Back again

Back again

[Dan Murphy]

Hi all.
Finally after a year of not having a machine I could run Linux on I
finally have one.
It's a P200, and I installed Slackware 10.1 with kernel 2.4.29 and Speakup
2.0.  the machine has only 16 MB of ram and 1.9 GB drive space, but I hope
to remedy that in the next few weeks.
I do have a question but I'm not sure if it's Slackware specific or
something else.  Before I could use alt f1 through alt f6 to select up to
6 consoles simultaneously.  this seems to have gone away.  Is it because
of low memory or has there been some significant change with the bash
shell or what?
I can see in the boot process that it is going multi-user, so init is
running at level 3, and everything else seems to run ok.
I like some of the changes in Speakup too.
the machine isn't on the net, that's a few weeks away too, until I can get
a network card.
I need to get back into the swing of this, but I've forgotten a few
things, so could somebody update me on any major changes over the past
year or so?
thanks.


Dan Murphy mailto:mweeby@verizon.net
Web: http://greenwoodbbs.dyndns.org:8085

Re: Back again

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Welcome back, Dan.

Use only the left alt key, not the right one, and you should be able to 
change consoles okay.

Chuck


On Wed, 18 May 2005, Dan Murphy wrote:

> Hi all.
> Finally after a year of not having a machine I could run Linux on I
> finally have one.
> It's a P200, and I installed Slackware 10.1 with kernel 2.4.29 and Speakup
> 2.0.  the machine has only 16 MB of ram and 1.9 GB drive space, but I hope
> to remedy that in the next few weeks.
> I do have a question but I'm not sure if it's Slackware specific or
> something else.  Before I could use alt f1 through alt f6 to select up to
> 6 consoles simultaneously.  this seems to have gone away.  Is it because
> of low memory or has there been some significant change with the bash
> shell or what?
> I can see in the boot process that it is going multi-user, so init is
> running at level 3, and everything else seems to run ok.
> I like some of the changes in Speakup too.
> the machine isn't on the net, that's a few weeks away too, until I can get
> a network card.
> I need to get back into the swing of this, but I've forgotten a few
> things, so could somebody update me on any major changes over the past
> year or so?
> thanks.
>
>
> Dan Murphy mailto:mweeby@verizon.net
> Web: http://greenwoodbbs.dyndns.org:8085
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

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Re: Back again

[Ralph W. Reid]

Which <ALT> key are you using?  If you use the left <ALT> key along
with a function key, you will be trying to get to virtual terminals
1-12.  If you use the right <ALT> key, you will be trying to get to
virtual terinals 13-24.  If you do not have the terminal described in
/etc/inittab, you will not be able to get to it, and the keys you
press might appear to be nonfunctional.  You can add terminals to
/etc/inittab by looking for a line like the following in the file:

c6:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty6 linux

and then appending lines like the following below the above line:

c7:1235:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty7 linux
c8:1235:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty8 linux
c9:1235:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty9 linux
c10:1235:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty10 linux
.
.
.
c24:1235:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty24 linux

More terminals can be defined, but are a little trickier to get to
than simply pressing <ALT>-F??.  Once the changes to /etc/inittab have
been made and saved, the changes can be brought into effect by
executing the following as root:

telinit Q

For more details, see the man pages for the following: telinit,
inittab, and agetty.

HTH, and have a _great_ day!

On Wed, May 18, 2005 at 09:15:49AM -0400, Dan Murphy wrote:
> Hi all.
> Finally after a year of not having a machine I could run Linux on I
> finally have one.
> It's a P200, and I installed Slackware 10.1 with kernel 2.4.29 and Speakup
> 2.0.  the machine has only 16 MB of ram and 1.9 GB drive space, but I hope
> to remedy that in the next few weeks.
> I do have a question but I'm not sure if it's Slackware specific or
> something else.  Before I could use alt f1 through alt f6 to select up to
> 6 consoles simultaneously.  this seems to have gone away.  Is it because
> of low memory or has there been some significant change with the bash
> shell or what?
> I can see in the boot process that it is going multi-user, so init is
> running at level 3, and everything else seems to run ok.
> I like some of the changes in Speakup too.
> the machine isn't on the net, that's a few weeks away too, until I can get
> a network card.
> I need to get back into the swing of this, but I've forgotten a few
> things, so could somebody update me on any major changes over the past
> year or so?
> thanks.
> 
> 
> Dan Murphy mailto:mweeby@verizon.net
> Web: http://greenwoodbbs.dyndns.org:8085
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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y = x ^ LOG_B (x, y)

Re: Back again

[Dan Murphy]

thanks Ralph.
I made those changes in inittab and they worked fine.
I didn't like having to cross the keyboard so I defined some more
terminals that are easier to access.


