Accessible JAVA Development Tools

Accessible JAVA Development Tools

[Amanda Lee]

Now tasked with learning JAVA for my job.  It's really exciting! though
because I'm so interested in the development possibilities for Accessible
apps in Linux for persons who are blind or vision impaired.
okay, I'm really green! regarding JAVA.  I've heard noises about the JAVA
tools in use  as all GUI and not being accessible?  What works in Linux for
those of you JAVA developers out there?

If you'd prefer writing to me offline as this isn't a LInux-related topic,
maybe that would be the best thing to do.

I know I have one claim to unfame on here! and that's that I must start more
off topic discussions than anybody!  Sorry about that folks.  Guess it's
because I enjoy discussing and debating issues with you all.

Thanks in advance!

Amanda Lee
Alexandria, VA

Re: Accessible JAVA Development Tools

[Chris Peterson]

Amanda,

The jdk is all command line and should be accessible.  I think its at
http://java.sun.com/

Check it out and if you have any questions, e-mail me privately and I'll be
happy to help.

Btw, even the Windows version is command-line...

Chris



----- Original Message -----
From: "Amanda Lee" <amanda@shellworld.net>
To: "Speakup@Braille.Uwo.Ca" <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 5:17 PM
Subject: Accessible JAVA Development Tools


>
> Now tasked with learning JAVA for my job.  It's really exciting! though
> because I'm so interested in the development possibilities for Accessible
> apps in Linux for persons who are blind or vision impaired.
> okay, I'm really green! regarding JAVA.  I've heard noises about the JAVA
> tools in use  as all GUI and not being accessible?  What works in Linux
for
> those of you JAVA developers out there?
>
> If you'd prefer writing to me offline as this isn't a LInux-related topic,
> maybe that would be the best thing to do.
>
> I know I have one claim to unfame on here! and that's that I must start
more
> off topic discussions than anybody!  Sorry about that folks.  Guess it's
> because I enjoy discussing and debating issues with you all.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Amanda Lee
> Alexandria, VA
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>

Re: Accessible JAVA Development Tools

[Thomas Ward]

just get the Java 1.4 jdk from Sun Micro, and install it to Linux.
They have a rpm version, and a version for /general Linux distributions.
There is a Java ide plugin for Emacs which works with speech, and it will
interface with jdk.

----- Original Message -----
From: Amanda Lee <amanda@shellworld.net>
To: Speakup@Braille.Uwo.Ca <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 6:17 PM
Subject: Accessible JAVA Development Tools


>
> Now tasked with learning JAVA for my job.  It's really exciting! though
> because I'm so interested in the development possibilities for Accessible
> apps in Linux for persons who are blind or vision impaired.
> okay, I'm really green! regarding JAVA.  I've heard noises about the JAVA
> tools in use  as all GUI and not being accessible?  What works in Linux
for
> those of you JAVA developers out there?
>
> If you'd prefer writing to me offline as this isn't a LInux-related topic,
> maybe that would be the best thing to do.
>
> I know I have one claim to unfame on here! and that's that I must start
more
> off topic discussions than anybody!  Sorry about that folks.  Guess it's
> because I enjoy discussing and debating issues with you all.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Amanda Lee
> Alexandria, VA
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Accessible JAVA Development Tools

[Amanda Lee]

Thanks! guys!  Exciting although I'm an Assembler Language programmer and I
like being able to do it myself than to pick-up the pieces and build the
leggos mousetrap but it's what makes bucks these days so we have to go
forward.


Appreciate the suggestions.

Amanda


----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Ward" <tward@bright.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: Accessible JAVA Development Tools


> just get the Java 1.4 jdk from Sun Micro, and install it to Linux.
> They have a rpm version, and a version for /general Linux distributions.
> There is a Java ide plugin for Emacs which works with speech, and it will
> interface with jdk.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Amanda Lee <amanda@shellworld.net>
> To: Speakup@Braille.Uwo.Ca <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 6:17 PM
> Subject: Accessible JAVA Development Tools
>
>
> >
> > Now tasked with learning JAVA for my job.  It's really exciting! though
> > because I'm so interested in the development possibilities for
Accessible
> > apps in Linux for persons who are blind or vision impaired.
> > okay, I'm really green! regarding JAVA.  I've heard noises about the
JAVA
> > tools in use  as all GUI and not being accessible?  What works in Linux
> for
> > those of you JAVA developers out there?
> >
> > If you'd prefer writing to me offline as this isn't a LInux-related
topic,
> > maybe that would be the best thing to do.
> >
> > I know I have one claim to unfame on here! and that's that I must start
> more
> > off topic discussions than anybody!  Sorry about that folks.  Guess it's
> > because I enjoy discussing and debating issues with you all.
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
> >
> > Amanda Lee
> > Alexandria, VA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>

Re: Accessible JAVA Development Tools

[Amanda Lee]

Thanks Cris, I'll keep this in mind.  Will be looking for training courses
at work and I may already have a book or two from Oreilly Books.

