A spamthing we can use??

A spamthing we can use??

[Paul Migliorelli (+1 3 0 3 5 1 9 5 3 4 6)]

Hi all.  I figure tis time to tinker and figure out how to set up a spam 
something or other.  I saw where Kirk, you have something for aproving 
addresses when a message is sent you, so I figure there ***must be 
something we can use after all.  So, wondering where to get such a system. 
I figure if you get messages from lists, you can let them through 
somehow??  So, what would be recommended to gget and where to find it 
would be great.  Thanks.

Re: A spamthing we can use??

[brian Moore]

Hi. I use spam assassin available from http://www.spamassassin.org

You have to run your own mail server to use it but it works quite well
and I have it updating itself via cron job.

Once you've had it running a while, it gets pretty good at learning
what to tag and what not.

Brian.

It kills a hell of a lot of messages when I look at the reports it
generates.

Brian.


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On 5/17/2005 at 10:10 AM Paul Migliorelli (+1 3 0 3 5 1 9 5 3 4 6)
wrote:

>Hi all.  I figure tis time to tinker and figure out how to set up a
spam 
>something or other.  I saw where Kirk, you have something for aproving

>addresses when a message is sent you, so I figure there ***must be 
>something we can use after all.  So, wondering where to get such a
system. 
>I figure if you get messages from lists, you can let them through 
>somehow??  So, what would be recommended to gget and where to find it 
>would be great.  Thanks.
>
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Re: A spamthing we can use??

[Steve Holmes]

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Yeah, I wanted to use that too but it runs too slow on my old 486 and
that is what I currently use for processing my mail.  My faster machine
dual boots windows and linux so can't reliably use it for constant up
time for accepting mail.  How fast a machine are you using?

my internet hosting service has spam assassin on their box at
ultrahost.us but he doesn't have the auto learn feature turned on.  As a
personal user, I am limitted to using the cpanel interface and for
whatever reason, I have no means to turn on the auto learn feature.  Is
there any way as a normal user on his system to some how "train" spam
assassin to include new items as spam?

On Tue, May 17, 2005 at 05:04:02PM -0400, brian Moore wrote:
> Hi. I use spam assassin available from http://www.spamassassin.org
> 
> You have to run your own mail server to use it but it works quite well
> and I have it updating itself via cron job.
> 
> Once you've had it running a while, it gets pretty good at learning
> what to tag and what not.
> 
> Brian.

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Re: A spamthing we can use??

[Nick Gawronski]

Hi, I use a service called 0spam.com at http://www.0spam.com that is 
very accessible and is remote so no software needs to be installed but I 
have setup fetchmail to force the spam checker to check for spam every 
minute but normally you don't need to do this, I just don't like spam. 
bye On Wed, 18 May 2005, Steve Holmes wrote:

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> Yeah, I wanted to use that too but it runs too slow on my old 486 and
> that is what I currently use for processing my mail.  My faster machine
> dual boots windows and linux so can't reliably use it for constant up
> time for accepting mail.  How fast a machine are you using?
>
> my internet hosting service has spam assassin on their box at
> ultrahost.us but he doesn't have the auto learn feature turned on.  As a
> personal user, I am limitted to using the cpanel interface and for
> whatever reason, I have no means to turn on the auto learn feature.  Is
> there any way as a normal user on his system to some how "train" spam
> assassin to include new items as spam?
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2005 at 05:04:02PM -0400, brian Moore wrote:
>> Hi. I use spam assassin available from http://www.spamassassin.org
>>
>> You have to run your own mail server to use it but it works quite well
>> and I have it updating itself via cron job.
>>
>> Once you've had it running a while, it gets pretty good at learning
>> what to tag and what not.
>>
>> Brian.
>
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Re: A spamthing we can use??

[Brian Moore]

greetings.  Yeah, it is a bit of a resource pig.  I am running it on a p4 
2.6 with an smp kernel to take advantage of the hyper threading of the 
processor.

Even on my machine with a gig of quite fast memory, it certainly generates a 
performance hit.

Never tried setting up per user configuration of it but will play and see 
what I can do.

I don't believe that a regular user can turn on the auto learn functions but 
will see what I can do.

Now, if I could convince it to not spam alerts to my mailing lists. 
Probably something I can do in mailman to not allow messages which have 
beentagged as spam so I don't have to keep going to admin pages to reject 
posts from non-members.

Brian.

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From: "Nick Gawronski" <nick@nickgawronski.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: A spamthing we can use??


> Hi, I use a service called 0spam.com at http://www.0spam.com that is very 
> accessible and is remote so no software needs to be installed but I have 
> setup fetchmail to force the spam checker to check for spam every minute 
> but normally you don't need to do this, I just don't like spam. bye On 
> Wed, 18 May 2005, Steve Holmes wrote:
>
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>> Hash: RIPEMD160
>>
>> Yeah, I wanted to use that too but it runs too slow on my old 486 and
>> that is what I currently use for processing my mail.  My faster machine
>> dual boots windows and linux so can't reliably use it for constant up
>> time for accepting mail.  How fast a machine are you using?
>>
>> my internet hosting service has spam assassin on their box at
>> ultrahost.us but he doesn't have the auto learn feature turned on.  As a
>> personal user, I am limitted to using the cpanel interface and for
>> whatever reason, I have no means to turn on the auto learn feature.  Is
>> there any way as a normal user on his system to some how "train" spam
>> assassin to include new items as spam?
>>
>> On Tue, May 17, 2005 at 05:04:02PM -0400, brian Moore wrote:
>>> Hi. I use spam assassin available from http://www.spamassassin.org
>>>
>>> You have to run your own mail server to use it but it works quite well
>>> and I have it updating itself via cron job.
>>>
>>> Once you've had it running a while, it gets pretty good at learning
>>> what to tag and what not.
>>>
>>> Brian.
>>
>> - --
>> HolmesGrown Solutions
>> The best solutions for the best price!
>> http://ld.net/?holmesgrown
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A spamthing we can use?