Dan Murphy mailto:mweeby@verizon.net
AIM screen name: mweeby2000
Skype: mweeby
Web: http://greenwoodbbs.dyndns.org:8085


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ralph W. Reid" <rreid@sunset.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: Back again


Which <ALT> key are you using?  If you use the left <ALT> key along
with a function key, you will be trying to get to virtual terminals
1-12.  If you use the right <ALT> key, you will be trying to get to
virtual terinals 13-24.  If you do not have the terminal described in
/etc/inittab, you will not be able to get to it, and the keys you
press might appear to be nonfunctional.  You can add terminals to
/etc/inittab by looking for a line like the following in the file:

c6:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty6 linux

and then appending lines like the following below the above line:

c7:1235:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty7 linux
c8:1235:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty8 linux
c9:1235:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty9 linux
c10:1235:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty10 linux
.
.
.
c24:1235:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty24 linux

More terminals can be defined, but are a little trickier to get to
than simply pressing <ALT>-F??.  Once the changes to /etc/inittab have
been made and saved, the changes can be brought into effect by
executing the following as root:

telinit Q

For more details, see the man pages for the following: telinit,
inittab, and agetty.

HTH, and have a _great_ day!

On Wed, May 18, 2005 at 09:15:49AM -0400, Dan Murphy wrote:
> Hi all.
> Finally after a year of not having a machine I could run Linux on I
> finally have one.
> It's a P200, and I installed Slackware 10.1 with kernel 2.4.29 and
Speakup
> 2.0.  the machine has only 16 MB of ram and 1.9 GB drive space, but I
hope
> to remedy that in the next few weeks.
> I do have a question but I'm not sure if it's Slackware specific or
> something else.  Before I could use alt f1 through alt f6 to select up
to
> 6 consoles simultaneously.  this seems to have gone away.  Is it because
> of low memory or has there been some significant change with the bash
> shell or what?
> I can see in the boot process that it is going multi-user, so init is
> running at level 3, and everything else seems to run ok.
> I like some of the changes in Speakup too.
> the machine isn't on the net, that's a few weeks away too, until I can
get
> a network card.
> I need to get back into the swing of this, but I've forgotten a few
> things, so could somebody update me on any major changes over the past
> year or so?
> thanks.
>
>
> Dan Murphy mailto:mweeby@verizon.net
> Web: http://greenwoodbbs.dyndns.org:8085
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: Back again

[Steve Holmes]

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On Wed, May 18, 2005 at 06:57:04PM -0400, Dan Murphy wrote:
> thanks Ralph.
> I made those changes in inittab and they worked fine.
> I didn't like having to cross the keyboard so I defined some more
> terminals that are easier to access.

Actually, another way you can jump from terminal to terminal is using
the left alt key plus the left or right arrow keys.  This will cycle you
from 1 to 2 to 3 and so on.  I use that method all the time.  But I've
never had more than four sessions going at any one time.  using the
arrow keys to get from console 2 clear up to console 23 would be an
awful lot of right arrow presses:).

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Re: Back again

[Charles Hallenbeck]

One more tip, while we are tipping: If you want to log into any of those 
consoles as root, you must make sure it has en entry in /etc/securetty 
(check spelling).

Chuck


On Wed, 18 May 2005, Steve Holmes wrote:

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> On Wed, May 18, 2005 at 06:57:04PM -0400, Dan Murphy wrote:
>> thanks Ralph.
>> I made those changes in inittab and they worked fine.
>> I didn't like having to cross the keyboard so I defined some more
>> terminals that are easier to access.
>
> Actually, another way you can jump from terminal to terminal is using
> the left alt key plus the left or right arrow keys.  This will cycle you
> from 1 to 2 to 3 and so on.  I use that method all the time.  But I've
> never had more than four sessions going at any one time.  using the
> arrow keys to get from console 2 clear up to console 23 would be an
> awful lot of right arrow presses:).
>
> - --
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> The best solutions for the best price!
> http://ld.net/?holmesgrown
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Re: Back again

[Dan Murphy]

Ok thanks.  I have only one other console that I use with root, but thanks
for the name of the file that controls that.  See, either I forgot or that
may have changed, but more likely I forgot.


Dan Murphy mailto:mweeby@verizon.net
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Skype: mweeby
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charles Hallenbeck" <chuckh@hhs48.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 6:13 AM
Subject: Re: Back again


One more tip, while we are tipping: If you want to log into any of those
consoles as root, you must make sure it has en entry in /etc/securetty
(check spelling).