I thought Sun would offer something but wasn't sure if they would have it
for Linux.


Thanks so much.

Amanda


----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Peterson" <capeterson@visi.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: Accessible JAVA Development Tools


> Amanda,
>
> The jdk is all command line and should be accessible.  I think its at
> http://java.sun.com/
>
> Check it out and if you have any questions, e-mail me privately and I'll
be
> happy to help.
>
> Btw, even the Windows version is command-line...
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Amanda Lee" <amanda@shellworld.net>
> To: "Speakup@Braille.Uwo.Ca" <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 5:17 PM
> Subject: Accessible JAVA Development Tools
>
>
> >
> > Now tasked with learning JAVA for my job.  It's really exciting! though
> > because I'm so interested in the development possibilities for
Accessible
> > apps in Linux for persons who are blind or vision impaired.
> > okay, I'm really green! regarding JAVA.  I've heard noises about the
JAVA
> > tools in use  as all GUI and not being accessible?  What works in Linux
> for
> > those of you JAVA developers out there?
> >
> > If you'd prefer writing to me offline as this isn't a LInux-related
topic,
> > maybe that would be the best thing to do.
> >
> > I know I have one claim to unfame on here! and that's that I must start
> more
> > off topic discussions than anybody!  Sorry about that folks.  Guess it's
> > because I enjoy discussing and debating issues with you all.
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
> >
> > Amanda Lee
> > Alexandria, VA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>

Re: Accessible JAVA Development Tools

[Janina Sajka]

Speaking of the Java tools at java.sun.com, has anyone managed to get 
Sun's rpms to work? All I got was a manifest error. Very strange. I'd not 
seen that error before.
 On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, Chris Peterson wrote:

> Amanda,
> 
> The jdk is all command line and should be accessible.  I think its at
> http://java.sun.com/
> 
> Check it out and if you have any questions, e-mail me privately and I'll be
> happy to help.
> 
> Btw, even the Windows version is command-line...
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Amanda Lee" <amanda@shellworld.net>
> To: "Speakup@Braille.Uwo.Ca" <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 5:17 PM
> Subject: Accessible JAVA Development Tools
> 
> 
> >
> > Now tasked with learning JAVA for my job.  It's really exciting! though
> > because I'm so interested in the development possibilities for Accessible
> > apps in Linux for persons who are blind or vision impaired.
> > okay, I'm really green! regarding JAVA.  I've heard noises about the JAVA
> > tools in use  as all GUI and not being accessible?  What works in Linux
> for
> > those of you JAVA developers out there?
> >
> > If you'd prefer writing to me offline as this isn't a LInux-related topic,
> > maybe that would be the best thing to do.
> >
> > I know I have one claim to unfame on here! and that's that I must start
> more
> > off topic discussions than anybody!  Sorry about that folks.  Guess it's
> > because I enjoy discussing and debating issues with you all.
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
> >
> > Amanda Lee
> > Alexandria, VA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Re: Accessible JAVA Development Tools

[Janina Sajka]

Herewith an announcement of some interest from Sun. Guess it's time to 
give their rpms a second try, this time in the 1.4 version of Java.

FreeTTS 1.1, a speech synthesizer written entirely in the Java(tm)
programming language, is now available.  FreeTTS 1.1 is available
from http://freetts.sourceforge.net/ and includes a number of
functional changes since 1.0:

o Testing with both the Release Candidate and Beta 3 versions of the
  Java(tm) 2 Platform, Standard Edition version 1.4 software (J2SE
  1.4).

o Incorporation of most of Flite 1.1 (thanks again, Alan Black and
  Kevin Lenzo, for your hard work!).  The only features we did not
  include were the fixed point operations and some work to reduce the
  footprint for very small platforms.

o A workaround for the audio crash on Linux.  There are still some
  issues, however, and we've been in close contact with the Java Sound
  developers.  We hope to see a fix for these issues somewhere in the
  J2SE 1.4.1 time frame.

o Better support for building and running on Windows platforms.  Note
  that this requires the Cygwin tools available from
  http://www.cygwin.com/.

NOTE: To be more in line with the JDK, we now use the JAVA_HOME
environment variable instead of JDK_HOME.  Please take note of this
change because it may come and bite you if you ignore it.

Alan and Kevin did a lot of work on the Flite 1.1 front end: it is now
much more clever in converting tokens to words.

The upgrade to 1.1 is also geared towards making FreeTTS more amenable
to voices created using the great work at FestVox (see http://festvox.org/).
I really want to encourage people to look at FestVox and help us work
on FestVox tools to generate voice data for FreeTTS.

