FC3 for x86_64?

FC3 for x86_64?

[Liz Hare]

Hello,

i'm trying to find information about installing Speakup Modified FC3 on a 
system with a pentium EMT64.... is there a separate distribution for 
this?  Will I have to modify the regular FC3 distribution with speakup myself?

Liz, intimidated about playing with the kernel

Re: FC3 for x86_64?

[Janina Sajka]

Hi, Liz:

Several of us are running Speakup Modified on x86_64 platforms,
including yours truly. However, there are not any up to date iso images
for speech enabled installation of x86_64. In fact, there are still no
x86_64 kernels with Speakup for FC4 because attempts at compiling have
to date been unsuccessful. It has proven possible to use a Speakup
Modified kernel for FC3 on an FC4 installation, and this appears to be
quite stable but may not be what you want.

In short, the best way right now to install FC for x86_64 with speech is
to do an installation over telnet. This does provide speech during the
installation process, but it requires a second machine to control the
installation (obviously). This would be true whether you decide to
install FC3 or FC4 for x86_64. I would, speaking for myself, use FC4 and
either bring in a Sp[eakup Modified kernel from FC3 following a
successful install, or just drive the system over ssh.

				Janina

Liz Hare writes:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> i'm trying to find information about installing Speakup Modified FC3 on a 
> system with a pentium EMT64.... is there a separate distribution for 
> this?  Will I have to modify the regular FC3 distribution with speakup 
> myself?
> 
> Liz, intimidated about playing with the kernel
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC	http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com
Bringing the Owasys 22C screenless cell phone to the U.S. and Canada. Go to http://www.ScreenlessPhone.Com to learn more.

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janina@freestandards.org		http://a11y.org

Re: FC3 for x86_64?

[Chris Norman]

How do you do a telnet install?

I mean, would I stick the disks in, start the install and then telnet?

Cheers,

Chris Norman.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: FC3 for x86_64?


> Hi, Liz:
>
> Several of us are running Speakup Modified on x86_64 platforms,
> including yours truly. However, there are not any up to date iso images
> for speech enabled installation of x86_64. In fact, there are still no
> x86_64 kernels with Speakup for FC4 because attempts at compiling have
> to date been unsuccessful. It has proven possible to use a Speakup
> Modified kernel for FC3 on an FC4 installation, and this appears to be
> quite stable but may not be what you want.
>
> In short, the best way right now to install FC for x86_64 with speech is
> to do an installation over telnet. This does provide speech during the
> installation process, but it requires a second machine to control the
> installation (obviously). This would be true whether you decide to
> install FC3 or FC4 for x86_64. I would, speaking for myself, use FC4 and
> either bring in a Sp[eakup Modified kernel from FC3 following a
> successful install, or just drive the system over ssh.
>
> Janina
>
> Liz Hare writes:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> i'm trying to find information about installing Speakup Modified FC3 on a
>> system with a pentium EMT64.... is there a separate distribution for
>> this?  Will I have to modify the regular FC3 distribution with speakup
>> myself?
>>
>> Liz, intimidated about playing with the kernel
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> -- 
>
> Janina Sajka Phone: +1.202.494.7040
> Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com
> Bringing the Owasys 22C screenless cell phone to the U.S. and Canada. Go 
> to http://www.ScreenlessPhone.Com to learn more.
>
> Chair, Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG)
> janina@freestandards.org http://a11y.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
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Re: FC3 for x86_64?

[Janina Sajka]

Yes, Chris. That's precisely how you do it.

Here's an example which supplies the static address 192.168.1.11 to the
machine where FC is to be installed using that machines second ethernet
device:

At the boot> prompt you would type something like:

text telnet ip=192.168.1.11 netmask=255.255.255.0 gateway=192.168.1.254
ksdevice=/dev/eth1

Obviously, this goes on one line and needs to be adjusted for local
circumstances.

