cursor questions and a reading question

cursor questions and a reading question

[Daniel Dalton]

Hi,

I have been told not to cross-post to blinux or what ever it is called. 
So I won't.

Ok I open up the BRLTTY manual in my text editor. (emacs)
I press speakup key +down arrow on the numpad.
I hear speakup voice the first screen then it stops.
How do I make it read from the top of the document to the bottom.
And can I make it move the app cursor at the same time?

And another question:
If I put the speakup cursor somewhere can I move the application's 
cursor to that spot?

Thanks for any help.

Re: cursor questions and a reading question

[Gaijin]

On Wed, Nov 21, 2007 at 04:28:16PM +1100, Daniel Dalton wrote:
> Ok I open up the BRLTTY manual in my text editor. (emacs)
> I press speakup key +down arrow on the numpad.
> I hear speakup voice the first screen then it stops.
> How do I make it read from the top of the document to the bottom.
> And can I make it move the app cursor at the same time?
> 
> And another question:
> If I put the speakup cursor somewhere can I move the application's 
> cursor to that spot?
> 

	Press '+' (Plus) on the numeric keypad to read the entire
screen.  If you toggle cursoring on by pressing the second from the
top, right-most key on the numeric keypad, speakup's cursor will track
with your program's cursor.  Unfortunately, it cannot move the program's
cursor, as speakup is only aware of what's being displayed on the
screen, and not what the software is or how it moves it's cursor.
You'll basically need one hand on the cursor controls, and the other on
the speakup controls.  I wish they made the cursor pad on the left of
the alphanumeric keys, so it would be more convenient for people who
like using both hands simultaneously.  I also wish they made braille key
caps, too, but I guess we can't have everything.  Anyway, play around
with it long enough and it will soon become second nature.  HTH,

				Michael

FC 8 Questions

[Scott Ford]

Hello Everyone,
	I am an inexperienced Linux user, so I need things spelled out
explicitly.  I would like to install Werewolf, fc 8 i86 64bit if possible.
I do not know how to patch a kernel, would someone know where I could read a
how to on patching fc8 with Speakup?  I am assuming the following is the
process for getting a patched fc8  up and running  could someone confirm
that I am correct with my assumptions?
First I would just go and download the FC8 from the repository?
Next I would do the telnet install as per the telnet how to.
Finally I would telnet into the machine after the reboot, and patch the
kernel with the Speakup patch?
Thank you for any help.
Scott

RE: FC 8 Questions

[Scott Ford]

Hi Chris,
	Everything that I have found out about FC8, and how to install it
are from the speakupmodified web site.  The questions that I have asked are
not found at the site.  I am hoping that someone who knows is willing to
help a non Linux guru break into the exciting Linux world.  Thanks
Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Norman [mailto:chris.norman4@ntlworld.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 9:15 AM
To: scott@adaptiveit.us; Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: FC 8 Questions

I don't know much about all that, but I do know, that if you go to
speakupmodified.org, all the info is there.

HTH.

On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 09:08 -0500, Scott Ford wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
> 	I am an inexperienced Linux user, so I need things spelled out
> explicitly.  I would like to install Werewolf, fc 8 i86 64bit if possible.
> I do not know how to patch a kernel, would someone know where I could read
a
> how to on patching fc8 with Speakup?  I am assuming the following is the
> process for getting a patched fc8  up and running  could someone confirm
> that I am correct with my assumptions?
> First I would just go and download the FC8 from the repository?
> Next I would do the telnet install as per the telnet how to.
> Finally I would telnet into the machine after the reboot, and patch the
> kernel with the Speakup patch?
> Thank you for any help.
> Scott
> 
> 
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> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: FC 8 Questions

[Janina Sajka]

The SpeakupModified already provides kernels for Fedora 8 patched with
Speakup. We provide them as standard Fedora rpm files to make
installation easy for you. Is there some particular reason you think you
need to roll your own, instead? If so, get ready for a very steep
learning curve and a lot of frustration. I will back out of the way, if
you're really just into learning to patch and build kernels. But, if you
just want a talking Werewolf, that's much easier and we will help.

Janina

Scott Ford writes:
> Hello Everyone,
> 	I am an inexperienced Linux user, so I need things spelled out
> explicitly.  I would like to install Werewolf, fc 8 i86 64bit if possible.
> I do not know how to patch a kernel, would someone know where I could read a
> how to on patching fc8 with Speakup?  I am assuming the following is the
> process for getting a patched fc8  up and running  could someone confirm
> that I am correct with my assumptions?
> First I would just go and download the FC8 from the repository?
> Next I would do the telnet install as per the telnet how to.
> Finally I would telnet into the machine after the reboot, and patch the
> kernel with the Speakup patch?
> Thank you for any help.
> Scott
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC	http://CapitalAccessibility.Com

Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada
Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com

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RE: FC 8 Questions

[Scott Ford]

Janina,
	No I do not want to do any such thing.  I do not see an explanation
of how to apply the patch.  I have never used an RPM before.  I did not se
any information about what to do after one finishes doing the fc8 telnet
install.  I do not know what to do after it is installed.    Thank you for
any help  
Scott


-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 6:48 PM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: FC 8 Questions

The SpeakupModified already provides kernels for Fedora 8 patched with
Speakup. We provide them as standard Fedora rpm files to make
installation easy for you. Is there some particular reason you think you
need to roll your own, instead? If so, get ready for a very steep
learning curve and a lot of frustration. I will back out of the way, if
you're really just into learning to patch and build kernels. But, if you
just want a talking Werewolf, that's much easier and we will help.

