Re: rebuilding kernel

Re: rebuilding kernel

[Darrell Shandrow]

Hi Dave,

There should be no difference in the kernel among Linux 
distributions.  Just go to http://www.kernel.org for the Linux kernel, then 
build and install it from there.  Of course, if you want Speakup, you'll 
need to be sure to patch the Kernel as needed.

Regards.

At 08:22 PM 12/15/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>Where can I find the sources from which the "installation" Redhat 7.2
>kernel was built?  In order to install drivers form my sound card (an
>Aureal 8820), I need to build a kernel with sound "built in", not as a
>module.
>
>-Dave
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: rebuilding kernel

[Dave Hunt]

Thanks,

I'm there, now, and about to get 2.4.9 (the same version as in RH 7.2.  
I've attempted to build kernels in the past.  What I ws looking for is 
what choices were in the "make config" for the "out-of-the-box" RH7.2 
kernel.  I know that I'd have to patch Speakup and the key map in, 
assuming I want it.  What, for instance, is Redhat's initialization type?  
I'm prompted to decide between System V and BSD.  How do I figure out what 
Redhat chose to install as modules?

Thanks,


-Dave


 > Hi Dave, > > There should be no 
difference in the kernel among Linux 
> distributions.  Just go to http://www.kernel.org for the Linux kernel, then 
> build and install it from there.  Of course, if you want Speakup, you'll 
> need to be sure to patch the Kernel as needed.
> 
> Regards.
> 
> At 08:22 PM 12/15/2001 -0500, you wrote:
> >Where can I find the sources from which the "installation" Redhat 7.2
> >kernel was built?  In order to install drivers form my sound card (an
> >Aureal 8820), I need to build a kernel with sound "built in", not as a
> >module.
> >
> >-Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: rebuilding kernel

[Gregory Nowak]

>From what I heard,
there are supposedly some distros that modify the normal kernel tree.
Greg


On Sat, Dec 15, 2001 at 06:28:45PM -0700, Darrell Shandrow wrote:
> Hi Dave,
> 
> There should be no difference in the kernel among Linux 
> distributions.  Just go to http://www.kernel.org for the Linux kernel, then 
> build and install it from there.  Of course, if you want Speakup, you'll 
> need to be sure to patch the Kernel as needed.
> 
> Regards.
> 
> At 08:22 PM 12/15/2001 -0500, you wrote:
> >Where can I find the sources from which the "installation" Redhat 7.2
> >kernel was built?  In order to install drivers form my sound card (an
> >Aureal 8820), I need to build a kernel with sound "built in", not as a
> >module.
> >
> >-Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: rebuilding kernel

[Janina Sajka]

On Sat, 15 Dec 2001, Dave Hunt wrote:

> I've attempted to build kernels in the past.  What I ws looking for is 
> what choices were in the "make config" for the "out-of-the-box" RH7.2 

The default Redhat configs are in /usr/src/linux/configs always.

Re: rebuilding kernel

[Janina Sajka]

Actually there is a little difference inasmuch as Redhat has gone ahead 
and included ext3 as an option with Redhat 7.2. So, if you've gone ext3, 
and you compile a stock kernel from ftp.kernel.org, you will not be able 
to mount your drives with that kernel.
 On Sat, 15 Dec 2001, Darrell 
Shandrow wrote:

> Hi Dave,
> 
> There should be no difference in the kernel among Linux 
> distributions.  Just go to http://www.kernel.org for the Linux kernel, then 
> build and install it from there.  Of course, if you want Speakup, you'll 
> need to be sure to patch the Kernel as needed.
> 
> Regards.
> 
> At 08:22 PM 12/15/2001 -0500, you wrote:
> >Where can I find the sources from which the "installation" Redhat 7.2
> >kernel was built?  In order to install drivers form my sound card (an
> >Aureal 8820), I need to build a kernel with sound "built in", not as a
> >module.
> >
> >-Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

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				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

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Re: rebuilding kernel

[Gregory Nowak]

Actually, yes, you will be able to mount the ext3
drives since either 2.4.15 or 2.4.16.
Greg