Chuck


On Wed, 18 May 2005, Steve Holmes wrote:

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> On Wed, May 18, 2005 at 06:57:04PM -0400, Dan Murphy wrote:
>> thanks Ralph.
>> I made those changes in inittab and they worked fine.
>> I didn't like having to cross the keyboard so I defined some more
>> terminals that are easier to access.
>
> Actually, another way you can jump from terminal to terminal is using
> the left alt key plus the left or right arrow keys.  This will cycle you
> from 1 to 2 to 3 and so on.  I use that method all the time.  But I've
> never had more than four sessions going at any one time.  using the
> arrow keys to get from console 2 clear up to console 23 would be an
> awful lot of right arrow presses:).
>
> - --
> HolmesGrown Solutions
> The best solutions for the best price!
> http://ld.net/?holmesgrown
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Re: Back again

[Dan Murphy]

thanks Steve.  I thought I recalled a way to do that.


Dan Murphy mailto:mweeby@verizon.net
AIM screen name: mweeby2000
Skype: mweeby
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Holmes" <steve@holmesgrown.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 2:31 AM
Subject: Re: Back again


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On Wed, May 18, 2005 at 06:57:04PM -0400, Dan Murphy wrote:
> thanks Ralph.
> I made those changes in inittab and they worked fine.
> I didn't like having to cross the keyboard so I defined some more
> terminals that are easier to access.

Actually, another way you can jump from terminal to terminal is using
the left alt key plus the left or right arrow keys.  This will cycle you
from 1 to 2 to 3 and so on.  I use that method all the time.  But I've
never had more than four sessions going at any one time.  using the
arrow keys to get from console 2 clear up to console 23 would be an
awful lot of right arrow presses:).

- -- 
HolmesGrown Solutions
The best solutions for the best price!
http://ld.net/?holmesgrown
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back again

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Disc replacement went smoothly, a complete reinstall and reconfiguration 
took about a day. I installed Debian Sarge from Shane's disc, replaced 
the kernel with his 2.6.12 package, upgraded from stable to testing and 
then to unstable, and finally installed all the applications I needed. 
Only Jabber and Icecast left to do, and those can wait, those are 
"frosting."

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But you can still get downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh

Re: back again

[Kirk Reiser]

Woohoo! Welcome home.

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e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
phone: (519) 661-3061

Re: back again

[Dan Murphy]

Glad to hear your reinstall went well.  I just installed Debian Sarge here
from Shane's netinstall with the 2.6.8 kernel and the install went ok but
I'm still troubling over trying to get the host name correct.  Also having
a look at Mutt to see if I can figure out a way to make it display less
header info.
I also replace grub with lilo because I like it better.
I think this timeeither the download went better or the burn was better
but I still have lots of questions.
One question, after getting the base system configured, is there a way
while in the package selection section to find out what's in each of the
categories?
I tried going into manual package selection, but the package names are
largely meaningless.
What part of documentation should I be looking at for this info?
Thanks.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charles Hallenbeck" <chuckh@hhs48.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 4:11 PM
Subject: back again


> Disc replacement went smoothly, a complete reinstall and reconfiguration
<snip>

Re: back again

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Hi Dan,

The prompt for host name contains a default suggestion, which you could 
accept just by pressing enter there. It is sort of like the old 
Slackware "darkstar". The domain name is a separate question.

As for finding out what's in a package set, I really don't know how one 
would do that. The manual choice is certainly not the way. That's for 
folks who are already familiar with packages. I have always just picked 
"desktop" and then later have added stuff one by one as needed. It is so 
easy to add or remove packages that the desktop selection turns out to 
be just a general purpose "starter set" for the average user. I have 
found two sources really helpful which you can install with the apt-get 
command. They will put detailed documentation in your /usr/share/doc 
directory, where you can browse them with lynx or elinks, whichever you 
prefer. Do this:

apt-get install debian-reference-en
and
apt-get install rutebook

or you could get them both at once:

apt-get install debian-reference-en rutebook

The first of these has a man page, but the other only ends up in 
/usr/share/doc.

Those two should get you some mileage.

