > This initial ramdisk is responsible for loading drivers for the root file > system, key hardware drivers and starting up raid or volume management > systems. > The boot loader needs to load this file (usually 4-12 megabytes large) into > extended memory above the kernel and pass control to the Linux kernel. > This blows dos away and gets you running Linux. > > Most people use a Linux boot loader to load this up as they tend to work > better at doing this. These loaders can also boot dos; however it is best to > keep dos on the first drive, (bios drive 0x80) and Linux either on a > partition of that drive or on the second disk. > > If running 2 operating systems on the one box you have a couple of options > as you have surmized. > 2 disks with an operating system per disk, or 1 disk with multiple > partitions. > > I am over-simplifying here in order to make this understandable however when > you partition a disk a table in the first sector of the disk tells you how > much disk is allocated to each operating system. > > Think of it as slicing up a cake into different sized pieces, you allocate > diferent sized pieces depending on how hungry people are. > > You put dos on the first partition of a disk (usually) and Linux on one or > more partitions after this. > > Install dos (or Windows 95 dos not sure which one you mean) first, > on a partition that does not take up all the disk, then put Linux on another > partition or two. > > I usually have /boot on a primary partition which contains the boot loader, > and the rest of Linux in an extended partition, (or in dos terms a set of > logical drives in the extended partition) > > It's up to you how to do things; however this might help clarify or confuse > things a bit more. > > virtualization is a method of running one operating system inside another on > a computer. > You can run Linux inside a virtual machine inside Linux, or Windows or other > operating systems. > You can't run anything virtually inside dos because dos does not run in > protected mode and virtualization is not possible in this environment. > > You can run virtual Linux in windows, or virtual windows in Linux. > This allows you to run both operating systems at once; saving you a reboot > to switch between them. > Linux has a program called dosemu, which when correctly configured allows > dos to run inside Linux. Quite a lot of stuf runs under it including some > games and certain screen readers so it is worth a look. > > There's nothing I can do under dos that I can't do under Linux, and unless > you have certain applications like word perfect or similar you might find > yourself using Linux more than you use dos. > I ended up deleting my install of dos about 6 months after installing Linux > in 1993. > > Regards, Kerry. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karen Lewellen" <klewellen@shellworld.net> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 7:41 AM > Subject: Re: duo boot systems...revisited, i think? > > > I am sorry that my spelling is such an issue for you. > As expressed I wrote that post in the middle of the night. > Not shared however is that I learned that my 20 year old nephew died of a > heart attack in America, and i was more than a bit distracted. > Others seemed to understand my meaning, > Indeed my goal is to run DOS and Linux on different hard drives, and boot > into Linux as needed. > Is that clear enough for you? > > > On Sat, 19 Jul 2008, luke wrote: > >> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, Karen Lewellen wrote: >> >>> Not running windows, but will hunt virtual options for DOs. >> >> There are no virtual options for DOS, at least not for running virtuals >> under DOS. A virtual machine is one operating system which runs in an >> emulated hardware environment under another operating system. Linux and >> Windows can run virtual DOS machines, but DOS can not run virtual >> anythings. >> >> Now, for DOS under Linux, DOSEmu is probably a better solution than >> virtualization. >> >>> now that I think of it though, a reboot is no major factor, any way to >>> create >>> a . bat file run in dos that will reboot the system into Linux as needed >>> into >>> Linux without requiring the duo processor? >> >> What do you mean by "duo processor"? If you are talking about multiple >> core processors, those have nothing to do with duel boot (duel not duo). >> >> Duel boot, is when you can boot into one of many operating systems which >> are installed on your machine, usually in separate hard drive partitions, >> or on separate hard drives. That has no connection what ever, either to >> multiple processors, multiple cored processors, or duo anythings. >> >>> I have been dragging out this business long enough, but hardware and >>> talent >>> has been the issue. I do not want yet another hardware factor because I >>> have >>> to find a duo processor. >> >> Again, what is this "duo" processor, and why do you need it? >> >> Luke >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 25+ messages in thread
* Re: duo boot systems...revisited, i think? ` Karen Lewellen ` Kerry Hoath @ ` luke ` Karen Lewellen 1 sibling, 1 reply; 25+ messages in thread From: luke @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I am sorry to hear that about your nephew. That said, for what it's worth, I couldn't give a fig about your spelling, Karen. rather than criticizing your spelling, I was attempting to clarify your meaning. You were talking about a "duo processor". That to me suggests a "Core duo processor", which is an Intel processor which, as far as I know, has no connection to this conversation. It is a "dual core" processor, but if you thought that you need a dual core processor to setup a dual boot system, then you are mistaken. I thought that perhaps you were confused in some way, and thought you needed a "duo processor" to do "dual booting", which is certainly not true. As such, I thought I would ask you about your meaning, in hopes of saving you some money if in fact you had a misimpression that a hardware change was needed in order to dual boot. I was not talking about your spelling at all. If I some how misread your message, and you did not mention a "duo processor" as I thought for sure I read in your message, then I apologize for bothering you with my less than helpful help. I