On Sun, Dec 16, 2001 at 10:30:04AM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> Actually there is a little difference inasmuch as Redhat has gone ahead 
> and included ext3 as an option with Redhat 7.2. So, if you've gone ext3, 
> and you compile a stock kernel from ftp.kernel.org, you will not be able 
> to mount your drives with that kernel.
>  On Sat, 15 Dec 2001, Darrell 
> Shandrow wrote:
> 
> > Hi Dave,
> > 
> > There should be no difference in the kernel among Linux 
> > distributions.  Just go to http://www.kernel.org for the Linux kernel, then 
> > build and install it from there.  Of course, if you want Speakup, you'll 
> > need to be sure to patch the Kernel as needed.
> > 
> > Regards.
> > 
> > At 08:22 PM 12/15/2001 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Where can I find the sources from which the "installation" Redhat 7.2
> > >kernel was built?  In order to install drivers form my sound card (an
> > >Aureal 8820), I need to build a kernel with sound "built in", not as a
> > >module.
> > >
> > >-Dave
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >Speakup mailing list
> > >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> 
> -- 
> 	
> 				Janina Sajka, Director
> 				Technology Research and Development
> 				Governmental Relations Group
> 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> 
> Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
> 
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
> 
> Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> 
> Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
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> 
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> http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> 
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Re: rebuilding kernel

[Dave Hunt]

Hi,

I do have ext3 support.  When I upgraded this installation from RH7.0 to 
7.2, I let the installer port my ext2 over.  When I build this new 
kernel, I'll be sure to include ex23.

Another query:

does "make modules_install" update "/etc/modules.conf"?  If not, I put 
the aliases in as I configure?  


Thanks for any help,


-Dave


On Sun, 16 Dec 2001, Janina Sajka 
wrote:

> Actually there is a little difference inasmuch as Redhat has gone ahead 
> and included ext3 as an option with Redhat 7.2. So, if you've gone ext3, 
> and you compile a stock kernel from ftp.kernel.org, you will not be able 
> to mount your drives with that kernel.

Re: rebuilding kernel

[Darrell Shandrow]

Hi Janina,

First, thanks for the excellent advice to go ahead and download the 
modified ISO images for RedHat 7.2.  I re-made the boot disk, downloaded 
and burned the modified image files, then installed everything!  Worked 
like a charm; I just wish Speakup could track those menu bars a little 
better...  :-)

Thanks also for the warning about the Kernel.  I guess when it comes to 
RedHat, one had better get the kernel from them, just to be sure you don't 
have trouble...

Thanks.

At 10:30 AM 12/16/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>Actually there is a little difference inasmuch as Redhat has gone ahead
>and included ext3 as an option with Redhat 7.2. So, if you've gone ext3,
>and you compile a stock kernel from ftp.kernel.org, you will not be able
>to mount your drives with that kernel.
>  On Sat, 15 Dec 2001, Darrell
>Shandrow wrote:
>
> > Hi Dave,
> >
> > There should be no difference in the kernel among Linux
> > distributions.  Just go to http://www.kernel.org for the Linux kernel, 
> then
> > build and install it from there.  Of course, if you want Speakup, you'll
> > need to be sure to patch the Kernel as needed.
> >
> > Regards.
> >
> > At 08:22 PM 12/15/2001 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Where can I find the sources from which the "installation" Redhat 7.2
> > >kernel was built?  In order to install drivers form my sound card (an
> > >Aureal 8820), I need to build a kernel with sound "built in", not as a
> > >module.
> > >
> > >-Dave
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >Speakup mailing list
> > >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>--
>
>                                 Janina Sajka, Director
>                                 Technology Research and Development
>                                 Governmental Relations Group
>                                 American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
>Email: janina@afb.net           Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
>Chair, Accessibility SIG
>Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
>http://www.openebook.org
>
>Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
>Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
>
>Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
>King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
>http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
>
>Learn how to make accessible software at
>http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

migrating to ext3, was Re: rebuilding kernel

[Gregory Nowak]

If I have slackware 8.0, and I want
to someday jump on the ext3 band wagon,
then is there a tool of some sort that I can use to convert
my ext2 partitions to ext3?
I know I can always create ext3 on a partition, copy over data from the ext2 partition,
but that's a lot of work.
Greg


On Sun, Dec 16, 2001 at 02:31:40PM -0500, Dave Hunt wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I do have ext3 support.  When I upgraded this installation from RH7.0 to 
> 7.2, I let the installer port my ext2 over.  When I build this new 
> kernel, I'll be sure to include ex23.
> 
> Another query:
> 
> does "make modules_install" update "/etc/modules.conf"?  If not, I put 
> the aliases in as I configure?  
> 
> 
> Thanks for any help,
> 
> 
> -Dave
> 
> 
> On Sun, 16 Dec 2001, Janina Sajka 
> wrote:
> 
> > Actually there is a little difference inasmuch as Redhat has gone ahead 
> > and included ext3 as an option with Redhat 7.2. So, if you've gone ext3, 
> > and you compile a stock kernel from ftp.kernel.org, you will not be able 
> > to mount your drives with that kernel.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

migrating to ext3, was Re: rebuilding kernel

[Yvonne Smith]

Ok, as someone who hasn't yet converted to ext3, but will as soon as I
upgrade the kernel, there's a couple of things to realise. Firstly, as
far as I know, an ext3 drive can be mounted, even if you don't have
ext3 support in your kernel. You won't get journalling, but other than
that, it'll work just like an ext2 drive.