For the Sun Microsystems Laboratories Speech Team,

Willie Walker, Manager and Principal Investigator
Paul Lamere, Staff Engineer
Philip Kwok, Member of Technical Staff

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Re: Accessible JAVA Development Tools

[Rich Caloggero]

> Btw, even the Windows version is command-line...
What you get from Sun is, but there is at least one Java IDE (integrated
development environment), written in Java (at least a lot of it was), which
worked well with Jaws. It used to be called Kawa IDE from this Japanese
company called something like tek-tools. I think the net objects fusion
people bought it (is that MacroMedia -- I forget now). Not sure of its
status now, but it really was pretty neat. One key to compile everything,
and you could just click on an error message with the Jaws cursor and be
taken right to the offending code. I'm really waiting for Gnome. Sure Linux
is great and the command line is very powerful, but man my hands could sure
use a rest. I've got just enough RSI so that lots of typing really gets to
me after a while. Kind of puts a damper on the amount of code I can write.
That sux, cuz I really like writing code!

                    Rich Caloggero

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Peterson" <capeterson@visi.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: 31 January, 2002 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: Accessible JAVA Development Tools


Amanda,

The jdk is all command line and should be accessible.  I think its at
http://java.sun.com/

Check it out and if you have any questions, e-mail me privately and I'll be
happy to help.

Btw, even the Windows version is command-line...

Chris



----- Original Message -----
From: "Amanda Lee" <amanda@shellworld.net>
To: "Speakup@Braille.Uwo.Ca" <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 5:17 PM
Subject: Accessible JAVA Development Tools


>
> Now tasked with learning JAVA for my job.  It's really exciting! though
> because I'm so interested in the development possibilities for Accessible
> apps in Linux for persons who are blind or vision impaired.
> okay, I'm really green! regarding JAVA.  I've heard noises about the JAVA
> tools in use  as all GUI and not being accessible?  What works in Linux
for
> those of you JAVA developers out there?
>
> If you'd prefer writing to me offline as this isn't a LInux-related topic,
> maybe that would be the best thing to do.
>
> I know I have one claim to unfame on here! and that's that I must start
more
> off topic discussions than anybody!  Sorry about that folks.  Guess it's
> because I enjoy discussing and debating issues with you all.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Amanda Lee
> Alexandria, VA
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>

Re: Accessible JAVA Development Tools

[Geoff Shang]

Hi:

It's worth noting that the freetts synthesiser is merely a java port of
festival/flite and it may often be more practical to run either of these
natively in linux rather than in a java vertual machine.

Geoff.

.bashrc

[Richard Wells]

How do I get my user account to see the .bashrc in the account's directory
and execute any changes such as different speakup parameters? If i type
"bash" after I log in the .bashrc file loads configuration but if I don't,
it seems to be ignored.

Thanks for help with this.


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Re: .bashrc

[Dave Hunt]

Hi,

You could put "source .bashrc" in your account's ".profile".  Better., I 
think, is to put those commands you want executed at login by the user in 
question directly into her/his ".profile".  A user's ".bashrc" is for 
shells launched after login, e. g. by "screen".

-Dave

Re: .bashrc

[Richard Wells]

So do I need to create a file in my user directory called .profile or profile to put the configurations I want into? There is still a lot I don't understand about this stuff yet.

Thanks

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Hunt" <wx1g@mediaone.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: .bashrc


Hi,

You could put "source .bashrc" in your account's ".profile".  Better., I 
think, is to put those commands you want executed at login by the user in 
question directly into her/his ".profile".  A user's ".bashrc" is for 
shells launched after login, e. g. by "screen".

-Dave



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Re: .bashrc

[Kirk Reiser]

Hi Richard: .bashrc is used on non-login shells.  For shells you wish
to login on meaning just about all you want to edit .bash_profile.

  Kirk

-- 

Kirk Reiser				The Computer Braille Facility
e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
phone: (519) 661-3061

Re: .bashrc

[Dave Hunt]

You can put a file in your user's home directory called ".profile".  If 
you used, for instance, the "adduser" script in Redhat, you get a stock 
".profile" in each user's directory, usually "/home/<username>".  The 
commands here are executed at login.  If you wish the commands to be run 
by all users at login, put them in "/etc/profile".  You should already 
have such a file.

-Dave

Re: .bashrc

[Janina Sajka]

Hi, Dave:

First, I'm assuming bash is your assigned shell. Is this correct? To find 
out for sure do:

	grep -i [your.username] /etc/passwd

If your shell prompt is a $ sign (dollar sign), you're pretty likely in 
bash by default. That's usually the case these days.