will let the others who, as you say, had no trouble understanding you, help you in the future. Regards, Luke On Sat, 19 Jul 2008, Karen Lewellen wrote: > I am sorry that my spelling is such an issue for you. > As expressed I wrote that post in the middle of the night. > Not shared however is that I learned that my 20 year old nephew died of a > heart attack in America, and i was more than a bit distracted. > Others seemed to understand my meaning, > Indeed my goal is to run DOS and Linux on different hard drives, and boot into > Linux as needed. > Is that clear enough for you? > > > On Sat, 19 Jul 2008, luke wrote: > > > On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > > > > Not running windows, but will hunt virtual options for DOs. > > > > There are no virtual options for DOS, at least not for running virtuals > > under DOS. A virtual machine is one operating system which runs in an > > emulated hardware environment under another operating system. Linux and > > Windows can run virtual DOS machines, but DOS can not run virtual > > anythings. > > > > Now, for DOS under Linux, DOSEmu is probably a better solution than > > virtualization. > > > > > now that I think of it though, a reboot is no major factor, any way to > > > create > > > a . bat file run in dos that will reboot the system into Linux as needed > > > into > > > Linux without requiring the duo processor? > > > > What do you mean by "duo processor"? If you are talking about multiple > > core processors, those have nothing to do with duel boot (duel not duo). > > > > Duel boot, is when you can boot into one of many operating systems which > > are installed on your machine, usually in separate hard drive partitions, > > or on separate hard drives. That has no connection what ever, either to > > multiple processors, multiple cored processors, or duo anythings. > > > > > I have been dragging out this business long enough, but hardware and > > > talent > > > has been the issue. I do not want yet another hardware factor because I > > > have > > > to find a duo processor. > > > > Again, what is this "duo" processor, and why do you need it? > > > > Luke > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 25+ messages in thread
* Re: duo boot systems...revisited, i think? ` luke @ ` Karen Lewellen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 25+ messages in thread From: Karen Lewellen @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. confused, no, stressed yes. i noted in my first reply that I wrote at an early hour. It might have been respectful to ask if I were confusing the terms, not write as if I were. You simply wrote in what seemed to me to be inconsiderate fashion. Kerry has been more helpful and i have the answers I need thanks. On Sat, 19 Jul 2008, luke wrote: > I am sorry to hear that about your nephew. > > That said, for what it's worth, I couldn't give a fig about your spelling, > Karen. > rather than criticizing your spelling, I was attempting to > clarify your meaning. You were talking about a "duo processor". That to > me suggests a "Core duo processor", which is an Intel processor which, as > far as I know, has no connection to this conversation. It is a "dual > core" processor, but if you thought that you need a dual core processor to > setup a dual boot system, then you are mistaken. > > I thought that perhaps you were confused in some way, and thought you > needed a "duo processor" to do "dual booting", which is certainly not > true. As such, I thought I would ask you about your meaning, in hopes of > saving you some money if in fact you had a misimpression that a hardware > change was needed in order to dual boot. I was not talking about your > spelling at all. > > If I some how misread your message, and you did not mention a "duo > processor" as I thought for sure I read in your message, then I apologize > for bothering you with my less than helpful help. I will let the others > who, as you say, had no trouble understanding you, help you in the future. > > Regards, > > Luke > > > On Sat, 19 Jul 2008, Karen Lewellen wrote: > >> I am sorry that my spelling is such an issue for you. >> As expressed I wrote that post in the middle of the night. >> Not shared however is that I learned that my 20 year old nephew died of a >> heart attack in America, and i was more than a bit distracted. >> Others seemed to understand my meaning, >> Indeed my goal is to run DOS and Linux on different hard drives, and boot into >> Linux as needed. >> Is that clear enough for you? >> >> >> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008, luke wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, Karen Lewellen wrote: >>> >>>> Not running windows, but will hunt virtual options for DOs. >>> >>> There are no virtual options for DOS, at least not for running virtuals >>> under DOS. A virtual machine is one operating system which runs in an >>> emulated hardware environment under another operating system. Linux and >>> Windows can run virtual DOS machines, but DOS can not run virtual >>> anythings. >>> >>> Now, for DOS under Linux, DOSEmu is probably a better solution than >>> virtualization. >>> >>>> now that I think of it though, a reboot is no major factor, any way to >>>> create >>>> a . bat file run in dos that will reboot the system into Linux as needed >>>> into >>>> Linux without requiring the duo processor? >>> >>> What do you mean by "duo processor"? If you are talking about multiple >>> core processors, those have nothing to do with duel boot (duel not duo). >>> >>> Duel boot, is when you can boot into one of many operating systems which >>> are installed on your machine, usually in separate hard drive partitions, >>> or on separate hard drives. That has no connection what ever, either to >>> multiple processors, multiple cored processors, or duo anythings. >>> >>>> I have been dragging out this business long enough, but hardware and >>>> talent >>>> has been the issue. I do not want yet another hardware factor because I >>>> have >>>> to find a duo processor. >>> >>> Again, what is this "duo" processor, and why do you need it? >>> >>> Luke >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Speakup mailing list >>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 25+ messages in thread
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