As for the conversion, I don't know what the programm's called, but
you can convert ext2 partitions to ext3 in place, without touching the
data. That's the main reason, as far as I can see, to use ext3 over
reiser or any of the others, particularly if you don't have anywhere
else to copy the data before converting the drive.

Re: migrating to ext3, was Re: rebuilding kernel

[Adam Myrow]

Assuming your EXT2 partition is on /dev/hda2, it's easy to convert.  Just
type (as root, of course) "tune2fs -j /dev/hda2."  You need to have a
reasonably recent version of tune2fs to do this, but Slackware 8 has one
that is recent enough.  I personally haven't noticed any great difference
with EXT3 over EXT2, but I seldom have a serious crash which is where EXT3
is supposed to really shine.

Re: rebuilding kernel

[Janina Sajka]

Hi, Darrel:

Glad you got the modified iso's from the speakup site. Sure saves work and 
time.

Seems, however, that my advice wasn't fully correct. Someone, don't 
remember who now, posted here about ext3 support being in the generic 
kernel now, as of 2.4.16, as I recall. Also, it's in the newer 2.2.X, 
though I don't track those any longer. 

One more piece of advice that I am very sure is correct! <grin>

There's a wonderful script called up2date that will update your 
installation to the very latest Redhat releases. You need to register your 
system first, and that's only mildly painful. You get to register as many 
systems as you like for free, but you can only have one at a time active 
for free. If you want more than one active at a time, you pay a nominal 
amount. Not bad, imho, for supporting Redhat. <grin>

In any case, registration happens at https://www.rhns.redhat.com

You can, if you wish, manage updates right from that web page, but I 
prefer to do it by hand on my schedule, particular for a portable system 
which is sometimes on a fast broadband connection, and sometimes on a 
modem from overseas. Once you're registered, you can just do this by hand 
by running the up2date command as root. I usually give it as follows:

up2date -u --nox --nosig

The --nox is important to keep the display in character mode. 

 On Sun, 16 Dec 2001, 
Darrell Shandrow wrote:

> Hi Janina,
> 
> First, thanks for the excellent advice to go ahead and download the 
> modified ISO images for RedHat 7.2.  I re-made the boot disk, downloaded 
> and burned the modified image files, then installed everything!  Worked 
> like a charm; I just wish Speakup could track those menu bars a little 
> better...  :-)
> 
> Thanks also for the warning about the Kernel.  I guess when it comes to 
> RedHat, one had better get the kernel from them, just to be sure you don't 
> have trouble...
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> At 10:30 AM 12/16/2001 -0500, you wrote:
> >Actually there is a little difference inasmuch as Redhat has gone ahead
> >and included ext3 as an option with Redhat 7.2. So, if you've gone ext3,
> >and you compile a stock kernel from ftp.kernel.org, you will not be able
> >to mount your drives with that kernel.
> >  On Sat, 15 Dec 2001, Darrell
> >Shandrow wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Dave,
> > >
> > > There should be no difference in the kernel among Linux
> > > distributions.  Just go to http://www.kernel.org for the Linux kernel, 
> > then
> > > build and install it from there.  Of course, if you want Speakup, you'll
> > > need to be sure to patch the Kernel as needed.
> > >
> > > Regards.
> > >
> > > At 08:22 PM 12/15/2001 -0500, you wrote:
> > > >Where can I find the sources from which the "installation" Redhat 7.2
> > > >kernel was built?  In order to install drivers form my sound card (an
> > > >Aureal 8820), I need to build a kernel with sound "built in", not as a
> > > >module.
> > > >
> > > >-Dave
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >_______________________________________________
> > > >Speakup mailing list
> > > >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >--
> >
> >                                 Janina Sajka, Director
> >                                 Technology Research and Development
> >                                 Governmental Relations Group
> >                                 American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> >Email: janina@afb.net           Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> >Chair, Accessibility SIG
> >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> >http://www.openebook.org
> >
> >Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> >Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> >
> >Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> >King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> >http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> >
> >Learn how to make accessible software at
> >http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

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				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp

Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp

Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp

Re: migrating to ext3, was Re: rebuilding kernel

[Thomas Ward]

Hi, I've been using ext3 and it is certainly worth the update. For one
reason I've tried crashing the drive by shutting down from the power switch,
an act that would normally damage the fs, and ext3 didn't have any problems.
I've also noticed a slight increase in access time, and stability. Ext3 was
worth the upgrade for me.

Re: migrating to ext3, was Re: rebuilding kernel

[Gregory Nowak]

Thanks, very cute.
Does anyone out there know the name of this conversion tool, and where it
could be downloaded from?

Also, I have seen several references to journaling in various docs.
Please forgive my ignorence, but what is journaling in the
filesystem sense of course?
Greg


On Mon, Dec 17, 2001 at 08:24:53AM +1100, Yvonne Smith wrote:
> Ok, as someone who hasn't yet converted to ext3, but will as soon as I
> upgrade the kernel, there's a couple of things to realise. Firstly, as
> far as I know, an ext3 drive can be mounted, even if you don't have
> ext3 support in your kernel. You won't get journalling, but other than
> that, it'll work just like an ext2 drive.
> 
> As for the conversion, I don't know what the programm's called, but
> you can convert ext2 partitions to ext3 in place, without touching the
> data. That's the main reason, as far as I can see, to use ext3 over
> reiser or any of the others, particularly if you don't have anywhere
> else to copy the data before converting the drive.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: rebuilding kernel

[Geoff Shang]

On Sun, 16 Dec 2001, Dave Hunt wrote:

> Another query:
>
> does "make modules_install" update "/etc/modules.conf"?  If not, I put
> the aliases in as I configure?

No, it doesn't.  Since the modules specified in that file aren't (or
shouldn't be) version specific, you should only have to edit this file (or
the files under /etc/modutils, depending on your distribution), only when
you're adding them for the first time.  And depending on what they are, you
might not have to do it at all.

Geoff.

Re: rebuilding kernel

[Dave Hunt]

Thanks for answering; now, I'm hopelessly confused.

-Dave
On Mon, 17 Dec 2001, 
Geoff Shang wrote:

> On Sun, 16 Dec 2001, Dave Hunt wrote:
> 
> > Another query:
> >
> > does "make modules_install" update "/etc/modules.conf"?  If not, I put
> > the aliases in as I configure?
> 
> No, it doesn't.  Since the modules specified in that file aren't (or
> shouldn't be) version specific, you should only have to edit this file (or
> the files under /etc/modutils, depending on your distribution), only when
> you're adding them for the first time.  And depending on what they are, you
> might not have to do it at all.

Re: rebuilding kernel

[Thomas Ward]

Dave what is to be confused? Typically, when updating the kernel and kernel
modules I don't have to edit the /etc/modules.conf.
The reason is that the modprobe line probes for the module that matches the
kernel.
Merely build the new modules and install them, and they should work on
restart.


----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Hunt <wx1g@mediaone.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: rebuilding kernel


> Thanks for answering; now, I'm hopelessly confused.
>
> -Dave
> On Mon, 17 Dec 2001,
> Geoff Shang wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 16 Dec 2001, Dave Hunt wrote:
> >
> > > Another query:
> > >
> > > does "make modules_install" update "/etc/modules.conf"?  If not, I put
> > > the aliases in as I configure?
> >
> > No, it doesn't.  Since the modules specified in that file aren't (or
> > shouldn't be) version specific, you should only have to edit this file
(or
> > the files under /etc/modutils, depending on your distribution), only
when
> > you're adding them for the first time.  And depending on what they are,
you
> > might not have to do it at all.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: rebuilding kernel

[Thomas Ward]

Hi, usually the kernel source package is on cd 2 of the Red Hat
distribution.

It will be something like kernel-source-version.i386.rpm

However, if you are going to build your own kernel you might as well hit Red
Hat's web site and get the new kernel source and header packages for your
Linux version.


----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Hunt <wx1g@mediaone.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 8:22 PM
Subject: rebuilding kernel


> Where can I find the sources from which the "installation" Redhat 7.2
> kernel was built?  In order to install drivers form my sound card (an
> Aureal 8820), I need to build a kernel with sound "built in", not as a
> module.
>
> -Dave
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

rebuilding kernel

[Dave Hunt]

Where can I find the sources from which the "installation" Redhat 7.2 
kernel was built?  In order to install drivers form my sound card (an 
Aureal 8820), I need to build a kernel with sound "built in", not as a 
module.  

-Dave