[.dan.]

Regarding the use of a white list spam filter:

"hmm.  That is a way, how do you get mail from anyone new and how do you
filterout mail which appears to be from an address but is not?
 ".dan." ddunfee@city-net.com"

Look at the last line above.  The .dan., which is period dan period for
those with punctuation turned off, is one device.  If I have sent an email
to a new person it will appear in their response and doesn't get deleted.
Equally so for someone seeing my address on a mailing list or similar
place.  If I know someone is going to send me a message who is new, usually
because I give them my address, I add some part of their address or other
text to the filter to catch it.  If I think I will be getting mail from
them and want to continue to do so I add them to my addressbook.

I subscribe to many mailing lists, by using only the domain and extention
domain type as a trigger text I can get mail from any list using that
service.  Thus one doesn't have to put every address in the addressbook.
Also, the send to and recieve from address of mailing lists are often
different so both would have to be in the addressbook to work.  I can thus
recieve mail from any using the service,ex. yahoogroups, and have the
specific send mail address in my addressbook.
The second part of the question never happens, the spammer would have to
know to include an address or bit of text which triggers the filter to not
to delete mail before it is sent, which is almost impossbile to predict on
their part.
                               XB
                                IC|XC

Re: A spamthing we can use?

[Sean McMahon]

hmm.  That is a way, how do you get mail from anyone new and how do you
filterout mail which appears to be from an address but is not?
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From: ".dan." <ddunfee@city-net.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:21 AM
Subject: A spamthing we can use?


>
> One approach is the white list.  Instead of using the never ending approach
> of finding and always adding to filters looking for possible spam content,
> the white list takes the oppisite approach.  Set up a filter that looks for
> mail you know you want and exclude everything else.  This is easy to do
> using pine's filter functions.  For example, one says to keep any mail
> containing an address also in one's addressbook, all else is either deleted
> or moved to a seperate file.  My spam fell to 0 using this in pine.  There
> is considerable more detail that can make it work easily, but the
> addressbook is one example.
>
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A spamthing we can use?

[.dan.]

One approach is the white list.  Instead of using the never ending approach
of finding and always adding to filters looking for possible spam content,
the white list takes the oppisite approach.  Set up a filter that looks for
mail you know you want and exclude everything else.  This is easy to do
using pine's filter functions.  For example, one says to keep any mail
containing an address also in one's addressbook, all else is either deleted
or moved to a seperate file.  My spam fell to 0 using this in pine.  There
is considerable more detail that can make it work easily, but the
addressbook is one example.

                               XB
                                IC|XC

RE: A spamthing we can use??

[Adam Myrow]

I use a set of procmail filters called Spam Bouncer.  It is at 
http://www.spambouncer.org.  Currently, the 2.0 beta is about to become 
the 2.0 final release, and it is pretty good at catching the spam.  It can 
be run as a normal user, and is actually easiest to run that way.  I have 
fetchmail retrieve my mail, and it does the filtering.  It does take some 
work to set up, but there is a nice sample procmailrc to assist you.  I'd 
actually suggest using the beta because it's more up-to-date.  Also, the 
program does get updated fairly frequently to catch new spammers, etc. 
It's just another option to consider.

RE: A spamthing we can use??

[Dawes, Stephen]

It is a Linux application. 
You may have some problems using in a user environment. I suggest you
read up on it at:
MailScanner.info



Steve Dawes
Phone: (403) 268-5527
Email: SDawes@calgary.ca
 
 


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RE: A spamthing we can use??

[Reinhard Stebner]

does this work under windows or just on a linux system that is being un or 
can I run it on my shell account ( I am not a admin).

On Tue, 17 May 2005, Dawes, Stephen wrote:

> Check out MailScanner at:
> mailscanner.info
>
> MailScanner is a vary powerful tool that will allow you to scan your
> mail for spam and viruses.
> It also has a process to keep itself up-to-date.
> MailScanner has a mail list that is both informative and the people on
> it are vary helpful.
>
> It is what I use, and I am having no problems with it.
>
>
>
> Steve Dawes
> Phone: (403) 268-5527
> Email: SDawes@calgary.ca
>
>
>
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RE: A spamthing we can use??

[Dawes, Stephen]

Check out MailScanner at:
mailscanner.info

MailScanner is a vary powerful tool that will allow you to scan your
mail for spam and viruses.
It also has a process to keep itself up-to-date.
MailScanner has a mail list that is both informative and the people on
it are vary helpful.
 
It is what I use, and I am having no problems with it. 



Steve Dawes
Phone: (403) 268-5527
Email: SDawes@calgary.ca
 
 


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