Now, there are a chain of files involved in getting your environment set 
up. There are system wide setup files in /etc, namely /etc/bashrc and 
/etc/profile. Also, you have files in your home directory which set up 
your shell environment. They're hidden files so you don't see them with a 
simple ls. Instead do:

	ls .bash*

You'll probably see:

.bash_logout
.bashrc
.bash_profile
.bash_history
[

Briefly, here's what these are for:

.bash_logout -- as you might guess, these are commands executed when you 
logout with a Ctrl-d (or some such);

.bashrc -- These are settings exectued whenever you login, meaning you in 
particular, and not some other username. These are executed whether you 
login locally on a console, or over the Internet perhaps using ssh;
 
.bash_profile -- These commands are executed only when you log in on a 
local console;

.bash_history -- This is a cache of commands you've given to the system. 
This is how bash knows what commands you gave the last time you logged in. 
These are what you see when you use the up and down arrows;

Lastly, let me say that bash has a lot of wonderful features to offer. 
Bash scripts, for example, are even more powerful and capable than the 
batch programming language in DOS. To learn about bash, look for the 
Bash Prompt HOWTO available at:

http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Bash-Prompt-HOWTO.html

 [
 On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, Richard Wells wrote:

> So do I need to create a file in my user directory called .profile or profile to put the configurations I want into? There is still a lot I don't understand about this stuff yet.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dave Hunt" <wx1g@mediaone.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 2:59 PM
> Subject: Re: .bashrc
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> You could put "source .bashrc" in your account's ".profile".  Better., I 
> think, is to put those commands you want executed at login by the user in 
> question directly into her/his ".profile".  A user's ".bashrc" is for 
> shells launched after login, e. g. by "screen".
> 
> -Dave
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
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				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Re: .bashrc

[Dave Hunt]

How concise and helpful!  Thanks!

My default shell is bash; I like it.  

-Dave
On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, Janina Sajka 
wrote:

> Now, there are a chain of files involved in getting your environment set 
> up. There are system wide setup files in /etc, namely /etc/bashrc and 
> /etc/profile. Also, you have files in your home directory which set up 
> your shell environment. They're hidden files so you don't see them with a 
> simple ls. Instead do:
> 
> 	ls .bash*
> 
> You'll probably see:
...

Re: .bashrc

[Richard Wells]

Hi janina! You and Kirk gave me the answers I needed. Thank you very much for your complete explanation of how these configurations are handled by bash. Most of my Linux/Unix to this point has been on the shell side on Solaris but never on the system administrator or root side. I am playing with Slackware now but I may be switching to Redhat soon. I got five C images from the Speakup site. My main concern now is to know which one does which job.

While we're on the subject of bash and such, how do you feel about csh and tcsh? Some have told me that they are more powerful than bash. I would be interested in hearing pro and con on this from this group.

Thanks


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Re: .bashrc

[Janina Sajka]

Hi, Richard:

To learn what Redhat image does what, look at the yet unlinked 
installation howto at:

	http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/redhat/HOWTO_INSTALL.html

The explanation of each of the 5 CDR images is in there.

As for csh and tcsh -- I haven't used them since the days of shell-based 
netcom. And, that's been a few years! <grin>

Point of fact, though, one can always jump back and forth as much as one 
wishes. Simply type bash or tcsh or zsh (for that matter) to change shells 
on the fly. You set your personal default in /etc/passwd
 On Sat, 2 Feb 
2002, Richard Wells wrote:

> Hi janina! You and Kirk gave me the answers I needed. Thank you very much for your complete explanation of how these configurations are handled by bash. Most of my Linux/Unix to this point has been on the shell side on Solaris but never on the system administrator or root side. I am playing with Slackware now but I may be switching to Redhat soon. I got five C images from the Speakup site. My main concern now is to know which one does which job.
> 
> While we're on the subject of bash and such, how do you feel about csh and tcsh? Some have told me that they are more powerful than bash. I would be interested in hearing pro and con on this from this group.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
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				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Pine Question

[Richard Wells]

While I'm asking stupid questions, could someone answer this one? When using Pine, there was some way I could turn off most of the verbosity in menu reading. It was an advanced menu mode. How could I accomplish this again? It's amazing how much of this stuff one loses if he doesn't use it. (GRIN)

Thanks!


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Re: Pine Question

[Dave Hunt]

Richard,

>From Pine's main screen, type "s", then "c".  Look for the feature 
"disable-key-menu", and hit "x" to turn the feature on.  When done 
configuring, hit "e" and snswer "y" to "commit changes".

-Dave

Re: .bashrc

[Shaun Oliver]

just a thought,
try creating a .bash_profile file
and adding the various speakup parameters in there.
or better yet, make it part of the boot process.
eg, try adding those speech lines to your /etc/rc.d/rc.local,
or if you run a distribution such as debian,
try creating a 2 or 3 line shell script in your /etc/init.d directory
called speakup and make it executable and then create a symlink to it in
/etc/rc2.d and call it something like S10speakup
hth
Shaun..
On Sat, 2 Feb 2002,
Richard Wells wrote:

> How do I get my user account to see the .bashrc in the account's directory
> and execute any changes such as different speakup parameters? If i type
> "bash" after I log in the .bashrc file loads configuration but if I don't,
> it seems to be ignored.
>
> Thanks for help with this.
>
>
> _________________________________________________________
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-- 
Shaun Oliver

Marriage is a three ring circus:
engagement ring, wedding ring, and suffering.
                -- Roger Price

Email: shauno@goanna.net.au
Icq: 76958435

Re: .bashrc

[Thomas Ward]

Hi, usually I put all my speakup settings in the rc.local file. that way it
gets setup on startup, and is the same across all user accounts.

----- Original Message -----
From: Shaun Oliver <shauno@goanna.net.au>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 4:33 AM
Subject: Re: .bashrc


> just a thought,
> try creating a .bash_profile file
> and adding the various speakup parameters in there.
> or better yet, make it part of the boot process.
> eg, try adding those speech lines to your /etc/rc.d/rc.local,
> or if you run a distribution such as debian,
> try creating a 2 or 3 line shell script in your /etc/init.d directory
> called speakup and make it executable and then create a symlink to it in
> /etc/rc2.d and call it something like S10speakup
> hth
> Shaun..
> On Sat, 2 Feb 2002,
> Richard Wells wrote:
>
> > How do I get my user account to see the .bashrc in the account's
directory
> > and execute any changes such as different speakup parameters? If i type
> > "bash" after I log in the .bashrc file loads configuration but if I
don't,
> > it seems to be ignored.
> >
> > Thanks for help with this.
> >
> >
> > _________________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> --
> Shaun Oliver
>
> Marriage is a three ring circus:
> engagement ring, wedding ring, and suffering.
>                 -- Roger Price
>
> Email: shauno@goanna.net.au
> Icq: 76958435
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: .bashrc

[Janina Sajka]

I like the solution some of us on this list came up with a few wekks ago 
better. I think this started with Chuck. Saqib added the cool command 
syntax at the end:

1.)	Create a /etc/speakup;
2.)	Create a subdirectory in /etc/speakup for each of the synths 
available to you on your computer. If that's only one synth, that's OK;

3.)	Launch linux with each of your synths, one at a time. Tweak your 
setteings as you want them by default. Then do:

	cp -a /proc/speakup/* /etc/speakup/[synthname]
	chmod -R 755 /etc/speakup/*

NOTE:	You may delete any files in /etc/speakup/[yoursynth] that weren't 
modified by you as you set your defaults, but no damage if you don't;

4.)	Now for the cool part. Create an alias in one of your login files. 
I put the following in my .bash_profile:

alias s="cp /etc/speakup/`cat /proc/speakup/synth`/* /proc/speakup"
s

The first of these two lines defines an alias I've called "s" but you can 
call it anything you like, obviously. I guess I'm into terse aliases for 
commands I might want to give often. The second line calls this alias so 
that My defaults are set after I login. Thereafter, to return to defaults, 
I simply type s and press enter.

This works like a charm for me. Your mileage may vary, of course.



 On Sun, 3 Feb 2002, Shaun Oliver wrote:

> just a thought,
> try creating a .bash_profile file
> and adding the various speakup parameters in there.
> or better yet, make it part of the boot process.
> eg, try adding those speech lines to your /etc/rc.d/rc.local,
> or if you run a distribution such as debian,
> try creating a 2 or 3 line shell script in your /etc/init.d directory
> called speakup and make it executable and then create a symlink to it in
> /etc/rc2.d and call it something like S10speakup
> hth
> Shaun..
> On Sat, 2 Feb 2002,
> Richard Wells wrote:
> 
> > How do I get my user account to see the .bashrc in the account's directory
> > and execute any changes such as different speakup parameters? If i type
> > "bash" after I log in the .bashrc file loads configuration but if I don't,
> > it seems to be ignored.
> >
> > Thanks for help with this.
> >
> >
> > _________________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> 

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Re: Accessible JAVA Development Tools

[randy turner]

hi,
i was just looking at this,
has anybody ran these tools with lynx?
thanks
randy

On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, Chris Peterson wrote:

> Amanda,
>
> The jdk is all command line and should be accessible.  I think its at
> http://java.sun.com/
>
> Check it out and if you have any questions, e-mail me privately and I'll be
> happy to help.
>
> Btw, even the Windows version is command-line...
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Amanda Lee" <amanda@shellworld.net>
> To: "Speakup@Braille.Uwo.Ca" <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 5:17 PM
> Subject: Accessible JAVA Development Tools
>
>
> >
> > Now tasked with learning JAVA for my job.  It's really exciting! though
> > because I'm so interested in the development possibilities for Accessible
> > apps in Linux for persons who are blind or vision impaired.
> > okay, I'm really green! regarding JAVA.  I've heard noises about the JAVA
> > tools in use  as all GUI and not being accessible?  What works in Linux
> for
> > those of you JAVA developers out there?
> >
> > If you'd prefer writing to me offline as this isn't a LInux-related topic,
> > maybe that would be the best thing to do.
> >
> > I know I have one claim to unfame on here! and that's that I must start
> more
> > off topic discussions than anybody!  Sorry about that folks.  Guess it's
> > because I enjoy discussing and debating issues with you all.
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
> >
> > Amanda Lee
> > Alexandria, VA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Accessible JAVA Development Tools

[randy turner]

hi,
will this work with speakup?


On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, Thomas Ward wrote:

> just get the Java 1.4 jdk from Sun Micro, and install it to Linux.
> They have a rpm version, and a version for /general Linux distributions.
> There is a Java ide plugin for Emacs which works with speech, and it will
> interface with jdk.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Amanda Lee <amanda@shellworld.net>
> To: Speakup@Braille.Uwo.Ca <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 6:17 PM
> Subject: Accessible JAVA Development Tools
>
>
> >
> > Now tasked with learning JAVA for my job.  It's really exciting! though
> > because I'm so interested in the development possibilities for Accessible
> > apps in Linux for persons who are blind or vision impaired.
> > okay, I'm really green! regarding JAVA.  I've heard noises about the JAVA
> > tools in use  as all GUI and not being accessible?  What works in Linux
> for
> > those of you JAVA developers out there?
> >
> > If you'd prefer writing to me offline as this isn't a LInux-related topic,
> > maybe that would be the best thing to do.
> >
> > I know I have one claim to unfame on here! and that's that I must start
> more
> > off topic discussions than anybody!  Sorry about that folks.  Guess it's
> > because I enjoy discussing and debating issues with you all.
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
> >
> > Amanda Lee
> > Alexandria, VA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Accessible JAVA Development Tools

[Thomas Ward]

The Java 1.4 Java SDK works fine with speakup.
It is commandline based.

----- Original Message -----
From: randy turner <rturner2@texasisp.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: Accessible JAVA Development Tools


>
>
> hi,
> will this work with speakup?
>
>
> On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, Thomas Ward wrote:
>
> > just get the Java 1.4 jdk from Sun Micro, and install it to Linux.
> > They have a rpm version, and a version for /general Linux distributions.
> > There is a Java ide plugin for Emacs which works with speech, and it
will
> > interface with jdk.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Amanda Lee <amanda@shellworld.net>
> > To: Speakup@Braille.Uwo.Ca <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 6:17 PM
> > Subject: Accessible JAVA Development Tools
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Now tasked with learning JAVA for my job.  It's really exciting!
though
> > > because I'm so interested in the development possibilities for
Accessible
> > > apps in Linux for persons who are blind or vision impaired.
> > > okay, I'm really green! regarding JAVA.  I've heard noises about the
JAVA
> > > tools in use  as all GUI and not being accessible?  What works in
Linux
> > for
> > > those of you JAVA developers out there?
> > >
> > > If you'd prefer writing to me offline as this isn't a LInux-related
topic,
> > > maybe that would be the best thing to do.
> > >
> > > I know I have one claim to unfame on here! and that's that I must
start
> > more
> > > off topic discussions than anybody!  Sorry about that folks.  Guess
it's
> > > because I enjoy discussing and debating issues with you all.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance!
> > >
> > > Amanda Lee
> > > Alexandria, VA
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Accessible JAVA Development Tools

[Janina Sajka]

I have attempted to install the Sun Java SDK and RTK for linux both from 
Sun's rpms and from source. In the case of the rpm files I twice 
downloaded from Sun, I got "read manifest error." In the case of the 
source, the documentation did not match the actual files I found after 
extracting. 

I hope to find out more about this during CSUN.
 On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, randy 
turner wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> hi,
> i was just looking at this,
> has anybody ran these tools with lynx?
> thanks
> randy
> 
> On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, Chris Peterson wrote:
> 
> > Amanda,
> >
> > The jdk is all command line and should be accessible.  I think its at
> > http://java.sun.com/
> >
> > Check it out and if you have any questions, e-mail me privately and I'll be
> > happy to help.
> >
> > Btw, even the Windows version is command-line...
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Amanda Lee" <amanda@shellworld.net>
> > To: "Speakup@Braille.Uwo.Ca" <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 5:17 PM
> > Subject: Accessible JAVA Development Tools
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Now tasked with learning JAVA for my job.  It's really exciting! though
> > > because I'm so interested in the development possibilities for Accessible
> > > apps in Linux for persons who are blind or vision impaired.
> > > okay, I'm really green! regarding JAVA.  I've heard noises about the JAVA
> > > tools in use  as all GUI and not being accessible?  What works in Linux
> > for
> > > those of you JAVA developers out there?
> > >
> > > If you'd prefer writing to me offline as this isn't a LInux-related topic,
> > > maybe that would be the best thing to do.
> > >
> > > I know I have one claim to unfame on here! and that's that I must start
> > more
> > > off topic discussions than anybody!  Sorry about that folks.  Guess it's
> > > because I enjoy discussing and debating issues with you all.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance!
> > >
> > > Amanda Lee
> > > Alexandria, VA
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Re: Accessible JAVA Development Tools