Chuck


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Re: back again

[Dan Murphy]

thanks Chuck.  I just discovered that apparently the 2.6.8 kernel or some
part of it has a bug in speakup where if you try to use the mark and
unmark feature speakup goes totally dead and only by rebooting can I get
speech back.
I'll do the install again tomorrow, since I wasn't quite careful enough
with the partitioner and I want to make some changes there anyway.
Thanks for the info on those two packages.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charles Hallenbeck" <chuckh@hhs48.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: back again


> Hi Dan,
>
> The prompt for host name contains a default suggestion, which you could
> accept just by pressing enter there. It is sort of like the old
> Slackware "darkstar". The domain name is a separate question.
>
> As for finding out what's in a package set, I really don't know how one
> would do that. The manual choice is certainly not the way. That's for
> folks who are already familiar with packages. I have always just picked
> "desktop" and then later have added stuff one by one as needed. It is so
> easy to add or remove packages that the desktop selection turns out to
> be just a general purpose "starter set" for the average user. I have
> found two sources really helpful which you can install with the apt-get
> command. They will put detailed documentation in your /usr/share/doc
> directory, where you can browse them with lynx or elinks, whichever you
> prefer. Do this:
>
> apt-get install debian-reference-en
> and
> apt-get install rutebook
>
> or you could get them both at once:
>
> apt-get install debian-reference-en rutebook
>
> The first of these has a man page, but the other only ends up in
> /usr/share/doc.
>
> Those two should get you some mileage.
>
> Chuck
>
>
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> But you can still get downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh
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Re: back again

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Dan,

That is a well known bug that came about because Shane patched the 2.6.8 
kernel with a transitory version of speakup, which of course was fixed 
shortly after Shane did the patch. It's a killer.

What I did when reinstalling is to begin with the 2.6 kernel on the 
install CD, but as soon as possible upgrade to another precompiled 
kernel with speakup built in, an extremely simple installation done with 
a single command, "apt-get install <kernel-package-name>" There are 
several to choose from depending on your architecture. They are all 
2.6.12.5, I believe.

To do this, you first need to add this line to your 
/etc/apt/sources.list file (avoiding the mark-cut-paste feature):

deb http://people.debian.org/~shane/speakup/kernel ./

and then issue these commands as root:

apt-get update

apt-cache search speakup kernel

which will show you the available kernel packages with speakup built 
in, from which  you can make your choice. Next, do this:

apt-get install <kernel-package-you-chose>

and that's all there is to it. You might want to look at your lilo.conf 
to make sure it was modified correctly, but the install process will 
attempt to do that and will run lilo if you want it to. 

Once you have this new kernel installed, you are once again on safe 
ground.

Good luck.



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Re: back again

[Dan Murphy]

Thanks.  I'm goi8ng to do thanks.  I'm going to do a reinstall this
morning and I'll let you know how it goes.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charles Hallenbeck" <chuckh@hhs48.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 4:48 AM
Subject: Re: back again


> Dan,
>
> That is a well known bug that came about because Shane patched the 2.6.8
> kernel with a transitory version of speakup, which of course was fixed
> shortly after Shane did the patch. It's a killer.
>
> What I did when reinstalling is to begin with the 2.6 kernel on the
> install CD, but as soon as possible upgrade to another precompiled
> kernel with speakup built in, an extremely simple installation done with
> a single command, "apt-get install <kernel-package-name>" There are
> several to choose from depending on your architecture. They are all
> 2.6.12.5, I believe.
>
> To do this, you first need to add this line to your
> /etc/apt/sources.list file (avoiding the mark-cut-paste feature):
>
> deb http://people.debian.org/~shane/speakup/kernel ./
>
> and then issue these commands as root:
>
> apt-get update
>
> apt-cache search speakup kernel
>
> which will show you the available kernel packages with speakup built
> in, from which  you can make your choice. Next, do this:
>
> apt-get install <kernel-package-you-chose>
>
> and that's all there is to it. You might want to look at your lilo.conf
> to make sure it was modified correctly, but the install process will
> attempt to do that and will run lilo if you want it to.
>
> Once you have this new kernel installed, you are once again on safe
> ground.
>
> Good luck.
>
>
>
> -- 
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> But you can still get downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh
>
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Re: back again

[Dan Murphy]

Hi chuck.
Ok I went and did all that, but for some reason I had to edit lilo.conf
manually to get it pointing to the correct kernel image in /boot.
I also got the debian reference manual but when trying to get the rutebook
package, apt-get said it was "referenced by another package", so I'm not
sure what that's all about.
I think part of the lilo problem had to do ith the fact that when I did
the initial install I let it install grub, having forgotten that I could
say no to it since I had a perfectly good boot disk to use.
So far, so good, but I think it's time to do a little more reading.
I'm sure I'll be back with more questions.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charles Hallenbeck" <chuckh@hhs48.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 4:48 AM
Subject: Re: back again


> Dan,
>
> That is a well known bug that came about because Shane patched the 2.6.8
> kernel with a transitory version of speakup, which of course was fixed
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Re: back again

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Congratulations.

It might be that the rutebook package comes from a contrib source or a 
non-free source, rather than the standard debian archives. My 
sources.list file searches them as well, so I am not certain where the 
thing resides. Anyhow, the debian-reference will be a great start.

Chuck

-- 
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But you can still get downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh