RE: Servers and Tos

["Sina Bahram" <sbahram@nc.rr.com>]

Yes, but I've generally found it to be about 20kb/s slower than cable on
uploads. And around a few hundred kb/s slower than cable on downloads.

Take care,
Sina

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-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Gregory Nowak
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 1:06 PM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: Servers and Tos


That's what I was getting at, I think you and Alex summarized things
pretty well. On the other end of the spectrum, dsl is a direct and
dedicated connection between you and your ISP (well, your phone
company's dslam actually), and there is nobody else between you and your
ISP.

Greg


On Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 04:16:24AM +1100, Shaun Oliver wrote:
> at the risk of being helpful, Gregory Nowak delivered up the following

> on Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 11:02:18AM -0600,
> > > and, I totally agree, any ISP that gives you lightening fast 
> > > speeds, and doesn't think your going to run servers is totally 
> > > moronic, and to enforce that, is beyond moronic, and totally 
> > > unfair.
> > 
> > If you would have said that about dsl, I would totally agree with 
> > you. However, you need to keep in mind the differences between dsl 
> > and cable connections. Yes, they both give you fast speeds, but they

> > don't work the same way, just as a car and train can get you 
> > somewhere fast, but there are differences of course between how a 
> > car and train work.
> > 
> > So, when cable ISPs don't allow their users to run servers, I can 
> > totally see where the ISP is coming from.
> > 
> > Greg
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> Ok, with your cable provider, if I'm not mistaken, you're sharing that

> bandwidth with others on your subnet. wihch is more than likely those 
> in the same suburb as you with cable connection as well.
> the isp isn't going to give this bandwidth up freely because they
don't
> just pay for a monthly block. they're paying for every little bit of
> bandwidth you use up and if you're going to sit there with a home
> service and run wtf you like on it, you're a fool.
> you know the tos, you know the consequences of your actions.
> 
> think for starters about the people that have to share that bandwidth 
> with you. if you're always hogging it, your isp is well within their 
> rights to cut you off and take any action they deme appropriate as set

> forth in the tos.
> 
> think about what you're doing and if you want to run servers, be 
> prepared to pay for the bandwidth and I mean per megabyte not this 
> monthly block business.
> 
> 
> 
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