[Janina Sajka]

Thomas:

Please say more about what you downloaded and how you installed it. I 
swear, my experience wasn't so straight forward, and I'd like to get it 
working.
 On Sat, 2 Mar 2002, Thomas Ward wrote:

> The Java 1.4 Java SDK works fine with speakup.
> It is commandline based.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: randy turner <rturner2@texasisp.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 9:03 PM
> Subject: Re: Accessible JAVA Development Tools
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > hi,
> > will this work with speakup?
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, Thomas Ward wrote:
> >
> > > just get the Java 1.4 jdk from Sun Micro, and install it to Linux.
> > > They have a rpm version, and a version for /general Linux distributions.
> > > There is a Java ide plugin for Emacs which works with speech, and it
> will
> > > interface with jdk.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Amanda Lee <amanda@shellworld.net>
> > > To: Speakup@Braille.Uwo.Ca <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 6:17 PM
> > > Subject: Accessible JAVA Development Tools
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Now tasked with learning JAVA for my job.  It's really exciting!
> though
> > > > because I'm so interested in the development possibilities for
> Accessible
> > > > apps in Linux for persons who are blind or vision impaired.
> > > > okay, I'm really green! regarding JAVA.  I've heard noises about the
> JAVA
> > > > tools in use  as all GUI and not being accessible?  What works in
> Linux
> > > for
> > > > those of you JAVA developers out there?
> > > >
> > > > If you'd prefer writing to me offline as this isn't a LInux-related
> topic,
> > > > maybe that would be the best thing to do.
> > > >
> > > > I know I have one claim to unfame on here! and that's that I must
> start
> > > more
> > > > off topic discussions than anybody!  Sorry about that folks.  Guess
> it's
> > > > because I enjoy discussing and debating issues with you all.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance!
> > > >
> > > > Amanda Lee
> > > > Alexandria, VA
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Re: Accessible JAVA Development Tools

[randy turner]

hi,
does it work with lynx?
also what is the web site?
thanks in advance
randy


On Sat, 2 Mar 2002, Thomas Ward wrote:

> The Java 1.4 Java SDK works fine with speakup.
> It is commandline based.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: randy turner <rturner2@texasisp.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 9:03 PM
> Subject: Re: Accessible JAVA Development Tools
>
>
> >
> >
> > hi,
> > will this work with speakup?
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, Thomas Ward wrote:
> >
> > > just get the Java 1.4 jdk from Sun Micro, and install it to Linux.
> > > They have a rpm version, and a version for /general Linux distributions.
> > > There is a Java ide plugin for Emacs which works with speech, and it
> will
> > > interface with jdk.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Amanda Lee <amanda@shellworld.net>
> > > To: Speakup@Braille.Uwo.Ca <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 6:17 PM
> > > Subject: Accessible JAVA Development Tools
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Now tasked with learning JAVA for my job.  It's really exciting!
> though
> > > > because I'm so interested in the development possibilities for
> Accessible
> > > > apps in Linux for persons who are blind or vision impaired.
> > > > okay, I'm really green! regarding JAVA.  I've heard noises about the
> JAVA
> > > > tools in use  as all GUI and not being accessible?  What works in
> Linux
> > > for
> > > > those of you JAVA developers out there?
> > > >
> > > > If you'd prefer writing to me offline as this isn't a LInux-related
> topic,
> > > > maybe that would be the best thing to do.
> > > >
> > > > I know I have one claim to unfame on here! and that's that I must
> start
> > > more
> > > > off topic discussions than anybody!  Sorry about that folks.  Guess
> it's
> > > > because I enjoy discussing and debating issues with you all.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance!
> > > >
> > > > Amanda Lee
> > > > Alexandria, VA
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Accessible JAVA Development Tools

[Thomas Ward]

No. Why would it work with lynx? Are you confusing Netscape Java script with
the Java programming language, or are you refering to Java applets?


with
----- Original Message -----
From: randy turner <rturner2@texasisp.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: Accessible JAVA Development Tools