PS: You can also add this syntax in advance when booting from a USB
stick. Just insert it all in the kernel arguments in the proper stanza
of syslinux.cfg, and change the top line to say "default text"

Chris Norman writes:
> How do you do a telnet install?
> 
> I mean, would I stick the disks in, start the install and then telnet?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Chris Norman.
> 
> <!-- chris.norman4@ntlworld.com -->
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 3:50 PM
> Subject: Re: FC3 for x86_64?
> 
> 
> >Hi, Liz:
> >
> >Several of us are running Speakup Modified on x86_64 platforms,
> >including yours truly. However, there are not any up to date iso images
> >for speech enabled installation of x86_64. In fact, there are still no
> >x86_64 kernels with Speakup for FC4 because attempts at compiling have
> >to date been unsuccessful. It has proven possible to use a Speakup
> >Modified kernel for FC3 on an FC4 installation, and this appears to be
> >quite stable but may not be what you want.
> >
> >In short, the best way right now to install FC for x86_64 with speech is
> >to do an installation over telnet. This does provide speech during the
> >installation process, but it requires a second machine to control the
> >installation (obviously). This would be true whether you decide to
> >install FC3 or FC4 for x86_64. I would, speaking for myself, use FC4 and
> >either bring in a Sp[eakup Modified kernel from FC3 following a
> >successful install, or just drive the system over ssh.
> >
> >Janina
> >
> >Liz Hare writes:
> >>
> >>Hello,
> >>
> >>i'm trying to find information about installing Speakup Modified FC3 on a
> >>system with a pentium EMT64.... is there a separate distribution for
> >>this?  Will I have to modify the regular FC3 distribution with speakup
> >>myself?
> >>
> >>Liz, intimidated about playing with the kernel
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>Speakup mailing list
> >>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >-- 
> >
> >Janina Sajka Phone: +1.202.494.7040
> >Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com
> >Bringing the Owasys 22C screenless cell phone to the U.S. and Canada. Go 
> >to http://www.ScreenlessPhone.Com to learn more.
> >
> >Chair, Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG)
> >janina@freestandards.org http://a11y.org
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
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> 
> 
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Janina Sajka				Phone: +1.202.494.7040
Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC	http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com
Bringing the Owasys 22C screenless cell phone to the U.S. and Canada. Go to http://www.ScreenlessPhone.Com to learn more.

Chair, Accessibility Workgroup		Free Standards Group (FSG)
janina@freestandards.org		http://a11y.org

Re: FC3 for x86_64?

[Chris Norman]

And if I were to do that, I could telnet from a windows box (with a command 
like telnet 192.168.2.98 23)? would it speak on the Linux box or the 
windows?

Cheers,

Chris Norman.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: FC3 for x86_64?


> Yes, Chris. That's precisely how you do it.
>
> Here's an example which supplies the static address 192.168.1.11 to the
> machine where FC is to be installed using that machines second ethernet
> device:
>
> At the boot> prompt you would type something like:
>
> text telnet ip=192.168.1.11 netmask=255.255.255.0 gateway=192.168.1.254
> ksdevice=/dev/eth1
>
> Obviously, this goes on one line and needs to be adjusted for local
> circumstances.
>
> PS: You can also add this syntax in advance when booting from a USB
> stick. Just insert it all in the kernel arguments in the proper stanza
> of syslinux.cfg, and change the top line to say "default text"
>
> Chris Norman writes:
>> How do you do a telnet install?
>>
>> I mean, would I stick the disks in, start the install and then telnet?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Chris Norman.
>>
>> <!-- chris.norman4@ntlworld.com -->
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 3:50 PM
>> Subject: Re: FC3 for x86_64?
>>
>>
>> >Hi, Liz:
>> >
>> >Several of us are running Speakup Modified on x86_64 platforms,
>> >including yours truly. However, there are not any up to date iso images
>> >for speech enabled installation of x86_64. In fact, there are still no
>> >x86_64 kernels with Speakup for FC4 because attempts at compiling have
>> >to date been unsuccessful. It has proven possible to use a Speakup
>> >Modified kernel for FC3 on an FC4 installation, and this appears to be
>> >quite stable but may not be what you want.
>> >
>> >In short, the best way right now to install FC for x86_64 with speech is
>> >to do an installation over telnet. This does provide speech during the
>> >installation process, but it requires a second machine to control the
>> >installation (obviously). This would be true whether you decide to
>> >install FC3 or FC4 for x86_64. I would, speaking for myself, use FC4 and
>> >either bring in a Sp[eakup Modified kernel from FC3 following a
>> >successful install, or just drive the system over ssh.
>> >
>> >Janina
>> >
>> >Liz Hare writes:
>> >>
>> >>Hello,
>> >>
>> >>i'm trying to find information about installing Speakup Modified FC3 on 
>> >>a
>> >>system with a pentium EMT64.... is there a separate distribution for
>> >>this?  Will I have to modify the regular FC3 distribution with speakup
>> >>myself?
>> >>
>> >>Liz, intimidated about playing with the kernel
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>_______________________________________________
>> >>Speakup mailing list
>> >>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >
>> >-- 
>> >
>> >Janina Sajka Phone: +1.202.494.7040
>> >Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com
>> >Bringing the Owasys 22C screenless cell phone to the U.S. and Canada. Go
>> >to http://www.ScreenlessPhone.Com to learn more.
>> >
>> >Chair, Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG)
>> >janina@freestandards.org http://a11y.org
>> >
>> >_______________________________________________
>> >Speakup mailing list
>> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >
>> >
>> >-- 
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>> >03/08/2005
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> -- 
>
> Janina Sajka Phone: +1.202.494.7040
> Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com
> Bringing the Owasys 22C screenless cell phone to the U.S. and Canada. Go 
> to http://www.ScreenlessPhone.Com to learn more.
>
> Chair, Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG)
> janina@freestandards.org http://a11y.org
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
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Re: FC3 for x86_64?