Janina

Scott Ford writes:
> Hello Everyone,
> 	I am an inexperienced Linux user, so I need things spelled out
> explicitly.  I would like to install Werewolf, fc 8 i86 64bit if possible.
> I do not know how to patch a kernel, would someone know where I could read
a
> how to on patching fc8 with Speakup?  I am assuming the following is the
> process for getting a patched fc8  up and running  could someone confirm
> that I am correct with my assumptions?
> First I would just go and download the FC8 from the repository?
> Next I would do the telnet install as per the telnet how to.
> Finally I would telnet into the machine after the reboot, and patch the
> kernel with the Speakup patch?
> Thank you for any help.
> Scott
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 

Janina Sajka,	Phone:	+1.202.595.7777;	sip:janina@a11y.org
Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC	http://CapitalAccessibility.Com

Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and
Canada
Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com

Chair, Open Accessibility	janina@a11y.org	
Linux Foundation		http://a11y.org

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Re: cursor questions and a reading question

[Michael Whapples]

On Tue, 2007-11-20 at 23:02 -0800, Gaijin wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2007 at 04:28:16PM +1100, Daniel Dalton wrote:
> > Ok I open up the BRLTTY manual in my text editor. (emacs)
> > I press speakup key +down arrow on the numpad.
> > I hear speakup voice the first screen then it stops.
> > How do I make it read from the top of the document to the bottom.
> > And can I make it move the app cursor at the same time?
> > 
> > And another question:
> > If I put the speakup cursor somewhere can I move the application's 
> > cursor to that spot?
> > 
> I would suggest possibly looking at speechd-el (www.freebsoft.org) or emacspeak if you are using emacs (speechd-el uses speech-dispatcher for output and can use brltty 3.7.2 to provide braille display support, whereas emacspeak only does speech output and may be harder to setup). I am still learning about speechd-el, but it looks like it is more powerful than using speakup with emacs (as speechd-el intergrates with emacs closely).
>   Press '+' (Plus) on the numeric keypad to read the entire
> screen.  If you toggle cursoring on by pressing the second from the
> top, right-most key on the numeric keypad, speakup's cursor will track
> with your program's cursor.  Unfortunately, it cannot move the program's
> cursor, as speakup is only aware of what's being displayed on the
> screen, and not what the software is or how it moves it's cursor.
> You'll basically need one hand on the cursor controls, and the other on
> the speakup controls.  I wish they made the cursor pad on the left of
> the alphanumeric keys, so it would be more convenient for people who
> like using both hands simultaneously.  I also wish they made braille key
> caps, too, but I guess we can't have everything.  Anyway, play around
> with it long enough and it will soon become second nature.  HTH,
> I don't know much of it, and have never actually physically seen one, but I think there has been a keyboard where the blocks were positioned differently (I think it was number pad or cursor keys or may be both were to the left of the main block of keys). As I said I know very little of that, other than that I think the manufacturers thought it might be useful to mouse users (who have the mouse in the right hand), but may be it wasn't successful as it doesn't seem to have become widely adopted.
>               Michael
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: cursor questions and a reading question

[Michael Whapples]

I forgot to mention, the cursor routing, if you are going to use brltty,
it can do it with the gpm daemon. I don't want to start of another of
those topics where they end up going no where (and it might lead to a
kernel space or user space conversation), but what would the possibility
be for speakup to use gpm for cursor routing? Is it a simple as is no,
or might it be possible, I am not saying it should be done, but it might
be good if someone has the time.

From
Michael Whapples
On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 18:12 +0000, Michael Whapples wrote:
> On Tue, 2007-11-20 at 23:02 -0800, Gaijin wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 21, 2007 at 04:28:16PM +1100, Daniel Dalton wrote:
> > > Ok I open up the BRLTTY manual in my text editor. (emacs)
> > > I press speakup key +down arrow on the numpad.
> > > I hear speakup voice the first screen then it stops.
> > > How do I make it read from the top of the document to the bottom.
> > > And can I make it move the app cursor at the same time?
> > > 
> > > And another question:
> > > If I put the speakup cursor somewhere can I move the application's 
> > > cursor to that spot?
> > > 
> > I would suggest possibly looking at speechd-el (www.freebsoft.org) or emacspeak if you are using emacs (speechd-el uses speech-dispatcher for output and can use brltty 3.7.2 to provide braille display support, whereas emacspeak only does speech output and may be harder to setup). I am still learning about speechd-el, but it looks like it is more powerful than using speakup with emacs (as speechd-el intergrates with emacs closely).
> >   Press '+' (Plus) on the numeric keypad to read the entire
> > screen.  If you toggle cursoring on by pressing the second from the
> > top, right-most key on the numeric keypad, speakup's cursor will track
> > with your program's cursor.  Unfortunately, it cannot move the program's
> > cursor, as speakup is only aware of what's being displayed on the
> > screen, and not what the software is or how it moves it's cursor.
> > You'll basically need one hand on the cursor controls, and the other on
> > the speakup controls.  I wish they made the cursor pad on the left of
> > the alphanumeric keys, so it would be more convenient for people who
> > like using both hands simultaneously.  I also wish they made braille key
> > caps, too, but I guess we can't have everything.  Anyway, play around
> > with it long enough and it will soon become second nature.  HTH,
> > I don't know much of it, and have never actually physically seen one, but I think there has been a keyboard where the blocks were positioned differently (I think it was number pad or cursor keys or may be both were to the left of the main block of keys). As I said I know very little of that, other than that I think the manufacturers thought it might be useful to mouse users (who have the mouse in the right hand), but may be it wasn't successful as it doesn't seem to have become widely adopted.
> >               Michael
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
>