>
> hi,
> does it work with lynx?
> also what is the web site?
> thanks in advance
> randy
>
>
> On Sat, 2 Mar 2002, Thomas Ward wrote:
>
> > The Java 1.4 Java SDK works fine with speakup.
> > It is commandline based.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: randy turner <rturner2@texasisp.com>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 9:03 PM
> > Subject: Re: Accessible JAVA Development Tools
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > hi,
> > > will this work with speakup?
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, Thomas Ward wrote:
> > >
> > > > just get the Java 1.4 jdk from Sun Micro, and install it to Linux.
> > > > They have a rpm version, and a version for /general Linux
distributions.
> > > > There is a Java ide plugin for Emacs which works with speech, and it
> > will
> > > > interface with jdk.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Amanda Lee <amanda@shellworld.net>
> > > > To: Speakup@Braille.Uwo.Ca <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 6:17 PM
> > > > Subject: Accessible JAVA Development Tools
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Now tasked with learning JAVA for my job.  It's really exciting!
> > though
> > > > > because I'm so interested in the development possibilities for
> > Accessible
> > > > > apps in Linux for persons who are blind or vision impaired.
> > > > > okay, I'm really green! regarding JAVA.  I've heard noises about
the
> > JAVA
> > > > > tools in use  as all GUI and not being accessible?  What works in
> > Linux
> > > > for
> > > > > those of you JAVA developers out there?
> > > > >
> > > > > If you'd prefer writing to me offline as this isn't a
LInux-related
> > topic,
> > > > > maybe that would be the best thing to do.
> > > > >
> > > > > I know I have one claim to unfame on here! and that's that I must
> > start
> > > > more
> > > > > off topic discussions than anybody!  Sorry about that folks.
Guess
> > it's
> > > > > because I enjoy discussing and debating issues with you all.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks in advance!
> > > > >
> > > > > Amanda Lee
> > > > > Alexandria, VA
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Accessible JAVA Development Tools

[randy turner]

hi,
guess i was confused!
i was thinking that some form of java was accessable
with a browser that we could use.
thanks
randy

On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Thomas Ward wrote:

> No. Why would it work with lynx? Are you confusing Netscape Java script with
> the Java programming language, or are you refering to Java applets?
>
>
> with
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: randy turner <rturner2@texasisp.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 7:24 PM
> Subject: Re: Accessible JAVA Development Tools
>
>
> >
> > hi,
> > does it work with lynx?
> > also what is the web site?
> > thanks in advance
> > randy
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 2 Mar 2002, Thomas Ward wrote:
> >
> > > The Java 1.4 Java SDK works fine with speakup.
> > > It is commandline based.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: randy turner <rturner2@texasisp.com>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 9:03 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Accessible JAVA Development Tools
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > hi,
> > > > will this work with speakup?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, Thomas Ward wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > just get the Java 1.4 jdk from Sun Micro, and install it to Linux.
> > > > > They have a rpm version, and a version for /general Linux
> distributions.
> > > > > There is a Java ide plugin for Emacs which works with speech, and it
> > > will
> > > > > interface with jdk.
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Amanda Lee <amanda@shellworld.net>
> > > > > To: Speakup@Braille.Uwo.Ca <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 6:17 PM
> > > > > Subject: Accessible JAVA Development Tools
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now tasked with learning JAVA for my job.  It's really exciting!
> > > though
> > > > > > because I'm so interested in the development possibilities for
> > > Accessible
> > > > > > apps in Linux for persons who are blind or vision impaired.
> > > > > > okay, I'm really green! regarding JAVA.  I've heard noises about
> the
> > > JAVA
> > > > > > tools in use  as all GUI and not being accessible?  What works in
> > > Linux
> > > > > for
> > > > > > those of you JAVA developers out there?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you'd prefer writing to me offline as this isn't a
> LInux-related
> > > topic,
> > > > > > maybe that would be the best thing to do.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I know I have one claim to unfame on here! and that's that I must
> > > start
> > > > > more
> > > > > > off topic discussions than anybody!  Sorry about that folks.
> Guess
> > > it's
> > > > > > because I enjoy discussing and debating issues with you all.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks in advance!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Amanda Lee
> > > > > > Alexandria, VA
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> > >
> > >
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Accessible Java development tools

[jwantz]

Hi Everyboddy,
I'm sorry if someone has answered this already.  Personally  I don't like 
the jdk very much because of the difficulty of installation.  I use 
instead gcj the gnu java compiler.  It will compile in code native to the 
machine you are running on, or write java class bytecodes that 
theoretically anybody from any machine can execute.  This all runs fine 
and is perfectly accessible.

However, I'm not aware of any way to execute java applets in a web page 
that will make them accessible.  This is because as far as I know the only 
web browser under Linux that supports java is Netscrape.  That runs under 
X.
Also, GNU Java hasn't implemented the AWT toolkit yet.  Presumably that'll 
run under X as well.

     Jim