[Janina Sajka]

No, you got the wrong IP, so it's hard to know whether you got the
concept.

To stick with my example, you would:

telnet 192.168.1.11

The address 192.168.1.11 is the address of the machine where you're
installing Fedora. Since it's telnet, whatever speech you would be using
would depend on the system you're telnetting from, as always with
telnet. If that happens to be Windows, then it will be your Windows
screen reader.


Chris Norman writes:
> And if I were to do that, I could telnet from a windows box (with a command 
> like telnet 192.168.2.98 23)? would it speak on the Linux box or the 
> windows?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Chris Norman.
> 
> <!-- chris.norman4@ntlworld.com -->
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 6:05 PM
> Subject: Re: FC3 for x86_64?
> 
> 
> >Yes, Chris. That's precisely how you do it.
> >
> >Here's an example which supplies the static address 192.168.1.11 to the
> >machine where FC is to be installed using that machines second ethernet
> >device:
> >
> >At the boot> prompt you would type something like:
> >
> >text telnet ip=192.168.1.11 netmask=255.255.255.0 gateway=192.168.1.254
> >ksdevice=/dev/eth1

Re: FC3 for x86_64?

[Chris Norman]

Great stuff, cheers.

How far will it talk? Could I continue to use my windows box as a telnet 
screen reader?

Cheers,

Chris Norman.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: FC3 for x86_64?


> No, you got the wrong IP, so it's hard to know whether you got the
> concept.
>
> To stick with my example, you would:
>
> telnet 192.168.1.11
>
> The address 192.168.1.11 is the address of the machine where you're
> installing Fedora. Since it's telnet, whatever speech you would be using
> would depend on the system you're telnetting from, as always with
> telnet. If that happens to be Windows, then it will be your Windows
> screen reader.
>
>
> Chris Norman writes:
>> And if I were to do that, I could telnet from a windows box (with a 
>> command
>> like telnet 192.168.2.98 23)? would it speak on the Linux box or the
>> windows?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Chris Norman.
>>
>> <!-- chris.norman4@ntlworld.com -->
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 6:05 PM
>> Subject: Re: FC3 for x86_64?
>>
>>
>> >Yes, Chris. That's precisely how you do it.
>> >
>> >Here's an example which supplies the static address 192.168.1.11 to the
>> >machine where FC is to be installed using that machines second ethernet
>> >device:
>> >
>> >At the boot> prompt you would type something like:
>> >
>> >text telnet ip=192.168.1.11 netmask=255.255.255.0 gateway=192.168.1.254
>> >ksdevice=/dev/eth1
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
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>
> 

Re: FC3 for x86_64?

[Liz Hare]

Thanks, Janina,

I don't mind having FC3 at all at this point... I knew FC4 wasn't 
available, but wondered if I needed separate ISO images for 64-bit, and it 
looks from your message like I do... thanks very much for your help.

Liz

At 10:50 AM 8/5/2005, you wrote:
>Hi, Liz:
>
>Several of us are running Speakup Modified on x86_64 platforms,
>including yours truly. However, there are not any up to date iso images
>for speech enabled installation of x86_64. In fact, there are still no
>x86_64 kernels with Speakup for FC4 because attempts at compiling have
>to date been unsuccessful. It has proven possible to use a Speakup
>Modified kernel for FC3 on an FC4 installation, and this appears to be
>quite stable but may not be what you want.
>
>In short, the best way right now to install FC for x86_64 with speech is
>to do an installation over telnet. This does provide speech during the
>installation process, but it requires a second machine to control the
>installation (obviously). This would be true whether you decide to
>install FC3 or FC4 for x86_64. I would, speaking for myself, use FC4 and
>either bring in a Sp[eakup Modified kernel from FC3 following a
>successful install, or just drive the system over ssh.
>
>                                 Janina
>
>Liz Hare writes:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > i'm trying to find information about installing Speakup Modified FC3 on a
> > system with a pentium EMT64.... is there a separate distribution for
> > this?  Will I have to modify the regular FC3 distribution with speakup
> > myself?
> >
> > Liz, intimidated about playing with the kernel
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>--
>
>Janina Sajka                            Phone: +1.202.494.7040
>Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC      http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com
>Bringing the Owasys 22C screenless cell phone to the U.S. and Canada. Go 
>to http://www.ScreenlessPhone.Com to learn more.
>
>Chair, Accessibility Workgroup          Free Standards Group (FSG)
>janina@freestandards.org                http://a11y.org
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: FC3 for x86_64?

[Chris Norman]

Do you need the subnet mask and gateway? Won't the IP do?

Cheers,

Chris Norman.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: FC3 for x86_64?


> Yes, Chris. That's precisely how you do it.
>
> Here's an example which supplies the static address 192.168.1.11 to the
> machine where FC is to be installed using that machines second ethernet
> device:
>
> At the boot> prompt you would type something like:
>
> text telnet ip=192.168.1.11 netmask=255.255.255.0 gateway=192.168.1.254
> ksdevice=/dev/eth1
>
> Obviously, this goes on one line and needs to be adjusted for local
> circumstances.
>
> PS: You can also add this syntax in advance when booting from a USB
> stick. Just insert it all in the kernel arguments in the proper stanza
> of syslinux.cfg, and change the top line to say "default text"
>
> Chris Norman writes:
>> How do you do a telnet install?
>>
>> I mean, would I stick the disks in, start the install and then telnet?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Chris Norman.
>>
>> <!-- chris.norman4@ntlworld.com -->
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 3:50 PM
>> Subject: Re: FC3 for x86_64?
>>
>>
>> >Hi, Liz:
>> >
>> >Several of us are running Speakup Modified on x86_64 platforms,
>> >including yours truly. However, there are not any up to date iso images
>> >for speech enabled installation of x86_64. In fact, there are still no
>> >x86_64 kernels with Speakup for FC4 because attempts at compiling have
>> >to date been unsuccessful. It has proven possible to use a Speakup
>> >Modified kernel for FC3 on an FC4 installation, and this appears to be
>> >quite stable but may not be what you want.
>> >
>> >In short, the best way right now to install FC for x86_64 with speech is
>> >to do an installation over telnet. This does provide speech during the
>> >installation process, but it requires a second machine to control the
>> >installation (obviously). This would be true whether you decide to
>> >install FC3 or FC4 for x86_64. I would, speaking for myself, use FC4 and
>> >either bring in a Sp[eakup Modified kernel from FC3 following a
>> >successful install, or just drive the system over ssh.
>> >
>> >Janina
>> >
>> >Liz Hare writes:
>> >>
>> >>Hello,
>> >>
>> >>i'm trying to find information about installing Speakup Modified FC3 on 
>> >>a
>> >>system with a pentium EMT64.... is there a separate distribution for
>> >>this?  Will I have to modify the regular FC3 distribution with speakup
>> >>myself?
>> >>
>> >>Liz, intimidated about playing with the kernel
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>_______________________________________________
>> >>Speakup mailing list
>> >>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >
>> >-- 
>> >
>> >Janina Sajka Phone: +1.202.494.7040
>> >Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com
>> >Bringing the Owasys 22C screenless cell phone to the U.S. and Canada. Go
>> >to http://www.ScreenlessPhone.Com to learn more.
>> >
>> >Chair, Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG)
>> >janina@freestandards.org http://a11y.org
>> >
>> >_______________________________________________
>> >Speakup mailing list
>> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >
>> >
>> >-- 
>> >No virus found in this incoming message.
>> >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
>> >Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.0/63 - Release Date: 
>> >03/08/2005
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> -- 
>
> Janina Sajka Phone: +1.202.494.7040
> Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com
> Bringing the Owasys 22C screenless cell phone to the U.S. and Canada. Go 
> to http://www.ScreenlessPhone.Com to learn more.
>
> Chair, Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG)
> janina@freestandards.org http://a11y.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
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Re: FC3 for x86_64?

[Janina Sajka]

Not sure what you mean by "how far." It will talk through the entire
installation, certainly. Can you then use a telnet connection to your
linux system for daily use? Of course. However, you will have some
issues finishing the installation. Telnet is not enabled by default.
You can certainly enable it, so that it's available on every boot, but
you'll have to configure that from a LInux console, and for security
reasons, you should restrict it to internal lan use only--to a non
routable ip, for instance.

Chris Norman writes:
> Great stuff, cheers.
> 
> How far will it talk? Could I continue to use my windows box as a telnet 
> screen reader?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Chris Norman.
> 
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> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 6:29 PM
> Subject: Re: FC3 for x86_64?
> 
> 
> >No, you got the wrong IP, so it's hard to know whether you got the
> >concept.
> >
> >To stick with my example, you would:
> >
> >telnet 192.168.1.11
> >
> >The address 192.168.1.11 is the address of the machine where you're
> >installing Fedora. Since it's telnet, whatever speech you would be using
> >would depend on the system you're telnetting from, as always with
> >telnet. If that happens to be Windows, then it will be your Windows
> >screen reader.
> >
> >
> >Chris Norman writes:
> >>And if I were to do that, I could telnet from a windows box (with a 
> >>command
> >>like telnet 192.168.2.98 23)? would it speak on the Linux box or the
> >>windows?
> >>
> >>Cheers,
> >>
> >>Chris Norman.
> >>
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> >>From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
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> >>Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 6:05 PM
> >>Subject: Re: FC3 for x86_64?
> >>
> >>
> >>>Yes, Chris. That's precisely how you do it.
> >>>
> >>>Here's an example which supplies the static address 192.168.1.11 to the
> >>>machine where FC is to be installed using that machines second ethernet
> >>>device:
> >>>
> >>>At the boot> prompt you would type something like:
> >>>
> >>>text telnet ip=192.168.1.11 netmask=255.255.255.0 gateway=192.168.1.254
> >>>ksdevice=/dev/eth1
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Re: FC3 for x86_64?

[Janina Sajka]

Well, the x86_64 platform is a bit of a strange beast. You could install
i386 on it, or x86_64. Either would work. If you want native 64 bit
execution, though, you'd go with the x86_64. I suppose you'll want that
if you intend to crunch lots of numbers! <grin>

I feel bad about sending you to FC3 for x86_64. The amount of updating
following the installation will be truly prodigious.Any reason you
shouldn't just do FC4? That's only two months of upgrades, versus 9
months for FC3.

Liz Hare writes:
> 
> Thanks, Janina,
> 
> I don't mind having FC3 at all at this point... I knew FC4 wasn't 
> available, but wondered if I needed separate ISO images for 64-bit, and it 
> looks from your message like I do... thanks very much for your help.
> 
> Liz
> 
> At 10:50 AM 8/5/2005, you wrote:
> >Hi, Liz:
> >
> >Several of us are running Speakup Modified on x86_64 platforms,
> >including yours truly. However, there are not any up to date iso images
> >for speech enabled installation of x86_64. In fact, there are still no
> >x86_64 kernels with Speakup for FC4 because attempts at compiling have
> >to date been unsuccessful. It has proven possible to use a Speakup
> >Modified kernel for FC3 on an FC4 installation, and this appears to be
> >quite stable but may not be what you want.
> >
> >In short, the best way right now to install FC for x86_64 with speech is
> >to do an installation over telnet. This does provide speech during the
> >installation process, but it requires a second machine to control the
> >installation (obviously). This would be true whether you decide to
> >install FC3 or FC4 for x86_64. I would, speaking for myself, use FC4 and
> >either bring in a Sp[eakup Modified kernel from FC3 following a
> >successful install, or just drive the system over ssh.
> >
> >                                Janina
> >
> >Liz Hare writes:
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> i'm trying to find information about installing Speakup Modified FC3 on a
> >> system with a pentium EMT64.... is there a separate distribution for
> >> this?  Will I have to modify the regular FC3 distribution with speakup
> >> myself?
> >>
> >> Liz, intimidated about playing with the kernel
> >>
> >>
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Re: FC3 for x86_64?

[Janina Sajka]

You would think so, but I believe it does want those specified--even
though you're unlikely even to use the gateway. This is an installer,
remember, not a full fledged OS.

Chris Norman writes:
> Do you need the subnet mask and gateway? Won't the IP do?

Re: FC3 for x86_64?

[Liz Hare]

>if you intend to crunch lots of numbers! <grin>

Yup, that's what this <hopefully> speedy new machine is for....

>I feel bad about sending you to FC3 for x86_64. The amount of updating
>following the installation will be truly prodigious.Any reason you
>shouldn't just do FC4?

I thought that there wasn't a speakup-modified FC4 yet.... did I miss 
something?

I'm really confused about this process-- I'm installing a whole new Linux, 
here, and am not sure how to proceed.  I see that in the directory for FC3 
there is a subdirectory for x86_64.  Should I install the regular version 
first from the ISO's and then add the rpms in the x86_64 after that?  Or do 
I somehow need to create install disks with the x86_64 rpms?

Sorry to be so dense, here....
Liz 

Re: FC3 for x86_64?

[Janina Sajka]

Liz Hare writes:
> 
> 
> >if you intend to crunch lots of numbers! <grin>
> 
> Yup, that's what this <hopefully> speedy new machine is for....
> 
> >I feel bad about sending you to FC3 for x86_64. The amount of updating
> >following the installation will be truly prodigious.Any reason you
> >shouldn't just do FC4?
> 
> I thought that there wasn't a speakup-modified FC4 yet.... did I miss 
> something?

You can use a speakup Modified FC3 kernel on an FC4 installation. It
works.

> 
> I'm really confused about this process-- I'm installing a whole new Linux, 
> here, and am not sure how to proceed.  I see that in the directory for FC3 
> there is a subdirectory for x86_64.  Should I install the regular version 
> first from the ISO's and then add the rpms in the x86_64 after that?  Or do 
> I somehow need to create install disks with the x86_64 rpms?

You need a complete set of x86_64 iso images/disks. You also need to
boot specifically using x86_64 files. I do see that there are none such
on the Speakup site. Can you do a telnet install? Forgetting for the
moment that you may not have done that before, do you have a second
machine that can be used to control the process with speech? Or,

> 
> Sorry to be so dense, here....
> Liz 
> 
> 
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Re: FC3 for x86_64?

[Liz Hare]

Hi, Janina,

Nope, I'm not set up for the telnet install process.  How did you guys get 
the 64 bit version installed?
Thanks,
Liz

Installing Speakup on FC4

[Liz Hare]

Hello,
I'm having to install speakup on FC4 myself rather than use a 
speakup-modified distribution because I have a 64 bit setup.

I am having trouble getting the install script to work following the 
directions in the installation file.

Redhat has some different conventions when it comes to locations for source 
code and stuff.  I've followed the directions, making a symlink 
/usr/src/linux, but the install program isn't finding what it needs.  I've 
tried pointing the symlink to different levels of the tree with no luck.

Also, the install program reports that it can't find a Makefile it  needs 
and I have no idea where it's supposed to be!

Is there anywhere I can read about where all this stuff goes and how to get 
it to work?
I'm having to borrow eyeballs to work on this and it's frustrating and 
would be nice to get it fixed soon so I can solve all the other problems 
I'm having like getting the network card working, etc.!

Liz